Where were you when the Greeks btfo Marx?
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Dylan Moore
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Brayden Ross
Greek society was held together by literal slaves no surprise there.
Daniel Hughes
Nice try faggot
Austin Barnes
Epictetus was a slave yet he became a philosopher and thus rich in what matters.
Marx, in contrast, was a wealthy man who became poor in what matters.
Wyatt Turner
Aristotle therefore, himself, tells us what barred the way to his further analysis; it was the absence of any concept of value. What is that equal something, that common substance, which admits of the value of the beds being expressed by a house? Such a thing, in truth, cannot exist, says Aristotle. And why not? Compared with the beds, the house does represent something equal to them, in so far as it represents what is really equal, both in the beds and the house. And that is – human labour.
Mason Torres
Yeah, and if you had asked Epicetus if he would have liked to go back into slavery for "virtue's" sake, I'm sure he would say no.
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Aaron Davis
Lol
Google his house.
Hunter Harris
Ryan Taylor
"You see slave, you have to work so we aristocrats can spend our time doing philosophy, mathematics and shit."
Jaxon Watson
Epicurus is the only good Greek philosopher
Adam Gonzalez
Wew. Idealism is such superstitious horseshit.
Justin Powell
Most everyone works. Mathematicians work. But their work is a means to an end. Virtue is more important than your job or class or wage. A virtuous slave is richer and more free than a wicked tyrant.
Matthew Peterson
He's saying everyone has two lives, one is the pursuit of virtue and this is primary and highest value, while the second life is work and sustaining the body. The second aspect is trivial and doesn't make you better or worse, a butcher is no better than a soldier or teacher, the rich aren't better than the poor, those differences are trivial .
Nicholas Wright
Capitalism prevents people from pursuing any kind of self-cultivation, that stuff is for bourgs only.
James Russell
u wut m8
Carson Parker
He's ignoring how society actually functions for his naval gazing bullshit. Convenient for someone who is in one of the idle castes of a slave society.
This is why it's important to move beyond the Greek idealists and embrace modern materialism.
Levi Jones
CHATTEL SLAVERY IS NOT VIRTUOUS YOU COLOSSAL FAGGOT
Jason Taylor
Aristotle in Nicomachean Ethics thought that having some money is necessary for a happy life, in addition to virtue. Whatever one believes about virtue, it isn't something one can eat. Plato didn't seem to think that the best life was one of purely being wise in philosophy but one with some pleasure as well.
"The Greeks" aren't just the one person you happen to be reading.
Justin Nguyen
i love these kind of posts. when some straggler from Zig Forums read something retarded without even remotely understanding marx so he tells himself "ah-ha! this blows the fuck out of anyone who disagrees with me on the infallibility of capitalism, i'm going to go post this on leftypol and watch them squirm"
You are an idiot OP. a braying jackass who knows jack shit about something you claim to be so passionate about. go kill yourself
Blake Taylor
Spooked
Josiah Fisher
Did they even own the home he was born in?
I remember reading they only lived in one of the rooms.
Luis Perez
Wow, really intelligent. Makes me wonder how Greek society lasted. Oh wait, of course, it lasted via people who concerned themselves with real, material reality.
Adam Morgan
.t slaveowning sophist
Joseph Sullivan
What would you prefer to be? A slave or a tyrant? A rich or a poor?
Mason Allen
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David Scott
Aristotle was anti-usury
Jackson Hernandez
P E A K
S P E C T A C L E
Easton Baker
Rich with wisdom. Very nice.
So now material gains matters more? Your statement flipflops. Was this just a troll?
Oh yes, this. The best.
Joshua Long
Daily reminder that Greek societies were built entirely upon slavery and war. There were around 30 slaves for every free man. Only around 30% of the population was even permitted to participate in "democratic" elections there. So it honestly makes sense that first world Zig Forumstards and other liberals in the west would continue to admire them. Much like America it was a god awful society run old fucktards and supported by middle class filth who lived off of stolen land and also stolen labor.
Adrian Ramirez
At least I was pure.
Grayson Russell
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Noah Cooper
Truly insightful
Evan Gomez
Austin Nelson
Human self-cultivation is the highest end of all to be sure. But it requires a material foundation. You need to eat before you can think. Idiot.
Christian Ramirez
The basics are accounted for , read the quote. Even slaves get fed and housed
Christopher Anderson
30%were slaves. Not 30 to 1.
And slaves could buy/earn their freedom.
Alexander Adams
Marx became poor in virtue/wisdom as he aged
Isaiah Peterson
How can someone fit so much autism into one post
William Ramirez
MARX BTFO!!!
Aaron Morgan
There are lots of different estimates. One census shows around 20 slaves for every citizen which is still abhorrent for a society which is held up as the golden standard of democracy by bourg theorists.
Brandon Carter
the reason they told you to read the greeks OP was because they laid the foundations for all following philosophical and scientific mehodology, not because they were right about everything. a lot of their individual arguments were pretty autistic and/or only applicable to their material conditions
anyway equality is not a term marxists really operate so it doesn't btfo marx in any capacity
Chase Harris
I hope you all do understand that it was the hellenic culture that laid down the foundations for collectivism in the European sense, even if it was reactionary it is a fun topic.
Other that than OP, you need to read more about virtues if you actually want to understand the logos of Classical Idealism, there are however authors that touch it very well in the modern era.
Anthony Taylor
Keep doing this tbh its hilarious to see your completely baseless arguments fall apart in two seconds
Alexander Cox
Can't pursue the good life if you're knee deep in shit and uneducated, Plato realized this which is why the Just city must ensure free education, and adequate living conditions, now go fuck yourself.
Hunter Hernandez
He was always an ass, but, like any intellect, grew in "wisdom". And since poverty didn't stop him, I'd say he grew in your "virtue" as well. The statement still makes no sense.
Camden Morris
Literally anything can be philosophy, so anyone can become a philosopher, it's not some great achievement.
A man cannot live on metaphysics alone. Stop being a faggot.
t. unironic Stoic whose read Epictetus' literature
That doesn't justify the system; I could kidnap you from your house, beat you and rape you and say that if you didn't kill yourself until then, I would set you free from my basement after 30 years. Does this sound appealing to you?
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Luke Lee
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Kayden Green
en.wikipedia.org
Diogenes of Oenoanda (Greek: Διογένης ὁ Οἰνοανδεύς) was an Epicurean Greek from the 2nd century AD who carved a summary of the philosophy of Epicurus onto a portico wall in the ancient Greek city of Oenoanda in Lycia (modern day southwest Turkey). The surviving fragments of the wall, originally extended about 80 meters, form an important source of Epicurean philosophy.
Jaxon Campbell
Primitive drivel.
Jeremiah Ramirez