What did he mean by this?

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>it's best for everyone if you all listen to what I say
>because, after all, I'm the leader and I can't make mistakes, and that's what equality is all about
Tankies, ladies and genleman.

Well, Lenin later got upped by Stalin, so he (and the USSR) got exactly what they deserved.

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This is literally how pathetic your argument is.

If you're a productive agent, within a factory governed by a soviet - which is, ostensibly, a democratically elected body composed of actual laborers or their designated representatives, why would you forsake what is clearly a mutual association and aid structure solely by virtue of declaring that, because there is a requisitioning or directive body, the entirety of the system is didactic and authoritarian. I'm not even a ☭TANKIE☭, but there shouldn't be any sort of contention that there should be a semblance of order with regards to productive plans

Nevertheless jojo is now a smear on the shop floor because he couldn't be arsed listening to his foreman and keeping the lip till the fucking free wheeling democratic workers meeting where he could have even proposed replacing teh soviet leader or whatever

Earlier in the text, lenin says a good leader is like the conductor of an orchestra

Do you honestly not get this, or are you being deliberately obtuse?

My issue isn't with the idea of obeying an order from your boss, it's with the concept of unquestioning obedience to another person. It supposes that the other person is infallable, or at least more capable and worthy of thinking and opinion than everyone else. It's pathetic.

No, it's crystal clear. You're a bootlicker.

Yes been chosen by your fellow workers to lead them during work does imply this

I am not being mean here, have you ever worked in your life, there's no shame in being part of the reserve army of labor under capitalism, as it is an inevitable consequence how capitalism works, but you don't seem to understand how work works

That hoist being a hazard is something to bring up later at the meeting, but right now jojo needs to move and someone has to be the one keeping an eye out for this shit, and be listened to without question because there's no time to explain what's going on before jojo goes splat

Why do you want jojo to die?

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Not even Hitler said that lol

This is the extent of spook, after all, if the majority elects it, you can't disobey it, comrade.

LOL

LOL

So much for individualism mixed with collectivism.

you need to stop posting

No. It means you have been chosen by a majority of your fellow workers. This is like saying Donald Trump should be followed without hesitation because he was elected.

Individualism is when you vote for your leader, comrade.

And collectivism is when you follow the leader you vote for.

LOL

hitler literally said that
Lenin did not, you illiterate fuck
don't even try again, even my shitposting fucking with the trash thread are less retarded than this shit you just posted

Hope you get banned and go cry about it on Zig Forums and r/ChapoTrapHouse you massive liberal faggot jesus christ

if you need a place with fellow illiterate dumbfucks try Zig Forums, you'll fit right in

Lol look at all these cowards. They don't have the balls to talk shit about the ussr outside of these threads, then suddenly they come out like rats.

So the OP's quote is actually Hitler on Marxists.org?

At least Hitler killed himself and didn't got made into a mummy.

It's not about having balls, it's about not being banned lol.

What's there to argue?

Bourgeois = bad.

USSR = good.

That's what it always comes down to.

Even prostitution in USSR is probably good too, comrade.

lol you are gonna get banned soon don't worry. I know you won't, you will probably return to Zig Forums with your fellow liberals

Those were banned. It's liberal like you that these days argue in favour of it

Imagine thinking this is any way shape or form a good argument or even a good b8post

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See?

Yeah, because when you ban it, it will be stopped, correct?

It is a factory soviet, not a sinecure in the highest echelons of power. If you mean to critique Lenin here, do so in the vein of a poor use of hyperbole rather than some disingenuous attempt at projecting it onto the whole theory

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You should post Lenin mummy face, m8.

Because that's Lenin, 2017.

So if it's a democratically elected factory soviet, therefore you must unquestionably follow the leader.

LOL LOL LOL

The ussr gave a lot of rights to women and helped them achive a lot and be respectable. They didn't just ban it you fag

You're ignoring what I'm saying, so I'm just going to condescend back at you.

"Comrade representative told me that we were shifting production but I'd rather stick my thumb up my ass and accuse him of draconian inroads on my freedom" also stop reddit spacing you cunt

keep going, let's see how far you can push being retarded without ramming it up your own ass

keep going

This would almost be a fair comparison, if trump could be removed from presidency by a majority vote at any time

This sadly isn't the case however

Is there anyone who argues using the tyranny of the majority who isn't a reactionary?

Tbh that rule should also apply to party members and leaders. DemCen without that is how you get revisionism from would be state bouj.

Freedom of discussion, unity of action

Not true, left and right deviants get shut the fuck down

nice anticommunist propaganda
discussion was lively like nowhere else in the SU

seething

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The nazis had not come to prominence by the time this was written, tard. Going
every time the USSR is criticized is not an argument.

Hmmm, a deep question indeed

A simple answer to that question is that, when he was writing this, a massive counterrevolution was brewing. Indeed, the ability of the Soviet government to make quick, decisive decisions was one of the keys to their success against the White counterrevolution and subsequent invasion by foreign powers.

They shouldn't tbh. Instead of banning people for saying mean stuff about trans they should ban them for even slight insulting ex socialist states.
I'm saying this unironically, we need to glorify ex socialist state instead of talking about recent crypto libera bullshit

"but trannies tho amirite?"
"but niggers tho amirite?"
"but faggots tho amirite?"
"but mudslimes tho amirite?"
"i'm just saying these are issues needed to be adressed because tumblr and pol do it too lol"

just fuck off already you cancerous faggot

Lenin was referring to one-man management and Taylorism
encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/One-man Management

In the aftermath of the October Revolution, it was believed that the professional elite were unnecessary, that they would be superseded by workers' democracy. Over the course of the Civil War, however, it became apparent the desperate need for professionals and specialists. The great lack of material goods for the survival of civilization itself in the face of Civil War required the most severe labor discipline and the the most scientific of technical expertise to maximize productivity to minimize starvation and ensure victory over the counterrevolution. There's also the fact that Lenin held a fairly romantic view of revolutionary leadership, the notion of leadership being a central precept of Lenin's worldview.

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I'm not…???

Because you're at the job you've chosen to do and the soviet director has been voted in by the people and shit needs to get done?

That's not what he's saying. He was saying don't fuck about and not listen to the director at work. And people still didn't even do that, workers got away with murder in soviet union. Half of them were late everyday.

so you're in the 'soviet' and tasked with a job by someone whose been elected by a majority to lead you and basically the quote from OP says to do your fucking job and do it well

this is exactly right

the leader of the soviet isn't your boss, dumbass - you are projecting your distaste for your boss under capitalism into a hypothetical soviet where you'd have a leader dictating how the job should go - without organization projects don't get done.

the OP quote is not meant to mean "dont question your leadership", this should be obvious but lol reading comprehension

pic related faggot

Is this a bad translation by any chance? Not that I would be entirely surprised because Lenin tried a lot of things in the name of pragmatism and survival and while many were genius some were misguided, like Kronstadt :^)

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Nevermind I'm retarded I thought "Soviet leader" was referring to the country leader not your work supervisor. Intense phrasing then but nothing wrong with it as long as the soviets run democratically.

Most of the document talks about workplace organization, the original quote stresses "while at work". There is no ambiguity, Lenin talks about listening to your democratically elected supervisor at the workplace.

Funny how the IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING paragraph clears it up:
"Elect your supervisor and democratically decide how to organize labor during meetings, but when working make sure to follow the decisions you've made." Wow, such TYRANNY. Very AUTHORITARIAN.

Yeah I agree completely I spoke too soon and was correcting myself for a stupid mistake. If you actually think that listening to people who have been elected to manage the workplace is authoritarian you are hopeless tbqh.

That's not "unquestioned authority" you dumbass.

There's a difference between blind obedience and having your questions answered long before orders start coming out.

In order to work efficiently. That's pretty clear from the quote.

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