DSA Refoundation - the trot + maoism + idpol faction - just collapsed and dissolved itself over a sexual harassment...

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DSA Refoundation, PCUSA, and WWP are all dead thanks to sex or harassment scandals of some kind, I'm feeling pretty suspicious tbh

Will someone explain what the damn scandal was already.

this is what happen when you let the women in(RAPIST WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

I disagree, FBI infiltrators could either be paid to harass female members or false accusers, maybe both

Alright, that's fucking it. I am tired of all these fucking weird ass insular, sex obsessed groups that don't give a damn about the proletariat. When is an actual communist group which gives a fuck about fighting capital going to emerge?

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This is actually what happens when you do not explicitly ban fraternization between party members.

This, universal suffrage was a mistake

Is that a subtle call for gender segregation of political organizations I hear? I mean, what better way to avoid fraternization than to take away the temptation…

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Now THIS is reactionary

None because the proletariat in America don't care about fighting capital because they don't care about anything and their imaginations have been shot to shit, the most revolutionary thing I've ever heard from my coworkers when I was landscaping was either social democracy or a getting rid of money and replacing it with barter.

There's now just a straight up "Communist Caucus" in Democrat Cops of America, so I imagine that a lot of the Refoundation people will just head there

Happens alot in lgbt lefty groups too
Who woulda thought that groups whos only shared common trait between members is sexual deviance

Ever realised yet that the tale of America is every 80-90 years the people betray their great grandfathers generations ideals and change the country
Its how America went from being loyal self-autonomous colonies of Puritan English majoritive being loyal to the Crown unto death to the plutocratic oligarchy pretending to be ochlocracy that it is today

They said the same about the Russians in 1904.

basically the refoundation caucus had a member who had previously "been found guilty" (whatever that means) of sexual harassment who was surreptitiously accessing the group chat of some other members including his ex-girlfriend and like spying on them incognito, then when they (the ex-girlfriend and the other people in the group chat) reported him to the refoundation caucus higher ups they all got expelled from the caucus but nothing happened to him? that's what i've been able to gather lol

If that's true the generation of Americans that "fought fascism" are going to be betrayed by their great grandkids who will usher in the most brutal fascist regime the world has seen since WWII

Makes sense. The militant workers who got into shootouts with strikebreakers in the 1910s were betrayed by shiteating neoliberals in the 90s.

They're weirdo maoists, not trots

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where are the drunk matt webms

Theyve existed for a while and are autonomists

What's the point of being an autonomist after 1991?

You know that Lenin was sex obsessed as well right?

The YPJ is a military organisation. The party itself is not segregated.

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Clapping could make autistic people get stimulation overload and freak out, therefore gotta replace that ableist shit with jazz hands comrade!

How Come Maotists online are these Anti-IdPol crusaders like Jason but every IRL (First world) Maoite group is basically just some RadLib Front?

He and his mistress, a mother of two, and his wife were on very good terms and would often jaunt into the wilderness together or spend evenings alone just the three of them. In Krupskaya's words (para.) "It would get warmer whenever she was around"

Many of his contemporaries were also very horny, Trotsky is well known for his lovers and of course Beria's sadistic rapes all over the SU.

Proof that polyamory is revolutionary

so what we'd need is an edgy commie group that doesn't give a fuck about sensitivities without going retarded nazbol and excluding people who need to toughen up and learn to take the bants
but all these good people are hiding away on this board or in inner emigration

Sounds more like soft polygamy. Kind of like Abraham and Hagar.

Maoist notions of a "Cultural Revolution" mesh well with Western identity politics. It's an outlet for petite bourgeois kids with no real convictions who want an excuse to berate others in public. They're the people who become conservatives in adulthood and claim leftist politics are something you grow out of.
Anarchism lacks the same edge appeal in the US.

I know it's edgy to say or whatever but I'm honestly starting to move towards some accelerationist and/or third worldist notion that it's impossible at the moment at least to build socialism in America. I don't really think the Labour Aristocracy argument is valid but I do think that Americans are so balls deep in both Right Wing and Left Wing IdPol and so insulated from the rest of the world, even in the age of the Internet, that it would take a massive crisis and pretty much total obliteration of the USA as the nation-state we currently know it as before even the most working class among America sees a point in doing actual Leftist activity and not just continuing to either be indifferent or collapse into, on the one hand, a coalition of neofascism and neoliberalism or social democratic petite-bourgeoise liberalism masquearading as communism.

Any pretense of radicalism is being purged from the Democratic Shills of America and all you fucking retards are not even realizing that this is just one of the steps towards destroying any anti war opposition to the ruling class. And btw Lenin would join the SEP cause they’re the only ones who call this shit out and fight against it unlike the other “left” groups who immediately fall into the traps of realpolitik and inevitably shill for the democrats or Sanders.

muh PoC wah-mens will lead the revolution tho

too kek, you're all cucks and sexual deviants

Projection, I see you fags whining about fun on the fetish boards here all the time

They sound like "radical" wreckers.

I'm pretty sure there are anti war factions in the Democrat Cops of America that are not also drooling idpozzed retards.

It’s called having some fucking balls. Which is what the bolsheviks had and why they “wrecked” the Mensheviks and SR’s who they rightly saw as cowardly opportunists. Same needs to be done with the Democrat Cops of America and all the fake leftist groups out there who will inevitably betray the working class due to their distorted theoretical knowledge.

I understand why no one would read the grievances, as the writing is neither entertaining nor particularly interesting. It reads very much like a list of petty grievances, which is what it more or less is.

If you read the complaint, though, there isn't any sexual scandal, strictly speaking. The one that did (supposedly) occur is already in the past:
It's unclear whether "tried and found guilty" means an actual legal proceeding, a proceeding at the Democrat Cops of America, or merely a phrase for them finding him guilty, however.

His mistress was married and continued her relationship with him, and others, while also deeply in love with Lenin.

They were revolutionaries not christcucks.

Refoundation isn't some revolutionary group. They're idpozzed libs

The accusations against PCUSA were much wilder with basically no evidence to back up said claims except for the testimony of one person.

Another leftist tendency derailed by sex perverts. Stellar work everyone. Though in all honesty I hadn't heard the name "Refoundation" in about a year. Probably for the best.

The FBI could snap its fingers and squash pretty much any radical leftist organization on the spot. They prefer to work longer term and cultivate blackmail material on leaders who are selectively promoted over time. There is also CIA deep-cover infiltration over a long period which is used not to spy on the infiltrated domestic group (not primarily anyways) but to build contacts with foreign leftist organizations which are the true target.

The main problem here I think is people who want a taste of power within their little leftist milieu, and there are loose moral standards so people are having sex with each other all the time, and that's just a recipe for drama – and the organizations have no ability to handle that except by disbanding themselves.

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What is to be done then? Go completely clandestine until the state itself is in crisis?

The feds are why these organizations always end up being led by self-absorbed petite bourgs to begin with. When a member undesirable to the FBI gets COINTELPRO'd out, these fuckwits are used to fill in the gaps to make the organization feckless and unstable.
It's fairly easy and reliable, since every American leftist group has at least a few liberals trying to reform it into an identity circlejerk.

Hell if I know. That's what Maoists have done and they have a defensible argument for it. I don't know if I agree with it, but I don't know a whole lot. Another rub is that how do you handle sexual harassment or assault claims? Your first option is to go to the police but a lot of survivors don't want to do that for a variety of (valid) reasons. And a lot of socialist organizations would not want that either because the police will use that as an opportunity to pry into your activities. But there are no socialist groups that I know of that actually have the capacity to adjudicate these claims. The D*SA is the largest of such groups but 50,000 people is tiny in the grand scheme of things. This Refoundation group was a few hundred people at their tops and it was mostly a bunch of super-secret-serious Slack channels.

So I dunno. Find Jesus maybe. He loves you and is your friend. Lust is a sin you know, but lust derives from despair and neglect – and those who are lusting are neglecting other aspects of their lives. Also politics isn't really all that important; most of the people who do it all the time are freaks and perverts anyways. But if you're going to do revolutionary politics… yeah I think maybe you should encourage "reformist" groups that have potential but should really be working toward the moments when the opportunity for radical changes open up. A revolution just doesn't "happen" but comes about in a specific set of circumstances when the elites fail and there are no alternatives.

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cringe

I'm not even a Christian or believe in Jesus personally but we need some moral standards. I mean, Jesus!

Yanks networking with anybody else? Good joke. Perhaps they have some contacts in Canada (English-speaking part only), so there's your international solidarity.

tbh given how fucking stupid they are on average I think we should all be glad this is the case

Moral standards aren't even the problem. If they were, there wouldn't be this appeal to morality by way of sexual harassment as an absolute evil.

These morons couldn't even get 1% of their shitty org to join them, what the fuck were they doing? Why not just join an actual communist party?

Say it with me

The "Communist" Party USA is Un-ironically even worse then .D.S.A.

They prefer to develop contacts with Latin American and Palestinian groups, and a lot of them are not the ones you think but very good deep-cover agents from the same ethnicities/communities being targeted.

There's still PCUSA.

I'm well aware. Why not join something like PSL, WWP, or FRSO? Or even one of those Maoist cults? At least those guys have principles.

Probably because they're just attention whores.

Don't join American Maoist groups, most of them are Gonzaloists.

FRSO are not…

…right?

Anyone???

FSRO aren't Gonzaloists, but your average local "Maoist cult" is.

is this a Joke? or did you genuinely not hear about its Hilarious Implosion?

Heard its Decent
Unless your like a "Three World Theory" Purist who just wants to write articles about Syria all day i wouldn't recommend it
RCP and the other "Maoite" groups in USA are Basically just RadLibs tbh
Maoist orgs in the 1st world are generally a joke

Why doesn't the Democrat Cops of America have a Marxist "class reductionist" caucus anyway? Even the spastics have a caucus.

What hilarious implosion? I've heard that some terf made wild accusations against their party with no evidence, but that didn't cause the implosion of their party.

holy shit thats pure gold

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bitch ALL left groups in the USA are a joke, PSL is the biggest joke of all with its ex CIA leaders and ex mercenary members

Going by that logic by 2070 the United States will be a Soviet clone, this pattern isn't black and white like that

Yeah more like this
Instead of an ideological shift it's more like the inherent values and morals of American society become perverted/inverted and do a U turn every century
Please point out to me which part in US politics today of the right wing is claiming the racial superiority of the Anglo-saxon race above all of the swarthy Europeans, or which part of the left wing today is vehemently opposed to anti-slavery legislation

The entire Democrat Cops of America organization is run by cops, so it's no surprise.

because only white people with their heads in the sand are into that

pocks are coming for your throat whitey, wisen up and start waving the swastika or else you will die painfully, the pocks are gonna eat you alive

Do you think all the members could be cops too? I wouldn't put it past them.

Woah the PSL has ex-CIA and ex-mercs? Sign me the fuck up

Hello boons to society!

Most "MLM" Gonzaloite cadres in the USA aren't radlibs. They think the Shining Path was the highest form of Marxist science, if anything they're more like red fascists, not to use the term lightly.

Half of me is unironically convinced these people are COINTELPRO (same for the red guards). The alternative is even more terrifying.

From their site:

Hmmm… you're telling me… idpol… was incapable of encompassing a diverse large group of people due to sectarian infighting and purity politics… hmmm.. big think

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she cant be stopped

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She can't keep getting away with it!

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I don’t get the joke.

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That's Amber A'Lee Frost from Chapo Trap House, she's a Democrat Cops of America member and regularly gets into skirmishes with these types and is /ourgirl/.

Amber Frost is a writer, former Democrat Cops of America-big wig and sometimes podcaster, who has gotten into quite a few fights with the people who made up refoundation.
Chiefly when she pissed off the Democrat Cops of America disability caucus when she had a meeting about medicare for all without consulting the Democrat Cops of America disability caucus (They did consult them, the caucus just forgot to check their inbox), and held the meeting in a place without wheelchair access or something.
Also she has like dedicated half her writing to criticising wreckers.

It's a joke you need to be entirely too online to understand, and isn't that great when you do.

Fucking reddit.

Amber is a fat skeevy drug addict

She's still whiter than you you fucking mulatto.

a proud daughter of indiana

um sweetie there is no such as white it's okay to be moolatte