How to find competent managers for a far-left organization who also holds far-left values. Finding radicals is hard enough, converting more people to be radicals, harder still, finding good managers is about as difficult. But combining all three at once appears to be a near impossible task. How do the many communist microparties do this? If they at all.
Finding Competent Staffers
David Perez
Owen Nguyen
You don't "find" them, rather they make themselves that due to their circumstances and the kind of knowledge they stumble upon.
William Perez
Half a kingdom republic for a good (practical) answer. Competent managers in general seem to go extinct (a few semi-functioning grandpas are more effective than dozens of young "visionaries").
Now I'm thinking that a good education program is the only solution.
They don't. Which is why they are microparties.
Jackson Hughes
The moment it is accomplished, they will all simultaneously commit suicide.
Gavin Bailey
If it's any consolation the far right seems way worse in this regard. Well, it's what happens when you get a bunch of insecure men obsessed with power together and try to organize them.
Good answer. I think people should join up to socialist orgs to study and learn but also do basic tasks that need doing. I would even encourage people to volunteer at local political offices just to do simple work a few hours per week
Andrew Richardson
A contradiction in terms, comrade
Christian Thompson
not all managers are capitalists, anarkiddie
John Miller
Management is bourgeois decadence.
Bentley Harris
lmao imagine believing there can be no monopoly on violence
David Turner
lmao imagine struggling this much against decentralized self-management in futile tribute to the false god order
Zachary Johnson
Angel Brooks
Henry Ward
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Kayden Lee
Look at how the marxist leninists did it.
Colton Bell
they don't just fall from the sky, you have to train people with good negotiations skills in small community projects to get better. That's one reason I don't like this "go lift, comrade!" threads. Yeah, strenght is cool, but good managers are rare and even more important for our movement
Colton Perez
what does this prove? management is not effective enough as a science, so we should abolish management? what non sequitur
John Sanders
Management is pseudoscientific
There's no qualification that makes someone a good manager.
You're either good at the work that you're doing or you aren't. If you are, you can explain how to do this type of work to others.
Management isn't work. It's a bunch of idiots playing the mouthpiece of shareholders that believe they understand your job better than you do when in actuality they learned a bunch of pseudoscience during their MBA.
The mythologizing of "good management" and good leadership as an individual triumph, virtue, or predisposition is an ideological mapping from capitalist corporate structure, or occasionally imperial command structure, onto every aspect of human production.
It's cancer, and it needs to be removed. Managers are parasites.
Lincoln Foster
if a job is not profitable it will be gotten rid of. we already have ways of computing the economic profitability of any given job a la Cockshott, so fuck off with your meaningless reactionary absolutism
Juan Ramirez
There is such a thing as good leadership that manifests and can be taught apart from the job as such. Modern management is not quite this, but there is such a thing as learning how to manage a project of several people working together well. Unless someone in a group working together has these skills, you'll have a hard time completing any common project.
Gavin Gonzalez
Production for commodity exchange is literally capitalism
The optimal situation is self management. If you have enough time to run around looking over the employee's shoulders to make sure they aren't "stealing time" and to mediate disputes over direction, then you have some time to pick up the tools and do some actual fucking work.
Before you start on with "mediation IS work," then consider that the only way for good mediation to occur when the specification isn't to meet shareholder interests is by understanding production at least as well as the parties you're mediating. This is only possible if you have the technical knowledge of the work being done, i.e. you are a worker.
When you have worker self-management you don't need managers. At most you can elect a worker to a part-time role in addition to the normal work of handling union administrivia. The function of the manager in the current system is as a spy for capital. The pay of the manager is taken from the pay of the rank and file worker, and the primary function that is being paid for is to obstruct labor organization and to intercede on behalf of the parties extracting surplus labor value from the workers.
Brayden Parker
This is my experience. To that end, I have found the book Peopleware to be invaluable. Here's some exerpts that are relevant to the discussion, but I HIGHLY recommend reading it entirely. The last chapter (Holgar Dansk) is a call for insurgency in order to establish these ideas in the workplace.
Jackson Morgan
Former manager here, it's completely true. We all worked alongside each other, but guess who got the bonus? And guess how that bonus is determined. You could literally slack off and still make it because the other workers pushed the sales into the bonus range. It's disgusting and really, the only thing the managers are trained for is to do payroll and other paperwork anyone can do.
Carson White
Firstly, it's either "production for exchange" or "commodity production".
Secondly, no. Simple commodity production is not capitalist mode of production. Though, generalized commodity production in industrial economies tends to swiftly develop into capitalism.