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The White House released a 72 page response to """"""socialism"""""".
Is this an instance of commies being BTFOed?
Or is this a sign that TINA is falling apart?
The Opportunity Costs of Socialism
Caleb Young
Jaxon Jackson
They don't fight you if they don't think you're a threat.
Michael Cruz
Carson Baker
Look at this shit, it is some fucking 1st grade level understanding of socialism.
So many mistakes here. Exploitation is not about distribution, but production. Socialism is not “when the state does stuff”, there will be no state in socialism. There will be no taxes either, because money will not exist. “Incentives” is bullshit too, if it were true “bourgeois society ought long ago to have gone to the dogs through sheer idleness; for those of its members who work, acquire nothing, and those who acquire anything do not work”. They bring up something about the calculation problem, which has already been debunked. Anyway, this is nothing more than right wing trash. It’s nice that we have them scared, that shows that we are getting more popular. I think more and more people are starting to see through this kind of bullshit.
Wyatt Ward
Should we try and to spam the Whitehouse mail servers with Arguments for Socialism by Cockshott until they get their heads out of their asses?
Joseph Reyes
The only people who'll read it have less than a 1st grade understanding
Easton Gray
This is good.
Cooper Price
lmfao it literally cites Conquest and the Black Book of Communism
Angel Jones
We should try to spam the White House with bombs until they get their heads out from under their necks tbh.
Kayden Stewart
I'm partial to Molotov breadbaskets.
Jaxon Lopez
Someone have furry pic about why we love capitalism on example several YCH
Hudson Harris
wew
Easton Cooper
program for the U.S. would make shortages, or otherwise degrade quality, of whatever productor service is put under a public monopoly.
It's literally directed against Democrats who want more healthcare. Not actual socialists. The White House is invoking Stalin and Mao as an argument against liberal socialized healthcare. Americans are so fucked, it's unreal
Joseph Brooks
this is the US government's response to socialism? I feel offended. they don't know anything, there has to be some backlash to this.
Zachary Robinson
Isaiah Myers
dude, it's america, what did you expect?
Jace Hughes
America is doomed
Adam Miller
Based retards
Justin Murphy
LMAO! Forget about C-M-C and M-C-M', THIS is how money works. What kind of world do these people live in? How can someone look at this nonsense and say "yeah, that sounds right"?
Grayson Carter
Just nuke my country already. Life here is suffering.
Joshua Brown
Quite the opposite. We’ve already gone from socialism being something people are accused of and thought of as something naturally bad to the White House feeling the need to attack it on ideological grounds (even if they have a warped conception of what socialism is)
Jaxson Campbell
Is that science? It’s just mysticism. It’s wizards inscribing pentagrams to impress their apprentices, calling up spirits from the misty deep.
Cameron Cox
I have no words. We truly do live in a society
Luis Anderson
I don't even understand this argument, I've seen it before but how does it make sense?
James Nelson
The American elites won't surrender hegemony without a serious fight. Expect a global war.
Joshua Hall
This shit is the sort of thing I point to when otherwise radicalized liberals say that they can't embrace/support socialism because it's a "bad word" or has stigma. They're going to call you godless commies anyway so you may as well actually live up to the title.
Caleb Barnes
I talking about great ability of capitalism to produce expensive useless shit
Jaxon Adams
Guys, chill. The political establishment is aware that some people are seeing the appeal of socialism again since capitalism is in decay. Everything about this is good.
Caleb Lopez
Good. Socialism could save America. And America doesn't deserve to be saved.
Carson Miller
No it means that the USA is gonna become full on Fascist and we'll gonna get into a World War that is gonna kill billions.
Actually…Communists always gain power after a World War. So it will be good.
Robert Flores
Are you fucking kidding me right now? Who the fuck cares about social entitlements when you're blown to pieces because some Islamic shit head from over seas blew up your city. The military is America's line of defense and crucial to ensure the safety of the people of the greatest country on Earth.
Aiden Stewart
10/10
Ian Lopez
JUST GIVE ME THE FUCKING SOCIALISM. WHY ARE THEY MAKING THIS SO HARD.
Dylan Price
Nope. America's national guard is the FIRST line of defense. Second is the USAF along with other military wings. Then comes the individual States' national guards as a defense. Then organized militias. The last line of defense … the very LAST line is all the individual Americans who are armed. Thats if all else fails.
Julian Sanchez
What's the catch here? I don't know enough about Cuba.
Chase Jones
Oh wait, I think I see it. They're picking a time that's just five years in the shadow of the instability caused by the Cuban Revolution.
I'm interested in data from the 70s and later, though.
Jason Green
This isn’t a response to Socialism. It’s red-baiting liberals, something American Conservatives always do. They don’t know what socialism is, and they don’t care. All they know is that if they call someone a socialist enough times they win reelection.
Samuel Russell
Imagine actually believing this.
Brayden Stewart
Shit like this draws me to thirdworldism but they're retards, and you're a degenerate mongrel as well.
Lucas Hughes
THEY HATE US FOR OUR FREEEEEDOOOMS
Jackson Wright
Easton Evans
I only briefly skimmed through it but there's a TON of cherrypicking. Is it worth responding to?
Gabriel Ward
It is not at all worth responding to. It is a joke that fundamentally misunderstands what socialism is and even how the economy functions on a basic level.
Colton Sanders
And how much of that production went back to the cuban people?
Nicholas Gray
I'm more concerned about the "data" they cherrypick. Seems like that's worth debunking.
Brayden Martin
You mean the country that beats you on most metrics used to measure standard of living?
Zachary Perez
Cuba is just slightly better off than the Dominican republic in all honesty
just slightly better than dr is this the power of communism
Joseph Ortiz
This. There was literally a civil war and introduction of an embargo in that period of course agricultural production fell.
Robert Thompson
Spam him a pamphlet about Communism for absolute retards.
Zachary Bailey
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Carson Green
Fucking hilarious.
Have a (you)
Ethan Bell
No because this “response to socialism” isn’t a response to Socialism. It’s purposely meant to misrepresent Socialism to increase turnout among the GOPs Boomer Voters who remember the Cold War all to well. This pamphlet has nothing todo with Socialism.
Carson Jackson
TAXES ARE ACTUALLY EXISTING SOCIALISM AND THE MORE TAXES THERE ARE THE SOCIALISTER IT IS
THE BOSTON TEA PARTY WAS RESISTANCE AGAINST SOCIALISM
FUCK THE COMMUNIST BRITISH ROYALTY
Lucas Rogers
MONARCHY = SOCIALISM
Robert Sanchez
The USSR was basically as monarchy under Stalin. It's closer to reality than you may think. It was a degenerated workers state with monarchical characteristics.
Elijah Lopez
SHUT THE FUCK UP FUTURE NEOCON
Jonathan Clark
STALINISM = PSEUDO-MONARCHY
Matthew Allen
Stalin wasn’t speeded by his son, or anyone related to him. You can’t call that a Monarchy.
Brody Gomez
No it was ancap paradise.
Daniel Collins
Jason Walker
Jose Gray
Of course it fucking is.
Liam Jenkins
Wyatt Jackson
Checks out
Juan Lee
Only read half of it, but so far it really feels like written by somebody who is 14 and wears a bow tie.
Adrian Robinson
cont.
Noting differences in how the term communism is used by Marxists and in more general discourse, they decide:
Kayden Hughes
cont.
I'll end my tirade (for today, I'll do the rest tomorrow) with some quotes from Kenneth Arrow's classic article:
Thomas Howard
The hilarious part is that there are so many countries all over the world that refute this point. I live in a country with universal healthcare and the only time we have issues with shortages is when the neo-liberal fucks in government cut the budget. But even in such a state, our healthcare system is still infinitely better than america's.
Josiah Diaz
This may make some radlibs question the gorillions meme. The whole argument is "gommunism killed 100 gorillions and socialized healthcare is kind of like gommunism"
Levi Scott
Several pages are filled to tell you again and again that a health-provision system like the British NHS would be like mass starvation of people after brutal forced collectivizing of farms (?). They seem to believe even the bad weather ruining the Ukraine harvest was due to Stalin.
Alexander Russell
This response is fundamentally and factually wrong and retarded… but not unsurprising considering what an Economics course in US Universities consists of.
For example, I have heard Economics professors go blue in the face claiming that that AUCTIONING is an efficient marketing strategy because the winner the one who is "Most WILLING" to get what is being auctioned…
The idea that auctions and their concept of "willingness to pay" being an optimal way of allocating resources is patently false because it is not a question of willingness but of ability to pay. Inequality means that willingness is not the issue here. This is demonstrated, for example, in the slave auction scene in One Piece (Saobody Arc). The Straw Hat crew were willing to spend every last coin of their treasure to save their mermaid friend Camie, but were simply unable to withstand the far higher bid of the Celestial Dragons. And yet by forcibly freeing their friend and thus asserting "justice" they violate the laws of capitalism.
Ethan Mitchell
US cabinet confirmed for monumental brainlets and this is just less than 1 1/2 pages in
Still, I recommend reading this because it's 72 pages of (concentrated) regurgitated anti-communist propaganda and ideology. If you can provide counters to all these "arguments", you stand a better chance debating this stuff IRL.
Henry Foster
Political positions don't live and die by how well they are argued or amount of evidence they stand on.
Cooper King
True, but people do remember when someone fails to formulate a convincing counter-argument.
Isaac Nguyen
Oh, no big deal, you just have to assume the marginal disutility of losing a dollar is the same for each dollar you lose when paying, and that it's likewise for all other people, and that you all have the same disutility from losing a dollar :^) Now let me tell you something: The problem with socialists is that they make unrealistic assumptions about human behavior and can't deal with individual differences…
William Carter
Time is a material condition, and progression of history(and global warming) waits for noone to make up their mind.
Anthony Ward
Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups
Read Lenin, Marx or Stalin for starters, or Cockshott if you're lazy.
Samuel Long
That was, hands down, the most embarrassing thing I've ever read, if only be virtue of who's publishing it. Burger conservatives really are d-egenerate brainlets.
Christian Reed
user… It was satire. I.e. what neoclassical economists actually believe*
Grayson Nguyen
S-sorry, I hear this shit unironically so much that at this point I sort of missed the hint.
Connor Rivera
Mooooooooo
Owen Bell
More quotes from the "study". About Venezuela:
Luke Ramirez
They say that economic "freedom" measured in aspects like a small public sector leads to great "prosperity", measured in the amount of money moving around in market exchanges. This is circular reasoning. With that measure, the act of giving to a person based on evaluation of their needs doesn't count, the act of giving in exchange for money does count. This cannot be used to meaningfully compare countries that have very different standards in what people have to get with their individual budgets.
The best simple indicator for prosperity is the average lifespan.
Blake Walker
In regards to health care in Sweden: It's true that we have user fees. It's not like the NHS in the UK which as far as I'm aware operates according to "communist" distribution. But the use fees lie around something like 20 euro (I don't remember I haven't been to the doctor in a while). We also have "high-cost protection", so if you pay commulatively something like 300 euro for health-care and medicin in a year, all the rest of your health-care will be free of charge for the rest of the year. So basically the idea that people pay out of pocket for health-care in Sweden as in the US is an outright lie, no one here is going to need pay 10 000 $ out of pocket for a necessary operation. My numbers may be off but that's the principle of it.
But we do not have socialized dental care, it was removed in the 90's. So in regards to dental that can cost you quite a bit without insurance if you fuck your mouth up.
Gabriel Campbell
Probably my favorite bit in this is the average American would make 24,000 less a year under Venezuelan style gommunism. I make $15k a year if you count my unreported income. I guess I'd just be a slave if there was a welfare net then?
Caleb Perez
A real quote from a real document written by adults:
Nolan Flores
Asher Bell
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Jayden Gonzalez
The state of american anti-communism.
Jack Cooper
Another real quote from the report:
Levi Hernandez
Robert Adams
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Luis Rodriguez
If you like tuna and tomato sauce- try combining the two. It’s really not as bad as it sounds.
Grayson Phillips
Molyneux-tier
Wyatt Ortiz
always coming back to this to laugh
i always knew americans weren't people