Question to China apologists: does the CPC have any real plan to deal with China's extreme inequality and 819+ billionaires?
I mean an actual plan with specific policies, not some vague "10 year plan" to eventually provide health insurance to some urban areas filled with privately-owned sweatshops and factories and trash scavengers and prostitutes roaming the streets.
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to develop it's productive forces for 10 more years
I take it you haven't heard of Risk Labor
When you phrase it that way, it makes it sound like a plan for moderate inequality would answer your question. China has already set their GINI coefficient on a downward trend and they have various programs that are addressing inequality and poverty. Other than directly addressing those issues, they also have various reforms and political drives that are bringing Marxism and party control back into prominence, which will likely lead to more hardline anti-inequality reforms in the future.
Considering these billionaires frequently get murdered, executed, and sent to prison, I'd say they're already dealing with them to an extent. They are certainly under the party's thumb. China does not have plans to get rid of them entirely, at least not publicly.
China's plans are not vague, and they consistently get results. The health insurance is going to be universal by 2020. You characterize China's cities like they're in total chaos and disarray, which is ridiculous.
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Besides current labor and past labor [the latter the Marxist term for the labor required to produce the means of production], there is a third type of labor, namely “risk labor.” Marxist theory should take account of this third type of labor, which is expended by those who take risks through entrepreneurship. [The obvious point was that “entrepreneurs,” i.e., capitalists, are a type of worker, and hence it is correct that they are allowed to join the Communist Party.]
Just so people know what this shitposter is memeing about, it's this article:
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Note that it mentions half the Chinese economists tried to shut the "risk labor" idiot up.
Makes me think
Anarchists, leftcoms, trots, titoists, MLs and maoists don't consider China socialist. Nobody considers China socialist.
China is almost still a Third World country with a GDP per capita lower than the Dominican Republic or Iraq. The fact that they have that many billionaires is sort of a miracle by itself.
Ishmail from /marx/, who is more well read than 95% of Zig Forums, considers China socialist.
You can read a fuckton of books and still be retarded
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Ismail is wrong about China being socialist, but he's not some Furr loving Stalinist. He criticizes Stalin more than most other Soviet leaders (except for Gorby for obvious reasons) and while he has said he believes Furr is a good guy, he does not agree with his conclusions.
everybody can be wrong
and people who think china is socialist are flat out wrong, and this shouldn't even be up for debate.
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Knowledge of theory do not automatically make you ubermensch who can't be wrong. Every socialist leader, no matter how revisionist he was, knew fuckton of theory. Hell, even prime minister of my country knows fuckton of marxist theory, have people in party whose knowledge of theory would make Ismail look like fucking ancap. Yet privatization and corruption is rampant. Even fucking pic related knows at least as much theory as Ismail, and look how russia looks like.
Knowing theory is crucial, sure. Everyone who calls himself a "communist" should spend at least a few hours a week reading something. But mere knowledge of theory won't make you right about everything, nor save you from revisionism.
I doubt it tbh
Do you sincerely think that joining KGB, not to mention the ideological training their new members had, didn't require you to know fuckton of marxist theory?
Chinese inequality is not extreme, it is on downward, most recent laws all benefit the lower class, worker's wealth is doing better in Chinese model than in some misguided, idealistic and radical attempt to conquer capitalism by shooting all capitalists.
Socialism is when you have a capitalist system that produces billionaires (together with extreme wealth inequality) and then execute some of them at random.
China to get universal health insurance before USA
USA! USA! NUMBER ONE! USA!
I thought the plan was by 2025 not 2020, are they running ahead of schedule?
Dengism is literally Kukuruzchev's fault.
Well, what is the DOTP? It is an organization by which the proletarian class oppresses the bourgeoisie. Objectively, there is a bourgeoisie in China, and it is far more oppressed than the bourgeoisie in pretty much any other country on Earth (other than Vietnam, or the small bourgeoisie of Cuba and the DPRK).
China doesn't claim they are in full-on socialism, they claim they are in the "primary stage of socialism." This is the source of ideological wiggle room for them. I think the CPV (Vietnam) disagrees somewhat, as they say they are is a socialism-oriented market economy, IE not socialism, though there could be some small qualitative differences between Vietnam and China.
The universal healthcare is definitely 2020, there are a bunch of other plans for 2025, I'm sure more improvements to healthcare are slated for then.
I'm sure you would agree that Nazi Germany was a DOTP because the NSDAP oppressed jewish capitalists? Jesus Christ. If China really is a DOTP then why doesn't it nationalize private companies? If it's okay for a DOTP to revert to state capitalism from socialism wouldn't it be okay for it to just become a normal capitalist country and keep that title?
No. KYS.
It's doing that though. And all private companies are required to have a CPC cell that orders them around.
implying they aren't just five guys have meet in the back room to have a chat over tea every week
I read all these books and I say that socialism is when you’re a bored, somewhat plain American woman and you get swept off your feet by a Spanish vampire pirate billionaire.
Anyone who used to post on revleft knows that Ismail is an autistic idiot. Reading books isn't the same thing as understanding them.