Deng Xiaoping

He’s not a Socialist, he’s a right-wing nationalist. He’s far from a socialsit. He’s a Porky. Enough said.

Ismail is a retard

Deng is a counterrevolutionary and a reactionary.

China would have been nuked by now if they didn't reach an understanding with Anglo-American capitalism.

Thinking anything else is knee jerk idealist lunacy.

Now this is ideology

No they wouldn’t they had Nuclear deterrence scene they sixties, and while they weren’t liked by America, they weren’t hated. The Sino-American reaprochment happened under Mao, not Deng. If China stayed socialist they would maintain similar diplomatic relations to America as today, besides when you have Nuclear deterrence who careers if America doesn’t like you. If you have Nukes they can’t invade you.

Deng is a fucking revisionist and what's worse, a liberal that sprung up out of an actual socialist state. Also, the Chinese state regularly suppresses non-CPC Communist organizations. Its one thing for a socialist state to repress counter-revolutionaries and fascists. It's another to repress any and all dissent. My take is China will eventually morph from late-USSR-style state capitalism to regular capitalism and suffer a similar hideous drop in the quality of life for its citizens. Liberalization was a ploy by Gorbachev to achieve personal power for himself over the needs of the people and Dengism is the same thing.

No way, the Chinese working class is too large to be allowed to exist under traditional socialism. If they weren't manufacturing cheap consumer goods for the west they'd have been subjected to a campaign of bombing, invasion, and political subversion to a much greater extent than they have been.

The Soviet Union had plenty of nukes, but it didn't save them from dismemberment and shock therapy. China is not some piss ant backwater, it's the last polity standing outside the western sphere of domination.

dengxiaopingworks.wordpress.com/2013/03/18/china-can-only-take-the-socialist-road/
Would Deng say China is on the socialist road today?

Let me make some concessions as an anarkiddy and consider the economic organization of the Warsaw Pact states as socialist (and even some MLs show some light skepticism about this)
Dengism deviates from this model of only state-owned MoP (except for a few small businesses like restaurants) and full employment, free healthcare, education etc.
Even Khrushchev's reforms didn't jeopardize this system like Deng did. If we consider the USSR as socialist, then China clearly isn't. If we don't consider the USSR as (sufficiently) socialist then China misses the mark even further.

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Take the dengpill

I think the sensible, non-dogmatic ML position is that (while flawed in certain respects) these states were socialist, but other forms of socialist systems are possible. Our imagination shouldn't be limited to trying to replicate 20th century ML states.

Anyone who thinks China currently has a primarily socialist mode of production is an imbecile who shouldn't be taken seriously, or someone who stretches the definition of socialism quite a bit and uses a lot of wishful thinking to arrive at the conclusion they want to arrive at (like Ismail).

A position that is somewhat defensible is that China has a socialist government that implemented a temporary NEP style "controlled" market capitalism (through party cells in private companies, strict rules and regulations, etc.) to attract much needed foreign capital to develop and modernize the economy. Let's be honest, compared to the countries that stuck to their Soviet style economic systems after the dissolution of the USSR , China is doing extremely well, so it's hard for me to say they made a terrible decision (even though I've been arguing against these dengoid idiots on here for months now).

I think the "direction" is more important than some predetermined checklist of things you need to be Real Socialism (tm). I can't stand western leftists who constantly complain about leftist governments in other parts of the world for not being socialist enough, for being too authoritarian, for not being authoritarian enough, etc, while under constant imperialist threat. But the thing is, it's not clear if the Chinese Communist Party has any interest whatsoever in moving towards socialism anymore.

Compelling argument

That pic can't be serious

didn't say that tho

I think they’re poking fun at people who say the same shit about China.

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Yeah, figured as much.

Except that America never did that when China was Socialist

Shock Therapy was done by Russian Right-Wingers, not by the American state. Viewing America as some ultra-omnipowerful entity prevents you from acting locally. America isn’t nearly as powerful as you think.

If you think China is Socialist because the government owns some stuff then your an idiot.

Deng Xiaoping>>>Shit>>>Gorbachev

I kind of admire the CCP pronouncements where they present all their bullshit in Marxist terminology. I think some of them sincerely believe it's perfectly in line with Marxism-Leninism too. It's a nice dream to think they'll start socialization in 2050 for real, but I don't see how they can possibly purge the rising bourgeois elements. At best we can hope for a political revolution when the new generation versed in Marxist theory grows up.

They aren't wrong, developing the productive forces is Marxist.
Of course their Marxism could just be the new state Confucianism.

Isn't it "doing well" in the same way that countries where a heavy neoliberal austerity program is implemented are "doing well"? The GDP may have risen but the wealth gap is collossal.
Also, considering even a small and isolated country like Cuba manages to maintain a "primarily" socialist mode of production under the current conditions, I'd imagine this should be even more feasible for a large and powerful state like China.
Some members probably do. But it's clearly not the consensus among the leadership (if so why aren't any clear steps being taken to end the liberalization), and moreover it's dubious if simply "returning to socialism" is even an option at this point.

He is a revisionist who turned China into a capitalist country with extreme inequality for the next hundred years.

Deng was probably a Communist.
The Three Represents, harder to say.

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return2source.wordpress.com/2011/05/20/china-market-socialism-a-question-of-state-revolution/

chinamediaproject.org/2018/10/03/the-return-of-socialist-transformation/