Wtf…are Americans insane...

Wtf…are Americans insane? They even worship their founders like infallible deities and carve their faces on the side of mountains! Wouldn’t it be hypocritical if they cried about personality cults?

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Being spooked by ideology is often perceived as insanity, yes.

In all seriousness though, 'all personality cults are bad, regardless of ideology. I can understand making some statues after their death, like what they did with Che and Allende but it's legitimately irks me out how so many people here fully supports cults of personality and see them as a necessity of socialism.

personality cults are a symptom of advances in human communication and can't be avoided unless the government resorts to blackout.
the only thing that can be changed is whether people worship good people or bad people.

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Where did Marx write that?

What do you mean? There's never been a personality cult where I'm from.

Nowhere? Dude, why do you assume everyone here follows Marx by the book? Those are the leftcoms, and they're a minority here.

t. Garl Margs, page 20 of the communist manifesto.

HORATIO IS ACTUALLY EXISTING COMMUNISM

MADE BY THE HORATIO GANG

Shut the fuck up.

Of course not everyone one here slavishly obeys every word of Marx, that would be stupid and dogmatic. The scientific content of Marxism remains true though and to distort that is revisionism to the highest extent. What I do not see are these people who allegedly claim that cults of personality are a "necessity of socialism"

Capital volume 42 page 69:
"Leftypol is totoally dumb, like, stop it with the Stalin memes."

unless you're from some eastern european village that's stuck in the 18th century then I doubt it.

TERRAFORMING PLANETS INTO TUNDRAS IS ACTUALLY EXISTING COMMUNISM

MADE BY SOWER GANG

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Can we all admit that Sankara handled the issue the best?

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I'm from Chile and unless we understand differently what a personality cult is I guess there's never been one here.

Look, obviously it's not everyone here but the two examples I remember from here are a guy that said personality cults are necessary because "revolutionary sentiment dies down after war/sabotage etc and needs a cult of personality to revive it" and "cults of personality are good, socialism needs a face"

Yes, where have you been for the past 400 years.
Retard.

I gotta agree with this, also Castro did it pretty well too, I mean he went as far as to not allowing streets to be named after him oh and including after he died, that's really admirable of him.

so what do you call the worship of music artists and soccer players that goes on in your culture?

Come on, man that's not comparable to what was done to Stalin and Mao. Look, it kind of is a personality cult lite but it's very different.

Based

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How can a man be so based? Such a fucking shame what happened to him.

What exactly is wrong with revering heroes of socialism? People are obviously very grateful to the people they idolize. I feel like personality cults aren't necessarily the worst thing in the world. It can help a society constantly be reminded of the way that the heroes of old ran things which can help prevent revisionism or serve as a reminder of the initial goals of the country's founders if revisionism or a necessary deviation from the original path ends up occurring. In China for instance, Deng's reforms were likely neccessary to allow China to stay alive and strengthen itself in a global capitalist. However, Mao's presence in Chinese society serves as a reminder to the original goals of the Party's founders. Now that China is on path to take over superpower status from the US when it inevitably loses it, Mao's legacy will help inspire the transition back to socialism that will occur in the coming years. Simply put, it's important not to lose sight of your goals.

While I agree with this, why start personality cults when the leader being deified is still alive? And even when they do die they shouldn't go overboard with it, a few statues here and there is fine. But why have Stalin's/Mao's/il Sung's face everywhere? Is this necessary? Idk why it bothers me so much, but they are literally treating them like perfect gods. It goes way overboard.

Truly the most base comrade since Lenin.

I'm sorry, but don't most countries have statues commemorating important figures in their history?

I agree with you. However Americans are brainwashed into their dogmatic ideology. They're brainwashed with the illusion of freedom.

I see cults of personality just an inevitable outcome in most movements political. As humans we like to project ideas onto individuals naturally. Therefore fighting against it seems almost futile.

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south dakota only did that for the tourism money since their state was not notable for anything else, that was literally caused by capitalism

No, the original problem with "personality cults" is that it could mean anything. Much like all criticisms America throws at foreign countries. Respect someone's skill? Wow you're a worshiper absorbed in their personality cult! Think highly of someone and appreciate their deeds? Wow what a drone! Personality cult!

Leader worship and nationalism in America seriously is out of control. If you don’t stand for the special song, worship the flag and cheer on the troops for slaughtering innocents in endless wars you’re an evil anti-capitalist freedom-hater. Teachers used to get butthurt if you refused to stand for the pledge and you’d often get accosted for it

America has always been this way. The best thing about Trump is that his ascent has forced the rest of the world to start imagining a post-American world order.

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Stalin IS god. Nothing wrong in worshipping him. Soso bless!

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Washington was very popular but that mural wasn't done until 1865. The civil war was extremely unpopular in the north (the troops that fought in Gettysburg marched up to NY immediately afterward to put down a riot) so they invented a civic religion to get people to want the country to keep existing. Its where we got the constitution fetish too.

They stepped it up a notch after WWI to keep the Russian revolution from happening here. The Mount Rushmore carvings were done during the Depression to make work and prevent a revolution at the same time.

Only if you went to a school full of cucks. No one stands for that shit after elementary school.

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Carving mountains is badass but the original plan had buffalo bill and red cloud, way better than boring aristocrats.

>Around the time the song Star of Korea was being spread, my comrades changed my name and began to call me Han Byol … meaning "One Star". It was Pyon Tae U and other public-minded people in Wujiazi and such young communists as Choe Il Chon who proposed to change my name into Kim Il Sung. Thus I was called by three names, Song Ju, Han Byol and Il Sung. … I did not like to be called by another name. Still less did I tolerate the people extolling me by comparing me to a star or the sun; it did not befit me, [as a] young man. But my comrades would not listen to me, no matter how sternly I rebuked them for it or argued against it…. It was in the spring of 1931 when I spent some three weeks in prison, having been arrested by the warlords in Guyushu, that the name Kim Il Sung appeared in the press for the first time. Until that time most of my acquaintances had called me by my real name, Song Ju. It was in later years when I started the armed struggle in east Manchuria that I was called by one name, Kim Il Sung, by my comrades. These comrades upheld me as their leader, even giving me a new name and singing a song about me. Thus they expressed their innermost feelings.
t. Kim Il Sung in his autobiography

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good, quotified

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I mean founding myths are nothing new, they existed since antiquity. It's just that America is a very young nation so they went and produced their national mythos from scratch. Kinda same with Soviet Union, Lenin and George Washington are both comparable as "founding heroes" of their respective countries.

Really? We had to stand everyday almost up to high school

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Mt. Rushmore is ugly and was cut into mountains stolen from natives, but there's nothing inherently deifying about building statues of people. We've made lasting images of historical figures since forever. It helps people imagine history when they have faces to put to names.

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BLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, YOU GOMMIE

So, stealing things is bad when Americans do it, but commies stealing land from kulaks is fine?

This board is fucking hilarious.

The kulaks were stealing from the people working the land.

Yes.

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mfw I'm explaining how DPRK is an evil dictatorship

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>>>/cuckchan/
>>>/reddit/
>>>/oven/

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Triggered amerimutt nazis will never not be funny.

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Well… yes. Context matters. It's like comparing self-defense to murder, you are seeing hypocrisy where there is none.

>>>/nigger/

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it's really not though. people love to quote those uneducated people on twitter like ☭TANKIE☭s do with Stalin and Mao, but just because they're talented. I'd rather the population worships well-read people at the very least, instead of sellouts.

because they respect their culture

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For any non-burgers out there, it’s worse than you imagine. You can tell who is and isn’t an old-style American conservative (not aut-right) because they use tons of archaic language for no other reason than because that’s how the Founding Fathers wrote. Expect to see the word “tyranny” to be thrown around a lot.

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Even in school I seriously could not fucking understand why everyone would just nod along and say 'yeah makes sense' when people describe investments just returning profit forever. You give someone a fixed amount of capital or resources, and you are entitled to a cut of what is produced, forever. Meanwhile, the labor used to turn resources into capital? Nah, they get a wage I guess but you know, not too much. We got investors to satisfy here

What I'm saying is, nearly every American, but especially those that didn't grow up in poverty, have been conditioned their entire lives to think that capitalism is not only inescapable, but ideal. What's even more insane is its not even a cynical Adam Smith type of propaganda where the labor theory of value is understood but the people doing labor are to be marginalized as much as possible. People just straight up believe they don't deserve a full share for working