Is Trump Engaged in Hegelian Dialectic?

Donald Trump has deliberately and knowingly nominated to the Supreme Court someone who has numerous suspicions regarding his sexual morality. The accusations range from boorish behavior to out right gang rape. In this process, a mantra, both of the Left (to what extent you admit the Sierra Club and brethren are Left) and the Right has been "Women are respectable".

Women are Respectable

We will hear this repeated. This is the thesis. We cannot challenge this belief. It's a truth.

However, problems emerge, one after another, which are juxtaposed "coincidentally" with the notion, such as the existence of quite partisan lawyers (who will not harm their career by potentially taking a shamefully disreputable client, so long as they tow the party line). The list is considerable, things which don't quite add up, or at least SEEM to not add up, SEEM to place the victim in a bad light.

And now Trump extends the deadline, for even more of this.

Women Are Respectable
Nobody can really corroborate

Women Are Respectable
She saved the charges for so late in the game

Women Are Respectable
She didn't apologize to the wife or the children

Women Are Respectable
Other accusers have suddenly appeared, with even more outlandish complaints, but not one has a police report

Women Are Respectable
Women senators tainted the questioning of the accused with tales of actual convicted persons having literally nothing to do with the case

Women Are Respectable
Throughout the process not one woman in the senate, or throughout the left, expressed irritation over how the wife and children of the accused have been abused by the willful actions of the left, in the "process"

And we can imagine that the next events might be:

!!! THESE ARE IMAGINARY, BUT POSSIBLE: !!!

Women Are Respectable
< The FBI found numerous inconsistencies with the victim's testimony and the factual situation in the town, socially, physically

Women Are Respectable
< The FBI found that the polygraph was not conducted in accord with protocol, at the insistence of the victim

Women Are Respectable
< The FBI found multiple elements of the accused's calendar checked out, and found many witnesses to attest to his character, including an 80 year old woman named Olivia

Women Are REspectable
< The FBI found that the victim had, numerous times, in the past, accused men of similar actions, including prominent individuals

!!! This concludes speculation/imaginary events !!!

If Trump is indeed in charge of the US government, who would be surprised if he used his CIA contacts to find out if it was actually the case that the victim lied or not? As I see it, Trump is utilizing the Hegelian Dialectic to shape mass consciousness away from a belief in women, presumably to assure victory in 2020.

But there could be consequences far beyond 2020.

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Anyone who just "believes women" for the sake of it is a simp. Both the Left and the Right (though far more the Right) has this very victorian belief that women are pure beings whose very existence is to ameliorate the suffering of mankind. Women are thus like a collective Christ and the real game played by women is trying to retain what like they from tradition (which p.rivileged young women in the sense that without young women you have no future society) while jettisoning what they don't like.

Victimhood is perhaps the last stand of collective femininity in the notion that there is a global sisterhood of sorts. The failure of feminism has meant that it has been left to MRAs to critique the natalist pro-family state and the inequalities of the sexual marketplace. The irony being that those who are calling for the reinstatement of patriarchy are the ones chipping away at the final edifice of patriarchy while it often happens that those who yell the loudest about destroying patriarchy are keen to retain what's left of its decaying structure.

There's no point in trying to deny there are many MRAs or "red pillers" who are racist but isn't it interesting how their critique of the carceral state and its sexual panics puts them at odds with a racist power structure? The Neo-Nazis fill the gap in this contradiction by advocating the deportation of all non-white men to make the contradiction between opposition to a racist state (that is ostensibly pro-female) and patriarchal norms more manageable.

On the opposite side, we see many feminists calling for more police, more prosecutions, longer jail-time, and even more draconian social exclusion and policing of convicted sex offenders. Who does this impact more than anyone? Poor and non-white men. Out of those groups of men that feminists claim to care for who pops up first? Non-white and poor men.

More than that, the Kavanaugh hearing (like the Clinton impeachment before it) is the institutionalization of a woman's god-given right to a slander a man's reputation and get away with it. If a person is not found guilty of a sexual assault by a court then the accusation amounts to slander. If we are not innocent until proven guilty and we do not have the means to prove our innocence then this means that any "victim" can destroy a person's reputation wantonly; another downside of that might be that when you hear Wolf being cried so frequently, real victims aren't listened to. Wewswews is right that this practice of social lynching is an infringement of our democratic rights–including those of women.

What do I mean by "lynching"? I mean without due process and without proper investigation many of these accusations amount to a type of lynching. Not one where people are hung from trees but one where people are destroyed socially. The literal lynching of black men is just an extreme example of where unsubstantiated accusations and vigilante mobs can lead.

I think thats a necessary rejoinder to the unspoken assumption that neglect of the safety of women is the worst choice we could make.

1818d chess my niggas

Or people is tired of the sexual accusation of every nominated right winger.

Julian Assange, Trump himself, Roy Moore, Cody Wilson…the list goes on.

This tactics is getting old.

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He was and is.

But they guilty and you know it.

Or, if you prefer, the Koch brothers & the fellows of their institutes.

But are any of them actually right-wing?

No, I don't.

I pity the modern politicians, when these bitches screech I will just repeat "Proof?" over and over again.

He seemed more anarchist to me. His position was that all governments are evil. Sounds anarchist.

That too

He's basically the hacker version of Gang weed

Trump has admitted to it. He's admitted he's walked in on underage girls changing during a beauty pageant he himself paid for. All these fucks are guilty of something.

He was not but even if he is, an anarchist is a liberal thus right winger.

Proof?

Trump rides the Lolita Express lol as for the others I don't know, major doubts about the Assange case

Proof?

Anarchist and communists and Christians and Muslims and many others are liberals, in the sense that they have this idea of truth to be given to all people.

Jews, Hindus, Lasch, all aboriginal peoples, and all ghetto peoples, have a conservative view, essentially "this our people, our place, our stuff, our rules, we have our own ways, you have your people, your places, your crap, and your ways".

Trump was buddies with literally every famous 80's personality. Some of them were secretly criminals.

(But it's a good Democrat operative play to make it sound like evidence of something).

So no proof?

Liberals are fascist.

I'm a different guy. this place needs id's

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ha ha ha the daily beast omg

the daily beast is the democrat infowars

What the fuck is this thread. Did some of the Qanon boomers randomly stumble on this board or something?

no war but the incel war

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So again, no proof.

Is strong evidence good enough for you?
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Really now? Trump saying he likes to grab pussy and posint with models (lol teenagers look like that?) are evidences of his sexual assault?

"I don't even wait"
Sexual assault bucko.

Uhm, that is no evidence, son.

Why don't any of these women just slap the man?

He’s not some Joe Shmoe, he was a billionaire TV star with a private security guard and connections to many powerful people.

I don’t know about you but that would make me hesitant to smack or accuse and I’m a guy.

Witness testimony is definitely evidence, dipshit.

Suggest a synthesis.

How about this:

Women Are Respectable
< Women Lie All The Time

Yes, but you are a homosexual. But regular men would of course quite quickly punch anyone who grabbed their dick.

Nah, it is not, that would be accusation without evidences.

Yet they have no problem doig so now lol

#listenandbelieve

Remember the thesis: Women Are Respectable

This means that their word carries weight. Women are automatically policemen, firefighters, clergy, beloved chefs, pillars of the community, just by having a v-j.

That's what I'm saying about Trump using the dialectic. Again and again we are to hear nothing new, no development of the concept of respect for women or anything else. Just the mantra that left and right agree to, women are respectable, women are respectable, but over and over we see exceptions to this.

Consider the women giving Flake crap, while he was trying to get out of the elevator. It makes for a good show for their own group members, but people see women acting in a way that's unpleasant. Women are respectable, he says, yet the women around him are acting shamefully, shouting, making demands, and literally preventing him from using the elevator. Women are respectful!

lol right wingers are tired of this fucking crap.

Maybe being a virgin is better after all.

Trump was Literally Buddies with Epstein and acted as a Character witness for Him AND was on Epsteins Planes flightlogs
Look it up im not going to spoonfeed you

MGTOW is growing like wildfire. Is it just due to fear over the witch hunt perception, or is it due to real risk?

That's just "guilt by association". By that reckoning socialism is a jew trick, since Marx was a jew.

So again, no proof.

Man, why can't the big top politicians just do this.

Well, as op I offered a suggestion as to precisely why this wouldn't be happening. But did you understand?

( a theory, that is )

Many incels would ally with the left if they were promised a piece of the sex pie
But instead theyre told to kill themselves by women

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MGTOW is rather different. MGTOW believe that women are fundamentally a disruptive/destructive quantity.

Like clockwork.

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This will feed the synthesis:
< Women Lie All The Time

When I was around incel forums many years ago, they didn't get invaded by right-wing shills and neo-Nazis totally yet, and quite a few were openly lefty. Now in their groupthink hives though anyone who shows even a hint of opposition to a narrow political line is hounded, and great effort has been put into making sure incels and the sexually desperate are funneled into right-wing groups and the accompanying shit ideology.

We're out there, it's just kind of futile at this point because the left has been so infected by sexpol that it destroys itself without putting up a significant fight. I've been saying for years that the left needs to drop sexual politics and especially needs to drop defending groups like Planned Parenthood which are explicitly eugenicist and will never renounce that position. If you can denounce sexpol loudly and clearly, you both remove opportunists and win some converts. Quite a few on the left actually have done this and stopped placating sexual idpol, but they get drowned out (probably deliberately by thought agents introduced by Porky to destabilize the left).

On the whole Kavanaugh thing, it all smacks me as the rulers telling the plebs "ha ha, we get to be rapey and fuck who we want, and you plebs can't", because everyone knows Kavanaugh is going to sail through. Since when has the ruling class or its functionaries cared about victims? Victims are to be scorned, that's one of the first rules that are taught in school and one that is ruthlessly enforced. Almost everyone knows what the game is and what to expect, even the women who are getting raped who just accept the system as inevitable as long as it isn't happening to them again.

As incel, what do you think of MGTOW? A lot of MGTOW are basically a grade of incel. Like, they won't date the fat women who would date them, and they won't date the cougars either.

Incels believe mtgow is incels sent their own way lol

They failed to get you laid, now it's up to people who post youtube videos about how bad it is that they have to compete with welfare.

In America, the only way to be an incel is to literally not have a basic job. Any American man can find at least a somewhat ugly woman to marry, internationally.

We're all calling Trump a nigger and saying his kayak daughter should get deported, and you cunts are 1488d chess maymaying.

Also, OP is best lulz. You made me IRL laugh.

In my limited experience women aren't really "available", there's a whole world that societal rejects like myself aren't allowed to enter where mating selection happens.

More to the point, who wants to be with a failed man who is probably an inch from offing himself, which describes most MGTOW? A lot of these forums attract weak people who can't hack in the world. I know I'm one of them, anyway. No woman will have them unless they're really desperate or have their own issues, and no woman should want them. It would be an absurdity and it never ends well.

Now I just don't give a shit. My heart is going bad, I have to spend a good 10 minutes to get my dick hard, and aside from being a human failure I'm not particularly attractive. More importantly than all of that, I just don't find the act particularly gratifying.

So basically most of the groups out there today are just right-wing or neo-Nazi fronts that suck in desperate men looking for answers. I don't even bother with the term "incel" any more. From what I'm gathering, most people are unhappy with their lot in life, whether they can't get laid at all or are stuck in miserable situations where they've resigned themselves to porn addiction or some other shit.

I haven't looked around incel land for quite some time outside of occasionally peeking into the hellhole that is reddit, so I don't know if there are distinctions from the popular image of le incel. I left around the time PUA types and ostensibly anti-PUA types were solidifying their hold on the narrative and the Nazis were really coming out of the woodwork.

These women can't afford a window unit air conditioner. They're flexible in terms of how cool their husband is.

I'm not sexing up the option. It's not appealing to imagine being married to someone who doesn't love you that much, but I don't believe it's easy to be legit incel and American. If you have some deformity, plus are unemployed, you are of low value to these women. But they just might do it for the green card.

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this is not incorrect

Oh, and, yeah, reddit sucks and must be abandoned by literally everyone. Eventually, everything that's not got a corporate sponsor will be on Tor only.

inceldom is sexual idpol

The extent to which society provides for the hopes dreams and aspirations of its people is as relevant as the extent to which it provides for health and bodily functions.

Why is this how it is with the people who toe the line of bourgeois feminism? Everything is always about getting laid… that's not something I have trouble with btw but its interesting that's how these women feel like they can attain power over the men. Maybe that's why their trying to turn "incel" into the new n-word in terms of linguistic dynamite.

A majority of feminists support making a man pay child support while defending a woman's right to choose. But that's not the kind of thing you can have both ways–if its "just some cells" then hey, that was "just some sperm" right? Not my problem.

There isn't even a real serious argument for keeping it besides muh kidz and legal precedent. I have to give Scandinavian feminists credit that they tabled the idea of "financial abortion" but it didn't go anywhere.

Tbh tho the fact that European feminists have attempted to dissuade the prosecution of female abusers cautions me against the whole vapid Americunt femini$ting vs. True enlightened European feminism dichotomy that some people try to create.

Btw I'm not against abortion but I am saying if it is a woman's right-to-choose, it should also be a man's choice to walk away.

tow.

Men and women come differently equipped in terms of emotional power. It's just a fact. You're in denial of the fact, and wonder why women are able to play the victim. Women can play the victim, because men want to fuck 'em. So they "defend" them from getting fucked, in the hopes THEY will get to fuck 'em. This is why male feminists are so annoying. They're just hot pants.

Devil's advocate question: if it benefited the state, would it be permissible for the state to enforce a patriarchal situation? Or do you believe individual liberty is more important than benefiting the state/collective?

This is the most autistic thing I've ever fucking seen. If you showed this to anyone you know in real life you would be permanently ostracized, not because of your beliefs, but because of your personality. Fucking get help.

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

dump btfo

A lot of people don't report attempted rape at all.
Seeing the guy nominated to the supreme court is a good enough time if you withheld until then.


Accuser 2 is less 'outlandish' than the first and had other people who said they'd seen it happen, afaik. First accuser accused Kavanaugh of attempted gang-rape, second accused him of flashing her and touching her with his dick, third is the least likely and is accusing Kavanaugh of being present during organized gang rapes w/ drugging.


I wasn't sure if this was what you meant the first time you brought up the "wife and children" and I still don't know what kind of point you're trying to make. Years after the Clarence Thomas accusations, his wife tried to demand an apology from Anita Hill. Anita Hill refused to, saying she had nothing to apologize for because what she'd said was true.

< The FBI found that the polygraph was not conducted in accord with protocol, at the insistence of the victim

Aren't polygraphs inaccurate to begin with?

Depends. Many socialists find it outrageous that Stalin and Ceaușescu limited abortion/birth control rights for reasons that were to the benefit of the state. So they will say things like if they came to power they would never ever, ever do anything that might harm women's precious rights.

On the other hand, these same people have nothing to say about Soviet attempts to reign in dead beat dads–if they even know about it. It's a lot less sympathetic of a position for some reason even though it comes from essentially the same motivation.

I don't think anybody's rights are just so precious that they can't be violated if its for the greater good of socialist society. If we had to take a pro-life position for some reason (aka forced birth) then if it is truly necessary then I would be for forced birth. Given that, I have no problem saying you might have to tell some men "look you have to be a father! You must fulfill these social expectations plus also these material requirements" if it truly is for the benefit of socialist society.

However, I do not think that either scenario is truly desirable or aids the Left in its quest to maximize human freedom via adoption of the socialist mode of production–at least as long-term policy.

One thing that Richard Spencer said that is actually quite true is that even when the Left adopts collectivist means (such as socialism) the end-goal is towards the enhancement of individual liberty. So that's part of how I see it, only by changing the collective can the individual be free and to do that sometimes it is necessary that the individual gives up "rights"–that have been socially created by the collective.

I'm not saying these things are true. I'm saying that this looks like a deliberate Hegelian Dialectic. Even contesting the question constitutes an admission that the objections could be true, in some case. You see only the specific situation in play.

But what if all of women are on trial?

Of course, the inevitable consequence is that the vibrancy of life shall ever dazzle beyond, no less than in this neocon reality. In a communist reality, as present collective aims are impaired by any of the multitude of things, they are difficult to obtain, to find, and in this neocon reality, they are "unexisted" through various somewhat secret processes, ranging from intimidation, entrapment, deplatforming.

The soul of man is to imagine. And that imagination is continuously transgressive. Without this, man is trash. The faithful member of any society is the grist of the mill.

Somebody else pointed this out, but Julian Assange was neither right wing nor "nominated."

Also - Anthony Weiner, Al Franken, Bill Clinton (reminder that Bill had several accusations before the Monica Lewinski scandal), Barack Obama (accused of being gay/Michelle Obama accused of being transsexual), etc.

Dems have had a lot of this too.

Assange is the only one (ok, I don't think Obama's gay) that I really doubt, as it was obviously used to go after Wikileaks. Even if it were true, it basically would have been a footnote in his charges if he'd been tried successfully.

In a lot of the cases it seems more likely that the government and powerful positions are just full of very unscrupulous people and for many years sexism and harassment were acceptable. Forgot to add - Asia Argento, from #metoo… it's basically been confirmed that she committed statutory rape. And there are also exceptions like Louis CK (who was creepy, but at least asked), Chris Hardwick (who is a shitty host, but basically just was a dick to a girl he was dating), and Garrison Keillor (whose accusations, from what little came to light, amounted to brushing once on the shoulder of a woman in a backless dress) - except the third one, these guys have gone through their shit and come out p. much clean.

all this

in a socialist society "patriarchal" laws like limiting abortion and divorces would be much less objectionable, because there'd be far less of a reason to have them. if you are fully provided for, have free sex ed and contraceptives, only work 20 hours a week etc why would you abort a child?

however trying to outlaw abortion and enforce family values in a capitalist society only leads to suffering, horror and death

Are you a neoliberal?

Everyone eventually dies of something.

That's junkie logic.

Is this even a left board? This is extremely reactionary. Your own issues about women shouldn't distract you from the fact, that all of these men are capitalist pigs that will actively work agaisn't the interests of the working class of your country. And let's be truth to ourselves, most of them are likely perverts. Capitalists greedy fucks tend to be.

What incentive do wealthy capitalists and politicians have to be good men?

Junkies aren't that different from the rest of us. They just aren't addicted to pride.

Likewise, what incentive has the individual to be a good man? And under various possible governments?

troll:

And a real OLDSCHOOL troll too. Wow that's old-fashioned!

I don't see the point in defending Kavanaugh. This is all meaningless anyway because republicans WILL confirm him. They can't turn back at this point, it's far too late.

yeah mutts should be happy this is going on, a republican SC would be fucking awful for worker rights and that is more important than epicly owning the feminists legendary style

Of course it's meaningless. If kav drops, Trump will just put in a different neocon. Dems are hoping to energize, but their chicken little approach hasn't produced organic protests they had hoped for, mostly because it's obvious "left" politicians aren't actually worried (people subconsciously detect fear, and it's absent).

This is why I'm theorizing a hegelian dialectical motive. All that can result from this is a loss of respect for women.

After all, respect for women, at least overtly, is at a maximum. It's considered impermissible to consider women a lower life form or something like that, or to question their word, in public.

If he has to interact with his fellow men, isn't immune to their scrutiny, and isn't paid to be a bad man, he has multiple reasons to treat others ethically. That's not to say there aren't bad working men, but if it's your job to exploit them and lie to them then you've already crossed a threshold away from both working men and goodness. By and large, capitalists exploit men and politicians lie to them and serve capitalists - and this relationship grants both a general immunity.

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I seriously doubt that. There've been matriarchal societies, we're nowhere near peak and we're not in danger of it.

First, with such an inactive board, I really don't see the point of saging. It's literally like a half dozen people active right now. We could literally get a first name basis, if this weren't such a corporatist atmosphere (namefagging prohibition is to remind you that you're not a paying customer).

Social constructs can definitely create incentives for individuals to NOT be modestly decent. Of course I strain the idea of the "individual" here, because I then direct to the like of gypsy, Chinese, Amish, assorted cult, you-know-who-in-little-hats, and other non-governmental collectives. And of course race-based identity, or at least race-based non-brotherhood.

Altruism is a great way to stay poor.

But modern times takes all of those things and makes the situation worse: The automobile has created the possibility that someone can freeload without ceasing. This is actually the neocon objection to the "refugee". They can literally go country to country collecting handouts.

People have a simple check on this: "Has such a person done well by me?" If no ___ have done well by me, blacks, italians, muslims, what have you, then why should I be wasting my money/food/effort on them?

This brings us full circle, because a lot of guys will be asking themselves this question: "Other than a warm wet hole, what good has a woman ever been to me?"

Women, of course, have gotten plenty from men, over the years, from lodging to food to literally all of science, and all the buildings that have been made, anywhere. This isn't to say there's a tendency for gratefulness, just a desire for a continuation. The feminists of the liberals prosecute in women the notion they got nothing of value, and they could with ease replace the contributions of men. I wonder how many women are smart enough to see through the lie that men aren't contributors.


My understanding has been that matriarchy has never existed, though there are matrilineal ones. I would be inclined to doubt that matriarchy could form, even if men and women are identical in brain (doubtful), given that only the females have wombs. Wombs = inferior as working assets, superior as baby-makers. A bit of a curse, but if we view the individual as a unit of production, then you will see why it would work out that way.

maximum respect for women can only be achieved in a socialist society with equal rights and responisibilities, this "women r queenz" shit is the same condescending idpol used on minorities to keep them from realizing their class interests, it's facetious and misogynist

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Ah, but of course it is. Of course "women are our retarded sooth-saying negroes" is offensive, but somehow women are collectively to stupid to realize it.

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household matriarchy existed in primitive communist societies where women held the means of production while men hunted and gathered, in this case the womb making then stay at home was a factor that gave them authority