Did the Cossacks, Volga Germans, Kalmyks, Chechens, and Crimean Tatars deserve it...

Did the Cossacks, Volga Germans, Kalmyks, Chechens, and Crimean Tatars deserve it? What would you have done differently in Stalin's shoes?

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The forced relocations are probably the least justifiable thing Stalin did. It's on par with Revolutionary France's government deciding to not free her colonies.

The least justifiable thing Stalin did was stopping to conduct his government via the Politburo after WWII, and the Great Purge, letting Yezhov anywhere near him, and being naive about Germany not attacking and positioning the army in a front position.

The deportation of nations was justified. They were nationalistic Nazi collaborators and got compensated with land and resources.

Hey sorry for being uninformed about this, but did these relocations happen before, during, or after WW2?

Not a fun of stalin
Still the only one i can see as somewhat justifiable was the german op the other ones were plans of spooked minds

Same guy here, forgot my flag. There was only a relocation of Koreans in 1937. Other relocations were smaller on scale before 1941, after WWII ramped up most of the "famous" relocations happened. Here are tons of sources:
espressostalinist.com/the-real-stalin-series/deportation-of-nations/

a bunch of reactionary retards

Stalin did nothing wrong

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The (un)funny thing about st. Alin's relocation programs is this: it was the most human alternative to sending thousands to gulag. Remember the context of his time: total paranoia (partially caused by the power structure's objective functioning [see Arch J. Getty] and real counter-intelligence and sabotage…

Let's remember, while not fetishizing Stalin, that his reloxation programs didn't send millions ibto homelessness, or black labor.

sometimes I wonder what would have I done differently… hard…

dude, he's knuckle deep into her vagingo

Sure it wasn't great but they were simply deported from one set of housing to another. literally this

As a side note, the humane and civilized Germans and all the volunteer battalions that joined them in their "Crusade to the East"
would have calmly, smilingly been far 'kinder'. They wouldn't move most of them from their homes… just line them up in a row and execute them in a firing squad, as they did with the Jews and other minorities of the Western parts of the USSR. Stalin and his government were strict and sometimes quite authoritarian, however they were mostly fair, and their actions acceptable in the situation at hand. Judging them by modern standards is idpol, since hind-sight is 20/20 and it's easy for an armchair analyst to criticize the past with their analyses.

Why am i not surprised

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[n.b. apart from "don't target entire ethnicities, do nothing, just let them be"]

Relocations are sensitive topic in my family. Some elders did admit to counter-revolutionary shit like smuggling goods across borders. Most who survived are pretty spread out across the world at this point. Bittersweet are the pictures of uncles in red army uniforms. Though you gotta consider that this happened in one of the most critical moments of the war, in a critical area that could severely hamper the war. It was impossible at the time to spend months investigating everyone. Relocations in peace time however, are injustifiable.

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Germans deserved it after what horrible genocide and mass killings they had done. Being kicked out to move somewhere else with more Germans is the kindest thing anyone could of done. Especially when no doubt Poles and other people now living under the Soviets wouldn't even want to see a G*rman after millions and millions were sent to death camps. The disillusion of German identity would of been preferable since German identity is built upon Prussian militarism and law and a return to the localized German identity which isn't built on uniting all the German people under one flag is far better.

Much like reactionary Jews who support Zionism living in occupied territories can't just cry innocence and expect to live on imperialist land if world socialism happened. Of course they wouldn't be killed that's fucked up but returning the land to Palestinians is much better.

he could've avoided forced relocations, the great purge, retarded unsupportive occupation policy in east germany, making trotzky (who had actually built the red army) to an adversary of the ussr and more (such as supporting the zionists who were far-right imperialist anglo allies from the beginning) easily. in my opinion stalin was basically a good military and mediocre politician with a lot of bad advisers around him.

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God liberals are cringey

i like that you differ between reactionary and other jews but zhe germans all have one evil militarist genocidal *identity* in your mind. you're a bigot.

Nope.


Not be a revisionist dick, and fallow the theory more closely.

What does theory say about dealing with hundreds of thousands of nazi collaborators in your backyard?

Wow dude your one word and one sentence responses that smugly trivialize literal decades of history and material conditions sure BTFO the ☭TANKIE☭s and Leninists who actually put effort and nuance into answering OP's question forever anarchy in the uk bro xD

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Germans back then certainly did, German identity was simply Prussian militarism at it's core being that Prussia was the one that forced itself onto all the other German states and put itself at the head of the German states. It's no accident that Hitler left the Prussian aristocrats and military intact.

And no I'm not genocidal. Certain elements of cultures are reactionary. The great leap forward in China was 100% justified against feudal abuse of women and other such cultural practices. Population transfer isn't genocide.

go ask hegel, stirner, nietzsche, marx, engels, bebel, lassalle, thälmann, liebknecht, luxemburg, zetkin, brecht about the "german identity".
you belong to Zig Forums if you aren't from there anyway.

Of course some very good intellectuals came out of Germany but bourgeoisie class was dominated by Prussian identity and the states of Germany where Prussian and therefore militarized focused.

your moving the goalposts now, not all ethnic Germans in soviet territory were bourgeosie, in fact probably very few were

You're not doing any better by not explaining what exactly couldn't have been avoided or otherwise justified. So tell us?

Still not a justification, it's just a sweeping generalization from the people you're choosing to look at rather than everyone as unique individuals. You're as bad as the assholes who make unironic "nuke the americans xDDDD" posts. I implore you to reconsider your position.

Also cossacks weren't an ethnicity, they were a warrior/police caste that was comprised of many nationalities, primarily russians, ukrainians and caucasians. "Cossack nationality" and "cossack culture" were invented by modern tsarist larpers

reddit.com/r/ChapoTrapHouse/comments/9dj7da/it_be_like_that/

Check out the comment on the very bottom. Ismail is BTFOing some social fascist from CPH about the deportation of nations.

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The latter is untrue. The cossack culture is genuine, however it is also a culture of being a wild-man. one who battles with fire in his eyes, and who will die on a battlefield, whose sword and horse are as valuable to him as his wife.

Crimea Tatars literally sided with the Nazis to lynch jews, they 100% deserved to be moved away from the war front when Crimea was retaken.

A picture of Tatars in the SS for anyone doubting

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I'm sure you'd let it fallow indeed, you rad-lib ankid.

More Crimean Tartars served in the Red army than for the Germans tho. Also the SS had many ethnic divisions: including of Belarussians, Ukrainians, Azeri, Turkmen and others. Why target the Crimean tartars specifically?

Those are the Bosnian Handschar Division, not Crimean Tatars.

Because they weren't 'deported' and they weren't minorities as modern capitalist Russian politicians love to point out. The point is that they were not clean by a long shot, and had no reason to be treated like special cases by the soviet government.
As for the pic, yeah my mistake.

Transferred, fine. Makes fuckall difference
I would consider 20% of a given population within a region a minority, no?
We are assigning cleanliness ratings to ethnic groups now? Have we turned into Zig Forums ?
Well do you mean as in having their language recognised and that? Because that was the entire point of nativisation, one of Lenin's key tenants in how the USSR should be governed. Every group was treated specially. If you meant in how they were treated after the war, then you are right.

No, it has every difference, you mook. Criticizing the uSA for its Japanese concentration camps makes sense. The Mainland of the USA was practically un-touched in the war and the Japanese were literally put in camps.
The Crimean tatars on the other hand, had among others, had many members demonstrate reactionary tendencies in the past. The USSR spent a large portion of the 30s re-educating them because of their cultural heritage where women were below men and ethno-nationalistic disdain for rules and laws. The USSR had to forcibly destroy quite a few bandit gangs massing in the THOUSANDS made up of such people, resentful of the meddling hand of the government, (the Russian Empire never gave a damn and just used them as cannon fodder in the army). To avoid significant issues of subterfuge, this minority population was evacuated to the far East, given new housing and were otherwise given full rights.
African Americans are a 13% minority in the USA, yet in some cities and states make up a large portion of the population, does disqualify their minority status. not to mention that yes, 20% is still a minority by all accounts,it isn't even 1/4 of the population.
What I was trying to point out here, you obtuse mofo, is that they were no innocent lambs and had a historical and cultural basis for being suspect. Thus, rather than jailing them or killing them as the Germans would have, they moved them away to new places to avoid any issues.
No, that is not what I mean, and you know it, stop attempting the authority fallacy with Lenin.
Every group was not treated specially, they were treated as equals UNDER the soviet law, thus while they could keep cultural elements, those that went against soviet law (such as their oppressive view against women) would be punished.

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