Colombian president Ivan Duque proposes to Bolsonaro to organize a joint invasion of Venezuela

colombiareports.com/colombia-suggests-alliance-with-brazils-far-right-bolsonaro-to-overthrow-venezuelas-government-report/
Do you think this could actually happen? If so, do you think the US will also partake in the invasion? Bolton's dogwhistling about Venezuela as part of a "troika of tyranny" and the new American sanctions imposed on Venezuela made me wonder if a secret agreement between the US, Brazil and Colombia to attack Venezuela isn't already being made.

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economist.com/the-americas/2017/07/06/the-brazilian-army-is-turning-into-a-de-facto-police-force
reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics/venezuelan-army-civil-militias-hold-exercises-after-trump-threat-idUSKCN1B60KA
venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/13968
venezuelanalysis.com/news/13932
businessinsider.com/ap-venezuelas-maduro-seeks-to-expand-armed-civilian-militias-2017-4
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colectivo_(Venezuela)
cnbc.com/2017/04/24/venezuela-asset-seizures-raise-concerns-for-other-sectors-gm.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iván_Duque_Márquez
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jair_Bolsonaro#Christianity_and_secularism
theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/19/cuba-president-miguel-diaz-canel-modernise-economy
radiorebelde.cu/english/news/diaz-canel-there-will-be-no-room-in-cuba-for-capitalism-20180419/
huffingtonpost.com/entry/cuba-and-capitalism_us_56f52bf0e4b0ea8862ebf27f
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Yes.

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Ok guys I'm hoping in the case this does happen you all volunteer to fight for Venezuela so the same thing that happened to all of South America in the Cold War doesn't happen again.

Why not let it die?

I just hope Cuba doesn't get attacked. Venezuela isn't a bastion of Marxism anyway, only of anti-imperialism at best, and its people are already fucked now (although an invasion won't make things better). Cuba on the other hand is still actually existing socialism or at least the closest thing to it we currently have on the entire globe.

The fucking UN peacekeeping forces are a more capable military than the Brazilians. The Brazilian armys exists for two reasons, torturing teachers and getting paid. The Colombian army would be stupid to leave their country when a third of it is under the direct control of the ELN, literal armed communist revolutionaries. Chavismo will win.

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Seriously? Teach me about the ELN, please. I have/had literally (literally) no idea they existed.

Frankly I think if PSUV is toppled by force it'll convert enough of the tired and poor to full communism to cause world reaction more problems than it had with PSUV in power.

3% of the Venezuelan population is under arms, it has some of the highest guns per capita and guns as an absolute number of any state. The Colombian and Brazilian militaries are shit tier. Legit imagine Vietnam but it is being fought by Franco and Salazar.

How? I doubt a communist group inside a US-controlled country can "cause world reaction more problems" than a government that is itself fairly leftist and anti-capitalist.

Will the majority of these Venezuelans pick the right side though?

ELN was started by radical priests in the 60's (same time as FARC-EP) to help peasants after the period in Colombia called La Violencia where the liberal and conservative parties were rioting and shooting at each other. They've been playing second fiddle to the FARC for decades but since FARC turned into a political party two or three years ago, ELN are now THE good guys with guns in Colombia. They keep going back and forth with a peace deal but it might not be happening thanks to Colombia electing their own Bolsonaro.

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Is that map up-to-date? Such a large part of Colombia is still more or less under the control of FARC?

These lads seem based af
What have they actually achieved? What are the areas under their control like?

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Get the Guns.

The only thing that keeps Brazil from attacking is the Air Force that Chávez put all the money into.

And BASED SOCIAL DEMOCRAT SWEDEN is giving Brazil jets that are specially made to defeat the type of jets that are there.

What if the US joins though?

IIRC, it was a glitch in the peace process. So instead of transforming FARC to a local legalized militia or an irregular force under army control, they was dismantled and a huge power vacuum ensued.


Also the logistics. How are they going to get all the necessary hardware and men to Venezuela? If anything, it would be more rational if Venezuela and Colombia invaded Brazil.

economist.com/the-americas/2017/07/06/the-brazilian-army-is-turning-into-a-de-facto-police-force

To expand on this.

Sweden keeps its Social Democracy by having a Military-Industrial Complex, its two really good military exports the JAS 39 Gippen and the JA 37 Viggen, who where designed to have Western Performance with Russian Tolerance they where designed to operate in the depths of the worst winter you can have in Europe (the Grippen was prety much the best airframe for this made by a western country and it's radar for it's time was amazing for poor weather), and the Viggen was designed to operate without a static infrastructure i.e. short TO an LD using motorways, loose fuel quality tollerances (that admittedly bit it in the arse a few times) and a very flexable payload.

There is then a few small arms and a few other technological developments it's made for cold weather, or production efficiency by cutting the unessisary out, aiding in streamlining efficiency. However, Sweeden has one major problem it's not been to war in a very long time it has not got a culture that's mentally set up for a prolonged tooth and nail fight that's trying to rely on clever engineering to win a war quickly rather than a slow grind.

The Gripen is made to Counter the latest SUs that were made by Russia for Venezuela. See Russia and China have this relationship, China gets all the money and has Putin as a Puppet Ruler so that they get sweet Oil, Russia builds all the Jets and Nukes.

First Units will be coming this year, in 2019 more, 2020 will be 100% ready.

Sauce on that? The only thing I can find is an article mentioning some swedish MANPADS.

Adding to this post, the mercenary groups used by narcos **And trained by Jews* are still a thing and they also have significant hold over the Colombian territories that are not main cities, case in point The EPL that is being used as a front by narco warlords in order to landgrab and are swelling in numbers by welcoming the Venezuelans that left ther country.

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Reminder that ELN is unironically CHRISTCOM GANG. As in, literal catholic communists.

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Dont know much about QOL in ELN areas but they do a lot of industrial sabotage to protect the environment.

The US would be taking Vietnam level Ls if they invaded and turned Caracas into Fallujah

No Really. Get the Guns.

When this final battle happens between West vs East it's gonna be final. There will be no room for us at all.

You gotta understand. The Baby Boomers are literally prepared for a World War 3 between Russia, Iran, and China and USA and Israel because of MUH EZEKIEL 38 and 39.

They literally think that this will lead to eternal paradise.

Get the Guns.

I don't think a majority of Vietnamese actively supported the Vietcong, just enough. Once an invading army enters your country, the default "defenders" tend to garner the support of nationalists.

You guys seem to have fixated on the old ELN ways, by now the group has devolved so much that they are no different than african gangs fighting over resources (drugs, gold, diamonds), by no means they retain capabilities for running a country and their leftist rhetoric was forsaken long ago, they just use "revolutionary" imagery to draw in the impressionable and then use them as slavers.

Are they wrong though?

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i fucking told you so leftypol, when the colombian election rolled around, i told you that this duque motherfucker will invade if he ever gets the chance, you fuckers didn't pay any attention


nigga literally what?, they wouldn't get that even if the soviet union was still around, they are pretty laughable now, you are going to have to give me some hard sources with less than two years of age for me to belive you


area of influence is not area of control, it's not like they took these zones from the control of the government, they are simply the areas they hide in, and on which they can conduct operations, and extort money out of people, if they actually tried, they wouldn't be able to hold these


literally this, all guerrilla groups in colombia have proven to be shit, most of them are drug cartels with red characteristics, they operate like fortune 500 companies, and when their territories get taken by the government they yield and become regular sucdems, it's always the same, this has been happening since back in the 40s, when rojas pinilla forgave the very first guerrilleros, we've seen this tale like 5 times already

I wish this were true but it sounds too optimistic. US involvement in Latin America hasn't gone sour for them like it did in Vietnam and Korea.

There are millions of active Chavistas though, at least a few if them are going to resist a foreign occupation and a foreign imposed puppet government. If the Taliban can survive and win, so can Chavismo.

Venezuelan army, civil militias hold exercises after Trump threat
reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics/venezuelan-army-civil-militias-hold-exercises-after-trump-threat-idUSKCN1B60KA

Venezuela: Popular Militia Advances
venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/13968

Venezuela to Launch Local Defense Committees as Maduro Makes Changes to Top Military Brass
The government will incorporate the country’s civilian population into national security plans.
venezuelanalysis.com/news/13932

'A gun for every militiaman!': Venezuela's president wants to beef up armed civilian groups
businessinsider.com/ap-venezuelas-maduro-seeks-to-expand-armed-civilian-militias-2017-4

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Perfect choice for Vuvuzela
ok retard

If the US invaded I would absolutely defect and try to join the Bolivarian militias, they're badass

So much for the anti-gun left :^)

Reminder there are also ultrachavist militias that go around called Colectivos.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colectivo_(Venezuela)

When the exodus is big enough, invading Venezuela and trying to unfuck it can be cheaper than trying to help recent Venezuelan immigrants, which could become 10% of your country's population.

They hold exercises, but how capable are they? Is that even measurable?

yes
yes

They will be behind it, investing and financing the armies of colombia and brazil

that's certain, but I don't know if being on the ground would actually not be a good thing in terms of public opinion

Based

Is anyone in that militia under 60 years old?

Yeah, we all know that's what right-wing military forces do when they invade a country

I like how the wiki article doesn't even pretend at objectivity and just goes around screaming that they're "crime organizations."

Emigration would continue if they left it fucked, so invading would have been pointless. If Colombia does something, it's to stop the influx of Venezuelans.


What do you think "crime" is?

If that invasion happens, don't let your soldiers forget that the president of Brazil publicly admitted to fuck a chicken.


Can't wait to spit on brazilian soldiers coming back home.


I double that question, last I heard of them was about how most of what they are doing is taking the blame for everything drug traffickers do in the region while getting nothing.

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What will you do when they kick your ass and send you to jail for a bullshit number of years?

I like how the threat of Brazilian and Columbian invasion just give an excuse for Venezuela to expropriate even more firms.

I've always thinking that Maduro were a social democrat faggot. I didn't even know He expropriated firms, can you share the source?

cnbc.com/2017/04/24/venezuela-asset-seizures-raise-concerns-for-other-sectors-gm.html

Make Comando Vermelho look like child play.


FULL COMMUNISM INSTEAD

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Both Chavez and Maduro have been doing it for a while.

Social Democrats always either end up swinging over to either communism or neoliberalism. Good on Maduro.

This, the oil companies were literally trying to coup Chavez out of power

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iván_Duque_Márquez

Goddammit.

Holly shit, based!!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jair_Bolsonaro#Christianity_and_secularism

Don't these idiots realize that they are going straight to hell?

Are you actually expecting ideological coherence from someone delusional enough to believe in supernatural bunk like Christianity

He was going to hell for being a right wing Italian shithead whose family was probably chased out of the motherland by partisan fighters screaming Bella Chiao. Being a non secular Christian would be less of an affront to God than his wash out army captain bullshit.

Vuvuzela acquiring nukes: when?

lel

If China or the DPRK wanted to give them nukes now would be the time

proofs?

you realize Cuba is becoming more and more neoliberal every day since Castro died?

Wut?

But maybe it will? It will unify the nation, purge the opposition and force the government to actually do things. But only if it will win against the invasion.

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theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/19/cuba-president-miguel-diaz-canel-modernise-economy

radiorebelde.cu/english/news/diaz-canel-there-will-be-no-room-in-cuba-for-capitalism-20180419/

I would imagine the younger guys are in the army

Based fucking mod. About time this shill cunt was banned again. Fucking slimy imperialist cunt.

Though the rat will probably return on his VPN, why don't you just take the hint? Stay at Zig Forums.

huffingtonpost.com/entry/cuba-and-capitalism_us_56f52bf0e4b0ea8862ebf27f

Kinda edgy, no reason to want Cubans to die even if they fend it off.

t. Zig Forums

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Makes me think….

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How the fuck is Brazil gonna invade Venezuela? The border is almost entirely jungle and there is literally only a single road crossing which is two lanes wide.

Invading via Colombia seems more likely idk.

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I would support this if the country produced their own weapons but as it stands either they will buy them off russia/china/israel and end up draining their wealth even more for faulty products.

Or creating more lawless zones under no direct control of either their government or their opposition.

mate if you want AK's (faultless forever) latin america is the place to go. This and some minor explosives is enough to fight an insurgency, even though venezuela has a proper airforce to back this up

Mate, they get their guns from Cuba.

Who fucking needs leftists countries, MIright?
It's not like even at their most liberal and revisionist places like Libya and the USSR were incredibly useful for leftist movements around the globe…


Yeah, this was the perfect opportunity for them to start a factory and make some money selling weapons afterwards.
Why those fucking succdems keep buying weapons
but fucking refuse to produce them?!

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They can only do it if they go through Colombia, that's why Duque is proposing a joint invasion. The Brazilian border is also many hundreds of kilometers farther from Caracas than the Colombian border.

so would an invasion through columbia be able to get anywhere, or could they just bottleneck it like with brazil

Getting anywhere on land is still pretty hard. Cucuta is 858km from Caracas, and Maicao is 820km from Caracas by car according to Google.

Classic Zig Forums, I can't wait until we're at the point where the board literally consists for 100% of drooling "anti-imperialist" NPCs

Adding: Just look at the map lol, getting there by boat is a million times easier.

I just stopped by from Zig Forums (terrible board in it's own right) to see if this place had gotten any worse and after seeing that I think I got my answer. You people are pathetic for continuing to post here.

Columbia is a direct US puppet so american troops or military advisors are more than probable. But foreign invasion could unify Venezuelans and latin american countries are not famed for their military strenght and without a strong US support things could end up in a stalemate. Defensive positions in the rainforests sound like Vietnam 2.0

Finally some good news from there.

VZ leadership seems to be completely fucking retarded and incapable of doing anything but keeping their ridiculously petrochemical focused economy ticking over.
Oil is cheap you fucknuggets diversify your economy and stockpile it for a bit. They had fucking decades to prepare for this.

Ugh, as if I wasn't angry enough. Yeah, this ain't some shit like the CNT in Spain where the counter-revolution knocks at your door the next day after raising your flag, they hold power since fucking 99!


Great analysis. I thought the mods were supposed to be the sectarian ones.

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Why would I go die in a fucking jungle for a country that refuses to nationalise so much so that the avarage european country has more public ownership than they do? Nevermind their retarded economic policies such as pegging their currency and funding food rather than giving money to the poor.

If it was the USSR still existing in current year I might have gone, but I would have probably moved there soon anyway.


The US doesnt have a terribly good track record of fighting in socialist jungle nations.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

Has Venezuela taken Syria's place as the mods' new favorite capitalist country that is above all reasonable criticism and is to be regarded as a socialist workers' paradise?

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lol

It's not just a US puppet, it's an actual US city.

Most young people would be incorporated into the military proper militias are never meant to be the front line battle formations outside of deseperate situations.

I imagine young people who tried to emigrate but couldn't pretending to have done it. "My son? Oh, he's staying ilegally in Colombia."

Russian Aks and equipment in general is hardly defective or bad. In comparison to some US stuff it's a bit outdated but for the most part it's all good quality and reliable.

illegally*

Even if support was high, not many would want to have a gun on their hands.

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It's honestly a toss up, when it comes to foreign invasion the population will either stiffen itself to iron against it or completely capitulate.

35% of Venezuelan exports are sent to the gringos, they're not exactly "off USA's teat"