What is the problem with social justice exactly? I don't see Jordan Peterson's point of view...

What is the problem with social justice exactly? I don't see Jordan Peterson's point of view. I don't see why anti-LGBT voices should be tolerated as they are intolerant. I think it's an unnecessary evil to use power over people. Some might argue that social justice warriors wish to harm but it seems more like defense, as LGBT and other groups have been marginalized.

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It’s rhetoric breads reactionaries. Look at how many “anti-SJWs” they created. Embarrassing Social Justice will create reactionaries.

It's an entirely different branch of politics to materialist socialism as its goals are contained within the goals of revolution, all it can hope to achieve is capitalism with a human face.

Because LGTBBQ issues are irrelevant when billions of people can barely afford to eat because of capitalism.

SJW is just a thought terminating cliche and a way to demonize someone who holds an opinion you don't like without addressing the opinion, especially if it's about a difference in values.

Idpol isn't really a helpful characterization because it's often wielded in the same and often hypocritical way.

The problem with identity is when it's used to push a neoliberal line, as in more gay millionaires and managers, and to turn people against each other for the purposes of busting solidarity.

Any complete analysis of identity necessarily must confront class struggle, but at the same time economic reductionism alone is feckless and revisionist.

Not really, the biggest problem with the term is that it's very popular on the right wing, which gives it a 100% guarantee of being overused and misapplied by dribbling retards.

thats not true, and its not an issue in america or europe.

user, billions of people don't live in America and Europe.

i don't really care about africa or china, they have too many people anyway. the rest of the world is fine.

MARX just got OWNED with FACTS and LOGIC

Nothing wrong with social justice. It's critical theory people don't like. If the left focused on class/proletariat issues again, there'd be less backlash.

The term "social justice" in modern dialogue is effectively a reference to so-called identity politics which around here is entirely rejected, and rightly so. It either fabricates issues which don't exist or diverts attention away from much bigger concerns, fracturing resistance toward the beast system.

We're all on the same sinking ship and it's ludicrous that we have people acting as if we give more of "a platform" to brown skinned people or men who dress as women we'd somehow achieve some progress instead of actually banding together and killing the psychopath captain before the ship sinks and dooms us all to the abyss (i.e. climate change). I think I've said this exact same thing to another person who asked the same question recently. It'd be nice if there were something in the sticky threads to tell people so we don't have this question too often.

why would anyone focus on class? most people are too rich to care. only people with scarcity seethed in their psyche care about class. it is very insignificent today as culture drives and not economics. america is pretty much post-class.


we are on the same ship yes, but LGBT and minorities are on the deeper end. explain why I should be against PC for example.

Wow fuck off

>most people are too rich to care [citation needed] so the obvious solution is to create a mass movement of a small portion of the population who are the most marginalised to give capitalism a human face while the planet is destroyed
Galaxy brain centrist detected.

There is no deeper end. We are heading toward the ice berg and bands of psychopath narcissists keep diverting attention away from it so that brown skinned lesbian muslim trannies can be the CEO of Google


Please. I don't want to be rude and assume you're just a troll, but this is just ridiculous now

most statistics point towards this, and most people are so wealthy today the thought of communism is far removed.

most people who want social justice also want to protect the environment. you think capitalism is inherently ecological unsustainable despite more trees and various wonders happening. did you know that oil is abiogenic ? most of what you hear about global warming is a myth. and climate change is happening on every planet.

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t. your generic MTW armchair revolutionary

did al gore tell you that before he invented the internet?

economic worry exists to an extent, but want is much larger than need. even the poorest in our society can have big tv's and internet.

Read the OP and realise most people who vote are this dumb

muh vidya games and black people in commercials

When you think about it, economic worry happens on every planet.

Fuck off you idiot troll
How are you going to have a big TV and gorge yourself to death on monster and doritos playing overwatch if you're fucking homeless

Jordan Peterson is a saint and I say that as a lefty
He fights against you as an individual becoming someone else's ideology
He's not perfect and I don't agree with him on every point, but I'd take him any day over his opponents
Extreme and radical SJW's inadvertently created Trump and further accelerated the neo-con hell to maximum levels

Times like these make you feel not so bad about the impending ecological catastrophe that is to unfold in the coming decades

only 0.17% of the population are homeless. statistical noise. not enough for a revolution. You are not thinking straight.


thinking that people can be intolerant is in itself a belief and an action, so he is not a radical 'saint' against the problem of ideology.

No way OP is serious. This is too liberal to be real.

It's even worse on other planets, where there are no homes at all.

I don't know why but this made my day. Thanks :-D

ah, so you tell me that homelessness is an issue so severe that it effects most people to the extent we have to start a revolution until you get told that only 0.17% of the population and run out of arguments

Yeah but you're an even lower percentage than that. Just noise. You basically don't even exist.
In fact, there are about 533,742 times as many homeless people in "post-class America" than there are of you. Doesn't that really mean that instead of moving past class, we've moved past you as an individual person?

as sad as it is, most are prob even dumber than that

i dont really care what happens to me or what you think of me. i dont fear death, unlike you. its very obvious the fear of death guides your worldview, otherwise you wouldn't be a master manipulator under the guise of compassion for the 0.17% homeless.

its very obvious the fear of death guides your worldview, otherwise you wouldn't be a master manipulator under the guise of compassion for the 0.25% transgendered.

Yeah, it's definitely my fear of death that caused me to point out that you're an ignorant sophist by making you look up homelessness on wikipedia and not the fact that you said that America is post class and that everyone can buy a 50 inch OLED gaming monitor

prove me wrong

empathy is not the same as compassion and allowing people to lead their own path rather than an assigned 'reality-map' is more truth that what you are preaching.

Now this is comedy

What kind of gated neighborhood do you even live in ?

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Trump is a Zionist, but not a Neocon. Neocons conquer externally. Trump is fairly insular/focused on domestic stuff (but still a capitalist). It's pretty schizophrenic. You can't be "America First" and a Zionist at the same time.

not the one known as america, which has a 0.17% homeless population. i reside elsewhere.

how about you show me what you 'know'? i dont care for your insults

What am I preaching?

Homelessness aside, avg people are still enslaved to usury. TVs are the bread and circuses to keep them happy.. but they lack real freedom and independence.

argumentum ad ignorantiam
QED

No point anymore. You've proven your purpose. Your first post I answered sincerely, but you've gone too deep and you're either an attempted troll (you have somewhat succeeded so I give you 3/7 communisms for your effort) or just a generally hopeless individual.

ah, so you get refuted and now somehow me asking for more evidence means ive lost by default because of my supposed ignorance.


i agree, it's a messy situation, i wouldn't say 'most', but student debt and what not is an issue since college is a scam, but i don't think the solution requires a revolution.

Read what the fallacy is again, because you didn't understand it.

How the fuck is he supposed to refute that? It's a completely baseless claim, and probably a massive projection.

it doesnt apply here, you just want it to because you are too lazy to present an argument

socialism is predicated on scarcity and fear

Capitalism literally requires scarcity to function. What do you think happens if the market is flooded with a particular product? The price drops below manufactoring price. This is bad for the capitalist as he now doens't make a profit. What does he do? He stops producing.
Do you understand?

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i didn't make a claim. you made the claim that homelessness is a serious issue, enough for a revolution, and then i told you that's it's only 0.17% of the population – sourches which i can provide.


id be a communist too if i didnt understand how supply and demand works.

No, I made the claim that homelessness, the fact that some people have homes and others don't, is a counterexample to your claims that America is post class and that everyone can buy a Tesla.

it's not an argument of "i care about the bigots" but rather "i don't want the government/a central authority to decide what opinions are okay"

No, you're a capitalist because you don't understand how supply and demand don't work.

You're the most dishonest person I've ever come across. Very similar to how nazis argue.

lol calling someone a nazi is a childish resort

i don't support capitalism either. why is it one or the other with you people ?

For those interested in the history of the communist movement's attitude towards faggots, it has always universally been negative. Engels was especially visceral in his opposition to faggotry. The German group Neue-Einheit has a webpage titled Unequivocal statements by Friedrich Engels which compiles all the remarks Engels made on the subject. Of particular interest to anyone interested in the theory of the Labor Aristocracy (and the Labor Bureaucracy) are Engels' remarks about the faggot Hasselmann. Basically what we have is an instance of homosexuals becoming the leaders of the early German Labor Bureaucracy, and being extreme opponents of Marx and Engels.

www.neue-einheit.com/english/is/is1998/is12_98e.htm

I do not have enough Stalin memes to shit up this shit thread.

Be the change you want to see in the world.

It tries to find the answer without understanding causality.

I didn't, you dishonest piece of shit :^) I said you argue like one, continously shifting the topic, throwing vague assertions everywhere expecting people to write out pages of replies to every spastic fit you have about how the world works.
We argue a lot with nazis here, I'm not saying this because I just want to call you a bad name, but you argue exactly like them.

Yeah, I remember when they put a 10000 gays in Buchenwald during the Paris Commune too, and when they stuck 25 cm of wood up Pierre Seel's ass during the attempt to exterminate him through work.

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Will Lassalle ever catch a break?

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Oh Engels you are a card

Because it stifles free speech and individual choice. On the feminism front, for example, the notion that nurture explains all gender differences and nature none is opinion rather than fact. Shouting down critics is no different than the religious right hassling women at abortion clinics. Peterson's contribution is to raise obvious inconsistencies – the pay gap persists in Sweden because women choose lower paying professions – and to balk at Orwellian rules like requiring "xi" as a gender neutral pronoun.

I don't want that
I don't care about that
It is, because those people are wrong and should be forcefully converted to atheism.
He hasn't made any contributions

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being racist is neither of those things

i didn't assert anything. i responded to your infactual claim and make you look hysteric, you are still wrong btw

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