Why is it so fucking hard for Red Liberals to understand that not only would ending racism, sexism...

This is a good effort post and i agree pretty much 100 percent

Tbh I don't think we can stop them. We should just try to distance ourselves from idpol and attempt to talk to people without using terms like "socialism", "bourgeoisie", "proletariat" etc.

I understand not saying bourgeoisie and proletariat but why let them get away with taking socialism from us? Wouldn't it make more sense for us to say we're actually what a socialist movment's theory and praxis should consist of so that it doesn't further confuse the issue by trying to re-brand yet again

Just keep an iron message discipline. Being every conversation back to class issues. When class issues are not being discussed, bring it up. If neccesary, mouth a platitude about how being ant[identity] is bad and then pivot.

So
First thing i want to say is that the idpol left mostly dominates in the US(and maybe in other anglo states)
But in most countries people realize the difference between actual leftist and liberals
Also KKE is conservative cause most of there voters are paris commune veterans and think homosexuality is a sin
And in Russia the lgbt communitie needs some help
Now what shall we do about """"" sjw""""""
I think other anons did a better job that what i could do>>2707155

There's this website it's called www.reddit.com you should check it out

Where in my post i said anything good about liberals?

Go back

Are you fucking retarded?

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I think the biggest problem is illiteracy. None of these idiots ever read Marx,Bakunin,Lenin or any other writer and theorist. They identify as left because they are against trumpf, but ultimately they are brainlets.
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You know what, yeah you are right. What we should do is explain what socialism actually is, and debunk the retarded belief (that even some leftists believe) that socialism is "muh government doing things".

these. most Burgers and Anglos are uneducated as shit so they can really only fit in with two poltiical categories: reactionary or anti-racist reactionary. we could try educating them, but if conservatives even see a citation of Marx or any other historians that don't fit the Neocon narrative in their history books, they'll just start screaming and crying about Cultural Marxism brainwashing their kids.
the most merciful thing to do with these nations is let them fuck themselves over until they die. there is nothing else that can be done.

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no infograph will ever be able to address the historical nuances of communist revolutions. upon looking at this any uneducated person could simply say "real socialism has never existed then", and using only the information given to them in school, they subjectively wouldn't be wrong.

correct, but brainlets can't handle more than infograph, otherwise they would read books and not be brainlets.

Same think could have been said about merchandise during feudalism,and capitalism during mechanism. The whole point that it is yet to be achieved.

Funny how OP got shut down in the other idpol thread so he makes another, like this board needs more.

This won't work if nazbol morons get mad everytime we call something racist.

Go look at the Contrapoints thread if you think it doesn't

Yeah reposting stuff that's still up from literally two days ago doesn't make you look like a desperate moron at all.

Go back to reddit

Go back Zig Forums

why is it so hard for communists to understand that they do not have a silver bullet for racial hatred and that it will exist as long as the disparate races are forced to live in proximity to each other?

the only ones who have a problem are you and people like you

everyone who is forced to actually live in a multiracial society has this problem

8ch.net/leftypol/res/2704082.html

Read the OP getting owned over and over in the other thread lmao

go back to reddit

imagine being such a spastic weirdo that you actually want everyone to be equal because you’re fully incapable of being exceptional

Wow Bat'ko sure invited an influx of tumblristas huh

The funny thing is most of the people obsessed with SJWs and gamergate were refugees from reddit. Go back to your containment board kekistan newfag.

Why does Zig Forums has this weird idea that the masses love them
Thats the reason you guys always end up on the news as terrorists
I remember a nazi in my country(after a mass shooting) asking his father(from jail) if the people remembered him like a hero(ofcourse they did not)
Where does this idea comes from
Nazis existed from the 50s and while in the 30s fashists had an easy time rising to power ,you guys have made no progress

Appropriating leftist rhetorics but swapping class for race, like fascists always do. The problem is that there has never been a single fascist regime that came to power in a popular uprising while there have been dozens of socialist revolutions driven by class consciousness.

Orly? Is that why cities and neighborhoods within those cities naturally segregate themselves into their proper races? Or why, 58 years after the passage of the 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧Civil Rights Act🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧, subhuman blacks and beaners are still taking to the streets thinking there's some imaginary discrimination by dem cr-cr-crackaz n shiet; and are more likely to get along with their respective race as opposed to intertwining with each other? Why are untermensch 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧leftists🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 unable to see these patterns?

The only thing forcing different ethnicities to live together are the effects of capitalism. So if that even is an issue, and I know you have no evidence, it would not occur in a world where economic disparity, bourgeois exploitation and imperialism do not exist. get ye gone

You mean proper nationalities, not races
People go to the ones they feel closer so people that speak there language
Also are you claiming blacks arent discriminated to some level in the USA(well tbh everyone gets descriminated in america)

lmao what a retard; the right hardly ever needed low-iq peasants—with the aid of Jewish finance—to sperg out and overthrow a ruler; we utilized the 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧democratic process🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧, that you kikes love to extol, and gained power through popular appeal. What follows is true security and prosperity for the people, as opposed to using them as disposable pawns for just barely enough subsistence to survive.

If I may try to expand on this: Zizek talks about the case of the jealous husband, who accuses his wife of sleeping around. "Even if his evidence is correct, his accusation is still pathological." Meaning that even if he is correct, his accusation comes not from evidence itself, but the underlying psychological condition of being insecure, now ascribed in this scenario to his wife. When you argue against a nazifag, you aren't just debating facts or narratives, but an underlying psychology. Nazifags are drawn toward the authoritarian mindset, le ebil j00z is just made up after the fact. How a person argues begets their underlying psychology rather than just the facts themselves. Since it isn't so much the facts, but rather, how the facts are presented. Zizek also expands on this in his critique of ideology, REMEMBER: "it is perfectly possible to lie in the guise of truth."

The biggest mistake logicians, philosphers, and debaters alike make is the misguided belief that everyone values the same thing. They believe it's as if everyone really wants love, family, community, equality, happiness, and so, but somewhere along the way in their search for these, some people "lost their way", "took a wrong turn", and ended up at fascism. And as soon as the logician points them in the right direction, the person will alter their course accordingly. Such is not so. Some people truly don't want things like equality, or communism, not because they're misguided, but because they have different values. They don't really give a shit about other people or collapsing of capitalism, they just to be the top dog, no matter how many people they have to step on to get to it. I recently had a debate with an american "libertarian" (read: neoliberal) about how capitalism exploits the third world and if this qualifies as freedom. Know what he said to me? "If 3rd worlders are enslaved, it's because they deserve it, because they refuse to fight back against their oppressors. Slavery is a choice." Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.

One of the biggest problems underlying the fascist mindset is the sense of entitlement. Entitlement gives you a feeling of being granted a special status despite not actually having earned that status. It's the reason Tartlets trace, it's the reason athletes take steroids, it's the reason the basement-dwelling nazifag feels himself apart of the mastur raec despite not having accomplished anything in his life except for not having killed himself already. Entitlement allows you to bypass all the effort of ACTUALLY having to devote years of your life to artistry, train years to develop superhuman endurance and strength, and to feel like you've contributed anything to humanity, let alone the white race, by having made an accomplishment such as discovering the cure for polio. Interestingly enough, it also embodies the liberal mindset, they feel entitled to equality without having to actually WORK for the equality, it's much easier to make the government do it, or rather, to complain on facebook about the government doing it, rather than actually having to take a stand. But if they do get a concession, they'll be the first to claim credit for it, as if their actions had anything at all to do with it. Paid for that entitlement, may as well get your money's worth, yeah?

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Entitlement comes in 2 flavors: "I'm better than everyone else, so I deserve special treatment." and "I'm worse than everyone else, so I deserve special treatment." Doesn't this sound like the no gf narrative? "I'm a nice guy above all these asshole Chads, so I deserve to have a girfriend, but also I can't compete with Chad, he's got money and looks, so I need state mandated girlfriend." The nazifag tends to hold both at the same time and convienently switches narratives when it suits him, much like he does when accusing the jews: "The Aryans are the master race so we deserve to take over the world, but also the Aryans are at the mercy of the evil all-powrful Jews who want to destroy our vulnerable race." This gives them the feeling of being both superior, and being the victim, at the same time. If you want to undermine any worldview, look for the conflicting narrative. What about the conservatives? "Immigrants will move into our country and take all of our jobs, but also immigrants are lazy so they'll refuse to work and leech off our welfare system. And what about the liberals? "We don't needs a revolution because the system can be used to achieve equality, but also the system is broke, it allowed Trump into power." This gap in thinking is what leads to conspiracy theories, a la "Russian hackerz", however even if this WERE true (which it's not), it means that the system allowed this hacking to happen, so it's still broke. Imagine if your computer was working fine, but one day got a virus; that proves that your computer's antivirus wasn't capable of preventing a virus, so it allowed this to happen in the first problem, so this problem is just as much the virus as is the antivirus. Remember that bible story about Adam & Eve? Eve was created innocent, but she took a bite of the apple anyway. If she was truly innocent, she would not have eaten the apple in the first place, so how can she be truly innocent?

Entitlement gives you a feeling that you're superior to others, it's elitism. As Zizek puts it, many of us envision a world without a supposed other/out-group/oppressor; the nazi envisions a world without "lesser races", the liberal envisions a world without the hatemongers, a conservative envisions a world without immigrants, a slave envisions a world without his slave master etc. but they all fail to take into their own position within the system that defines their role and don't see that their own role would need to radically change if this other/out-group/oppressor stopped existing; in a race or any other competition, a loser imagines himself as being a winner. But in order to be a winner, there has to BE losers. If there are no losers, there are no winners; the loser's position is defined as in relation to the other position, any decent Marxist knows that the role of a proletariot is in relation to the bourgeoisie, and class is in relation to the means of production. I can't remember who said this, but "There were no atheists back then", meaning that back before things like pagans, christians, religious people, etc. there were simply people who did not believe in a higher power, and there was no need to ascribe a label to these people because their position wasn't in relation to a higher power; it wasn't until religion came along that being an atheist was an actual thing, a label, because now these non-believers needed a label to describe their lack of belief in a higher power against the labels of those who DID believe in a higher power. In that same vein, the basis of entitlement is the nazifag's whole position. If you actually proved to him that blacks were just as capable as whites, that kicks him off his high pedestal and reduces him from being the almighty aryan god to being just another individual among individuals, and the nazifag simply CANNOT allow that, because you're saying that he's not special, that he's worth just as much as everyone else, thus you're attempting to kick out the sense of entitlement from under him. It's the same reason conservatives threw a bitch fit when marriage equality was signed in, because in their minds christian marriage was "special" and when you introduce gay marriage, it's like you're saying my marriage isn't special and that those filthy homos are actual people just like us.

Entitlement makes you feel good, it's a drug. Like all drugs, it can be addictive. The nazifag will make excuse after excuse as to why he's not a winner to hold onto that high just a little longer. So what is the cure for entitlement? To show them that it's a placebo effect. You feel good, but you haven't accomplished anything. Your entitlement is escapism that prevents you from actually DOING things out in the real world, from actually making an effort so that you could be rewarded by actually having earned a sense of accomplishment. If reading theory is the accomplishment that makes you feel like you actually worked for your education, entitlement is the shitty BRAIN FORCE+ that you buy from the cornerstore that gives you a sense of enlightened euphoria despite not having learned anything or became more educated as a result. The real question, in the matter of entitlement, is NOT "what do you want?" but rather, "what are you willing to sacrifice to get this?" The leftist sacrifices his time to read books and build a coherent theory to understand the world. A nazifag sacrifices his nuance watching reactionary youtube e-celeb videos and $30 for a bottle of "red pills" that promises him the same thing. Anything you want in the world, you must work for, time is the most valuable resource you have, so use it wisely.

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Nearly every country from south of the American border speaks Spanish, retard; and, though it hardly qualifies as such, darkskin chimps all speak English. I don't care about the beaners, because they shouldn't even be in the country if they don't speak English, but if the darkies love muh 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧diversity🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 so much, then why don't they integrate themselves with whites? Why can't they learn to accept multiculturalism?

can't we actually ban discussion about this topic

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pewsocialtrends.org/2008/01/31/do-blacks-and-hispanics-get-along/

pewsocialtrends.org/2015/08/19/exploring-racial-bias-among-biracial-and-single-race-adults-the-iat/

pewinternet.org/2016/08/15/blacks-more-likely-than-whites-to-see-and-post-race-related-content-on-social-media/

Tell me again why we need more contentions, kike.

So much for the politically incorrect Left

When an american goes to germany he will try to find another american so he can feel a sense of community if the other american is white,black or pink does not matter
Now darkies whining about whites would be less if rich white families like yours never lived the gehtto
I am not suprised you did not understand me tho..

Nothing you posted even comes close to contradicting him. For that matter, claims of "race-war" mentality among Americans are contrary to evidence that violent crime has rapidly declined for decades (and, y'know, killing someone because you hate their ethnic group is a crime). It's pure media hype by companies that get more viewers when people are angry and afraid.

that is where you are wrong, negros are an entire subculture of their own the majority of them do not even speak English they speak their own variation of it that is barely understandable (African American vernacular aka ebonics aka jive aka moon cricket speak)

for the record I don't even like other white people all that much but non whites are insufferable low Autism Level barbarian ape people

You are right here, a lot of Serbs I know that left to work across West Europe and the Middle East said that not only do they try to find other Serbs to bond with, but they will make friends with Croats as well.

"Real" English does not exist. If you think Ebonics is hard to understand, you should try listening to some people in the UK talk.
Black culture, as you perceive it, is American culture, which has always been regionally varied. There is no difference. They have much more in common with white Americans than they do with African immigrants, the latter will attest to this.
We know. Why do you think white leftists exist? Nationalism being in our self interest is laughable.

You mean that in the end people put their material wants and desires first?

IMAGINE MY SHOCK

lol you're an idiot fam

So you admit that people feel more comfortable around their own kind? Glad we're on the same page…

That's right, goy, every white person is a multi-gorillionaire who employs slave labor and feeds them a diet of cockroaches and lake water. Poverty isn't exclusively a nigger trait, retard; maybe if they didn't have subhuman Autism Level, they could actually work and earn a decent living wage.

You know, I come to this board sometimes and I find myself stunned at just how fucking stupid some of you really are… I was replying to his intimation that there's 0 evidence that people, except for le ebin nahtzees, have no issue with living near other races, when the map I posted shows that nearly every neighborhood in Judeafornia is naturally segregated (the only integration is coincidentally between the two smart races, but facts are just fascist, am I right, goy?), and the links which follow show that there is friction between essentially all races to some degree, especially against white people.

Its understandable for an american to not understand basic human needs
Years of education and propaganda along with you lonely lifestyle(i am sure about the last one) has make you less of a man
But do not lie
An average discussion on Zig Forums Zig Forums is as hard to understand as discussions in gangster foroums
But i will give you an example
I live in an area with a lot of pakistanies,armenians etc Despite are cultural,religious and biological differences we have develop a connection cause we lived under the same conditions in the same area
If you ever get drafted for the army you will understand better , people get a sudden connection ,they talk about ideas,traditions,places and trends they know
Imagine how hard it will be for us to talk if i did not speaked english or i did not understand that poltards have developed a stupid slang

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Learn how linguistics work, "fam".

Obviously racial tension exists in the US, but the idea that it is natural and unchangeable is laughable. And even if it wasn't, it does not change the fact that people forced to live around and work with people they don't like is a result of capitalism.

Never said the last one
In fact in my previous post i said that everything in america sucks
We can see for example many african american gangs that have opened to white and latino members, race does not matter when interest are at play…
Yes but we do not mean the same kind
You have a deeper conection with a latvian nazi than and american leftist
We both have a greater conection between us than a tumblr kid xause we are "chaners"
Its a part of our nature that has nothing to do with race but with knowledge of common topics
But also when survival is a problem we would work easily with the foreign
And lets not talk about the fact that things like white and black races are constracts

standard English definitely exists regardless of how many varying dialects fit under its umbrella, furthermore not all of these dialects are equal in terms of their mutual intelligibility with ebonics being an especially divergent deviation from it, it is basically a pidgin to even call it English in the first place is a pretty big stretch, even the most atrocious cockney dialect of east London cannot hold a candle to how unintelligible with standard English ebonics actually is, don't reply to any more of my posts you low Autism Level subhuman

that is not really helping your case honestly, the fact that you are bragging about having surface level conversations with members of another race just show fucked things really are

I am not braging
I am trying to explain something from your alien point of view
You are just denying logic at this point or atleast trying to see it in a manner that wont destroy yoir worlview

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you really think I don't have mundane conversations with brown people?

oh yayyy the neighborhood is crawling with belligerent Pakis who push drugs and rape women but at least the one Paki behind the counter at the local dollar general shoots the breeze with me whenever I pop in to patronize his business right?

ROFL give me a break

We hardly have a debate at this point you have build a strwman so huge i cant hear you
I specificly talk about deep connection, you talk about mandane conversations
I talk about freindsip due to common experiance ,you talk about drugs and rape
The fact that you cant understand any of us prooves that your theory about racial understanding is false

If that were the case, then you would think Mississippi, the poorest state in the nation, would be a little more multicultural right? To smash the capitalist "fash"? Well, hate to break it to you, but that's not the case; they're just as segregated as nature intended.

Show me one piece of evidence of a nigger gang with enough whites to be considered "diverse"; I won't hold my breath.

Pseudo-intellectual philosophyspeak makes you sound low-iq if it's a retarded maxim, just so you know. What kind of argument is that? You didn't even go out of your way to pick a nigger country (which interaction, by the way, would hold almost no amicable discussion, considering black nationalists are ardently deeply triggering and problematic; they don't even like other nigger tribes lmao).

Did you know that Autism Level is twice as heritable as height and eye color? Guess which race has the lowest Autism Level, which trait is consistently reflected in labor, education, economic, crime statistics. Not to mention, that this implied race has more of a genetic relationship to a bonobo monkey than to a human of European ancestry. These are defining qualities which encumber the majority of said race; if such a trait can apply to the masses of the race, wouldn't it be fair to say that this race has distinct qualities which separates it from the others? Some would argue that this is grounds for these differences to be concrete… Well, some who aren't retarded/in denial.

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All those sources say is that people of various ethnicity don't see eye to eye. Fucking nobody here denies this, what we deny is your pea brained analysis that this is some kind of inherent trait, that each "race" (an unscientific category) has some inherent negative disposition toward other races. By your view, this is either some nonsensical genetic code, or it's some metaphysical spiritualist answer. You utterly fail to grasp the historical and material roots in conjunction with dead simple psychology, as to why there is racial tension in the first place.

Just for the record, /leftyjew/ doesn't like facts or reality, so where it says "deeply triggering and problematic", I meant "a n t i - w h i t e."

uh huh, you made a "deep connection" with that one Paki, I'm sure your neighborhood crawling with a thousand other pakis who you couldn't talk to even if you wanted to because they don't speak English and want you dead was worth it

think about how many deep connections you're missing out on if your society was racially and culturally homogeneous along with the general improvements that homogeneous societies bring

but who am I kidding, it's pretty obvious you're just another non white invader yourself desperately trying to justify his presence by singing about the joys of diversity

Replying to intimations and not addressing the core of the comment is a nice evasion.

So then for what other reason would there be enmity, retard? Are you just going to cout

The largest gangs in many parts of america are unions between many gangs
Some white,some black ,some hispanic
Dude the average american is as educated as a nigerian so maybe i should have
Still stop stealing from europe we all know you have nothing in common with a latvian
And thats why i did not
Tho you have more in common with a hotep than a normal white person has with you…
The whole thing about race is stupid and would destroy the debate even further
Also if you really cared about Autism Level you want to support us as we ofer a cance for all people to rise due to there inteligence

Yes you are right
I am happy to inform you that i am not anglo and i do not live in a english speaking country

There was nothing to address. You made a comment that capitalist Jewry was somehow responsible for racial contentions with no argument to back it up. Maybe learn how argumentation works first, and let the adults speak until you do.

Only you angloids come from neaterdals you fucking apes we in the south and east are pure homo sapiens

Considering you're a leftist, I'd tell you to stop stealing from Jews, but you can't really steal from your own kind can you?

So it's a moot point. The differences are entirely based on race, so, by conceding, you made yourself look like an even bigger retards. Congrats, that's not an easy feat.

Lmao, I'm starting to think you're one of those sub-Saharan niggers considering how awful your English is.

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I'd think he was more up your guys' alley considering how much you idolize kikes.

Zig Forums never called itself politically incorrect. that's what Chapismos love to claim. we're just anti-idpol.

anyone who has ever publicized your movement has announced support for Trump. I'm positive you've sucked their dicks by now.

True dude everyone smarter than you is a jew
Even your Autism Level tests says that
No i meant that cause you are bot racist retards you could not become friends:)
Anyway i guess you could dodge arguments all day so..

Nice projection. Do you have any actual arguments, or is even that too hard for folks with double-digit Autism Level?

Why is it that Nazis are always the worst specimen of white niggers? Something is going on here. Maybe the only way they can distinguish themselves from pathetic black gang members is by making recourse to the color of their skin.

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that's funny because it's you homo-hating self-loathing closet niggers that always turn out to be the people dressed on swastikas. it's you always forcing the muh nigger cuckold fetish down normal ass people's throats. regular people don't think like you, and no amount for meming will change that. take some cyanide before you mow down more bystanders from the mental illness cognitive dissonance causes.
also there's less than an 8% chance your Autism Level is higher than mine.

What reasons for enmity? The social dynamic that people from different lands have when differently exploited is going to create a major division. Poor immigrants from Nation A move to Nation B, are given the same jobs at lower pay and are generally mistreated. They live in the same general area because that's the type of place they can afford, thus they don't socialize with the native population. That's a recipe for enmity, especially when there are obvious visible distinctions. Immigrants from nation B and a native underclass still compete.
Whites are not derived from neanderthals, whites have a fraction of their dna, basically, you're a mutt. Also they were nearly "hunted to extinction" in Europe, not africa. I couldn't find a source that there was a directed neanderthal genocide.
Capitalism forces different cultures together, because the capitalist nation robs them blind, and the only option to escape abject poverty and war is to move, often illegally, to said capitalist nation, because that's where the opportunity for a slightly less shitty life is. It's awfully curious how the bourgeoisie put aside their differences more readily than the impoverished, and how those who manage to find financial security tend to escape ethnic ghettos.

Dear God you're an idiot.

Maybe he's an actual European white man and using English as a second language.

I mean, the same could be said about some Scotts, Welsh or Irish. They've got extremely distinctive dialects, much more difficult to understand than African american vernacular. Yes, there's departures from the structure and grammar of typical English, but nothing that reduces the clarity of effectiveness of the language.

Best motivational shit I've read in a while

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Nice try at projection Chapofag now go back, you didn't even read the FAQ or the rules before shitposting

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Literally what the user you responded to claimed. He was only wrong in that we have technically referred to ourselves as "politically incorrect," which we only did in copying our name from Zig Forums.

that's some A+ science you got there user

Correlation does not imply causation, but it does strongly suggest it. And we can describe the mechanisms behind what we're arguing. You're being a pseud.

where is the causal mechanism that shows Social Justice emerged to shut down OWS?

All I see is the implication that COINTERPOL operatives were behind the implementation of the progressive stack. Even if we grant this (I have seen no concrete evidence of this), how would it demonstrate the claim that the wider propagation of socjus was intended protect wall street?

You don't need cointelpro. Just George Soros like figures co-opting the movement in order to make it harmless.

George Soros literally did this with Ferguson.

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