What do people here think about 'Jugendwiderstand'? For those not aware...

What do people here think about 'Jugendwiderstand'? For those not aware, Jugendwiderstand is a Marxist-Leninist-Maoist youth group in Germany. This is their short presentation in English: jugendwiderstand.blogspot.com/2015/05/short-presentation-of-jugendwiderstand.html

They are anti-Israel so the line from establishment media has been to slander them as antisemitic with little evidence, which is standard procedure in Germany for everyone not sacrificing their firstborn to Bibi.

I think you can say about them what you will, but they seem to have achieved something almost unheard of in a core western nation: To have a growing Communist organization that is not dominated by some red liberal college students with noodle arms who think anti-authoritarianism is a meaningful political stance, nor a sclerotic book club for trot sad sacks (Or in the case of Germany, GDR nostalgy), and follows Marxism-Leninism-Maoism and not some vague 'democratic socialism' that inevitably degenerates into social democracy.

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jugendwiderstand.blogspot.com/2018/09/veranstaltung-frauen-unter-besatzung-in.html
youtube.com/watch?v=ZtGtcGP48l4
youtube.com/watch?v=PFc-_6xg_Yo
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6374085/Secret-plot-200-elite-neo-Nazi-soldiers-German-SAS-slaughter-politicians.html
thesun.co.uk/news/7705658/german-sas-neo-nazi-terror-plot-exposed/
demvolkedienen.org/index.php/de/europa/1689-wider-die-bande-von-rechten-liquidatoren-die-als-jugendwiderstand-ihr-unwesen-treiben
kommunistische.org/
bundeswahlleiter.de/info/presse/mitteilungen/bundestagswahl-2017/34_17_endgueltiges_ergebnis.html
news.dkp.suhail.uberspace.de/2015/12/marxismus-leninismus-als-basis-und-bedingung-von-konsolidierung-und-staerkung-der-dkp/
news.dkp.suhail.uberspace.de/2017/10/revolution-hat-zukunft-rede-von-patrik-koebele/
news.dkp.suhail.uberspace.de/2017/10/worum-geht-es-den-kritikern/
news.dkp.suhail.uberspace.de/2015/11/dkp-und-marxismus-leninismus-2/
news.dkp.suhail.uberspace.de/2015/09/zum-stand-der-diskussion-ueber-den-leitantrag-fuer-den-21-dkp-parteitag/
news.dkp.suhail.uberspace.de/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/DKP-Info-2018_06_3.-PVT-5.pdf
news.dkp.suhail.uberspace.de/2015/11/dkp-und-marxismus-leninismus/
news.dkp.suhail.uberspace.de/2015/11/der-gebrauchswert-des-marxismus-leninismus/
news.dkp.suhail.uberspace.de/2010/05/eine-verstaendnisfrage-antwort-an-thomas-m-steins-ii-entgegnung-thomas-m-050510/
news.dkp.suhail.uberspace.de/2015/06/zu-einigen-grundsaetzlichen-und-aktuellen-ideologischen-frage
m.youtube.com/watch?v=SkSV4xyKkds
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die screaming KIKE

A bit too macho for me but different strokes for different folks

I'll be impressed if I see some praxis outside marches, putting up posters, and obscure lectures.

nothing new>>2715025

What do you mean?

I live in Germany and don't know anything about them. What's their maximum age (they are a youth group without being part of some larger org)? Looks like half their articles are bitching about other micro-sectlets, who is supposed to care about that? But this one is some good shit: jugendwiderstand.blogspot.com/2018/09/veranstaltung-frauen-unter-besatzung-in.html
The article starts quoting from the establishment newspaper Morgenpost moaning about poor pro-Israel protestors who had been threatened by left-extremist Jugendwiderstand men, so they had to leave some beer garden and couldn't take part in a peaceful discussion there ;( ;( ;(

The event was a discussion with Manal Tamimi about her experience as a Palestinian woman. Several of her friends and family members have been killed by Israel. Some of her children are in prison. She's also related to Ahed Tamimi, the girl who got viral recently for slapping a soldier.

The original plan had been to have the event at the Society of Iranian Refugees ("Verein iranischer Flüchtlinge"), but…
They conclude the change of location to the beer garden was a good thing, because of the limited capacity of the old location (over 150 people attended).

Morgenpost and the German division of Vice gave space to an anti-German Merle Stöver describing her view of what had happened. She just wanted to listen to the talk and maybe ask a few questions ;( ;( ;( Jugendwiderstand replies that this isn't plausible, going there as a group of about 25 people with Israel flags, so the intent was clearly to disrupt and if possible cancel the event.
Conclusion:

I did a little search for the Anti-German Merle Stöver and found three things: about muh sexism in social democrats, muh anti-semitism in feminism, and muh trans-sexwork. Is there a factory out there making these hollow pseudo-contrarians?

Hammers & sickles might be up for debate (depending on the country), but any communist group that openly uses the faces of Stalin and Mao on their banners is retarded, doesn't understand tactics whatsoever and actually deserves to stay tiny.

Anti-Germans gotta be the stupidest political sect on the Planet right now. It'd be hilarious if it was satire. Honestly just the fact that Jugendwiderstand triggers all the Anarcha-Communists in the leftist scene and Democratic Socialist theorylet losers in solid' justifies their existence.


Yeah basicly they are trying the opposite tactic and pretty much go all in on very open Maoism. Not sure if thats better or worse honestly. The thing that i am most skeptic of is strong adherence to Maoism itself in an imperial core nation, instead of trying to creatively adapt Marxism-Leninism. But at this point this is all just theoretical.

im listening

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Well there's this undercurrent of violence to the whole thing. Maybe you need that because of where the culture is at right now; I dunno (MMA is certainly really popular). I heard a critique of Maoists today which is that – to their credit – they get closest to the old ML insight that it's not enough just to produce a lot of shit for people to have; you need to eliminate the commodity form of production. Khrushchevite and Dengist revisionists who opened the door to capitalist restoration should be BTFO'd essentially. But these new Maoist groups come at it in the most over-the-top and menacing way possible, like a street gang, which seems like a detour around really engaging with politics.

Yeah this as well

Well to really have a revolution I think you need a lot of work being done in different sectors: different ways of thinking about education or health or technology, and it's not obvious that there's a nexus of new potentials until a revolution shows up and takes everyone (often the revolutionaries most of all) by surprise. Maoist fight clubs might come in handy you know but lecturing reformist types that they're not being radical enough doesn't accomplish anything. The reformist types are still going to be standing for elections and if you're not creatively thinking about how to deal with that, then I don't think you're going to make it very far.

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1. No sense of fashion. There's a reason Kim Jong Un outlawed jeans. Baseball caps are a no-no. Did Chinese sweatshop workers make those caps? Why aren't they wearing work shirts? Why are they wearing skateboarding/running shoes?

2. I see some bodybuilders, but are there any intelligent people?

They look like hooligans and mobsters, not a revolutionary group of trustworthy, hardworking labourers.

Those baseball caps look pretty sweet though. I want one.

Imagine being the drill sergeant of a small group of leftists in your own mind

Also
What's the point of agrarian socialism in a non agrarian economy? or are they like the Jap red army and are just way too into self criticism?

Akshually, Maoism degenerates into Anarchist attempt at revolution. At least, that's my (very strong) opinion. Maoists, obviously, expect successful Communism.

Also, Germany has KPD. Though, DKP seems to be slowly drifting away from revisionism.

The idea that USSR stopped being Socialist once people at the top changed makes it inevitable.

I don't know much about them, except that they made some good rap videos:
youtube.com/watch?v=ZtGtcGP48l4
youtube.com/watch?v=PFc-_6xg_Yo

Agree, not good for us that they get associated with us all the time. And when you call them out they sperg about you being a wehlabloo

Very pleasing to see so young people being proper communists in the tradition of the old German Left such as RFB, KPD and the early SPD. JW looks legit to me, i'm glad that they are carrying on the torch that Müntzer, Weitling, Marx & Engels, Bebel, Liebknecht, Luxemburg, Thälmann et al. carried. They are also holding up good memory of the GDR against bourgeois and reactionary lies and slander which i appreciate as a former GDR citizen very much, and these guys are apparently far too young to actually have experienced it themselves.


Dark times are coming for us plebeians though and this time everything everywhere is turning into shit.
Turns out half of our military, police and secret services as well as elite secret forces with actual combat experience, is in fact a fascist/reactionary stay-behind network.
It was already revealed on Friday in a rather conservative newspaper.
It looks like a fucking CIA plot (might be actually one, they did similar shit before during cold war in europe e.g. GLADIO) for a coup d'etat in the third world. So fascist military, police and secret service personell is keeping arms, ammo, fuel, pyro etc. in hideouts and making death lists of leftist politicians, first of all Sahra Wagenknecht and Dietmar Bartsch, who are to be kidnapped and murdered on "Day X" out of quote "eternal hate against leftists", doesn't make it in the headlines nor in the main news on public main tv-stations.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6374085/Secret-plot-200-elite-neo-Nazi-soldiers-German-SAS-slaughter-politicians.html

thesun.co.uk/news/7705658/german-sas-neo-nazi-terror-plot-exposed/

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If the CIA is relying on the contemporary German military to carry out its plans it's making a mistake IMO

If i'm not mistaken, they already have succeeded when instability and unrest ensues. In order to reach their goal, which is to get rid of the € and the EU as a whole, they just need to weaken the strongest members e.g. Germany, France, Italy, spread jealousy, discomfort, unrest among the smaller ones and generally turn everyone against each other etc. So they support fascist, reactionary and imperialist forces who are naturally into all of that as well as into violence and who would potentially engage even in civil war. They would kinda reactivate the same forces that kept us europeans on each other's throats for centuries and millenia.
This is their geostrategic game everywhere in the world and of course dumb anti-humanist right-wingers are thankful for the opportunity and are going to do their best to make Europe into a clusterfuck of medieval shitholes again.

Their praxis is going through our blocks and spraying some LARPy phrases like "Punch hipsters in the Face, JW" on walls. Occasionaly they beat up the nosey AntiD or Anarchists but thats usually it.

They don't organize in any way the working class, don't have any theoretical organ or try to awaken class consciousness.

It is a decentralized, LARPy, adventury group.

Join DKP :)

DKP are succdem GDR LARPers, their presentation is absolutely horrendous also

Actual Maoists who are not retarded hate them though:
demvolkedienen.org/index.php/de/europa/1689-wider-die-bande-von-rechten-liquidatoren-die-als-jugendwiderstand-ihr-unwesen-treiben


Every day you can spot the same retard in every Maoism thread

The DKP is shit, every proper communist in them has already split from them because of their utter inability to do anything or have a stance on anything.
kommunistische.org/
In Hamburg the DKP participates in pro-Merkel marches against the AfD. They are also full of grandpas who make a fool of themselves whenever they get airtime.

At least the MLPD rustles some jimmies with their shitloads of money and provocative Stalin posters in rich suburbs. And then there is the KPD which is a small sect of dogmatists. None of these parties will ever get above 1% anyway. I think the DKP made 0,1% (!!!!) last election and the MLPD 0,2%. Remember, these are the biggest communist parties in this country.

Actually, never mind. According to official sources…
bundeswahlleiter.de/info/presse/mitteilungen/bundestagswahl-2017/34_17_endgueltiges_ergebnis.html
… the DKP got 0,0% which means they have gotten less than 0,05% at least! MLPD got one percent.

This must have been the worst result for a big CP in all of Europe.

Well, their edgy, quite radical appearance, their slogans, banners and rap videos might actually attract more younger working class people than students and old scholars circle jerking and endlessly discussing and disagreeing over certain trve cvlt dialectics. Personally, i'm not a fan of Mao at all, i'd see myself rather as an old-style social democrat/union guy, however i can't see anything wrong with JW at all at this point. There's nothing cringey or larpy about them in my opinion. They don't dress retarded (such as wearing ugly mohawks or ugly hipster clothes) and don't seem to act too cringey.
They run a blog afaik and there's tons of stuff already out there i.e. the Marxist's internet archive, the KPD organ, the DKP organ, RotFuchs, junge Welt, Freitag and so on.

The problem with the JW is that they focus way too much on the street gang thing and not on theory, in fact, they have an anti-intellectual attitude mixed in with machoism which I consider bad. It's correct that they lash out against pseudo-academic Antideutsche "intellectuals", generally against academic circle jerk, but hating on academia is not a replacement for reading theory. I mean, sorry, I don't think their aesthetics are pretty attractive. They look like Eastern European hooligans. That aesthetic is not attractive to most young people.

It's basically when you are so against IdPol that you create your own IdPol. And yeah, what they are doing is kind of cringey. And honestly, I am not so sure if they are completely legitimate, they might be undermined by the German alphabet soup (Verfassungsschutz).

Ive read that. Their criticism seems to be completely baseless, even more baseless than german establishment media trying to paint them as antisemitic.

They criticise JW for 'sexism' because they determine that there are not enough women in some photos and in another photo a woman is wearing shorts.
They criticise JWs anti-drug stance as hypocritical because there are shots of them with some alcohol bottles here and there. They also say that their Hammer & Sickle are 'not original enough', by far the weirdest criticism i have ever heard.
Then there's the criticism of JWs slogan 'defend yourself and fight' which is apparently a 'passive' slogan because 'defend yourself' comes first. All of this is so fucking stupid.

kys faggot

What makes you think that they are hating academia? Just because they are engaging more in "street" things than in academic circlejerk?
They look like generic German or French lower class youth to me and hooligans look the same everywhere in Europe.
Lower class aesthetics are certainly not attractive to students and hipsters of "middle class" heritage. Maybe lower class people arent' "attractive" to young academics at all. Which might be the reason why so many Western European academic Maoists, Trots and such turn all of sudden "conservative" when they get older.
yawn

this literally doesn't even mean anything and if you're talking about them being /fit/ then that's neccessary, why aren't you exercising properly? You don't need to lift, there are various regimens which would work

he is right tho. Peasants aren't the revolutionairy subject in a first world society and Guerilla warfare most certainly is not the effective method in a crowded place. We are not living in the jungle man

Sources????

Dumb splitters who weaken the communist movement because of muh MS

´>In Hamburg the DKP participates in pro-Merkel marches against the AfD.

Taking part of protest against the far right isn't being pro Merkel you dumbfuck

not an argument :)


bundeswahlleiter.de/info/presse/mitteilungen/bundestagswahl-2017/34_17_endgueltiges_ergebnis.html

… the DKP got 0,0% which means they have gotten less than 0,05% at least! MLPD got one percent.

yeah true BUT it doesnt suprise me since we were lead by right opportunists for a really long time really and with Patrik Köbele we finally have a Marxist_Leninist again as our Chairman


Being cringy or not is not a matter of question here, the thing is that they are not a proper Marxist-leninist organization wich has a foothold in the working class. They don't have any organzation in the working class and they don't seem to get active in building a class conscious working class. They rather go around spraying on walls and LARP as ultra revolutionaires. It is attractive for young hooligans but it is definetly not a Revolutionary Vanguard.


It doesn'T seem to be a theoritcal organ, it rather seems like a page where they only document their revolutionairy recent activities.
It doesnt focus on todays class conflicts or campaigns they are doing, sicne there are practically none.

The JW isnt' even a party with leadership with an organization principle , it is so loose so vague. Without any tactic or plan. THey just so randomly love to incite violence and spraying on walls.

That isn't communist praxis, they are a bunch of adventurous hooligans with red asthetic..

>demvolkedienen.org/index.php/de/europa/1689-wider-die-bande-von-rechten-liquidatoren-die-als-jugendwiderstand-ihr-unwesen-treiben
German speaker here. This is an unreadable text full of pseudo-archaic language. An equivalent English text would be sprinkled with whomst've and so on. All the texts on that site are like that. Even their name is like that, DEM VOLKE DIENEN. That translates to serve the people. The letter I highlighted is superfluous, it is something you can add to nouns when writing poetry. It's like naming a porno THOU SUCKETH THE PENII and pretending that makes it profound.

Several sentences are dedicated to criticize the slogan "Defend yourselves and fight!" ("Wehrt euch und kämpft!") The slogan is unmasked (I'm being sarcastic here) as a devious device by right-wing liquidators whomst've got no theory, an opportunistic degeneration of "Fight and defend yourselves!"

Free language lesson! How to talk German like an unbearable faggot:
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Yes you fucking retard, that is the core purpose and original reason for mao Zedong thought

They are not calling themselves a Revolutionary Vanguard, they are a Proletarian political youth organization, they certainly don't have to fit your definition of what constitutes good or bad activity. Also they certainly have a bigger foothold in the under 85 years old working class than the DKP has, and do more to raise class consciousness in that demographic than the DKP does.


aight heres to hoping you guys turn it around

>demvolkedienen.org/index.php/de/europa/1689-wider-die-bande-von-rechten-liquidatoren-die-als-jugendwiderstand-ihr-unwesen-treiben

Hab auch selten sowas dummes gelesen. Klingt verdächtig akademisch. Am besten sind diese 'Beweisfotos' mit den eingekreisten Flaschen^^.

welp if they aren't trying to be the vanguard, who leads the proletarian revolution, why even bother?


They don't organize in any way with the unions

We do, we have a foothold in the working class, it might not be big and influencial but we have one and we activly work on the base of the unions we activly build class consiousness and try to organize the working class. I dont see these efforts in the JW

kek

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thanks, lets hope we can mobilize many in the European elections

I also have a list of DKP articles on the ideological struggle in the DKP before the 20th Party assembly, I can post them if you want :)

Do it! Im always interested in new developments. Im thinking about joining something but there is no JW in my city and i dont want to join solid' for obvs reasons

Not sure why anybody would think that it would be a good idea for a leftist movement in a contemporary first world country to adopt a tendency developed by Peruvian guerrillas 30 years ago.

Maoism is the highest stage of Marxism-Leninism and its teachings are universally applicable. Anyone who understands that theory is not a dogma but rather a guide to action, as Engels had said, will understand this

Fucking pick one, because this is some serious cognitive dissonance. If theory isn't dogma then it should go without saying that a tendency developed in a context dramatically removed from present day Germany wouldn't be applicable there.

I don't see any. A group can base itself off of the teachers of Mao and not stick to every word he said as the word of God. Mao himself says we must investigate the situation and local conditions instead of blindly worshipping books. Thomas Sankara considered himself a Marxist-Leninist but no one spergs out that he didn't follow Lenin to a T

My point is that even if they want to use Maoism as a guideline, their praxis is going to have to be radically different from the CPP if they want to be successful. Also ML is far less specific than MLM is regarding revolutionary tactics, so Sankara adopting it didn't really require too much deviation. However shit like PPW, which is a core component of Maoism, is not viable in the first world.

I think you don't have to be a Maoist if your a Communist in the first world as much of what Mao was doing (protracted peoples war) really is useless in a country like Germany. I think MLism needs to be adopted for these conditions anyway to the point were wether or not one calls himself a MLM or simply ML is meaningless.

Smh

This pretty much

maoism is not Marxism Leninism
it's cancer

The irony

Marxismus-Leninsmus und Parteiauseinandersetzung:

news.dkp.suhail.uberspace.de/2015/12/marxismus-leninismus-als-basis-und-bedingung-von-konsolidierung-und-staerkung-der-dkp/

news.dkp.suhail.uberspace.de/2017/10/revolution-hat-zukunft-rede-von-patrik-koebele/
news.dkp.suhail.uberspace.de/2017/10/worum-geht-es-den-kritikern/


news.dkp.suhail.uberspace.de/2015/11/dkp-und-marxismus-leninismus-2/

news.dkp.suhail.uberspace.de/2015/09/zum-stand-der-diskussion-ueber-den-leitantrag-fuer-den-21-dkp-parteitag/

news.dkp.suhail.uberspace.de/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/DKP-Info-2018_06_3.-PVT-5.pdf

news.dkp.suhail.uberspace.de/2015/11/dkp-und-marxismus-leninismus/

news.dkp.suhail.uberspace.de/2015/11/der-gebrauchswert-des-marxismus-leninismus/

news.dkp.suhail.uberspace.de/2010/05/eine-verstaendnisfrage-antwort-an-thomas-m-steins-ii-entgegnung-thomas-m-050510/

news.dkp.suhail.uberspace.de/2015/06/zu-einigen-grundsaetzlichen-und-aktuellen-ideologischen-frage

Maoism is just ML with a few different tactical tenets (mass line, PPW, etc).

Why should everyone lead the proletarian revolution and why should everyone be a theory bigshot? Not everyone is made for becoming the next Marx, Cockshott or Zizek, which might prove especially difficult for people with lower class background and bad education. How they approach politics and agitation might be not your "style", but that doesn't neccessarily mean that they're doing wrong. If you think you are a vanguard leader type go ahead. Arbeitsteilung ist das Zauberwort.

What do you expect them to do with unions? They are young people and most unions are full of old geezers and most unions are pretty yellow these days too. All they can do is join a union and go on a strike whenever a strike is due.

JW doesn't need a "foothold in the working class", because they are actual working class people.
You apparently do not like them for some reason, but you haven't brought forward serious criticism so far. I have nothing against the DKP and i do appreciate your work, but please don't look down arrogantly on those young communist working class folks from your throne on top of a pile of over 9000 theory books, because they are not 100% in line with your oh so intellectual special snowflake dialectics.

nothing ironic about this, just as to be expected

it's straight up revision, class collaborationist and all around plain retarded
just like with trotskyism the followers are even worse than the original
they fucking celebrate the counterrevolution in the soviet union and DDR
fuck these "people" that are in lockstep with fascists

I have my reservations about Maoism in the first world but wat

they also jumped full support into the "arab spring", or any "color revolution" so far
it's not even exaggeration
they bought that trotskyite lie about workers seizing oil fields in libya
you might remember that this was also something Jason Illiterate Dipshit Unruhe was spreading

You guys are such idealists. So many of you are seemingly incapable of a materialist thought. You see a house, and you think it was solely built for the paint on the outside.
Here, to start this off, and to show I am not an entirely hateful person, here is an actual materialist analysis. Correct or not, I do not know, but it has a materialist basis.

This guy is making a materialist analysis when he (to paraphrase) says "They are not a revolutionary vanguard, because they do not actually work within the workinng class. They are just ultrarevolutionaries acting like hooligans". Engels said very similar stuff, I cant remember the title of the essay, but he was talking about a failed "revolution". A few guys get together, brood about death and destruction of the bourgeois, act like "true" revolutionaries, and then fo positively nothing.
This is a material analysis because he notes A.) a real thing, specifically a lack of working class action, and then notes that this will lead to/obviously is B.) useless adventurism.
"A.)" was a cause and "B.)" was an effect. Whether or not what he says is true is beyond the point, he made a materialist analysis that can obviously be true or false. It can be correct or incorrect. Compare this materialist thinking to the following posts

This is meaningless. The idea of "machoness" is quite clearly arbitrary. This isnt a reason to dislike the group. This is a total nonstatement. Saying this is like watching a bunch of women organize politically and then thinking "This is too feminine for me." There is no real, material reason for these things to bother me in and of themselves. They are completely superficial details. When you let superficial, unimportant details cloud your judgement, you are engaging in idealist thinking. Letting, at best "cultural" details change your judgement is the kind of thing that breeds racism, nationalism, and any other sort of random, arbitrary thinking. You can go on forever finding random "issues" with every single organization ever, yet no one (with any logic) looks back in history and goes "Oh, those rebels were too macho. They should have been less macho."
This post wasnt really bad, but it is an example of this type of thought process.

Here is where this type of thought process gets you.
This is, again, arbitrary. For one, revolutions require violence, and the ONLY way Communism will be established is through violence. ALL political structures are made with violence. This is a fact, and I can demonstrate it with an example.
Salvador Allende is democratically elected to be the leader of Chile. Congrats, now the state has been seized by a Socialist, right? Communism is just a little change away! But, oh no, the US coups Salvador. If only the U.S. had not done that, right? This is an idealist idea.

Allende was NEVER going to be able to seize state power. He was a single man, and the state is an entire machine dedicated to the protection and development of Capitalism. He was always going to fail. There are no timelines where Allende leads Chile into a great, prosperous Socialist state. If the U.S. didnt want the coup, another state would have done it. If another state had not done it, they would have done it themselves. If they had not couped him, they would have destroyed or otherwise resisted his changes. There are no worlds where a Capitalist state gives itself over to Communism. It does not, and can not happen.
Plus, to get back to the main point, it really doesnt matter if there is an "undercurrent of violence". The media will smear any anticapitalist movement in every way possible. They will do this by calling them weak and effeminate. They will do this by calling them crazed and violent. They will do it in every single possible way, irrespectice of any truth to these things. The truth doesnt matter here, not because people dont care, but because their is no objective content to it. The moment you engage in idealist thinking "Hmm are these guys violent" (without actual proof of violent actions, and even that is shaky), you have already fallen into a trap where the facts do not matter, because there are no facts to matter. There is NOTHING that can actually show a "macho" mindset for a group, or any other "group think". You can always find an individual or group that "fits" your adjective. This is because there is no objective way to determine if someone fits a subjective appraisal. I can say "This guy is a fag", and nothing you can do can prove me wrong. You can not prove that you are not a faggot. Does this make you a faggot? Is there some faggot essence that distinguishes you? No! It is a madeup, meaningless title that covers up what I am really saying, which is something like "You are engaging in idealist thinking and this is a pisspoor attempt at logical thinking, and thinking like this isnt productive."
Thinking in terms of "these guys are 'x'." is one of the greatest sources of navelgazing I can think of. How manypeople here make useless posts about evil americans and so on? Or about how some seemingly "proletariat" spirit has been corrupted by Capitalism? How many people here, seemingly at random, declare a group unrevolutionary because of some taint? This sort of pathological thinking can not be combated with evidence, because it doesnt have it or has a parasitic relationship with it. Parasitic as in the "evidence" is just asspull things, like "Black guy kills white girl". Their evidence does not prove their position. It merely provides a point for them to say "told ya".This thinking must be overcame by throwing out the whole subjective basis of it in favor of objective thinking.
Here is a video by Zizek about debating fascists that I think is highly related to what I am talking about.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=SkSV4xyKkds
I realize that this post totally went off the rails from the beginning, but I think it landed somewhere far more productive. It is very large, but I dont think it is too verbose or anything. I think I was pretty concise, so I will leave it as is, off the rails and all.
Also I want to make it clear that I dont hate the guy most of the post uses as an example. I am not frothing at the mouth, denouncing you for being a liberal or anything. Just got excited by the idealism in this thread and got the urge to write.

Jason needs to be impaled honestly

Not any more so than ML. Lenin and Stalin both advocated working with anti-imperialist bourgeoisie in colonized or semi colonized countries, which is all Maoism advocates. Also keep in mind that not all Maoists are MTW.

You say that like this is what Allende or demsocs advocate. Seizing control of the state through an election doesn't imply any voluntary compliance on the part of capital.
And if Allende had purged the army and armed the people there would have been nobody to execute the coup. His mistake was in not wielding the power he did have to greater effect, not in achieving that power through elections.

there's a difference between a necessary antiimperialist alliance and letting the bourgeois join into the fucking party

The punchline of the joke is that Jason is actually a martial arts master and beats off the whole JW gang

But nonetheless they bond over their shared love of Mao

I'm with you, leninhat! People should really read something about our theory and get into discussion, before randomly accusing us of revisionism. At least we are democratically developing an actual communist program, instead of being a dogmatic ultra-left sect. This is something what I really value about the DKP: You can discuss theory, without being immediately rejected, when you have a different opinion. This is the only way to go. In other communist parties, you have to parrot everything, what the holy teaching master says. Otherwise, you are a REVISIONIST or whatever.
Off course, the DKP isn't perfect. But there is only one thing I can say about it:

MAKE DKP GREAT AGAIN

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it has never been great and communist parties have been irrelevant or crypto-socdem reformists for the last 70 years. the dkp is both.

communist parties in the west*

You should really give DKP a try. Just attend one of the monthly group meetings. And don't get disappointed, because of the old people meme. In my town group, we also have a comrade who was in the real KPD, which was forbidden in 1956. You get experience and knowledge from first hand!

Then tell me your super exciting plan.

oh eat shit, the DKP was founded by mostly good KPD comrades and had the support of eastern germany
they're a fine party

The Vanguard is one of the core principles of building socialism. Without it there won't be a socialist revolution. That is one of the core point of Lenin. So this organization is not one wich wants to build socialism as it seems, so no socialist should join them :)

They should organize the working class???
Students should organize fellow students and the working youth. You know that is like the core part of Marxism. The Proletariat


Yeah, we are too but they are not the whole working class are they? They need to have a foothold in the working class so they can organize them and lead them to a socialist revolution


They are not a vanguard party wich wants to organize the working class in order to lead them to a proletarian revolution and socialism.

Those are the points summed up and you seem to agree somehow but still support them weirdly

agree with stalinstache. They always side with the capitalists and the imperialsit when discussing socialist states.First wold Maoists are anti communists


Thank you comrade, really warms my heart to see fellow Marxist_Leninist here, who apply Dialectics to solve questions


Always nice to see a fellow comrade!! And I fully agree with you. Be sure to read the articles, I've linked!

Keep it up Genosse! Get active in the KP and keep defending our new Achived Marxist-Leninist Party line!

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Forgot to thank stalinstache (thank you stalinstache)

Tbh y'all fools if you aren't trying to infiltrate Aufstehen.

into the trash it goes

Students (especially outside STEMM) pick up all sorts of weird mannerisms. Interactions with them are tedious. I don't see them having any special insights into society or having any sort of special ability to contribute more than average by virtue of being students (and if they study political "science" or economics, they are more spooked than the average).
You can be a supporter of more than one thing. There is no logical law that somebody who supports JW must either think of them as a vanguard party or deny the importance of building a vanguard party.

Why are German words so fucking long? Are they afraid of using too many spaces and running out of parchment?

Into the trashcan it goes

t. armchair

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Bitch how retarded are you

Just regular marxism


Huh? These are young, working class people. Theres your your 'connection to the working class'. Wtf do you even mean by 'signs of connection to the working class'? What sort of stupidity is this.

I see you think they should try an appeal more to the liberal media by keeping their ideology…. secret? How?

Nothing will come of it

It’s just a different way or writing compound words. We could easily do the same thing in English if we changed the orthography a bit and then we could get autists like you screeching about muh long words

bird house : birdhouse
compound word : compoundword
movie theater : movietheater
MUH LOOOONG WORDS

honestly, english seems more based this way

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I’d prefer English to be this way. Marxistleninistparty sounds better than Marxist-Leninist Party.

Sounds like something Orwell would come up with. Doubleplusgood my dude.

So basically RGA in america, but actually based?

What are tactics: the post