way to deflect… besides venezuela calling itself socialist and is considered such by some, central planning always comes with fixed prices, at least that was the case in every centrally planned economy that yet existed.
and fixed prices mean there will be smuggling on the borders (unless you hermetically close the borders, which is an expensive undertaking - e.g. venezuela appearently wasn't able to prevent smuggling).
don't want to sound trotzkyist here, but unless you have a world revolution, or at least enough other socialist trade-partners, which was the case for COMECON countries, your centrally planned economy is a pipe dream.
Caleb Davis
I'm not cosigning the nebulous concept of market socialism, but I will defend the utility of co-ops. Over the time period since 2013 to 2016 unionization in the US private sector was below 10%, and falling by a paltry amount of around 0.1%yearly (to be honest at this point, it is hard to fall precipitously with how low it is).
Over the same time period, worker's co-ops grew by about 13%. A small amount, but I think co-ops are still an unknown in most people's minds, and it is important to note that it is growing. In addition, their growth can be constrained by norms, laws and regulatory structures in different states that hamper unique business models, but this has been changing as the political impetus to create more co-ops has resulted in bemused state legislators signing off on what seem to them like interesting "pro-business" legislation.
Given their opportunity for growth, I think irrespective of the goals of market socialism co-ops represent a way to expand worker organizing at a time when unions are being decimated.
Robert Bailey
wow… so this is the power of market socialist rhetoric
Austin Butler
No, it's just shit. And it failed just like Titoism, even more if you consider the fact that MLs had more than one try to do their experiment.
And I was talking about George Eliava btw, whose work went on to save the lives of hundreds of thousands of soviet soldiers in WW2 and was killed by Beria.
Lucas Sullivan
But not before being anally raped by Stalin. And afterwards his body was consumed by Molotov. How can people support ML after such horrors
Jayden James
How about a political party that subsidizes credit unions and workers coops. t.Boring centrist
Market socialism is just capitalism, but for people who sexually identify as leftists.
Isaiah Brooks
Meanwhile, in the real world, worker cooperatives and credit unions are sponsered by large corporations.
Lucas Allen
What we need is a political movement that would socialize the capital goods market. It would be a proper leftist reform if anyone would actually go for it.
