EFF Thread / South Africa News

POLITICAL FREEDOM WITHOUT ECONOMIC FREEDOM IS FUTILE

Is anyone else keeping their eyes on Julius Malema and the Economic Freedom Fighters? For those unaware of brainwashed by right-wing propaganda, the EFF is a South African Marxist-Leninist party with inspiration from Fanon, Sankara and others. They are internationalist, anti-imperialist oriented, pro-feminist and anti-racist.

Policies:

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angolan_Civil_War
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozambican_Civil_War
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Civil_War
socialismtoday.org/47/zimbabwe.html
industriall-union.org/archive/imf/bhp-billiton-workers-down-tools-in-south-africa
ft.com/content/e7edea14-b293-11e8-99ca-68cf89602132
youtube.com/watch?v=85tYfXYmzJY
forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/11/21/south-africas-bad-decision-on-the-r-3500-minimum-wage-its-too-high/#12c8a152762f
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Extremely based, boers (kulaks) finna get dabbed on

If they hope to achieve any of this they need to establish national self sufficiency in a hot minute. Reliance on foreign capital will fuck them up really quickly and reliance on imports could hurt them if capitalists play with the value of the currency, which they inevitably will.

I like how people don't know that most of the Boers are poor and living in slums (who suffered from the British literally putting them into concentration camps) and the people that EFF hates are the few that profited from the post WW2 government literally seizing people's lands and Israel had Unit 731 tier shit down on Blacks ijn exchange for the nukes which is why they are worried about Israeli trained right-wingers killing them.

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So, in other words, we're not racist against whites, we just want to take control of everything they have built and give it to people who will most assuredly be incapable of maintaining it, like every other time this has happened in Africa.

"we don't want to kill whites, we just want to kill whiteness"

boy oh boy talk about dog whistles. no more boons to society.

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It's not that only whites can do it, since the Chinese are the ones most succesfully developing Africa right now, but it does seem, historically that native Africans are incapable of maintaining these systems when they kick the colonists/non-africans out. The movie Empire of Dust highlights it perfectly.

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THESE POOR SUBHUMANS NEED IMPERIALISM AND THEIR LAND NEEDS DEVELOPED BY FOREIGN CAPITALISTS BECAUSE THEY’RE INCAPABLE OF DOING ANYTHING AT ALL. MUH WHITE BURDEN

Historically, you're unironically correct. They don't "need" imperialism, but they certainly heve never been able to maintain the MoP and infrastructure the imperialists leave behind.

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The whole point of the project was to make these areas largely dysfunctional as an independent economy and entirely dependent on exporting goods to imperialist nations

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I don't remember that scene

We get it Zig Forums, memes are literally the only thing that influences your politics.

Look up Burkina Faso under Sankara and Ghana under Nkrumah, the only reason they didn't rapidly industrialize and develop material conditions was because the socialists were literally couped by western-created and backed mafias

Only mentally impaired losers who haven't accomplished anything in their lives and want to appropriate the achievements of others call themselves "white" and want to maintain the imaginary concept of "whiteness".

Your also forgetting Congo-DR and PR-Benin which were eventually also overthrown by western coup

There was Also Angola Mozambique Ethiopia etc which WOULD have developed if they were not subject to decades long wars against west backed terrorists

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angolan_Civil_War
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozambican_Civil_War
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Civil_War

we had that same shit argument almost 100 years ago and faggots still not tired of it

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Whiteness almost surely would refer to white supremacy, something which should be abolished in South Africa and everywhere on earth. Of course there is a fine line between combatting white supremacy and sinking into an idpol quagmire, but I don’t think the EFF is idpol’d in the Western sense judging by what I’ve heard from their own members and read on their website. Not that Zig Forumsyps do any research beyond memes

Kill and rape all whites, the blacks own all land on Earth despite being invaders. It's their melanin granted birthright. Now if whites were to do something like this in countries they've lived in for thousands of years that obviously would not be okay and be fascism, so don't get any ideas nazis.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

dutchoid detected

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dum ass they're different.

idk much abt south african politics but what i've heard from this dude is p cool.

Would granting back 10 percent of the lands value to the boer still count as "compensation"?

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Zig Forums is still going to call this deeply triggering and problematic, because god forbid sharing lands with blacks and helping distribute resources according to need is now literal genocide now.

He said some edgy-joke shit about whites in the past, but for the most part, he's an alright dude. He's making an effort, and that's what should count.

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socialismtoday.org/47/zimbabwe.html

Zig Forums is retarded but it's pretty obvious the EFF is just black spooks. Despite them starting from coal miners mad at foreign firms (Rin Tinto of the UK and BHP of Australia specifically) treating them like shit they instead focus on white farmers who literally did nothing wrong, since all of them supported the transition to the current democracy in the first place (as opposed to a civil war).

It's obvious EFF is not biting hands that can fight back, since they know if they fuck over white farmers they'll just quietly leave like they did in Zimbabwe. Of course one only has to look at what has happened in Zimbabwe, whose government no longer has any money and whose leader (Mugabe) was couped when he tried cutting military officers' salaries. Yet notice how all the foreign mines in Zim continue to operate, even as hospitals and schools shut down due to a lack of funding.

In practice, Marxism requires a solid game plan to go from oppression to socialism. EFF's vision is taking land from white farmers, giving it to friends of the government then ??? and maybe tax revenues will increase for more welfare (which isn't SA's leading problem right now, corruption is). Meanwhile all the whites leaving have a solid plan; they're going to cash their money into USDs or GBPs then rebuild their farms in Zambia like Rhodesians did. And guess what, Zambia is not only a net food exporter but also had a white President recently.

And this even assumes EFF manges to sieze the means of production and utilize it effectively, if this happens Israel can just start a civil war in SA and Israel has all the tools to either safely split up SA or reinstitute Apartheid. EFF has no plans for this because they think they can just fuck with Israel and not get their nuts ripped off, even though Israel is the most violent and aggressive imperialist power in the region and the only country capable of stopping them (China) has their own angle because they want to turn SA into a bankrupt colony like they did to Zimbabwe.

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And who made that decision? Robert Mugabe who took power in 1987, the same person who did it again with China and who completely led everything to ruin by creating a fascist state instead of a socialist one.

Though, SA is unlikely to fall into this trap because since Israel is involved an international peacekeeping force (ala the one which dealt with the Boxer Rebellion) would likely be assembled on their behalf, while Israel works with "stakeholders" (England, Australia, maybe Trump) to rebuild the country in their image. Which would be Apartheid 2 since Israel is an Apartheid state, who gets their nuclear weapons material from SA.

The resources that matter aren't owned by anyone in Africa, they're (half) owned by this bitch who resides in suburban Melbourne. Notice how EFF isn't touching her property, because if Australia were to convince the five eyes to impose sanctions SA's economy would go from recession to nonfunctional.

On this topic;

industriall-union.org/archive/imf/bhp-billiton-workers-down-tools-in-south-africa

The other half is owned by actual Brits in the swampland north of France. You'll notice that the EFF doesn't threaten them, at least not by name especially now that the exact same Brit who stood against Apartheid (Jeremy Corbyn) is being harassed by AIPAC&friends as an antisemite (and also doesn't have a working majority, at least not yet).

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Your stunning article is from 2010, the current state of BHP Billington is a bit different.

ft.com/content/e7edea14-b293-11e8-99ca-68cf89602132

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Wew lad, this is a hot take. Not to mention your autism about Israel, a country which isn’t even related to what we’re talking about

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As in literally robbing people?

THAT freedom?

lol nice spooks

Let's not obsessing over what you don't have then.

Not relevant

Is it bad to take from the few exploiters to benefit 95% of the population? I can’t think of a scenario when it wouldn’t be okay. I bet you’re one of those retards who if he were homeless and broke would rather starve to death than steal something to survive

Israel is connected to Right-Wingers in Africa. That's why EFF says that Israeli trained Right-wingers will shoot them.

Citation fucking needed. This is absolute bullshit and the closest I've found to anything like it is a single town with a significant homeless white population and pictures of campgrounds with RVs passed off as trailer parks.

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Absolutely based.

But this isn't true? They aren't just focusing on "white" landowners. They're aiming for the collectivization of South Africa's land and dominant economic sectors.
They even openly agitate against black capitalists and those that support the ongoing imperialist exploitation of South Africa. They've also affirmed that the white working class (while comparatively small) has a lot to gain by joining the struggle.

There's also a major difference between the ZAPU/ZANU-PF and the EFF. The former was predominantly an anti-imperialist movement born from the ranks of the peasantry and disenfranchised liberal opposition. The subsequent character of the Zimbabwean state ultimately reflected the liberal-nationalist nature of the Rhodesian conflict.
In comparison, the EFF is a solidly proletarian movement which originates from the post-1994 struggles of the South African working class.

Converting white average income into dollars gave me around $50,000 annually as an annual income. But of course, since its an average I suspect that this skews things quite a bit. In the US, the average household income in the US is around 70,000 whereas median income is around 50,000–median per capita income in 2016 comes in around $33,000 which sounds much closer to how the average American actually lives and what they make.

I think its safe to assume that given the lower average that probably means your average white South African worker is probably less well-off than your typical American. Given the dramatic rise in the rand's exchange-rate in 2017 I calculated white average income at $32,921. This has likely declined even further since then.

A median estimate for white males from 2016 estimates their income at about 260,000 rand a year and that translates into about $15,000 dollars. This is far from an extravagant standard of living.

So, what can we expect from this well if a median shows half of the people below it and half of the people above it, we would expect a fair number of people in pretty dire "extreme" poverty as bourgeois economists (typically best represented by the bottom 10-20%).
So, while I'm skeptical of the claim that "400,000" Boers are living in favela-style slums, is it possible a good sized minority of Boers are living hand-to-mouth? Absolutely. There's always a fair portion of the working class that lives at or under subsistence level in rich countries:
youtube.com/watch?v=85tYfXYmzJY

Obviously, certain things need to be accounted for, the average white in South Africa is doing fairly well by developed world working class standards but in practice it seems it maybe somewhat under typical Western working class income. The average black is living close to second-world status, on paper at least, but the presence of massive poverty and lack of a minimum wage law has meant that some blacks are doing well while others are literally living at Bangladeshi wage-levels.

That last part may change with the passage of a minimum wage law mandating that wages be at least 3500 rand a month ($250 in 2016; about $210 today)

And btw Porky is mad about that as usual:
forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/11/21/south-africas-bad-decision-on-the-r-3500-minimum-wage-its-too-high/#12c8a152762f

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I don't trust them. The founder is corrupt and used to buddy it up with Zuma.

Got any links on the corruption?