(Vietnam thread

could we turn this into a general thread about Southeast Asian socialism? Laos and Cambodia kinda get ignored (excluding pol pot, of course).

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OP here
how about the entirety of Asia?

nevermind Southeast Asia it is

youtu.be/SBOaEmk0cpw

well we already have a thread for the DPRK and all the China threads we have turn to shit. besides, we should give the lesser known countries some spotlight.

i don't know how many times i've listened to this and "don't forget the salvation front".

give Mongolia a thread too?

we can include Mongolia as well yeah. might as well do Afghanistan too since they're in Asia technically.

Both China and Vietnam are capitalist and imperialist countries. We should instead support Syria and Iran in their anti-imperialist struggle against USA.

Vietnams economy is very much State-Capitalist in Nature Similar to that of the Lenin Era USSR
But it does apparently have genuine Marxists and socialists in its government which is better then 95% of the earth

Ex-South Vietnam Expats are Literally like Cuban Gusano's and spend all day here bitching about muh dictatorship and Muh BAZED USA!!!!

t. Aussie

Yo niggas check out this lit shit
youtube.com/watch?v=7zPT3rR3HAs

epic

Do you have any names of these genuine Marxists and socialists in government? Not doubting you, just wanna learn more.

Pretty cool guys. Successfully defended themselves from the ameriburgers and globally humiliated them in the process, then proceeded to liberate Cambodia from the Khmer Rouge after the latter exposed itself as dangerous lunatics.

Sad that they eventually capitulated to neoliberalism, but it was likely inevitable.

No but even if in a Repressed or a Minority position i find it unlikely that these Dengist parties (CPV / CCP / LPRP) simply have no Orthodox Marxist-Leninist faction within it willing to implement socialist reform

You cant really call the Chinese / Vietnamese Model NeoLiberal
Its more of a Left-Keynesian / State-Capitalist style economy such as that of the USSR in the 20s

Probably the best of the nominally socialist countries still around.

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I would definitely imagine that there would be some form of marxist pressure, even if it's minor. Also I'd imagine younger members to be more radical and true than their older counterparts.

I find the case of Vietnam to be such an unbelievably moment when this country, somehow against all odds managed to beat imperialist foreign aggression, not once, but three fucking times against the Japanese, French, and Americans, three countries that militarily were undoubtedly by far superior to them, it's almost like a movie. Like just a story, made up by someone. But the insane reality is that it actually happened.

Vietnam is way too friendly with America and I am extremely suspicious of it in general.

Vietnam's modern history really is a story to behold. I really do hope it doesn't fall completely to revisionism.

Yeah but basically Vietnam is what Russia would have looked like if Bukharin was elected

You mean destroy the most advanced communist society on the planet? Such liberation. Pol Pot predicted the Vietnamese’s designs long before coming to power in their machinations involving the Indochina Federation.
The so-called Cambodian Genocide is a complete hoax and is actually impossible given demographic data

Far too broad lmao especially if you cosider Russia Asia which most of it should be under any reasonable geographic assessment. It would be easier to have a single thread topic about socialism OUTSIDE of Asia in that case.

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Communism is not about rebooting/restarting history but about exploding it. Peasant loving fucktards will never understand this.

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There are alternate paths to communism – Pol Pot recognized this

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1986 in Vietnam is China's 1978.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Đổi_Mới

80% of Vietnamese economy by total employment is in the private sector.

Just like in China, when you walk on the streets of Vietnam you see hookers everywhere.

There is no universal healthcare. Their public healthcare system covers up to 1/3 of the population right now. Housing, food, healthcare and job guarantee are not human rights (on paper) like in DPRK or Cuba.

It is better to be poor in the DPRK than poor in Vietnam, but better to be rich in Vietnam than rich in DPRK.

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That's so sad to hear. People of Vietnam, Indochina and other once colonized people deserve all the best. I really hope this Bukharin-NEP nightmare will soon pass and full communism will arise.

youtu.be/o97uNzbBfis

When a Trot defends an ML country for being Socialist that's gotta mean it really truly is.

I believe Laotians are more honest about communism than them.

We should support the Socialist Republic of Vietnam. For Starters I Recommend these texts:

links.org.au/node/14#K

peoplesworld.org/article/vietnam-s-socialist-market-economy/

politicalaffairs.net/socialism-and-the-path-to-socialism-vietnam-s-perspective/

politicalaffairs.net/the-leninist-heritage-of-the-socialist-market-economy/

politicalaffairs.net/tasks-of-working-class-governments-under-the-socialist-oriented-market-economy/

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youtube.com/watch?v=le8bEO5o3Hk
youtube.com/watch?v=nSl0PyBYdcM

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Jesus, how fucked is Vietnam if that's the case? I actually don't believe you. It cannot possibly be that utterly nightmarish.
Also, welcome to Socialism where the country is too poor to be able to provide the services for which you selected Socialism because of it's Socialist economic and political policies.

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So is the holocaust. Eat shit commie faggot!

youtube.com/watch?v=VGhG6lv-Te4
youtube.com/watch?v=UNhqmk6QzdI
asianews.it/news-en/Thousands-of-Vietnamese-women-and-children-sold-as-sex-slaves--17850.html
dtinews.vn/en/news/017/14393/vietnam-s-sex-industry-growing--increasingly-young.html

And that only scratches the surface since I'm intentionally showing only the homeless children of Vietnam, there are far more homeless adults and prostitutes but since you're most likely a caucasian brought up in a first world country you are brought up to believe and rationalise that homeless adults and prostitutes deserve what they get so you are unable to sympathise with them.

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fuck off.

That's very sad. I really hope that people of Vietnam will overcome this dark period.

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If the PRK (Vietnamese puppet government) claimed three million people died, which was nearly HALF of the 1975 population of when Pol Pot came to power, how did post-DK estimates by both the Cambodian government and various international agencies show 7.2 million people in Cambodia after 1979, not to mention those who had fled abroad into Thailand (a half million or more). You can’t have it both ways. The puppet government claimed three million dead and 7 million still alive from the 7 million before 1975….
SOMETHING DOESN’T ADD UP
These are Vickery’s claims in the book from the Marxist Regimes series (1986). Even the World Bank’s population data from Cambodia refutes the “genocide” narrative and largely supports Vickery’s data. There was NO genocide, there may have been overreaches by the DK government in some places but remember the war and turbulence at the time.

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I'm Caucasian alright but I'm from a 3rd world nation where I absolutely know that not all poor deserve what they get.

oh for fucks sake, leave.

I'm not seeing the problem here.

Yeah that sounds like reasonable growth to me

Can you debunk anything I have said? I haven’t even used any pro-DK sources yet you still throw a tantrum when it comes to light that Pol Pot wasn’t a cartoon character villian who killed everyone and was a madman. This isn’t a claim of “Pol Pot did nothing wrong”, it’s a statement that theCambodian Genocide” is a fabrication, a MYTH. Also, it would be retarded to claim that all 750,000 people who died during the time Cambodia was DK were deaths directly caused by Pol Pot alone because he was just evil or crazy. As I’ve said, DK was at war with social-imperialist Vietnam, being bombed by America, you name it.

The DK came to power in April 1975

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Even if pol pot didin't engage in genocide, he is still right win cia puppet and counterrevolutionary hindrance.

[as he offers no proof, ever]

I mean, that would be sort of like me saying Communism doesn't work because Goebels doesn't think it does. Maybe you shouldn't base your worldview on such weak information.

By who? The imperialists of course

Even Zig Forums isn't this retarded on the holocaust.

Don't forget China.

I’m not dying a substantive amount of people (750,000 to a million) died but it is sad to see people throw out all reason and swallow the imperialist lies on DK just to separate themselves from the regime. It was obviously un-Marxist and ultra-leftist in practice but that does not mean we throw all facts and objectivity out the window

Lenin was a Right-Wing German/Austrian Puppet and CounterRevolutionary Hidrance.

So we went from "no genocide ever happened and Pol Pot was the best ever" to "okay a million people got whacked an Pol Pot was wrong".
How many posts before we've hit "Communism is literally the worst thing ever"?

Deaths happen during revolutions and Cambodia was a mess at that time, so it would be wrong to attribute every single death to Pol Pot being evil. It is not backpeddling. I like Stalin and don’t cry about every death he caused but nor do I try to defend every action he did. There is a fine line between admitting things happened and swallowing imperialist propaganda like
when it was in fact much, much less. I never took the childish position of “Pol Pot did nothing wrong”, but instead questioned the alleged death count

Yeah CPUSA is shit but the articles can be quite good :) btw the other articles are not from them

btw I also found this: return2source.wordpress.com/2013/01/08/actually-existing-socialism-in-vietnam/

Is there any progress on subject matter? Is Vietnam implementing cyber socialism?

no