Can we have an Paul DickBlast approved brutalism thread?
I'll start:
B R U T A L I S M
Asher Edwards
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Hunter Watson
NPC
Henry Nelson
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Grayson Hernandez
I still don't know what the fuck brutalism is.
Asher Robinson
it's cool ass architecture
Levi Collins
Ignore this poster.
It's not just architecture. It's a lifestyle.
Brody Edwards
It's an aberration, even porkies make better stuff
Jackson Nguyen
Well its nice to know he has good taste.
James Watson
Why do ☭TANKIE☭s love ugly shit ? Its like they exist only to pervert nature.
Tyler Kelly
Brutalism is supremely elitist.
Gavin Rogers
fuck off fascist.
Owen Reed
Brutalism isn't just a position taken in the field of architecture, it is more than anything an ethical position taken inside architecture. The brutalist building expresses two things:
1) the inhabitant's/citizen's relationship to the social whole;
2) the very same's relationship to nature.
While several reactionary architectural tendencies have been spawned under the Cold War era's Western bloc, one thing unites them all, structurally speaking: their relationship is first and foremost to capital, and optionally, in hindsight, they define this relation as a relation to "nature" or to the "natural environment".
"Nature" in architecture takes the same position in architecture as it takes in social ontology: a post factum posited something, to which one tries to "get back to", "relate to". When a reactionary talks about >muh_natural_hierachies, and so on, his conception of nature mirrors that of "organic architecture": this posited "good old times" to which we relate and retroactively (ideologically) create.
Brutalism has a completely different starting point. It posits humanity as a kind of aberration of nature itself; not just nature, mind you, but space, and sociability itself. Its inaugurating statement is thus: "we conquer, we rule!"
Apart from its relation to "nature" (the ideologeme par excellence) it bears a message about the Social as such: an egalitarian recapturing of – what so far all architectural tendencies has conceived of as – "harmony".
There is no harmony. There is no optimal social substance. What architecture can do, at best, is to serve our interactions, to express them, to facilitate and serve them. Its ethics stems from these statements.
If you are not ready to embrace brutalism you are on the side of reaction without understanding all of this.
Dylan Mitchell
Anything but, brainlet.
Adam Williams
Daily reminder that under the influence of the hegemonic capitalist aesthetic you percieve as 'ugly' everything that is true and valid.
Joseph Powell
Brutalist buildings covered in greenery actually look very nice.
Nathan Perry
Garden Brutalism is the future to look forward to.
James Morales
A man of culture.
Christopher Phillips
Presenting the 'alternative':
1: organic architecture;
2: romantic architecture;
3: capitalist-realist architecture.
Enjoy your reactionary/romantic/realist fantasies and how they manifest themselves in structuring our social reality.
Leo Murphy
WE RELEGATE THE SPACE "NATURE" MAY WISH TO RECLAIM!
Kayden Mitchell
Adrian Fisher
Aiden Brooks
is this quake?
Hudson Harris
meant for
Noah Hughes
False dilemma. Belle epoque, art nouveau, neogoic, neoclassical and stalinist gothic were all perfectly cromulent.
Matthew Barnes
That's more naked stone rather than naked concrete.
Connor Cruz
Brutalism is basic shit for pretentious young fucking white males. It's the only architectural style you can identify, and knowing it makes you feel smart.
Michael Russell
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Brody Hernandez
Gabriel Scott
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Jaxson Wilson
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Samuel Cook
literally the opposite:
Ryan Davis
That's the point, it's all just bourg architects out-woke-ing each other, yet never is the prole ever asked: do you want this?
Ethan Hughes
Lol xD
Henry Barnes
I am enamored with this post.
Colton Watson
0/10
Logan Carter
We need our homes to all be brutalist structures in order to withstand the oncoming of Category 9 Binary Hypercanes.
Kevin Russell
Anthony Fisher
Nicholas Cox
none of that would work, especially not residentially.
he needs to view humans and families as separate volatile explosives ready to go off if they are within too close distance of their neighbours / lack privacy from their neighbours / too close to their workplace where their manager bitches at them all day
Adam Perez
I have no idea what pretentious bullshit you're trying to say, but I love brutalism anyways
Easton Cooper
>>>Zig Forums
Cameron Collins
Something east euros get buttblasted over.
Dominic Adams
I want to marry this post.
Parker Clark
Brutalist architecture but with influence from neoclassical column layout when?
Jonathan Miller
I'm not the biggest brutalism fan but your taste is absolute garbage. Are nouveau is even tackier than organic somehow and the other two are just slightly better. Consider ending yourself.
Brayden Richardson
brutalism architecture 1
Jonathan Moore
brutalism architecture 2
Matthew Turner
brutalism architecture 3
Cooper Morgan
Socialist realism > brutalism
Parker Bailey
brutalism architecture 4
Asher Jackson
brutalism architecture 5
Brody Gomez
brutalism architecture 6
Jackson Taylor
Can somebody please explain to me in a non condescending manner, why yall are jerking off an architectural style? I mean, I'm not opposed to brutalism, but I'd find living in a city dominated by that style depressing.
David Moore
Leo Roberts
holy fug, those are nice
Bentley Sanders
tbh I still don't get it. So it's got "material honesty" in not trying to conceal what it's made of, and can understand appreciating the architecture as monument to the socialist culture from which it arose, but there's lots of people in this thread talking about it like it's "the end of architecture".
Michael Wright
Brandon Lee
Nothing wrong with either. Just as production needs to be subjected to need, architecture will need to be subjected to the appetites of workers. Whether that's glass towers, raw concrete, or theme-park-esque romanticism.
But the problem with cities today isn't architecture, it's urban design. Which primarily reflects the interests of the ruling class: A focus on cars and glass spires for the bourgeoisie, while workers are preferably kept out of sight.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with decadence. Read Bataille.
Evan Lopez
Yeah I find aesthetic Fetishism pretty counterproductive. The goal, if you're interested in the function of aesthetics in politics (which if you're a good reader of Lenin, Lukacs, and the Frankfurts, you really should be) the goal should be toward articulating a new leftist aesthetic, instead of mere replication.
Joshua Walker
Is it wrong if I love Art Deco?
David Flores
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Angel Rogers
you really should base your opinions on architecture more on experience with actual real life buildings than on pictures of them.
I like brutalism because most of the brutalist buildings ive been inside were really pleasant to walk around in because of how they were designed, and they looked monumental and cool in person. but, pictures can only hint at either of those things.
David Ortiz
For me, it is this library I used to go to as a kid. Also I like how strong they feel/look, it is like when you are in a building of that style you are in an indesructable fortress. Beats some flimsy stucco caked, wooden, American house, that provides no significant privacy.
Adam Green
Brutalism is a remnant of state capitalism.
In my mind a socialist house would be an austere house made out of simple materials.
You know a house made for use value instead of commodity production.
I think soc dem countries represents more of the true vision of what socialism was supposed to be like.
Hunter Long
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Nicholas Robinson
The goal of socialism in advanced capitalist economies should be to slow down production not ramp it.
Lincoln Hall
Brutalism is a spook
Jason Powell
Stop using that word if you don't know what it means.
Dominic Gutierrez
Bet you also get buttmad at the Stalinist "turn to conservatism" in art.
Matthew Green
all garbage tbh
Leo Brooks
Josiah Nelson
Kevin Bell
I actually hoped that howard whould be in this thread.
Jordan Rodriguez
To me there's something incredibly comforting about it. I feel safe and comfy inside one of those steel and concrete fortresses.
Jordan Bailey
ITT: formalists
James Thompson
kill yourself please individual houses are a waste of space and very non-communist.
Noah Morgan
Brutalism is the very expression of doing the sci-fi utopia in real life. A plan for relaxation place designed for communal use, like a swimming pool with all the proper interior design of a people's palace of relaxation.
Think about it this way. Heat flow outside of the building is given by the heat conductance of insulation and the total surface area.
Small houses have large ratio of surface area to number of inhabitants. Big buildings have small ratio. Underground buildings have the best ratio when it comes to cold climates and walls exposed to the below zero temperatures.
There is a reason why serfs in feudal russia were living in underground houses called Zemlyanka. When it is -20 degrees celsius outside, it is better to have your side walls exposed to +5 degrees of stable temperature underground.
When it comes to optimization for heating and air-conditioning, large buildings are more efficient from this point of view. Also the labour intensity could be less per an inhabitant. But that needs more thorough investigation.
The goal is to make the most efficient social production. Capitalism has a lot of waste due to inherent commanding of the capital and the production for exchange. Production for use guarantees the best efficiency of material production.
With the ongoing deindustrialization, what you say is already happening in capitalism. But this can be seen as removing the annoying obstacle of the C in the transformation chain M -> C - >M', where the wall street bankers would like to see M -> M' in function.
Ryan Ramirez
huh the last pic is from my university. it's a large hospital
it used to be the most dominating structure in the area by far but a huge glass tower is being built behind it currently
Gabriel Harris
Concrete is simple as fuck.
Aaron Nguyen
The Roman fucking Empire used concrete. If there's anything wrong with it, it's the permanence. Socialist housing would ideally be adaptable, modular even. Not in the sense of pods for each person, but in the ability to add features organically to buildings as easily as possible. Concrete has pretty huge advantages that override that though, including durability and heat retention. You can even 3D-print a concrete building with the right mix (very thick).
James Jackson
This. Concrete > wood every time. The only issue is that it apparently releases shittons of CO2 though.
Jeremiah Roberts
G R E E N B R U T A L I S M
Austin Clark
You fix that by COVERING IT IN PLANTS
Alexander Reyes
Is this what we mean when we talk about dialectics
Jose Bailey
Yes please.
Got more?
Colton Howard
I can't help but think of all the fucking bugs in the offices though
Julian Kelly
wtf I love brutalism now
Christopher Jenkins
Brutalism is the opposite of efficient, it came out of the same movement that scarred our cities with motorways. In being an expression of a "sci-fi utopia" it is just that: irreality. It takes no account of heating costs, long term maintenance, walkable neighborhoods, and so on. It's telling that the pictures with "green brutalism" are literally just shit covered in foliage, in stead of cities engineered to be sustainable.
Nicholas Nguyen
lovely
Evan Reed
these buildings are all fucking ugly
Ian Johnson
Blake King
Brutalism is bad solely because concrete requires maintenance to not look like "festering post apocalyptic hellhole"
Mileage may vary on gray cubes, I don't like them but mostly it's because in college you could tell from a mile away the brutalist buildings because there were either rust drippies from rebar that got exposed from weathering or blackened grime from the faces that nobody can be bothered to powerwash
imagine pretending to like the aesthetics of something because of an ideology you attach to it like some sort of reactionary rube
Brandon Adams
I feel like a tiny bit of shear force would cause that to topple pretty quickly
I don't know a whole lot about concrete but I'm an electrician and I know concrete pours usually involve giant gas powered vibrators (seriously it's an industrial dildo and it looks like a proton pack) to mix up the concrete after it's poured.
Benjamin Lopez
This stuff really resonates with me. With the rise of capitalism, we have created ever more elaborate personal compartments. Everyone gets their little space separated from everyone else. We've lost track of the way streets and villages were themselves interconnected spaces people lived in.
When they got more wealthy, the Western working classes tried to emulate the image of the bourgeoisie. They didn't realize that that lifestyle was largely about signalling social status. Wealthy people don't have large self-contained houses because it's practical. It's an easy way to impress guests and feel important about yourself, but not a practical way to live your life.
Ideally, I'd like to people to live in small single-room apartments containing basic private necessities, surrounded by lots of common spaces providing luxuries and social activities. These common spaces should form small communities, and these communities should in turn be interconnected into a larger cityscape.
Doing this will be more efficient and social. Both are important considerations. Taking care of children, elderly and disabled people will be much easier. You simply have the community do it. If specialized care is needed you make sure someone qualified lives there. No one misses out on living a normal life.
This is because they rarely have actual contact with each other. You know your neighbor as this alien creature that lives next to you, and sometimes protrudes into your living space. When you have to deal with them personally, you will learn to appreciate them.
How about we just don't that?
Josiah Bennett
It's actually a bit different from regular concrete. Effectively you'd want the layers to mix a bit and bond with each other. That pic is just a prototype demonstrating the concept.
Wyatt Stewart
I want to make comfy brutalist castles.
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Nolan Gray
no, u
Dominic Roberts
dumpan some soviet brutalism/futurism
Ryder Morales
Christian Torres