/uspg/ - US Politics General

Federal politicians? Every one deserves the wall. Maybe some city councilmen are ok.

what about staffers and interns

Hey maybe you aren't so bad after all

Some new Chairman Dore to start off the thread:
Chicago Hotel Workers Unite and Strike for Better Needs
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Also a couple of videos I found on the front page of YouTube that I feel are worth analyziing ITT

1950s-What the Baby Boomers Experienced
youtube.com/watch?v=jlZRHBGlBJY

Some Americans are Ignorant and Proud-"Should We Send Troops to Wakanda?"
youtube.com/watch?v=gUsnMObp9j0

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Non-burger here, when exactly did leftism die in America?

Coming from another non-burger, taking what I know, I'd say either right after the first red scare (1920-30s) or a little before the Vietnam War ended.

The early 20th Century (1930s-1950s) was when it got the worst of it due to the two red scares. it had one last final flash among the social uprisings in the 60s and 70s but was soon eclipsed by the petty bourgeoise liberalism (and then neoliberalism) of the majority of baby boomers and the remaining Cold War propaganda.

If I had to give a specific year probably 1972 when the last big anti-Vietnam protest was held. Ever since then the furthest America has ever gone to the Left with any success is milquetoast social democratic and "left liberal" movements like Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coalition, the Green Party, and the recent influx of "Democratic Socialists" all of which aren't even as far Left as moderate social democratic parties in Europe kek.

The closest the US ever came to having a truly socialist President was Henry Wallace, which is why the Democrats fucked him out of even being Vice President for another year. I guess it's debateable whether Wallace was a true socialist or not but his policies sure alligned with the SU in a lot of ways

Wallace himself was pretty much as far left as a Keynesian could get without being truly socialist, but his policies towards the USSR would have allowed them to develop their socialism in relative peace, and we'd all probably be living global communism if Wallace wasn't soft-coup'd, as even if his successors in this hypothetical timeline attempted a Cold War, the US wouldn't have had the advantage they did if the USSR could have developed on its own terms for just ten more years. We bitch a lot about Joe McCarthy of destroying what remained of the American socialist movement, and rightfully so, but Harry Truman deserves a lot of the blame for destroying the worldwide communist movement.They don't call it the Truman Doctrine for nothing.

Pic related, Washington DC post revolution. Lower level politicians probably aren’t as scummy though

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Why is this the only guy with clothes on

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I might get chewed out for this, but I would let the D.S.A. stay around as a minority opposition. Let them serve the same role the Social Democrats play in the DPRK's parliament.

The 1968 Democratic convention, if I had to put a date on it.

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This isn't such a bad idea imo. Purge all the feds there and you got a little demsoc/socdem coalition.

Fucking why live dude seriously

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Dude rip Wallace seriously. Even if he was just a left-keynesian who gives a shit. if he had been president the USA would have such a completely different fucking landscape today:
youtube.com/watch?v=CAKrIdSPkHI

I wouldn't spare any of the american elite, in or out of office. Every ivy league university would be burned to the ground. Every economics professor and their family would be executed without trial and without any sort of publicity. And before you whine about muh women and muh children remember that these people make careers out of justifying the wholesale slaughter of women and children. They have sowed and we will reap. A holy terror would engulf the country for decades as the rest of the world finally be free to develop socialism without American interference.

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That's supposed to be ben Shapiro's sister? How in the fuck?

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There exists no country that can match contemporary America in its either its soft or hard power. If America disappeared it would create a power vacuum that would be other lesser imperialist powers like western Europe and Japan which would at all times be at each others throats since that is what capitalist powers do when they are without a centralizing force like America.

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What are your thoughts on the upsurge in socdem politics? Is it worth aligning with them against the neolibs and MAGAtards, at least for now?

Tbh I’d allow any faction to exist as long as they swore allegiance to the constitution. If America went commie there wouldn’t be any country capable of threatening them, and so repressive measures wouldn’t be nearly as necessary as they were in Russia or elsewhere.

This. If America had honoured the pledges they had made to help the USSR after the war and respect their national security interests in Eastern Europe they might still be around today.

Of course. Anyone who thinks we’re in any position to not take advantage of this momentum, is fucking delusional. We’ve gotta use bit of entryism to get our foot in the door and rebuild a left.
Not to say we shouldn’t ruthlessly criticize them, publicly even, but we should vote them into power as much as we can, and show up at their rallies and whatnot.

The problem is that for many people "building the left" means supporting the Democratic Party. This is something that should never be done under any circumstances in the US. The goal should be to make Amerifats leftists or at least help to castrate the empire, not just "win elections." Unfortunately most Amerifat "leftists" are really just crypto dems. Pic extremely related.

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Honestly there should be reading requirements for joining a leftist party. If you don't know at least the basics of Marx's theory, then you are out. That ought to help separate the wheat from the chaff.

Eh. No one there was saying anything non leftist. Non Marxist yeah, but the fucking irony of a christcuck poster whining about that would be overwhelming.
I don’t like whiny little idealist anarchists very much either, I also trust them more than I do liberals, as I was an anarchist once, and I never, even when I bemoaned ‘tankies’, would have never imagined standing behind liberals and swine than my fellow leftists when the shit hits the fan.

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I seldom make threads, and when I do they aren't shit.

Christcom-poster, I can count on you to make the best argument against the Eternal Eagle most of the time. However, in this post, you are clearly letting righteous indignation get in your head a little too much. Reddit, as everyone here should know, is a different beast altogether. Shills and bourgeois drones control the discourse there so much in fact, that the site could be considered a Burgerstan within the internet. This is a low blow and I know you can do better.

Lol.
youtube.com/watch?v=SY_LG8JpCL8

socialist party in britain has this rule

At the current moment China still lags far behind the US in military might. Remember that the fact that the Americans were beaten by Vietnamese rice farmers and Afghan herdsmen doesn’t translate into a weakness in conventional conflicts.

Nah dude, the US military are all hot dog neck mercenaries and nerds with overpriced equipment who don't actually believe in anything. The PLA has an actual political philosophy, even if you disagree with their reading of Marx, Lenin, or Mao, it's more than anybody in the US has save for Evangelical psychos and Mormons. Not only that but the PLA has the numbers advantage. To quote Gar Bretcher "War is a people thing."

Oh right, I guess their political ideology will make up for having a smaller navy, smaller Air Force, smaller naval aviation, smaller nuclear arsenal, and being technologically inferior to the US in every way.

1.3 billion people is a great physical force in and of itself

Any war with the US would be fought in the air and at sea, and in this area the Americans have unquestionable superiority.

And big expensive equipment doesn't make up for having a force unwilling to fight. The Kuomintang can attest to that.

What makes you think the Americans are unwilling to fight? Also the KMT was hampered more by incompetence and corruption than anything.

Has the PLA ever committed a trillion dollars to anything that doesn't work like the F35?

It doesn’t matter. One botched project doesn’t make up for the fact that the US has more planes and more ships, and that they are or superior quality to what China has.

America's soft power needs to be diminished before the global left can even think about the possibility of a full scale war against them. Right now they control global finance and trade. They use tbat control to starve anti-imperialist movements before they can become large enough to effectively resist American military intervention.

China would not necessarily want to fight the U.S. conventionally at sea.

There are thousands of Chinese fishermen and fishing boats conscripted into a vast maritime militia training to launch rockets, shoulder-fired SAMs and so on. But mainly they use levels of force "below the level of war" such as water cannons and grappling hooks to swarm and harass larger ships. China is also building fleets of fishing boats with reinforced hulls to be used for ramming.

It's a people's war at sea, and the only other country that practices this is Vietnam. This has gotten basically zero attention outside of naval junkies, and the U.S. military is only now even starting to acknowledge its existence, because the American admirals are starting to realize this is a problem and they don't have a plan to deal with it. What does a U.S. Navy destroyer do – fire on fishing boats that are swarming and grappling your ship? Well, yes, but good luck explaining that in the court of international opinion.

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I'm a little skeptical of how viable a naval guerrilla war may be, but if there is any way for China to win then that would be it.

I mean, yes. You go as left as you can within the framework and conditions of the country you live in. The alternatives are either doing nothing (you lose by default) or some turbo-militant lunacy (go directly to jail; do not pass go; do not collect $200). If the socdems are considered right-wing by the standards of European countries, then that's just indicative of how far to the right Burgerland is. By Burgerland standards, the socdems are the far left. Them's the breaks, muchachos. But I think there is an opportunity for the left since Burgerland "won" the Cold War but set in motion its own decline – at least a relative decline to the rest of the world.

We inherited this gargantuan national-security state that is going to bankrupt us. I think we're almost echoing the USSR after the Great Patriotic War. The Soviet Union won, but its later decline and collapse (I'd argue) came about as a consequence of that victory. The Soviet leaders were terribly paranoid of losing their buffer states, and they had this enormous military complex which they felt they needed to ward off another Blitzkrieg and so on. Institutional rot crept in and the whole thing went kablooey. Burgerland institutions are losing credibility. Infrastructure is cracking and falling apart and it's going to get worse. The life expectancy has actually *fallen* recently, although not by much. We've got a lot of problems and the Fed seems inclined to just inflate another debt-fueled speculative bubble to keep the economy afloat.

As far as strategy – well I dunno; I'm hardly Lenin here. My thinking is you have socdem/demsoc hybrid groups that are loud and bent on raising hell politically. Don't put your faith in electoralism but getting people elected is useful as a soapbox for advocating lefty positions (relative to the political spectrum here). Also some context: D*SA has around 50,000 members which is the most for such a group in decades, maybe since the 1930s, but it's still very small. To really amount to much it's going to need several *million* members.

There are also these left-wing gun clubs forming, but these are a sideshow mainly. I like those groups actually, but I believe they should be totally pacifist. You have these political groups raising hell and then you have this militant image lurking in the background that in actual practice is totally calm and chill. The moment you pull the trigger, you will destroy yourself tbh. Do not do that. But firearms in Burgerland society goes back to Western movies and so on, and have a deterrent effect. Like, "alright we've all got a piece, now let's talk." There's a reason the right goes "woah shit, okay let's de-escalate this" when lefties show up with guns – where the antifa teens don't have that effect.

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I don't mean to justify the arguments of neo-cons but, what you said, IN ADDITION to the massive military spending in the middle of the 20th century (which is of course completely justified, operation unthinkable was a very real thing).

This, pretty much this. Great post user.

she gave them a couple hundred bucks in a couple of years, she's not exactly goldman sachs
so basically unless she digs out an 8mm film of the encounter in question it's all fake
there are notes from her therapist about the incident, 6 years old, I doubt she planned all of this that much in advance

"strike for better needs"
Jimmy, flag related.

To all the people shilling critical support for the Democrat Cops of America ITT both Andrew Gillum and Ocasio-Cortez are both openly supporting and working with "establishment Dems" now:
youtube.com/watch?v=iaLpyJI0ltg&t=0s

There's no defending this shit. I'm not even against critically working with succdems in principle but this is indefensible. As Placone said in the video the corporate Dems are pulling the Succdems to the right rather than the other way around like they ALWAYS HAVE FUCKING DONE.

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idk where you get this idea that the US has the best quality war equipment. Brittain, India, Turkey has started to buy Russian/Chinese weaponry, discontiuning their previous policy.

BTW, are you the fag that posts
whenever an RT article comes up? If so, your tunnel vision starts making sense.

The Democratic Party is unsalvagable, and anyone who thinks otherwise will only end up being subsumed within the capitalist machine. I have no problem working with succdems until we can build up our strength, but if they even attempt to work with the Democrats, that’s it. No compromise with American political parties needs to be a requirement or else we will be subsumed by Capital like other reformist movements.

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As much as I loath the politicians most of them should just have everything taken from them, maybe go to prison, and be barred from holding any office or any position of authority for the rest of their lives. The problem with extreme bloodletting is the inquisitors with the guns and gavels get big heads, they become brokers of ideological legitimacy and a power filter. America is so rich with such an accumulation of military hardware which isn't going anywhere, and with oceans on both sides and an immense landmass, that they don't have to fear foreign invaders. As long as a socialist government seizes power and begins the process of dressing down the whole power apparatus, I think excessive revolutionary terror is just going to accrue power to the people administrating it and create fear in the population to even assert themselves righteously. They'll become cynical and feel as though the socialist state isn't by or for them.

They'll be sorely disappointed when an ostensibly friendly government comes to power and immediately freezes them out of decision making, without even the carefully stage managed "leadership" of Obama. Actual socialists should bide their time and refrain from premature splits until the time is right.

COMMON FUCKING STRATEGIC SENSE

Yes, of course the Democratic Party is unsalvageable, yes, of course the D.S.A. fags are pure tools of the establishment. Yes to all of this!

But communists need to learn to think strategically again.

As we have seen with lukewarm Bernie, – lukewarmer than the D.S.A., btw – the Democrap party will not tolerate anything that deviates from porky-feeding policies: they will blacklist you, they will purge your voter-base, they will dox, and literally kill you, if need be.

These common sense statements are not what communists should dwell upon. Our task is to understand these facts and work accordingly. The only positive thing that comes out of the sisyphus struggle of our yet-to-be-comrades (yes, socdems, in the US political environment) is their failure.

Only through their failure will they learn, which begs the following questions:
(1) Where are the communist organizations that know in advance that they will fail in their naive struggle, and can address this failure?
(2) Where are the sponge-like parties (le anarcho-platforms, *sigh*) that will readily soak these motherfuckers up?!
(3) Where is our alt-media presence that foreshadows this failure and streamlines them into our orgs?! Where are our communist articles that – although sympathetic to these people's nativity – explain in detail the only solution (revolution)?

Comrade niggers, for fuck's sake, think in solutions, instead of mocking the obvious idiot.

Do indeed join – provisionally and temporarily – these idiotic orgs, and be the nay-sayer, the doom-sayer. While doing their jobs articulate your obvious criticism, your alternative; and when they fail, be the comrade who finally says: "I told you so", and – most importantly – be ready to siphon them off from D.S.A. to a communist organization.

You niggas need to learn from Lenin's pragmatism, ffs.

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Absolutely fucking dumb

naivety

I didn’t say US equipment was the best. I said it was by and large better than China’s stuff.

Britain produces most of their own shit, and India has been buying from the Russians for decades. There is also the fact that such a trend may be motivated by other considerations, such as cost or geopolitical alignment. It’s a sign of good faith for smaller countries to buy arms from their larger patrons rather than their patrons enemies.

Andrew Gillum isn't a D*SA member though. You're mistaken or are just making up ties between D*SA and random liberals.

AOC is fine.

I agree with this.

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No.
I'm okay with Bernie, and I think Allende is a swell guy so I don't really hate demsuccs or succdems, but she capitulated to the corp dems with far less sympathetic motives than Bernie's capitulation being one out of desperation to stop Trump.

I mean she probably will but she hasn't even taken office yet. Her winning a nomination = immediately capitulating according to some here.

2016 called and it wants its mememes back

Bernie is the only redeemable politician in Congress that I’m aware of unless there is some ineffectual house member that promotes better ideas but doesn’t do anything (probably soon to be AOC if she doesn’t just get subsumed into the Democratic Party to completely and strictly fight for M4A). He didn’t even think he had a shot at winning the presidency initially. Whatever he believes he does at least harbor beliefs, and beliefs to the left of all of his peers unlike the vast soupy ocean of bile and worms that sits everyday in the Senate chamber. But the guy is also old as shit, he has been in politics for decades. That has to rot your brain with all the pomp, “civility” and pretension of the upper class. I don’t see any reason to hate him is what I’m getting at.

Wew lad

He was backed by the Democrat Cops of America in his race
citylab.com/life/2018/08/tallahassee-mayor-andrew-gillum-could-become-floridas-next-governor/568876/

The thing is, I don't think anyone simply means the capitluation in and of itself is the problem. It's the fact that she didn't even try to wait until November to put a little bit of pressure on Cuomo to at least rhetorically move ot the Left himself, she just immediately capitulated the second Nixon lost the nomination

The reason why the succdem Dems doing shit like this, is that if they win any significant victories or a decent chunk of congress and then blow it by compromising over and over with the corporate Dems they'll make people think 'wow socialism really is a failure/the Left is the enemy" and so on. Which in a country that is already so far right and so classcucked as the USA would be disastrous. The entire purpose of doing a United Front type thing with critical support for succdems is so that they help shift the overton window to our side and thus create more tolerance among the general population for Left wing ideas. If the immediately start doing the same shit that Dems have always done not only will it not move the overton window Leftward it will actually help to discredit the larger Left wing movement in general since the average American thinks socialism is when the government does stuff (and thus if it fails to do anything good means socialism bad)

It's almost certain at this point that Democrat Cops of America dems are going to blow their shot in government exactly the same way that the Succdems did in Weimar Germany and probably a similar result will come out of it so be glad in 10 years when the USA is 3 times as fascist as it is now thanks to succdems fucking everything up you put all your time, energy, and money into supporting Democrat Cops of America candidates who openly don't give a fuck about actually doing anything they said they would do

are u doing it, tho?

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What party are you talking about?

We should have active participation in the Democrat Cops of America and vote for dems who ally themselves with the Bernard wing, at this current time.

According to that paper, some "members" supported him. I don't see any official endorsement from any chapters. Newspapers print a lot of shit that is misleading or false.

I was a lukewarm liberal Democrat a year and a half ago. Now I'm reading Lenin. Gimme some space comrade

I mean things are already pretty damn bleak right now. I live in a state with a bigger population than Australia and there is… as far as I've been able to discern… one D*SA candidate, and he's running to be a criminal court judge on a platform of reforming the cash bail system. THAT'S ALL WE'VE GOT.

Except succdems repeatedly and immediately caving 100 percent to neoliberals isn't going to get this done at all but good job strawmanning my argument. Remember how well this worked with Syriza?

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I am right though

What the fuck do you mean it won’t accomplish that? Even with the example of Greek, the KKE for example, actually gained more support and postitive public opinion with the capitulation of Social Democracy to neoliberalism
Are you trying to prove me right?

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Golden Dawn are way closer to gaining power than the KKE. Are you trying to prove ME right?

And the KKE would somehow be bigger if they just stayed in coffee shops and their moms basements and angrily memed at the right? Instead of attaching themselves to a party with an actual chance at giving them exposure and name recognition?

I wonder what year that picture was made.

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Nevermind, disregard my post. I thought it was implying Obama was going to get impeached.

Trump will fake a heart condition and not seek reelection.

Point where I said anything remotely proving that "not supporting the Democratic Party=not doing anything at all whatsoever".

Yes you get such name recognition when you support neoliberals who rape the economy yet again. Sure it's negative and almost certainly means you won't get as much support as you would have if you just went to the people directly but fuck it right?

tbh the main reason I like AOC is because she's good at playing the media and driving /poltards/ into a frenzy.

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And I hate to say it, but this place like the chans generally have a really negative and self-defeating attitude about … everything, really. The culture in these places is that of a crab bucket mentality, and doing nothing at all is preferred to doing anything constructive or positive. This doesn't even apply to political stuff. It's pervasive everywhere in these places.

Allowing social democrats to immediately capitulate to neoliberalism and thus further discredit the Left in the eyes of the working class opening a window for legitimate fascism to occur in the USA isn't "constructive or positive"

Buddy I've got some bad news for you.

You haven’t actually produced what your alternative idea of praxis is and why it would be more viable. Furthermore you keep misrepresenting what I’m saying too
When I clearly talked about supporting them but also being the group within the party that criticizes them and warns of their inadequacy.

I already said "actually going to the working class". If that's still to abstract the Democrat Cops of America themselves have produced a good example of how that might function in fixing poor people's broken tail lights so cops don't pull them over. Unfortunately they use whatever new recruits they gain from acts like that to funnel back into Dem support for these horrible candidates. Also raising awareness and gaining more support from unions and putting pressure on mainstream politicians through protests or whatever to talk about things like the prison strike that just happened, which literally nobody talked about at all and I'm not even sure if it's still happening because your awesome Democrat Cops of America and Democratic Party have said virtually NOTHING about it and if they did forgot about it pretty quickly. Also going and occupying space until the State and corporate forces are forced to display their true colors the way that the No DAPL people did, except do it repeatedly and try to keep it more sustained.

Also you know, groups like the Black Panthers and others have provided numerous examples of what you can do to build and movement and support for your party/org without supporting fucking do-nothing liberals over and over and over again. The SPUSA, the CPUSA, and the IWW organizing outside of the Democratic Party is what made the Dems go through their first phase of "progressivism" not by trying to reform the party from within (the CPUSA would later endorse Roosevelt but that's a moot point for reasons I can get into in a later post if you want). The same thing with Nixon's passage of certain progressive legislation in the 70s despite being a reactionary Republican.

Literally every instance of trying to reform the Democrats from within has led to the opposite happening yet many instances of building a mass movement from without the party almost always ends in the Democrats moving to the Left even if it's slightly.

I can't wait for you to move the goalposts again and say "Oh well maybe you explained ur praxis but here's why it's still wrong even though there's numerous historical examples of it working and yet more historical examples of my tactic failing"

I love this argument that we can't do any organizing outside of the Dems because there's a lot of working class white people who are racist or John Birchers or whatever.

It essentially says 1) The working class=the white working class nobody but racist white people are working class in America 2) Even if that's not implied that everyone else who makes up the working class are too retarded to understand basic Marxist philosophy or the Marx and Engels are too impenetrable to reinterpret in a modern vernacular (despite them writing many of their pamphlets in understandable language specifically so workers could read and understand them) 3) That the Democratic Party hasn't been the number one organ for discrediting the Left and shoving the country rightward for the last 30 years.

The Dems went hard right in the 80s and have been moving further in that direction ever since and if you think that you're ever going to unseat the leadership of the party you're the one with pie in the sky ideas not the people saying we should work outside of the Dems

I didn't say that.

Good argument

I can't remember where this theory came about but I liked it and thought I'd share. Trump is impeached, so is Pence. Ryan is out after the midterms. The House will be majority Dem. Thus appointing a Dem Speaker. Who is naturally next in line for the presidency. We will have a Democrat in office before Trumps first term is up.

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