Encounters with SJWs

Lmao maybe it was performance art to hammer in what's wrong with "rainbow capitalism."

I'm gay as well and I got tired of Idpol gargabe and bourgeois leftism in the LGBT group I belonged to in college.
At first, this led me to youtube celebs like Ben Shapiro, Milo, etc. I agreed with their criticism but not their analysis. Plus, they were super cringy and not really enjoyable to watch.
Looking for more precise criticism, I started reading anarchist theory, including excerpts from Stirner, Exiting the Vampire Castle by Mark Fisher, etc (I even have a bookmark folder with anti-idpol articles).
Fast forward even more, now I'm really into socialist theory and philosophy in general.
I used to believe the whole 'everything is a spook' and that there shouldn't be genders or sexual identities, but my opinion on this has changed somewhat.
Yes, gender, sexual orientation, etc are generally useless social constructs that are specific to this time period. On the other hand, self identification and identities are much more nuanced than that.

Identities, for one, are an easy way to foster group cohesion, patriotism and nationalism being an easy example. When the identity is an oppressed minority (LGBT) it is easier to identify a common struggle between the group and band together for emancipation. It's also useful for other reasons of course, like finding people who like the same thing as you (namely, dick, in the case of gay groups). Because of how we work, we slowly start to build 'rules' and customs for the groups, and people start to become gatekeepers on who is, and isn't allowed to identify as a certain identity. (How much melanin percentage do you need to have to be considered african-american? If I don't like [media catered to gay group eg. rupal's dragrace], am I 'gay enough'?)

Identities have become a more important component of modern society, I believe, because people feel more pressured to assert themselves and differentiate themselves from others. More and more, our private lives have become public, we face more intense competition from our peers and we feel pressure to develop our personal brand (ffs, influencers are a BIG thing now and everyone wants to be one). Not only that, but our newfound #wokeness coupled with the promise that maybe you'll make it using the internet somehow, has made us uneasy having pointless jobs (most work is pointless) and having pointless lives in general. Identities is the easiest "I'm not living a pointless life" antidote, since you suddenly become a 'non-binary furrykin trans etc' non-ordinary person, someone who requires special treatment, a low-key celeb. But it doesn't have to be that, it can be the Gay identity, and you take head-on on the global struggle against homophobia (by retweeting gay influencers). This is worsened by the fact that capitalism has commodified identities and it has become profitable to market and advertise identities, which increases the intensity of the identification to the identity. Add to that all the non-profits which also advertise identities and assert their Otherness, in hopes that their advertising will stop oppression.

The pushback, of course, is all the ordinary people, the proles, the laymen, the plebs. What of them? They are the ordinary people that society has pushed to the boundaries to die a sorry death of irrelevance. It's no surprise that the reaction to this is falling to the same trap, identifying as white and taking head-on the global struggle against white irrelevance. Everyone wants to be special, but more than that, nobody wants to be irrelevant.

(cont)
All this plays well with socialist emancipation, since many identities face either real oppresion or imagined oppression in the form of victimization. Oppression Olympics (aka a bad bourgeois liberal reading of intersectionality) requires us, as moral and sympathetic humans, to hear the more oppressed among us and fight for their liberation. In their minds, their identities' struggle is akin to the civil rights movement. Surely you wouldn't think a communist revolution was more pressing at that time than segregation, right user? So why now?

This is where anti-idpol theory comes in. Some quick takes:
-Nobody cares that you're [identity] and if they do, they shouldn't, evidently. Preaching the choir won't do anything to help your [identity].
-We still have slavery, in the form of traditional slavery, serfdom, and wage slaves. Slavery is worse and more widespread than your identity.
-Bourgeois politics will only concede rights if it is convenient, if all identities are to be liberated, it can only be through radical action. Bourgeois politics only concedes rights to placate society, pretending we're """slowly doing progress"" so we're good.
-Uncorrupt unions that have class consciousness are virtually non-existent, this is important since this is the only way the 99.9% is able to influence bourgeois politics.
-Understanding oppression is important. Straight people (usually) don't understand what homophobia feels like and why it sucks, let alone something as subtle as heteronormativity. Not understanding oppression usually translates to indifference to oppression. Unfortunately, understanding oppression doesn't take us any closer to eliminating oppression, since we don't even have any power to begin with.

bullshit. asexuality is the last revolutionary thing left.

Good post comrade, but Opression Olympics aren't a bad bourgeois liberal reading of Intersectionality, Intersectionality itself is a bourgeois liberal construction, orginally for use in Critical Legal Theory, that's the intended reading of it. That's not to say that the conception of Intersectionality itself cannot be useful, but Marxists already have the realm of Social Reproduction theory for that, and many of the concepts explored in #woke Intersectional politics are absolutely cancerous shit like Standpoint Epistemiology & Privilege Theory, which are thoroughly Liberal in their conception and very easily abused by interlocutors in divide & conquer strategies, so at a certain point you have to wonder how much energy should be spent hijacking that narrative instead of just forging our own understanding of Identity Issues tied to Class Analysis. If you want to know a little bit more about Social Reproduction Theory, there is a good episode of RevLeftRadio entitled "Gender Abolition" or something like that, and for more about the Origins of Intersectionality and other such terms that exist in the popular consciousness, there is a series of Episodes by a Christcom Podcast called SectarianReview called Keywords (I think?) where a guy breaks down different terms. I mention these because they're very contemporary so they exist in a landscape beyond this backlash that has already started happening in the last couple of years against this stuff.

Not in the way that these people mean it, trust me.

am I missing something here/

(me)

Something else I wanted to mention, since you talk about Oppression a bit, are you familiar with a Theorist called Erik Olin Wright? He wrote a work called "Understanding Class" in which he talks about breaking down the distinctions between Exploitation, Oppression & a new third term he recatogorizes called Domination. Idk how valid all of it is but I do know that there is a lot of Conflation between Oppression & Exploitation like they're the same thing when there is actually a very big difference between the 2, especially when we're approaching things as Marxists, and I think a lot of the "discourse" about this stuff is really muddled and that people don't understand why or how these things are different.

Really good posts. Yeah and out of all of this I've been become more interested in Marxism. I could've gone down the alt-right path but that's just another twisting corridor in the vampire's castle. I'm not going to do what suggested and not go back – I'm going to stick with it for a bit. Ultimately if we don't show up and get stuff done, then the liberal idpol types will.

Drinking fruit juice used to be a health craze back in the day kinda like the various kinds of "superfood" are in the present.

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What kind of man drinks fruit is beyond me…

You’ve gone too far this time mods.

Can you beat them up? Like, physically? I think history has over 4000 years of recorded evidence that physical punishment works.

Im from Belgrade, Serbia. Here we have a tiny organization of about 20 people in total (splintered from a much larger group) and basically you would get beaten up for wasting valuable resources (such as time) on counter revolutionary/irrelevant causes.
Bringing socialism about requires strict discipline, and the less resources you have the less you can waste. If you volunteer to be a member, you also voluntarily accept the physical punishments so there is nothing unclear here. It is crucially important to be strictly disciplined, especially with time and especially in the start/before socialism can even be established.

Resources arent unlimited and you are in strict competition with the whole capitalist system so there is absolutely no time for this bullshit.
So far, my group (lets just call it that on the internet) requires:
50 hours a week of work (we run our own welding, construction and custom furniture business for financial purposes among other things)
"full workout" at least once a week (lifting, benching and cardio) and attending boxing+judo practice at least once a week
ability to assemble m70 zastava (local version of AK) even while blindfolded, proficiency at shooting it as well
and finally:

at least 20 hours a week of dedication to an activity deemed strategically relevant to bringing socialism (this one isnt clearly defined but here you are supposed to study mathematics, mechanical engineering, electrical/electronic engineering, computers, agricultural mechanization in particular, industrial engineering, we also want to study medicine but we simply cant at the moment, recruiting effort also goes here but we rarely travel abroad and current student and socialist groups are just fucking awful or completely useless for revolution)

We have problem finding suitable recruits even tho there are special programs if you are a student (of a relevant field only, basically reduced working hours), people who are physically disabled and women (women cant meet our welding/construction work standards) can also be members but have greater responsibilities elsewhere..
There is also a system of physical punishment in case you do not fulfill your duties which works extremely well at motivating us all.

So far, we piled up enough cash to buy a relatively large farm, but Serbian agri business is so fucking fucked, you wouldnt believe it, few large capitalists are in bed with the politicians and they get all grants and subventions, making agriculture not viable business for anyone else. We dont have money to pay taxes to run a factory, so our businesses are largely cash on hand, untaxed services we offer in Serbia and abroad (mostly Balkan region, furniture, construction, floors, roofs, electric and water installations if you bribed authorities for permits…).
We debate on what to do with this cash, we are storing it in gold and oil (extremely liquid commodities, easily convertable) just to protect ourselves from inflation but we have no clue what to do next. We do not believe in defeating capitalism from within, only from outside. So we form our own businesses, are our own security, dont bother with unions or parliamentary schemes/forming parties/governments, we would rather have capacity to secede and pursue autarky (resource independence) then work with the powers that be.

But before socialism is established, each and every one of us must carry the burdens of responsibility. Simply put, turns out not everyone even deserves socialism. In pre-scarcity economy, many lazy people will perish much before they can be saved. If you cant stand alone, if you are weak AND if there is a shortage, there is nothing that can be done about you dodging starvation in the worst case scenario. So you must prepare, pursue strength on your own before AND IF you can be liberated. Cant take socialism for granted.

you don't have time to do judo chops and uppercuts in war. in ground war you and your enemies have knives, automatic rifles, tanks and explosives.

see:
youtube.com/watch?v=4jCvDCb3Xdg
youtube.com/watch?v=IYLfhMROzd8
youtube.com/watch?v=Rgnn9Ocx5uc

and how many hours in your average day do you spend in a war? most of the time you walk around unarmed…
ive also just glanced the videos, didnt watch them all in full, but what sort of absolutely insane "army" doesnt even have a single howitzer?

small arms only idiots represent peak hobbyism/lifestyle bullshit, small arms are absolutely the least useful sort of arms in any military operation
these guys would be much better off studying how to make improvised explosives than training how to clear rooms

i already got the idea that you're not the brightest guy with your ideas on how to achieve what you call socialism
but that just convinced me that you have no idea about anything at all and are a either larping or a totally off the rail crazy man
first off, they are not just using small arms
secondly, a howitzer without infantry going in does jack shit to seize an area
this is just so wrong on so many levels, we'd get nowhere to really get into this, telling you how wrong you are and you wouldnt even care to know
also
you really need all of those things for a functioning military
what the hell guys

You cant just organize a military exercise with 20 people you know. Best you can do is have liquefied gas shells and a system that can throw them far away since they inflict 3rd degree burns on everything in a 100 cubic meter area.

I am saying that conventional military is nothing something that can be done with 20 people, but guys in the vids have far more than 20 people, they could have combat air patrols exercises and indigenous aircraft designs and production as youtube vids instead of a room clearing video, that is my point, if you can call yourself a republic you can also have something more impressive as your propaganda.

Ok, that sounds reasonable, pretty cool actually, I would-

what the christ

Funny that, DPR actually has more heavy armaments than most European countries. Tanks, artillery etc. Yet they still conduct small arms training. Because infantry is the queen of the battlefield as they say in Russian. Stache is right, you can have a thousand howitzers but you won't capture a single house without some blokes with AKs.

Well being Serbian, I want for you to explain to me how the fuck did we lose the NATO war in less than a year, when NATO infantry (peace keeping troops) got slaughtered in the first few weeks of the conflict, and after that a campaign of strategic bombardment (missile boats slinging missiles while jets maintained air superiority over the region) ended the regime.

Serbs with ease destroyed all the infantries involved in the 90s wars, and NATO took less than a year to end the entire conflict without even using ANY ground forces when they officially entered the conflict.

Im not big on military and neither is my group. 20 of us are not an army, we cant even form a division or a battalion, we dont even have machine or mortar gunners to form a 10 man squad. All I am saying is, if you call yourself a republic, if you have a million people or whatever the number is, your youtube propaganda should be air force, squadrons, not squad tactics.
I fully support Novorossiya or however new Russias call themselves btw, in my eyes that whole conflict is started by fucking NATO in order to put a military base on a Russian border, utterly disgusting and aggressive behavior, it justifies all sorts of terrorism against NATO.

Novorussia has a ton of videos with parades, showcasing their tanks, artillery etc. The footage in this thread is just an example of their infantry training, not everything they make should be some grand propaganda set to Hell March

youtu.be/mXEyozlctx8

serbia was not vietnam, syria, iraq, etc. there was no popular support for the war among serbs. you know the what happened to milosevic, it was serbs who voted for the pro-EU candidate and handed milosevic over to NATO's criminal tribune. serbia at the time had no revolutionary potential, they wanted to get over with the post-yugoslav separation and become more like the western countries, they didn't see it as defense of the homeland as the war went on like the vietnamese did.

You could hardly be any more wrong since Serbs did fight for 10 or so years, a whole decade AND WINNING, prior to the NATO officially entered the conflict. Small minority of civilian traitors wanted to end the war, but they had no influence while the war was being waged for almost a full decade, while Serbian paramilitaries overflowed with recruits, and while Serbia dominated in Kosovo, Montenegro, Bosnia, and while Serbia even had so much popular support that we wanted to invade Croatia, Slovenia and Albania too.

Few months of NATO air campaign and this all changed. Prior to NATO air campaign, Serbian ultra nationalist paramilitaries as well as Milosevics (nominally) socialist government were all for war, and we were also winning, why the fuck would there be no popular support for the territories that were rightfully ours, that WE spent rivers of blood to liberate from the fascist germans and ottomans, for the lands we spent 5 centuries dying to liberate nonstop???

As I said, small arms are near useless when designing military campaign, and NATO vs Serbia war demonstrates this perfectly. You can just bomb everything into submission.
Didnt Israel blow up entire Arab world with just their air force in 6 days war too? Modern conflicts are showing us that air force has primacy, modern navies are too like 90% aircraft as well.

Or am I being wrong here???

That really depends on why, when and where war is waged. America still had to invade Iraq with ground forces instead of bombing it into submission. Same with Russia vs. Georgia.

More to the point, we are talking about training for internal conflict, where just bombing everything into dust is probably not feasible