Do Capitalists work?

Whenever I read about fucks like Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk in the media it’s always mentioned how hard they work and how they’re just *amazing* job creators who made their respective businesses huge and they alone did it.

How can I counter the argument that Capitalists work for what they’ve got?

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By saying that they themselves almost always hire managers that do all their work for them.

Idk jeff bezos is a beast tbh

Capitalists are also subservient to capital, read marx.

What do they produce? Do they work on commodities? No. At most they work on negotiating contracts and prices, which is just lost energy in the economy– planned economy doesn't waste any energy on that stuff. Even if the porkies were producing something of value rather than consuming other people's surplus value, it's nearly impossible for one person to actually produce values of, say, >$100k (the point at which you become bourgeoisie according to Yakuvenko's math). It's certainly impossible for a single person to produce millions of dollars worth of value. To get that income, you have to consume the surplus of others.

Now how about "great inventors" like Musk? Doesn't Musk's Hyperloop blueprint give value to a real life Hyperloop if one was ever constructed? No, actually. A blueprint is a means or condition of production, but the labor that was put into a blueprint can't enter into the machines that are built according to spec, because blueprints don't degrade. Machines impart a fraction of their value to their commodities at the rate of their degradation, but as long as you properly back it up and create copies, a blueprint will never degrade. Therefore, creating blueprints, while a good social contribution, is a net drain on the producer/consumer economy.


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You are a retard.

No u, how the fuck is "Capitalists are also subservient to capital" in any way a relevant response to OP's question? You god damn idiot.

They may work but the key thing is they buy the labor power of workers. They may even sell their own labor power to a bigger capitalist, but a worker can only sell their labor power.

They don't though, the technical category of worker is someone who sells his labor power and is separated from his means of production. No porkies work in that sense.

Capitalists only "work" in the sense that they try to invest the surplus labor that they extract from the workers in a way that will get them more money. Most capitalists never "invented" anything, despite what capitalist propaganda claims.

Who is that? Were you referring to Victor Yakovenko, or is that someone else entirely different?

Most successful capitalists work harder and smarter than their employees and take bigger risks. The lazy entitled capitalists are usually born into wealth and not raised well. If they are raised well they will also be hard workers, in fact workaholics.

Some of them do work. Those that do I am sure work very hard, take significant risks with the company strategy, have a lot on the line if it goes wrong etc. These are businessmen. You don't need to be a businessman(/person) to be a capitalist. The only qualification for being a capitalist is wealth.
These capitalists fall far short of even the right wingers demonisation of welfare queens. No-one knows who they are so all we talk about are Bezos etc.
The ones who work hard deserve fair pay, even correlated to the success their leadership etc. provides the company. That said Bezos' workers still live on food stamps, Tesla still hasn't made a real profit and has shit worker care. Uber hasn't made much money yet either. The reason they survive is because they have humongous amounts of money they raised from capitalists to spend and lose outcompeting all the others, until only one 'platform' exists, then they can make more money than ever. They're extending the Walmart model to other parts of the economy

One thing in common in all of these megabusinesses is that labour is treated very poorly. If that's all that is really required, you don't need genius, you need malice.

Of course they work. Beating proles into working harder is hard work.

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100k? I thought 1M? Yearly? Income, total monetary value?

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2008 showed just how little risk these parasites take. if they fail, the government (i.e. your hard earned money) will just bail them out. imagine what the world would look like if these assholes weren't given corporate subsidies or bailouts

That's some gr8 b8, m8

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$100k is where the income distribution stops following the boltzman curve and instead has a Pareto distribution, indicating the starting point of bourgeois income levels.

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