In your ideal communist society, would schooling be mandatory? If I had the choice to go to school or not I wouldn't have went, my childhood would have been much comfier that way.
But is it too authoritarian for you to force schooling onto children? Or necessary?
Without a doubt it would be mandatory.
If I were in charge, schools are they presently exist would be abolished and replaced with socialization centers for young people. You'll be expected to go a couple of hours a day and engage in both study and other activities that may interest you. Instead of teachers there will be counselors tracking your progress, and encouraging you to take your future into your own hands. If you seem to be under-performing in your educational achievement, they are there to confront you with it, and help you look for solutions.
Teaching itself will happen largely digitally or between students. You'll have access to endless free educational materials via the internet. The point is that you determine your own interests and engage in them on your own terms. Next to this, there's a large learning community on the internet, where students are expected to educate one another on the subjects they're trying to tackle. When you write an essay, this essay is published online (perhaps to a limited audience, to maintain children's privacy), which then critically engages with it on its own terms. Other students are encouraged to write responses to it. You are encouraged to write responses in return. We can develop a wiki-like space where students collect their understandings of various subjects, and link this with ideas that other students have had. You'll link all kinds of resources that have caught your eye and share them with your peers. You'll develop your own educational resources and illustrations. This way education becomes a social activity, and comes to play a dominant role in the life-world of the students.
Eventually, this community of learning should encompass higher education as well, and also become a platform for serious research. Adults have access to the resources as well (although again, privacy options will be available and applied for children up to a certain age).Then the barriers between science education, science popularization and science proper are all erased, and the whole society takes part in a common process of discovery.
Some minimum standard of education would be necessary for children in socialism, its simply necessary to ensure proper educational development in not only literacy but mathematics, history, and the arts. Childhood is the most critical time of ones education as the lack of an early quality education can lead to both a series of psychological and developmental problems as well as quality of life issues later on. You should have the choice of going to a trade school instead of a traditional high school if the job your thinking of pursuing is what could be considered "trade work" It's what I did and the school should include on the job training and the like.
In communism most necessary labour will be unnecessary given automation, and it isn't too radical to think some forms of education will simply become automated as well. There will most likely be a minimum standard still, but it will be up to you to improve yourself further with your leisure time.
Absolutely not.
Correct. But muh chilluns and muh learnin arguments proposed by the authoritarian-left and soccer moms will be made irrelevent after the work day is cut so much that parents will be expected to spend more time with their children. I once remember a child saying "I don't get the point of school, the internet already knows more than everyone in that place combined." Wise words.
I dont fuck with dumb ass ideas like that.
Yes, modern society requires educated people. We, the Communists, require educated people. The educational system we currently have is obviously shit and just…. seemingly absolutely tainted with the "mass production, identical consumers" ethos. It will hopefully be different in a Communist society. Perhaps not.
No and yes. I don't really know what to say to that. Other than…
Absolutely.
Yes, but it would work very differently from current school. Much more emphasis on both training for actual jobs and on teaching critical thinking.
It depends on the material conditions.
If automation has advanced to such a point that we don't need a massive army of educated workers anymore to maintain our society, then schooling would not need to be mandatory. They would only be recreational at that point, and what few educated positions are required could be easily filled by voluntary schooling. Until then, though, it MUST be mandatory because it's the only way to actually sustain society.
Why?
so people can be educated?
Yes, school should be mandatory. Don't let anarchist dogma get in the way of the simple fact that sometimes people need to be nudged to do things for their own and the common good. Not acknowledging this universal fact means you'll keep capitulating to literally anyone else who understands this.
Like hell would I've trusted myself when I was younger to go to school if it wasn't mandatory and even a bit strict.
Every Cuban I've met has been really well educated. They also have all those doctors. We should just copy whatever they're doing.
Where I'm from school as such isn't mandatory, but education is. So if you choose not to send your kids to school they still have to pass exams and such through homeschooling. I like that and would implement that in USSR2.
Might as well let them have private schools if you are going to let people who aren't affiliated with the socialist state indoctrinate children. All school must be done by the state. Homeschooling would be extremely illegal under socialism.
I would imagine and hope that in such a socialist society, education wouldn't be handled by a monolithic school system that uses the same methodology for every combination of subject and student learning style.
It's not like they can't indoctrinate their kids at home either way, and as I said, they'd still need to pass the exams, they'd still need to learn whatever the ministry of education decides.
There needs to be twice or thrice the number of teachers. Or more. Education would be an immense endeavor under socialism, including training. Maybe comparable to Defense today.
Yes, but reformed so as to not be so autocratic. The schooling system has barely changed in the past century, while numerous reforms, bells and whistles have been added, at its core, it's basically the same it's always been. Democratise the education system, root out intellectual elitism, and educate a new and hopeful generation.
Schooling should be mandatory until a certain point. What we'd really need to do is change the university system fundamentally.
Not only will public school be manditory, but the bullying of nerds will also be manditory.
But you'll leave the nazi nerds alone, right?
They will form an orderly queue to be wedgied
authoritarian is such a buzzword
a childhood in socialism is already much comfier as there's a much richer cultural program and possibilities to socialization as all those spaces are freely available
the SU demonstrated it, you only need to bother to actually look at it
however future schools should be more engaging and flexible, and while the SU was far better, there's different problems to deal with today
but i'd never go out on wild fantasies i might have on this issue and declare them as "socialism"
Would you say leftypol is filled with more left libertarians? or authoritarians? Second day browsing this place and I’m… feeling the fires of the revolution already.
Fun mix of both, it's as easy to get theory on Bakunin as it is Lenin.
Leninism with anarcho-syndicalist characteristics is the true tendency
At some point we decided "left libertarians" had to go to >>>Zig Forums but this almost killed this board and we've come back from it.
Hell no. Schools would exist but they would be voluntary. Schools would have to be transformed into something that doesn't give 6 year olds panic attacks, but it wouldn't be hard to get little kids to go to school if they were enjoyable places.
High school is another story because teenagers are assholes, but who cares. High schools are day care centers for young adult so they don't cause trouble. No one learns anything in them.
Rich kids go to fun experimental schools, plebes get the prisons
how can you say to make school voluntary
are you some sort of ancap? can they consent to fucking? no? but somehow to laying down a foundation of their education, that's within their reason?
probably adults should be forced to attend some kind of community thing, and not just kids. i mean i dont really see anybody outside of work for weeks at a time. thats less by choice and more that i'm just very broke, though
What everyone seems not to realize is that a big reason eastern european countries switched to capitalism was because they were never properly educated on Marx's teachings and young people reee'd because they wanted American shit
Most level headed people agree the age of consent is too high…maybe kids should have mandatory schooling until a certain age at which it becomes their choice.
how else would you brainwash then into leftism lmao
BASED and REDPILLED lmao
this
libtards owned
Now that’s what’s I like to hear OwO
Not Marxist.
In my "ideal communist society", schooling would be off course mandatory.
I can understand this. Therefore is the only communist answer is, to make school more "comfier".
I've got some news for you: Every form of education is automatically brainwashing.
The question is, whom serves the brainwash?
Memory cybernetic implants most probably
For some reason, I, an American, was never taught about communism, fascism, or anything in-between. We were only taught about how our system works. Anything regarding war was "Red scare and anti-communist crusades were bad" and "killing fascists in WW2, killing imperialists in the revolution, and killing reactionaries in the ACW were the greatest things we did."
As for teaching children about communism, that all comes down to the individual. Do we allow people to have different opinions, no matter how stupid they are? Despite our best efforts to educate them, it won't work on a lot of students. Just look at how many communists and reactionaries sprout from a liberal school system… we gotta do something different than these idiots in control of the current system.
My man as bad as the British were, they recognized the sovereignty of the Iroquois and other native nations, and banned colonization past the Appalachians for that reason. The imperialists were the revolutionaries who demanded that they be allowed to murder as many natives as they pleased and get all that sweet farm land for their slaves/indentured servants to work
This, this thread is just utopian garbage and opposed to scientific socialism.
Absolutely this.