Did the Internet doom the World to Reactionarism?
It is the best means possible for spreading a Communist Revolution, Karl Marx would get on his hands and knees and suck everyone's cock to have this power to instantly communicate with fellow proles, but all it has made is ISIS, Aut-Right, Neo-Nazis, Cuckservatives, and so on.
The idea that internet is/was going to make people more progressive and radical is wishful thinking that should have died in early 2000s. All it does is to let people congregate in echo chambers and endlessly reinforce their prejudices through circlejerks. Facebook and Reddit just made it easier. Without internet 95% of Zig Forums's userbase would be reading Siege in their basements and killing themselves without any contact with like-minded imbeciles.
The internet is reactionary and should be shut down.
this is because reactionaries need pseudonymous torture chamberes to spread their ideas to other "people" with dark triad personalities without getting socially ostracized
radical ideas makes sense and can therefore be discussed irl
After the revolution, it can be used as honeypots to cull reactionaries.
did zoos doom babooms to live a nice peaceful idyllic life where they eat bananas and mangos all day and nice wypipo keep their cages nice and cleam?
YES
Glad you agree bab.oon poster.
Europe has to be the first to implement the new kind of socialism.
They're the guinea pig countries of socialism.
Also it can't be the old style communism.
All the experts agree on that.
Maybe the reason the internet tends towards being reactionary is because it's in the interests of those who spread those ideas? It's incredible that some leftists seem content to assume that fascism is simply birthed from nothing rather than manufactured and spread intentionally? The internet isn't a mysterious void through which we can communicate on a massive scale, it is as subject to the same material conditions the rest of reality is.
What I mean by this is that the internet is just another means of spreading the same shit. It isn't anything special or new.
It allows people with toxic ideologies across the globe to communicate and gaslight eachother, but it works bothways as it allows leftists like us to congregate globally.
Left wing groups have always existed on the internet, I think however the tone of the net changed post 08 crisis, it turned far more sour and cynical moving onwards, even a good chunk 4chan turned from fun chaos to unironic facism
The reality is that the internet is a punching bag for IRL happenings, the anger you see here is what boils underneath irl, and this anger reflects the dying American dream
The goal of leftism online should be to spread info about where a person's interests lie, the 1% arent the 1% for no reason, and the sooner people see their interest lies with the 99% the better
Yeah, when I was younger the Internet was fucking Left-Wing as shit. Like I got turned into an Anarchist because of 4chan's Zig Forums, I always noticed that there was a subtle Fascist sympathizing and low key White Nationalism where I used to be but it was never as fucking obvious as now.
Also no this is not a 4chan hate thread. Like there are spread hardcore Islamic shit, Arabic twitter is Zig Forums with scribbles. Also there is other stuff.
There were reactionaries before the internet, and there are reactionaries after it. The internet usage has no effect on ideology.
I would argue that the distinct structure and culture of the internet did have an effect on modern reactionary movements, but it certainly didn't simply arise organically from those conditions. It seems a bit careless to assume that fascism is unable to reinvent itself to fit new conditions
I don't think so. Being a reactionary is the just the "cool", edgy thing to be this decade, just like being an edgy atheist was in the last decade. Eventually, people will abandon it and it will become a joke.
A lot of these people are the same as the Germans in 1920s-30s, misguided people that were promised the world but were given dirt instead
Yes, yes it has, but it is only part of the problem that is perfectly summarized by the speech of the Screenslaver, from Pixar's Incredible 2:
“Screenslaver interrupts this program for an important announcement. Don't bother watching the rest. Elastigirl doesn't save the day; she only postpones her defeat. And while she postpones her defeat, you eat chips and watch her invert problems that you are too lazy to deal with. Superheroes are part of a brainless desire to replace true experience with simulation. You don't talk, you watch talk shows. You don't play games, you watch game shows. Travel, relationships, risk - every meaningful experience must be packaged and delivered to you to watch at a distance, so that you can remain ever-sheltered, ever-passive, ever-ravenous consumers, who can't free themselves to rise from their couches to break a sweat, never anticipate new life. You want superheroes to protect you, and make yourselves ever more powerless in the process. Well, you tell yourselves you're being "looked after". That you're inches from being served and your rights are being upheld. So that the system can keep stealing from you, smiling at you all the while. Go ahead, send your Supers to stop me. Grab your snacks, watch your screens, and see what happens. You are no longer in control, I am.”
In essence we live in a dystopia that is a mix of Huxley's Brave New World and Orwell's 1984.
It's true, I'm one of the experts
Lol no. That just means you aren't a threat, dumbass. Alt right/turd position/WN is far more threatening to the system, hence they silence it.
All that the aftermath of unite the right showed to the world that after the first contact with social pressures and real bodypolitik your movements melted away. There is no active need to silence you since you suffer from the same ailment as every single populist movement before you, first contact with real power makes your support collapse since you cannot implement efficient change despite how much your fatalistic mind demands it. This was the case with the true Finns party and its national populist predecessors and it will be the same for all of you. After Trump goes away the momentum stops.
Can we say that rally showed the disunity of the right? Just a pun I had to say, but that shit has blown up in the far-right's face. A whole week since the tiki march and the amount of losing the far-right did was extraordinary. They've managed to be persona non-grata on the only avenue that allowed their expansion on the first place: places where delusional and alienated men can exchange ideas while luring other delusional and alienated men.
The only people that are out there nowadays are literal austroturfed by Israel groups like Patriot Prayer that are full of Race-mixing Civic Nationalists and Trump has gone 100% Bush 3.0 (Obama was Bush 2.0).
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out of the loop here, how is Patriot Prayer supported by Israel?
They are paid by Middle East Forum which is one of the USA - Israel thinktanks. They went after Ron Paul as an anti-Semitic and caused the creation of Ben Shapiro
Just fucking nuke it man, I have too many people I want to beat the shit out of right now.
Same, I have a blacklist of people i want to gulag if a revolution happens
Imagine unironically thinking that the internet was responsible for this
No, fuck you and your orwellian meme, stop spreading his bullshit
Orwell was a fake socialist who had an axe to grind with ML states and created a ridiculous fantasy about the Stalinist state controlling everything so that his respectable middle-class social liberal friends could promote capitalist restoration and hope for an electoral route to socialism which would never happen
No lad, I don't think that's what that poster is saying, he's saying that it's strange that people pretend as if there is something inherent in the internet that somehow "creates" reactionaries from nothing and that this is not true; the internet doesn't exist seperate from the material world and is still subject to these forces, given how it operates. That's not to say that there couldn't be some kind of inherent structural critique you could make of the internet and how it affects communication but to make the leap that it turns people reactionary without some kind of concrete explanation is silly & idealist. The conception of the Internet as a Neutral space of Networks in which Information is shared and isn't subject to the actions of Capital, The State or otherwise is patent nonsense both in terms of through direct control of such from the outside and within, and there are countless examples of such, Regulatory Bodies & Communications Companies being driven and controlled by the same logic of Capital and Thinktanks astroturfing/botting alike.
You are such a moron
That was Animal Farm, 1984 draws 90% of it's parallels to capitalism, not socialism.
“So long as they (the Proles) continued to work and breed, their other activities were without importance. Left to themselves, like cattle turned loose upon the plains of Argentina, they had reverted to a style of life that appeared to be natural to them, a sort of ancestral pattern…Heavy physical work, the care of home and children, petty quarrels with neighbors, films, football, beer and above all, gambling filled up the horizon of their minds. To keep them in control was not difficult.” ― George Orwell, 1984
This is clearly a representation of AMERICA not the USSR you brainless git.
Lastly if you actually read what I wrote: "In essence we live in a dystopia that is a mix of Huxley's Brave New World and Orwell's 1984."
Where does the soviet union come into this? The fact that Orwell was a faggot is well known, that doesn't mean every single thing he wrote was wrong or that everything he wrote was an anti-soviet message. Get a grip.
is directed at
Not that guy but animal farm also showed that pigs pretty much became money hungry business men in the end. So I'd say it was showing how both societies mirror each other in the end.
The initial vision the animals had for the farm wasn't bad, if all of their laws weren't being changed secretly and they managed to stick to them it would have panned out well. The dream was corrupted.
Yes and that was an allegory for the USSR under Stalin. But I was referencing the Orwell dystopia of 1984 that focuses entirely on capitalism
Even on the internet, it seems as if the right is fracturing. The liberalists, passive-aggressive dramalords like Metokur and the neo-nazis more or less hate each other. These people will never form a mass movement, and all the right really has is old ass people, who wouldn't be able to do jack fucking shit against the younger more left-leaning folk because they are obese as shit and lack willpower.
If your ideas are as complex as a Disney movie then you have some problems
Pixar may be owned by Disney but they are independent. Regardless you aren't addressing the argument just being obtuse. It points out the ridiculousness of this society of spectacle.
Pure fucking ideology. What were these good old days of democracy, pray tell? The few decades after WW2 when moderate socialists had a space in the West because the communist international was a real threat which governments had to face?
This is what I'm talking about, Orwell and all his ideological "comrades" perfectly serve the bourgeois mentality. Don't go for a radical alternative because the result will be a horrible Stalinist totalitarian society, it's best to remain where we are because we have "freedom". Doesn't matter if you don't have a job if you have freedom, presumably the freedom to be put in Orwell's black book of dissenters which he sends to the British government.
Socialists as a whole should kill Orwell and bury him far into the ground with all his bullshit. He is a hypocrite of the highest magnitude, and presents possibly the biggest self-imposed pathology of the whole left, the fear of governing and taking power in society.
That's the point you dumb fuck, there isn't any good old days, but they claim there was and people believe it. because of nostalgia. All your ranting is precisely what Huxley was pointing out you fallacious fuck. You're just looking to bitch about nothing, and thus arguing with you is a waste of time.
this but ironically
the fuck?
You know there’s a problem when the only people pointing out the Spetatical, are the Spetatical.
Thank the Supreme Lord that someone else knows about this.
Also the internet/computer science is/was always a means of reenforcing 1950s hierarchical structures. Read the baffler article 'blame the computer'.
Freedom is a spook and anyone who rambles about it and holds it up as some sacred thing you should be wary of
The internet did nothing but prove Zizek's point about us all being evil and disgusting.
Fringe/extreme movements, left and right, are all threats to liberal democracy, your alt-right/WN ain't special. Liberalism consumes, sanitizes, and spits everything back out for consumption completely harmless because it's supposed to. Giving everyone a (cleaned-up) say is one of the foundations of it. This is exactly why it's doomed, though.
Could you explain more why giving everyone a cleaned up say is the doom of it?
Wew lad. Yeah, you’re so threatening to the system, the cops coddle you at every turn. Remember when a special House committee was set up to purge the government of white nationalists and blacklist media figures suspected of white nationalist sympathies? Or how there’s still a law in the books banning white nationalism? Or when the Espionage Act was used to perform mass arrests on white nationalist leaders? And who forget that period of time when the US government would invade countries or help orchestrate military coups on mere suspicion that the leadership might have white nationalist sympathies? It’s also crazy how immigrants to the US, to this day, have to disavow white nationalism to become citizens.
You’re not a threat to the system, dumbass. People react so negatively to you because you’re fucking dickheads.
or maybe it's because literally everyone hates you knowing your only goal is recession and genocide
Your limp-wristed farce is a threat to itself. We're just planning what to do when it inevitably crumbles.