Trump is the best thing ever to happen to the left

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ACCELERATIONIST GANG WHERE YOU AT

Reminder that accelerationism ONLY works at all if you are vigorously and effectively organizing on a mass scale.

That ain't Falco.

Trump is essentially forcing that to occur in America, it's very clear r*publicans don't want to admit they have a retard in office, no liberal can try to play it down without looking like a coward, thus forcing people to be at the very least on the level of Bernie Sanders.

States that would be better off as independent nations or allied states will leave the union, leaving washington with its small upper corner as the remainder of the USA

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big if true

socdems aren't leftists.
What kind of delusion is this? China's shitting themselves.
Everybody already knew the first thing and the second thing is a pipedream of drooling retards who have their head in the clouds.
populism's such a better alternative

pfffff fuck me that's some pathetic desperation

Socdems are mildly better than liberals, the key point is that the right will now be opposed on all fronts.

The Chinese are increasingly hardening themselves to fight the *mericans, Chinese liberalism is basically dead

This is what Americans actually believe.

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The chinese stock market has been more or less falling into shit. However this means less than the American stock market doing the same, as the Chinese don't really have pensions into it IIRC.

Where? Liberals only know how to double down on liberalism.
Leftists are coming from the apolitical or the people who thought they were fascists because they hated the current system and the red scare made them forget socialism was an option for a while (though more will stay than convert).

The Chinese still aren't "shitting themselves" if anything Xi's been able to parlay the trade war into helping boost the pulbic's opinion of him and the new nationalism he's been trying to institutionalie in China

I'm not that guy though

No, this is what people grounded in reality know. But who am I kidding, there's no convincing brainless Chinaboos like you.


Their economy is. And economy is everything.
Jesus christ this board sometimes


We will all band together in our hatred of the right to vote in… obama 2.0

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I didn't say that Xi consolidating his image was necessarily a good thing you fucking idiot. On top of that even if their economy is spasming in the short term it's been demonstrated that they are going to have a way easier time coming out the other side of le trade war than America

came here from pol to check things out and i gotta say im starting to like you leftys

Reminder that accelerationism isn't about "making things worse to radicalize the libs" but about tacitly approving of capital expansion to speed up historical processes, like Marx did. Economic nationalists like Trump are anti-accelerationist, libs like Hillary who are for economic globalization and open borders are accelerationist candidates.

no one is becoming a socialist
socialism just became another word for liberalism

Americuck here, Trump's election actually made me a Socialist after i voted for him, of course. First it was respect for Bernie Sanders and rage felt towards Hilldabeest for being a sack of neoliberal shit, then it was ACTUAL Socialism. It was all made much easier by me being a Nation-al Socialist who has a lot of respect for certain countries that our government hates, such as Assad and North Korea.
Despite being a Socialist now, I still hate Trump's enemies more than i dislike or fear Trump.

Thats more or less what happened to me.


I dont think the liberals can be radicalized, they have a dogma and only ever double down on it, they are fully convinced and their idpol lense will let them continue insisting its all racisms fault as things get worse and worse and worse.

Hatred of liberals is the door into socialism and radicalization in america, not disliking trump. People who are fervent anti-trump are mostly already lost.

And let me clarify by radicalized i mean brought in line with the hard left. Liberals can indeed become radicals and they will probably just self destruct and try to take out white/male/cis people as they go based on all the idpol they have been brainwashed with.

Trump literally said that if people would just let America rule the world he would end any and all tarriffs, sanctions, and trade blockades tomorrow at an EU conference like two months ago

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By this do you mean libs who hate idpol? Or just reactionaries?? People who are reactionary or even just centrist will just double down and lean towards fascism when idpol pisses then off lmao.
Now libs who find themselves dissatisfied by both idpol and the general weakness of liberal response to Trump and growing fascism worldwide in general, those are prime for radicalization.

Most of these things leftists already knew and talked about, we haven't seen an actual leftist uprising that challenges capital which could justify the carnage of Trump's policies, especially in regards to the environment, unions and immigration so in the end I don't think it's fair to conclude that Trump is good for the left.
In fact, I think Trump is the beginning of the end for leftism if we don't do some serious thinking of how we plan to play out the next couple of years. We have enormous inequality never seen before since ancient Egypt and climate change is an existential threat that the rich are fully guilty of yet the left is still unable to convince people that maybe the capitalist mode of production isn't working in their favor and if we want humanity for more than a hundred years then maybe we should try socialism.

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The only thing that Trump is "ending" is America.

Also the world to a further extend, I think Chomsky in a recent interview elaborated on just how destructive Trump actually is just in terms of the environment contrary to what HRC probably would have been, which is a liberal who also disregards the environment but has to appear presentable to the global powers and present America as a country that supposedly cares about climate change.

Climate change can only be addressed by socialism. If humanity cannot achieve socialism it deserves to go extinct. I think it's time the western "left" stopped promoting class collaboration for environmental issues.

Fascists are closer to communists than capitalists are. Fascism is a response to capitalism. It is supported by capitalists because it protects them, but popular support of it among the lower classes is only caused by failing capitalism. The conditions of the red scare and general anti-communist sentiment has resulted in many would-be socialists finding themselves into fascism just because its the only 'not capitalism' they feel permitted to turn to. I believe this is intentional, and that the 'anti-nazi' theme has been retained in popular media and culture long after the end of ww2, even more visible to the casual observer (as anti communist actions tend to be more subtle and culturally integrated, whereas anti-nazi sentiment is overt) was simply to provide people a designated opposition to fall into should they ever become dissatisfied.

I dont think they are actually committed liberals, they just call themselves liberals because they are a-political and thats what they were told to consider themselves as. idpol, being anything that divides the lower classes, is a fundamental control mechanism. Anyone who is liberal but against idpol does not understand what one or both actually is.

Fascism is a capitalist response to socialism. You have to go back.

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lol you epic owned me ben shapiro fascists are the real anticapitalists nazbol gang amirite all the leftist theory on fascism from the last century is irrelevant because some teen on Zig Forums doesn't like that miley cyrus is twerking on the tv

We are talking about support, not origin. Most people who throw their weight behind a
Political idea do not fully understand it. As anti-capitalist sentiment grows among the masses they are handed fascism to make them feel like they are doing something. You have to think about why people turn to things, because the masses are the only thing that gives a movement the actual muscle. Therefore the reason why the populace turns to a political idea is the reason for it having any power. This is why the idea of liberals being one step towards socialism Is flawed, they already have their ideology.

Fascism never had popular support from the lower classes, it was always sustained by the petty bourgeois and the bourgeois

So do fascists though, and their ideology is firmly in rejection of socialism if not more so than liberals.

The ones who are intellectually fascist, sure, but not the masses, the masses are never intellectual. In america fascism is the only presented alternative to the current system, so anyone who is dissatisfied turns to it first whether or not its in their interest to do so.

I believe this is engineered. You now have a generation who grew up playing as literal nazis in fps. Americans are conditioned to fall into fascism should liberalism ever colapse.

This is even why nazis instead of straight up fascists are preffered, the nazis let them keep some of their idpol control mechanism. This is why if you go to Zig Forums civic nationalism is looked down on, its the conditioning kicking in, as the elite are still a little less safe under fascism, since they have to now worry about whos in power rather than the system protecting them inherently with nobody able to gain a political office to challenge them, Having more divided global ethnic fascism would be stronger protection than a more unified one.

Joke's on you. In America fascism is the norm and not the "alternative." Everything that fascists want is already here. We have limited union activity, a massive prison/death camp system to control undesirables, and a very large and powerful military that is engaged in aggressive conflicts all over the world. The fact that the far right is gaining here is a sign of desperation and decay. There is no salvation for America. It will fall.

Again, how are they different to idpol liberals who espouse some revolutionary rhetoric? Both of these camps seem to fall into socially accepted "traps for radicals" except one at least lends half an ear to Marxism while the other larps at still living in the first red scare.

They arent, thats why its allowed to happen.
I do not believe dedicated liberals have any potential at all to become socialists.

There are two things to consider. The actual mechanics of the system. These the common person just doesnt care about, and never will. The mechanics are a method by which conditions can change, but people do not revolt because of political system, they revolt because they are unhappy enough to do so. And when this happens they are going to align themselves to an image, an optic, they are going to larp, essentially. The goal of any political idea then is to make themselves a fun and attractive larp.

Why does a peasant revolt happen? The economic conditions preceeding it certainly set the stage, but it actually happens because the peasants remmeber that you can peasant revolt, so they pretend to peasant revolt, and in doing so actually peasant revolt, and then chop off some heads.

Every action humans do is the human pretending to do it internally, and just going along with the fantasy of themselves doing it.

This is why the 'the left cant meme' is a problem. Fascism is more sexy, the masses dont care about class struggle, they care that they are unhappy and that they can vent their frustrations as an organized mob while feeling elation of their cool uniform, and its ok because there is a leader telling them to do it.

The reasons for the conditions never have and will never register to the general body of a movement.

We are at a stage now where just talking wont cut it. People are picking sides based on their internal larp, based on memes. There are decades of anti socialist memes circulating in americans heads. The simple liberal is no more resistant to them than anyone else, they will say things that may even be in line with socialism on occasion, but point out its actual socialism to them and they will recoil, because they are conditioned to.

You need to understand its all ideology. Marxism says its not an ideology, and that may be true of the mechanics, but the october revolution was fought on ideology, because the masses can only ever have ideology.
Look at the lyrics of varshavianka, far more people died knowing that than who have ever read capital.

I mean, Trump's election more or less radicalized me.

The October Revolution was fought because of PEACE, LAND AND BREAD. Concrete material demands. Most Russian people didn't know anything about Bolshevist ideology in 1917. They went with the Reds because the Reds promised to free them from the abject oppressive poverty of tsarism, give them electricity and bread etc. Most Bolshevik propaganda of the time was very materialistic. But that is beside the point.

I confess that I am not American, but from my perch it seems like your #metoo liberals are also SUPPOSEDLY anti-establishment, they want to storm the White House and crucify Drumpf and claim to oppose capitalism because it is racist and misogynistic. Yes they are idpolers. But so are their Zig Forums counterparts. Both are equally wading through the idpol mire. I don't see how either of them are more or less revolutionary.

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The establishment does nothing but appease them. They are against the imaginary establishment that doesnt. They are forever fighting against a thing that exists only in their head, and this thing being the enemy can explain their condition to them, no mater what it is, how bad or good, everything can be explained by it. There is no interjection there, they are sealed up and 'understand' it all with out any confusion or need to think.


Remember we are talking about the mobs now, as we are already forming mobs, theory time is over.

Currently, though i dont know for how much longer, anyone proclaiming themselves a fascist is there on intellectual grounds, and thus we can establish two things about them.
1. They are dissatisfied with the status quo
2. They have correctly identified that the status quo is not the fake one liberals have.
This means there is potential to convert them.
Remember i am not talking about systems, im talking about followers.

Consider what the average american based on media exposure knows about communism, and the nazis.
Communism: "communism doesnt work" and "it works on paper" and "bread lines"
This is more or less all that americans are fed about communism. even the 100 gorillion is not really mentioned, even the fake 'atrocities' are left out, it is censorship through obscurity.

Now what does the american know about nazis?
1. They built really good roads (and our infrastructure is failing…)
2. There was food
3. They had fancy tanks and stuff, very advanced engineering
4. Super weapons!
5. I heard they were working on anti gravity… and maybe even had magic!!

So who is left? The liberals are stuck in their internal idpol world, the intillectual fascists are fascists. There are the non liberal 'regular guys'. When it becomes clear to them the whole thing is fucked, do they turn to bread lines or occult extra dimensional flying hovertanks?
You think this is implausible, but this is how humans work, they desperately try to escape with fantasy, and all actual revolution has been people picking a fantasy and trying to make it happen.

Trump was the anti accelerationist candidate you retard.

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good post, satan.

You are REALLY overthinking. The reason for the strong anti-Nazi is because the USA needs to justify getting into World War 2 and so they can compare literally every enemy to LITERALLY HITLER like Assad is LITERALLY HITLER HE GASSED PEOPLE.

Lolberts fucking hate Communists so they've spent tons of resources on them being the WORST EVER and they hate War so they say stuff like the USA shouldn't have gone into World War 2 it was bad (lolberts think only Japanese was okay cause actually attacked). The Media calls literally anything that Whites want as LITERALLY HITLER in order to cause Idpol. And retards like ANTIFA call literally everyone LITERALLY HITLER.

All of this has led to Nazism being desentized recently, it wasn't on purpose it's because they are all retards. If they were as good as you think you and everyone here on the board would be rounded up and shot by the CIA.

the CIA literally questioned Zig Forums users to learn how to meme for psyops because they finally found it so effective at manipulating people. They aren't the final big end boss.

That said, Actual Nazis like say Atomwaffen or etc are gonna probably take advantage of this shit

Op is right. The last election fiasco pushed me harder left.

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Really? I don't see that. What I see is a bunch of liberals being more outspokenly liberal about liberal issues while continuing to ignore the basic economic problems inherent to capitalism.

Accelerationism is not simply about making things worse, nor is it about simply inspiring a revolution. Accelerationism is about accelerating the economic and technological processes which will ultimately make capitalism incompatible with reality. Amazon and Google are doing more to bring about the end of capitalism than a million antifa idiots and feminist protestors ever could. If you do accelerationism correctly, you don't need a revolution at all - the collapse of capitalism is an automatic inevitability.

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That's why google, twitter, youtube, patreon, etc are supporting fascists on such a large scale. Oh wait, they're actually banning them on a large scale lol. Dumbass.

basically same for me. Though, im probably going to vote for him again, since the dems will not put a good candidate and a meme president is better than a regular president.

Thinking accelerationists have any effect on the process is pure delusion. Capitalism can't be controlled. At best you are a cheerleader for capitalism.

You get banned because you can't stop sperging out and posting stupid and edgy shit. If you get banned because you are posting gore, scat and dead babies it's because it offends people on a visceral level, not because it unveils some forbidden truths. Stormfront and Daily Stormer hung around for years with no problems until they started making fun of the person who was killed in the Charlottesville ramming. Zig Forums, the_donald and dozens of fascist youtube channels with millions of views are still wide open. If google and facebook really wanted to stop creeping fascist indoctrination, they'd shut down all of those at once and that'd be the end of it. Yet they continue to willingly platform pretty much anyone who doesn't publicly sperg out about how the holocaust was a good thing. And yes, joking about gulags also gets you shut down like /r/fullcommunism

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How do Zig Forumsacks still not realise that communist media are the one who get shafted always? They unironically believe that we're the mainstream or something despite consistent evidence to the contrary. How do you even avoid reality to this level, it blows my mind.

Leftist websites don't really get shafted all too often either, tbh. Providers will host anyone who gives clicks to ads and pays for hosting. The whole "they're censoring us! No they're censoring us harder!" is silly. Propaganda and censorship nowadays is way more complex and subtle. Saying "Marx was right BUT what he actually meant is that we should tax the rich 1% more and provide safe spaces to trigender otherkins" is more effective at sabotaging leftism and encouraging fascists than just shutting down marxists.org.