If your leftist org doesn’t place environmental issues at the same tier of importance as labour issues then you need to assess your priorities. Porkies are literally going to crash this planet with no survivors.
This planet warms and cools in cycles according to the sun itself. We will all die, but…say you were crazy and wanted to prevent such deaths–How would you put in a large amount of energy or remove a terribly large amount of energy from The Earth? You can't.
What? You don't like that? In Geologic time…all of the garbage and filth we create will be subsumed into the Earth itself. When you put in a certain amount of energy it takes 3.5x that amount of effort to remove it in perfect conditions. Do you think I, as a Hunter and Conservationist likes seeing the ruin of our oceans? Don't feed me your garbage now.
Can't wait to be bombarded with propaganda about how I need to eat less beef and fly less while we all ignore how private industry contributes to climate change.
its gonna be the plastic straw spectacle all over again. johnny commonman is gonna get blamed and shamed into changing his lifestyle while porkies continue to actually, you know, destroy the planet for profit
Parker Gonzalez
i just realised i said the exact same thing as you, woops
Jacob King
Gee I don't know, maybe because not everyone wants to live in a dumpster fire of an environment?
Juan Turner
I'm telling you that your insurmountable effort would only be a fraction of what we need to "undo" to our oceans and freshwater.
Alexander Taylor
Environmentalism is good but not when it involves class collaboration. The elimination of imperialism and the promotion of socialism (in that order) should be the primary aim of all socialist orgs.
Connor King
w e w lad
Jeremiah Brooks
Everything will change so that nothing has to change. Enjoy your new, futuristic, clean Antarctic megalopoles.
I know you think it's some sort of shocking revelation that it takes more effort to clean than to shit things up but it really isn't.
Or you know maybe not compromise your own ideals and pursue multiple goals at once. Just a thought. Not much point in beating porky if you have to become him to do so.
Umm, akshually, the countries who are polluting the air are not white countries, but FILTHY chinks and indians who think the world belongs to them. why should i as a swiss care about how my country operates when our output is fully sustainable?
Charles Morris
USA is greatest petroleum consumer on the planet. Also, doesn't mountain israel rely on exports to fuel it's economy?
Connor Lopez
kys, R stifresser
Jace Campbell
Whether or not anthropogenic climate change is real or not probably not, no proposed political or economic solution would be able to stop it anyways. The effort, money, power dynamic shifts needed to actually stop the alleged effects would be so unimaginably insurmountable, preparing for the potential effects of warming is more realistic at this point. This isn't a blackpill, it's a reality check. If the climate change meme is real, then the Titanic has already struck the iceberg, and is already taking on water. We can sit here and debate about how big of a bucket we'll need to empty the hull (which is pointless and fruitless) but it would be a better use of time to figure out how to get to the lifeboats.
Nicholas Wilson
There are no lifeboats. Space is a meme under capitalism.
Liam Wilson
I don't mean going into space, I mean preparing for the inevetable. As in, stop trying to stop the effects and start preparing for them.
Joshua Powell
Those aren't mutually exclusive acts
Logan Wright
I agree, but there is no other planet near-by that would be more hospitable to human life than earth, even if it warms a few degrees. Much easier to redevelop cities and work on more efficient technology than it is to relocate to a freezing cold planet with no, or an inhospitable, atmosphere and make things work.
Jace Myers
A close second, sure. But treating them with equal relevance is political suicide because it invariably draws in swaths of New Age anti-science hippie retards that don't even pretend to give half an iota of a shit about labor or the economy. The kind of people who unironically believe in shit like homeopathy and vaccines being poison.
The graph shows how the recent global temperature increase is unrelated to solar irradiance. This doesn't change if you go back to the last ice age because, surprise, we're still in the same orbit and the sun isn't any hotter. Try thinking before you post.
Angel Bell
Even if Climate Change is natural we, as a species should still use geoenginering methods to stop it because it’s in own own self interest.
Those with power (Porky) control the narrative
Not really, all we need is genetically engineered bacteria to decompose all of our landfill trash.
Also, if we do want to talk about long-term solar irradiance, this article seems to claim that solar irradiance is probably on its way down. And before you get excited: What a shock. phys.org/news/2015-03-fluctuations-solar.html
Christian Brooks
One can’t talk about climate change without bring this up. archive.fo/eTXuc
Josiah Foster
the liberal cries out in pain as they stab you in the back
then dont promote democracy if you are ready to exclude people from the process and debates before they even get started.
Leo Baker
The only way to stop this is central planning. We can not expect everyone to eliminate their emissions of their own accord, and we surely can not expect private industry to do so.Funny contradiction of capitalism, you keep expanding and you suffocate yourself, you dont expand and your competitors suffocate you. The future is, yet again, undeniably Socialist. I dont know why people think this is insurmountable. Everything humans do is by necessity a human action, and can thusly be changed by humans. You guys dont read/think enough and have fallen into empty nihilistic traps instead of sober analysis.
Easton Sanders
When i read shit like this I just want to kill myself, at this point there's no hope for Socialism and people are eating shitty.
John Miller
Good.
Jeremiah Perez
How is that bad?
Nicholas Turner
We have a 0% chance of staying below 1.5c. By 2022 we will have our first blue ocean event where there is no more arctic ice in the summer. A few more years after that and and there will be no more ice year around. Once that ice is gone it's game over, the temperature is going to shoot way up quickly.
user I hate to break it to you but there will never be any action on this issue until the first world starts to feel real material pain over it. Just like with the o-zone layer. If Australians and other first worlders weren't going to be irradiated (and if there weren't already readily available non-destructive replacements for the problem compound) no one would have done anything. Things are going to get much, much worse before they even start to get better.
Wrong. Their offspring will survive on fully automated, luxury island. The rest will die. That's why they have no interest in stopping it, but rather in amassing as much wealth as possible before it gets hot.
Pretty much in the end it turns out Limits to Growth was spot on correct, techno-industrial society will collapse within our lifetimes if we don't go nuclear in the 2030s or 2040s
Adam Turner
it never ends
Bentley Campbell
Wouldn't worry about it, PRC just came up with some solid anti desertification tech, along with their push for nuclear and renewables.
With the PRC playing a fundamental role in future developing economies I think they can avoid all the need for smog and smoke.
There's real business to be made in renewables, only burgers don't want to accept this.
Has anyone here read the latest IPCC report? It's funny shit and full of pure ideology. Basically, "we're going to stop global warming even harder than we originally wanted to (despite failing to achieve anything thus far) and solve global poverty at the same time!"
Fucking ridiculous. It's no wonder most people are distrustful of these 'experts' when they're so blatantly full of it.
Maybe as a species we are destined do disappear and give way to species that have a higher chance to achieve fully automated luxury space communism, like octopuses (octopi :DD). I don't believe in dolphins, that's just a posadist meme. The future belongs to octopuses: All hail comrade Octopus!
? Calls in China primarily complain about how China isn't doing more of what it is doing now, which is the increased improvement of quality of life in their own country without too much reliance on foreign nations.
Aside from that, it has *the* highest approval rating of any government right now