Haven't been keeping up; is there any real evidence for Russia controlling any aspect of the US election or Trump's...

I think it's pretty naive to think that Russian intelligence wouldn't try to influence an election in the US but they did not "hack" the election nor is Trump some kind of Manchurian candidate. Russian meddling amounts to RT broadcasts, bots, and fedbook meme pages. None of which were crucial in determining the outcome. The real culprit behind any significant social media manipulation came from the Mercer/Bannon camp by way of Cambridge Analytica.

Ultimately the Russian fearmongering works on two fronts. Firstly it allows the Dems to craft an exculpatory narrative that absolves them of anu missteps that lead to their loss and it simultaneously absolves the American political establishment from having to do any self reflection on how the utterly bankrupt social and political environment they crafted led to a candidate like Trump being able to win the presidency.

The USA is the nation where it's okay to drop nukes on other nations, cause the destruction of entire regions, and tamper with everyone's elections.

But post some Pepes and you've motherfucking crossed the line.

This is kind of dated but still mostly holds true

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also here's the Greenwald piece talked about in

theintercept.com/2017/07/17/with-new-d-c-policy-group-dems-continue-to-rehabilitate-and-unify-with-bush-era-neocons/

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They spread narratives expedient to Russia's geopolitical interests, that's about it. For example, RT America has a leftist, anti-imperialist line because it holds back the US war drive with Russia. RT Europe on the other hand promotes a right wing, Euroskeptic perspective because it helps break up the economic power of the EU (and thus favor Russia). "Disinfo" comes in with events where the facts are in dispute between the two imperialist factions. According to the US, even doubting the Assad regime's culpability for the recent chemical attacks in Syria is "disinfo", and same for the Skripal poisoning incident, possibly the Khassoggi murder if Trump decides to deny it, etc.

Overall it's a ridiculous witch hunt designed to paint any narrative or position contrary to America's imperialist interests as "Russian propaganda". As for Trump's election, they're trying to claim that Russia's small network of propaganda shills swung the election, amidst the literal billions of dollars from domestic porkies spent on propaganda, in which Trump was vastly outspent I should add. They also claim that Russia sponsored the hacking of the Clinton email server, but they have still not provided any evidence for that claim in what is now two years.

wew dude,
what "Russia" did was tell us that the DNC fucked over bernie

Yeah, because Israel is a vassal state. A favored vassal, to be fair, but still a vassal no different from Saudi Arabia or Turkey.

Lmao you should see the people on /r/socialism saying we need to work the liberals to defend American Democracy against Russia. I think COINTELPRO took over that place.

If they did, it was objectively a good move for anti-imperialism so I wouldn't even care

Honestly I don't care the slightest bit. The only thing that matters is that big military powers are shitting on each other, which terrifies me. How can it be this hard to demilitarize your asses? What's stopping them from getting around a table and saying, "How about we just don't?"

this post is pure idealism

Putin's Russia is just another imperialist, oligarchic nightmare-state. They will have tampered with American elections in 2016 to the very best of their ability. Given Russia's grasp of spycraft and America's arrogance and incompetence in domestic security, that might have included manipulating the vote itself (or doing the next best thing, manipulating the list of eligible voters.)

No user, Russia advances its own brand of imperialism. Ever heard of pan-slavism?

Shoo liberal.
Also,
Isn't the GOP already doing that? Try doing something about that first before unironically whining about muh national security.

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They are imperalist, yes but at least they are fighting american hegemony.

Holy shit, man. Do you think the Russian hackers were just vacationing in U.S. election systems like their soldiers were in Ukraine? Stop sucking Putin's dick, it's not even in your interest unless you're a rich Russian mobster.

So you would replace one empire with another just as vile and perfidious?

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The American Goverment does that to a Much greater degree to itself then Russia ever did
You ever heard of Felony Disenfranchisement?
That coupled with all the 90s War on Drugs shit has literally barred a decent portion of the American Population from even being able to vote

It's something leftypol should celebrate, it shows Republicans as being accepting of traitors and will further incite a revolution

I understand what you're saying. Republicans have played a much larger part of 'democracy' in America being grossly unrepresentative. But Russia could very easily have decided the election in 2016. It's known they had access to voter rolls in dozens of states. That can't be allowed to happen again.

There's also been a pretty major attempt this last year to shift blame onto China as well as the trade war heats up
I expect shit to really start flying after the G20 meeting in November when the Chinese formally tell the US to fuck off with their response to the list of demands about opening up their economy to American interests

Trump *did* say he was gonna make a Worker's Party.

Oh, so it's safe to ignore as bullshit then, thanks for confirming.

Yes and it was in part a retaliation against the US for trying to influence Russian elections.

Kill yourself. Also God bless the Russians for fucking with Amerifat """democracy"""

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the only thing ive read on the matter was just a bunch of bullshit about port scans. the mainstream media reported it as evidence, but if thats evidence russia is trying to hack my printer, right now.
They even had the gall to list a bunch of ip addressees as proof, when they were from all over the world, but 'some' originated in russia so thats evidence!

Though this was some time ago, maybe they released more evidence, now that they had time to fabricate it.

Trump administration repeatedly warned India to not buy defence system from Russia and was very upset when they finally did it anyway after months of warning
It just dosent seem too practical to believe trump's a Russian puppet given that he hasn't served any of their interests

Russia undoubtably meddled somehow, but the real question is if you think Russia had any more influence than the average corporation, think-tank, superpac, or billionaire. Not to mention influence from other US allies and vassal states. Whether Russia's influence exists is a far less important question than if it actually matters in the grand scheme of things.

Yeah, that's how hierarchy works.

Pan-slavism is a totally good idea though.

I'm gonna get banned for this…but really the "Actual Left' has turned into Red Hippies or worse Mussolini "Prole Nations vs Bourgeois Nations" wanting Russia/China/Syria/Iran to become Imperialist when they aren't even close to Socialist cause they are against the big guys like this.

Also just cause they have Leftist stuff on RT doesn't mean anything, the Nazis made great propaganda about the mistreatment of Blacks, Native Americans, and Australian Aboriginals

everytime

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The Russian government using Twitter bots and having different lines for RT Europe and RT America is indisputable. But it's standard practice for a lot of countries and is nothing compared to Israel's propaganda machine or US interventionism.

The conflict between imperialist powers can be quite useful to the socialist movement, so long as it continues we can play the two off against one another to our benefit. Similar to the way non-aligned nations did during the Cold War. What we need to avoid is any one power from gaining ultimate supremacy. If America is winning then we should support Russia and China. If Russia is winning we should support America and China. If China is winning we should support America and Russia. All the while building our own strength and preparing for the time when conditions are right to eliminate all three.

Shouldn't we support Maoists in China instead? It's not realistic to treat all of these countries the same way, even though China has fallen to Dengism it still has institutions in place to enact real socialist policies, unlike other major powers.

Is there a SINGLE evidence, tho?

Absolutely, I should clarify that supporting actual socialists always takes precedence over critical or strategic support of non-socialist powers. However we can take action to help China grind down the American empire while also taking action to help the Chinese workers overthrow capitalism in their own country. The two aren’t mutually exclusive, especially since the primary way westerners can strike against empire is by practicing revolutionary defeatism.