Char count

For once in quite some time, the board IP count has decreased for reasons unrelated to my moderation (I haven't been on much lately). I suspect it's effortposters going back to school.
Since the post rate is slow, it should be easier for volunteers and myself to deal with a lowered character requirement, and I'm considering lowering it.
What do people think? Volunteers' opinions? Would you like the char requirement lower, and to what level?
I don't think I'll remove it completely.

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Even with 100 characters the quality here is garbage. You should up it to 500 and turn this place into Marx 2.0 and weed out all of the low-effort LARP cancer. Also, remove the Nazi flag

Well it seems to me that either chans are dying or it's just the time of the year.

No strong opinions either way, just nothing absurdly low please

Effortposters have to deal with university classes, what a surprise

Don't.

And add proper gold-on-red hammer&sickle for ML.

character requirement is retarded

This place just isn't nearly as good as it used to be and that's probably why people have lost interest. Quality of discussion is way down and I suspect it does have something to do with moderation. People getting tired of what they feel are undeserved bans for saying Russia is imperialist or something.

I don't really have an opinion on the character requirement.

character requirement should be about the posts character, not characters used to stretch it

I expect everything to pick up more if some really retarded shit happens in world affairs.
No, not really. I don't want the place to be too super serious and Marx 2.0 and have it higher, however. I like it where it is.

Probably just that time of year.

Yeah, I kind of agree somewhat. We're a target for shitposting so that's partially it.

This is just a partially related question for anyone reading this: do you think we should bumplock more threads or just straight up delete them?

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Keep the character limit. Allowing more low-effort posts isn't gonna fix things.

Honestly this sounds like a good idea, although a bit controversial. Any shitty Zig Forums bait thread can keep people hooked for 200+ posts even if it's bumplocked, since traffic is so slow. I'm in favor of deletions.

This just reminds me how unfrequently we have any collective decision making among volunteers. Think you could do this more frequently, BO?

Can't you just lock them? I sometimes just sift through those threads to find hilarious Zig Forumsyp takes, and if you lock them, the thread is still there but no one can respond so it seems the best option to me, compared to bumplocking or straight up deleting.

delete more

Please remove the Nazi flag and remove more obvious bait and Zig Forums threads.

The Nazi flag is only used for shitposting and trolling along by Zig Forums outsiders. If the Nazbol and Asser flags have been removed (likely for similar reasons), so should the Nazi flag. Their threads need deleted and bumplocked with more regularity too. We’ve all heard their tired arguments thousands of times by now and it’s honestly tiring. I’m not saying ban all of them on sight, just cleaning them up a bit

This sounds like a good compromise. I have never seen a thread lock implemented here.
Thoughts on locking shit threads instead of just anchoring?

I've seen it like once or twice here, always wondered why it wasn't used as much, imo it's the best compromise between anchoring or just deleting garbage threads.

I'd prefer this instead of outright deleting as well. Some of the pol bait is excellent meme material. Do not remove the Nazi flag, imo that will just lead to either the baiters flocking to another flag or posting flagless. With the flag at least we know which threads we should look out for. As for the char count, I'd say leave it the same or increase it a bit to about 150 to further discourage low effort posts.

epic

To be honest, I'm kind of conflicted because I kind of like seeing Zig Forumsyps flail around like retards, but yeah, that's probably the best option for threads that have already been "discussed" in. I suggest if we find a thread early with only like, say, one or two posts, it's deleted, but if it's already full of posts we just bumplock it. What do y'all think?

Also, I think it might be prudent to occasionally update the rules, just in case people get perplexed by their thread being deleted or banned because of unspoken rules. And this is just a suggestion, can we have a rule against explicitly porn threads? I don't care if people post porn in the trash thread, but it's kind of annoying to see people post furry or "commiecat rape" threads, even though there's technically no rules against it. I mean, we bumplock them anyways.

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I don't really see the point in the character requirement in the first place. The worst threads on Zig Forums are the shitty bait threads, and plenty of those have more than 100 characters in the OP.

Imo deleting obvious Zig Forums threads would be fine as long as it's transparent, just keep a public log. would work too but I really don't see the point. I guess there's this low-moderation ideal a lot of people here want to adhere too but I think it's pretty clear that a board like Zig Forums needs to be moderated more heavily than your average hobby board.

gentle reminder that effort posting which isn't always a wall of text, sometimes it can be as little as a laser focussed laconic phrase in greentext or an image macro in bait threads is pic related due to the material reality, that for every poster, there are orders of magnitude more lurkers who never post

Statements like that are as bad if not worse than the arguments of an outright fascist
And for this precise reason, moderation of both should be more lax
Communism is true, and the people want socialism
Every false claim by the liberals and fascists that is censored in an environment where for once the thumb of moderation is, for once, not in these false ideologies favor is also consequently censoring the unfolding dialectic within the general intellect of the truth of communism and the will to socialism
consider, if this notion seems difficult to digest, the difficulties wsws is having with google, and why this is the case

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What makes the best agitation and propaganda for the audience?
maybe even consider following this protocol, but if the OP is getting brutally btfo and curbstomped not even locking
the quality of a thread is determined by it's comments and especially the OC generated, OPs are almost incidental
It's a worksafe board so it's supposed to be spoilered

100 chars
500 chars
5000 chars

That seems a good option but as some people already said here bumplocking a thread most of the time is not enough to stop the shit-flinging and they might keep going back and forth at each other for hundreds of replies. This is why I believe locking the thread might be the best option.
So if Zig Forums bait has like one or two replies delete it but if it starts getting more and gets out hand, lock. Also unless you already do and he just keeps coming back with new IPs please permaban on sight that stupid "gib commiecat rape oc" guy please.

Also not sure how many will agree with me but can we bumplock extremely low effort sectarian posts the second they pop up?

I am perhaps speaking for the last time in my life.

The Zig Forums political situation as a whole is chiefly characterized by a historical crisis of the leadership of the volunteeriat.

The imageboard and the dictatorship of the volunteeriat have been led into an unknown blind alley by Body Odor and his retinue and are now living through a mortally dangerous crisis. With the help of deception and slander, with the help of unbelievable pressures and terror, Body Odor in the last two years has sifted out and removed from the leadership all the best, genuinely Bolshevik posters, has established in the trash thread and in the whole board his personal dictatorship, has broken with Leftypolism, has embarked on a path of the most ungovernable adventurism and wild personal arbitrariness.

Shame on all the faint-hearted, all the waverers and doubters, on all those who allowed themselves to be intimidated by Body Odor or who have succumbed to the outcries of his direct and indirect supporters! There is not the slightest hesitation among the mass of the workers and posters of Leftypol, Leftpol and other places.

We shall not submit to any ultimatums of groups of anons who are not backed by the people, and who in actual fact are backed only by the Marcyites, reddit, the twitter ☭TANKIE☭s, etc.

Down with hotpockets! Down with Body Odor!

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So far ITT it sounds like people don't really want the char count to change. What if it was 75 or 50? Sometimes even I'm trying to funpost and am forced to artificially extend my post length.

Imo there were a lot of very high quality discussions over the past few months. Quality is bad right now though.

I'm in favor of deleting more stuff personally. I don't like it when a shitposter is banned in one thread, but everyone keeps replying to him in other threads like he's still able to post.

You'd think it could go on in the mod sticky, but I guess stickying threads kind of kills them.

Those just make it easier to see who to ban.

Why is this even a problem?
What negative effects does this have?
Not rhetorical questions

On a personal level I appreciate that we have a board owner that feels some sense of fair treatment to banned shitposters, but if it's worth banning a poster for a reason, then isn't that reason also reason enough to allow them to be exposed to responses with no ability to reply?

I for one, agree with this comrade. There needs to be greater input from the community in general to actually push leftypol in a direction of action.

The problem is that dozens, if not hundreds of posters keep replying in a thread that is dying, even if they aren't bumping the post now, they stay there instead of replying to higher effort threads.

This would make sense if posting rates and attention on a board were an constant force that operates like hydraulic pressure into open outlets
Is this actually the case though
For example fast moving threads get highlighted on the 8ch front page bringing attention and posters that would otherwise not be here at all
**also if a thread you were enjoying and engaged with got nuked or locked while you were making an effort post and you hit reply only to find the thread gone or locked, would you be more likely to find another thread on the board to post in, or find something else to do entirely?

fwiw I gore these gangs sacred cows often and viciously without ever getting banned, deleted or anchored I'm not exactly sure what that says about the state of the board but I'm sure it says something

I'm in favor. Anyone else?
A good polemic every now and then is nice but the "haha lets talk about dumb anarkiddies" or "muh authoritarian stalinists" threads are counter-productive garbage.

I stopped straight up deleting all posts by a shitposter because it leaves a thread full of quotes which don't direct anywhere, but perhaps it'd be a good idea to pick that up again because a Zig Forums shitposter can keep multiple threads derailed long after his ban. And those posts keep racking in reports too.

As for collective decision making, you can keep it a spontaneous thing with threads like these when you need user input. The mod sticky does indeed go unnoticed somewhat.

absolutely, the number of threads that come and go where the sole purpose is to antagonize one or another tendency is telling of our present state

Imo only blatantly low-effort threads should be bumplocked or deleted also incel threads. Arguments with Zig Forums drifters make good agitation for lurkers and shouldn't be moderated, especially if the thread had already gained mass.

Dude, I banned him like 20 times in one hour. He's really dedicated.

Yeah, this was kind of what I was thinking a bit.

BO, when are you going to declare this a Marxist-Leninist only board?

We all know that's where you're heading. Just be done with it already.

I'd be fine with lowering the char count.
Let's keep the Nazi flag.
More thread locking, instead of just bumplocking shit threads.
I don't think there's an easy way to mass attach ban messages to a banned user's posts. Otherwise, a USER WAS BANNED FOR ANOTHER POST, message would be nice.
Should we stop banning people for imperialist apologia? I'm not familiar with geopolitics, but this apparently butthurt a lot of people. The over a dozen US military bases in Syria threads used to be popular.

Should we do something about posts that derail more serious threads? I've seen threads that start off well but get absolutely derailed on bullshit. Maybe a warning from mods to keep conversation relevant, and if shit continues, short one day ban. This would be to keep quality threads, like cybernetics, clean, while still allowing fun elsewhere. I guess OP would have to make it clear whether it is a serious thread in their first post.

Don't worry comrade, our entryism has paid off and permanent revolution has been enacted by the volunteers. However, 3 of my partners have already split off to further their own careers. There's also been some rape allegations going around.
Hold on for a bit and soon enough we will have ended this degenerated volunteer's board.

You can mock me all you want, but the BO is obviously trying to make this board unusable for anyone who isn't a Marxist-Leninist as evidenced by the childish word filters and the complete ban on ANY perspective on imperialism that isn't consistent with hardcore anti-revisionist Marxism-Leninism.

I got a 4 week ban for calling Maduro incompetent and another 4 week ban for calling Hezbollah reactionary. My posts had literally nothing to do with the US or imperialism, I was just criticizing foreign individuals/organizations.

This is not a fucking board that encourages different perspectives or tendencies.

We can improve the board by making the only thread /leftytrash/!

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The problem with this board is it's dissociation from real world. We are not new or relevant enough to go back up just by existing, the damge caused by the split and banmania will not un do itself. Most quality threads and effort posts are nice and all but they have no activist perspective, even the most ML threads feel like a leftcom hole since our discussions have no implications. We are too small for our debates to feel important in themselves, and our posters are not autistic enough like Zig Forumsyps (especially 8/pol/yps) to feel like we are relevant.

So when it comes to choosing between having an irrelevant braingrind and having fun with retarded righwingers people will choose the later. The board needs a new reputation and some more objective intentions. Instead of craving for high effort discussion threads maybe we should go for productive ones. Make people see the fruits of their activities even if all we can make is a shitty collective poster or video, make posting here not a time sink but an interesting activity. I remember the old commune thread, the R.wolff donations election time and recently the dow thread when it was fresh. All those things had some link to reality and that kept people interested and brought new users no matter how delusional or far-fetched the ideas were.

Being just a leftist mirror of an autistic board is not that funny anymore. At this point the board is just a dying old meme. Maybe we can reinvent ourselves if we try hard, but the way things are we are going downhill with no brakes.

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Sounds good to me, Volunteers should also feel free to make a thread to discuss with one another and posters if they feel there's some kind of issue or question regarding the board.

So you're suggesting more collective projects? Like videos or such? Even silly shit? I'm down.

Should we just use the moderation thread or create a whole new one?

New thread.

By this I mean make it now. For the whole postetariat to discuss the future of this board and determine whether BO is guilty of treason.

he's not, really

the eternal rebel you is, comrade

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Sounds rad. If there's something important to discuss I'll make a thread for it. With some restraint ofcourse.

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Silence. BOs lapdogs will speak when the postetariat have made their opinions known.

I already made a general thread for it here:
I doubt it'll get much activity but there it is.

Yeah, sure, okay.

In my experience, if you post as BO or Vol for project threads, it doesn't really improve the thread. Possibly for whatever reason, it actually reduces contributions. The really long-running threads like cybersocialism or the DPRK thread have just organically grown from user posts.

I just mean that if you have a meta topic to discuss, you could make a thread instead of posting in the sticky. Making it a general would probably make it dead like the sticky, but you could try it out.

damn, atleast the rogue vol claimed to have the other vols behind him
you're just a shitposting retard