Tell me again why Zig Forums by and large doesn’t support the one of the largest Marxist-Leninist parties in the world today again? One that very well could come to power?
They can be criticized potentially for using phrases such as “white monopoly capital” at times but I think a lot of the messaging we hear in the West is just more anti-communist propaganda and what better way to paint them as evil than to make them into “black Nazis”? Everything I’ve read from the EFF doesn’t suggest the smears are true, from their party constitution to Malema himself giving remarks. Either way, I think Marxists should critically support them in their struggle
Good point. But before supporting them I'll wait to see what side America chooses toe take in this conflict, then choose the opposite of that.
Joshua Wood
Anyone sane should support them It tells you something when NeoCons Neo-Nazis and Apartheid collaborating Tribal warlords come together to attempt to stop a group like EFF
Sebastian Howard
Niggers are on the left because they're both too low Autism Level to compete with white people, and too low trust to use nepotism to prefer blacks.
Therefore, they are committed to a nigger resource dictatorship where they whore to the Chinese rebuilding their cities for the dictators supporters. NIGGERS!(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
Alexander Cox
He omits "black supremacists" for a good reason. A huge part of their doctrine is quite literally identitarian, defining people's value according this warped ideology, nothing short of religious, in which skin color has significance and carries guilt through generations.
Have you heard Malema sing "kill the boer"? Frankly quite repulsive.
Carson Miller
While the Black IdPol of the EFF is bad I find it to be mostly overblown by USA and Euro E-Celebs And the "Kill the boer" song needs to be put into context as it is not just some song talking about the need to kill boers in Particular but was more a resistence song sung by the ANC / CPSA during the Anti-Apartheid struggle
Robert Sanders
Trump’s already sided with muh white farmers. No way in hell the American government would ever support the EFF. If the EFF ever gets really power South Africa will become another boogieman along with the other “axis of evil” or “troika of tyranny” countries.
EFF is literally as if Marxism was actually the strawman Zig Forums makes it to be (kill whitey etc.)
Wyatt Morales
Show me one speech where Malema or any other high ranking member of the EFF has advocated for the killing of whites merely on the account of their skin color. The “kill the boer” song doesn’t count, even Mandela sang that. It’s anti-apartheid
Asher Kelly
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Asher Powell
It's like if Richard Spencer was a white supremacy interested in marxist. He keeps saying "bourgeois" off his families trust fund after never getting a real career outside of the soy boy quasi think tank on the largess of neoconservatives. Fraud.
Connor Long
Once again, Kill the Boer, kill the farmer" was sung by none other than Mandela himself, after he was released from prison and emphasized national reconciliation. That's because it isn't a song against whites, it's a song against Apartheid. The National Party based its identity around the idea that God himself gave Boers permission to rule South Africa and to have control over its best land. The "Boer" in this context is the overall system. Its lyrics torn from their context can be used against whites, but in context it's another way of saying "give Black people their land back," which is one of the stated goals of the EFF.
Asher Nguyen
malema is a typical south african politician with notorious corruption scandals.
mandela was an idiot and a neoliberal stooge. he's the same fag that pulled a 180 on his party's economic program of nationalization when he was released from prison. the big bourgeoisie of South Africa literally sat down with Mandela and outlined what economic policies he should pursue.
Jace Lee
I mean, it's not exactly philosophy but it's quite explicitly saying "Boers" (i.e. white skinned people in SA). If it was against Apartheid, it shoot have said "shoot the racists/slavemasters/etc." But it doesn't because it's quite literally a racist bullshit song.
And here we have it, advocating that people deserve something because of the color of their skin and others should have things taken away or punished because of theres. True colors.
Bentley Perry
Okay. So how will you defend the slogan "Honeymoon is over for white people in South Africa?" Or the fact that pretty much every statement they make focuses primarily on the "white vs black" struggle, effectively obscuring the class nature of the conflict and further stimulating racial division?
Jaxson Taylor
fuck I'm tired, I can't even English.
Caleb Flores
Hmm I wonder why. I’m sure you’d be singing racist songs too if you were stripped of your citizenship, forced to abide by an internal passport system, forced to live in ghettos as a source of cheap labor and assigned to tiny, non-contiguous and dispersed “homelands”, not to mention South Africa is brimming with literal fascists who masturbate over “muh Volksstaat”, “muh Boerestaat”. Not siding with the EFF, at least critically, is aiding fascism and imperialism in South Africa
This is absurd logic with no basis. It'd be completely reasonable to rail against the ones who enslaved me and their supporters, but using skin color as the basis of this resistance is goblin-level thinking
While these idiots exist, it's not as large as you're making out. Still, of course they should be called out and ridiculed.
Okey dokey
Sebastian Perez
I understand that that's the way this "anti-white" logic actually came into being, but that does not make it an example of good political thought.
Carter White
A slogan isn't a program. Slogans have to be catchy and a bit trollish to get attention. So, before jumping to conclusion I say let's check their program.
Eli Murphy
Frankly if someone was singing for my death, I'd be pretty suspicious of anything their program said
The lmao kill whitey thing didn't offend me, but this goes too far.
Sebastian Reyes
Stop making excuses for bourgeois spooks. Idealism is idealism, even if the person espousing it is in a fair position to be angry. The CIA domino theory'd the hell out of genuine leftist politics in Africa decades ago. It will be a while until we have another Sankara.
Jose Peterson
sorry sir, but you seem to be mistaken in the situation in south africa. In this case boers are the real monkeys, as they are the people who the dutch didn't want fucking up their shit, and Black people are the actually humans
I probably would, but I wouldn’t expect people of the same race I’m criticizing to support me while doing so. And than claim that there “bad marxists” or “fascists” when they denounce me.
Adrian Murphy
The EFF seem pretty based and if I lived in South Africa I would probably vote for them, but I don't so I don't have any strong opinions about the situation
I'm just kinda fed up with people in the U.S. or Europe having really strong opinions about how poor countries in other parts of the world should handle their business
David Wood
You have to go back.
Jonathan Wood
I don't know much about them. From what little I see here they are clearly using white as a synonym for bourgeois. Assuming that is what they are doing and not actually talking about white people I don't have a issue.
However, he's wrong in thinking that the PRC has not abandoned their original path. Unlike the Soviet Union which maintained state monopoly on most sectors and was able to develop themselves within this framework, the PRC with Deng Xiaoping went full capitalist shock therapy and their "socialism" is merely "social control," as in Chinese culture "social harmony" is vastly more important than individualist-minded concepts of freedom (totally alien to the Chinese).
If you speak to Chinese who haven't lived in western countries, or even many of those who do, all of the control they experience in the PRC is completely natural to them, and you'll notice how uncomfortable they are when you act as if such a state is in fact a totalitarian nightmare. Many will even praise it. They have returned to their Confucian bootlicking cunt philosophy roots and give no fucks for Marx or anything to do with actual liberation of human beings in the slightest.
It has nothing to do with whites or blacks. I don't have strong opinions about how Russia should be governed or any other country other than my own
Noah Evans
China is not a totalitarian nightmare, take your pills.
Caleb Cook
Kill Boer means kill Boer. Anything else is mental gymnastic used to justify the myth that every white person currently living in South Africa is rich due to his "evil ancestors" and not his own hard work.
EFF's ultimate goal is to chase out every white person or kill them if they refuse to leave. First it will be farmers then it will be everyone else.
After that they will sell out their country to Chinese.
Gabriel Hall
Furthermore do you really think the land will be given to people who want to farm it? You learned nothing from Zimbabwe and you will once again defend another failed racist African state.
If you can't think rationally about this then your politics are only based on racial hatred towards Europeans.
Evan Howard
Good job, Zhang
Jaxson Phillips
Ukrainian and Russian oligarch also work hard to get rich?
Mason Parker
Zimbabwe farmers = Russian kulaks.
Eli Scott
Your argument is based on a lie. Most white South Africans who will lose their land are far from rich.
Just like the Ukrainian farmers who were robbed of their wheat were not rich and starved to death.
Big think. Why not go after banks and large coorporations instead of robbing a working class man?
Michael Turner
Just 60 more and I can sit in business class again.
Yeah, but kulaks were liquidated for the purpose of collective farming. From what I can see they are proposing a land redistribution, which would simply create either a lot of inefficient subsistence farms (ruining efficiency and degrading harvests), or a bunch more of black wealthy farmers, who are as bad as white wealthy farmers.
Connor Cooper
You are regurgitating fascist propaganda, desist. The famine in the USSR in the 30's had natural causes, did not specifically target Ukrainians, and was avoided in the future through the success of collectivization.
Brayden Butler
South African housing issue involved South African government building houses then giving two or more houses to a single person who then sold them for a profit.
It's a corrupt failing government responsible for the water crisis in Cape Town. Then they cut water supply to farmers instead large factories which were using up much more water.
The white farmer is the main scapegoat for a failing system while being the most productive member of society.
Isaac Long
So USSR did not steal wheat from Ukranian farmers?
And you dare to call it a "fascist propaganda"?
Matthew Gomez
Kulaks were landowners and exploiters not working class people. Open a book.
Elijah White
fraus omnia corrumpit, my dude
Bentley Richardson
South Africa has a more democratic and open government than Zimbabwe, so the redistribution process would probably be much more transparent than in Zimbabwe where it was really just the president handing out land to his buddies in a shady under the table way.
Samuel Hall
How dare you!? Right, so I am the stupid one here because I'm not gonna read a website that demands you turn on javascript and open up your computer like goatse just to read some fucking text. That's it, buddy. I'm not racist, but I will now have to lynch a black man in protest against shitty web design (understand it's not meant as an act against black people, his black skin represents how those sites are like a black box). And this is all your fault.
Samuel Jones
"Stealing" from thieves and exploiters is 100% justified.
There are around 40,000 white farmers in South Africa. That's equivalent to a small town in the United States. That's half the population of Sioux City, Iowa. And yet this population controls most of the agriculture in South Africa? Doesn't seem fair tbh
There are 300,000 homeless people on the streets of Delhi. There are more homeless people in New York than there are white farmers in all of South Africa. Really shows some messed-up priorities that Americans are concerned more about the white farmers. It's not a big deal if the EFF expropriates all their land. Shows that whites here care more about white bourg in a foreign country than their own citizens; really sad.
Levi Perez
It would be a problem if the white farmers were simply replaced with black farmers. Then you would have the problem of a new black bourgeoisiey oppressing the proletariat of South Africa–and this has already occurred to a certain extent in urban areas.
Redistributing land towards small peasant holdings is a backwards looking and even reactionary. Redistribution of land is really only progressive when its a question of moving land from the domain of the aristocracy into that of the peasantry to advance capitalist production. The strange thing about this is that those black monarchs and chiefs who monopolize so much land that could be utilized for more productive purposes probably will not be touched for fear of sparking off a sectarian revolt.
The issue at stake is that South Africa already has a quite advanced capitalist system due to the particularities of its development. What the government should be doing is replacing private ownership of agriculture with state-ownership of land, either by taking farms into the public domain or leasing them to private owners. It's not like I'll cry if their property is expropriated but I do think the government (and the EFF) is handing the issue poorly and in the process opening themselves up to attack by reactionary forces internationally.
Adrian Scott
Every white person in South Africa is part of the bourgeoisie, the deeply triggering and problematic stuff can be criticized because it doesn't attack the black bourgeoisie but its not like they don't do that as well.
Land seizure is a good idea but it could go bad like it did in Zimbabwe.
Josiah King
Did you mean to say that they are not? Although the stories of white poverty in SA are exaggerated it is real for a significant section of the white proletariat and things are only good for most whites by African standards.
It can be argued that whites in general are part of a "labor aristocracy" in SA but I don't think it can be said they are all part of the bourgeoisie.
Joshua King
Does the EFF have any chance of winning ever? It looks like the ANC can't fuck up enough to ever lose.
Christian Sanchez
It's really a one-party state. Even ANC supporters begrudgingly admit that its super-corrupt and that extremely wealthy cliques are able to engage in "state capture". The Guptas for instance were just one family but they had a massive pull on the ANC government.
Samuel Long
gang gang
Cameron Long
I highly doubt this is true. Briefly condemning something is NOT deeply caring about it. And that’s all Burger whites are doing.
Justin Gonzalez
Hell there are right-wing maniacs going on college tours about this in the U.S. right now while it's top of the news on state television. Meanwhile our bridges are collapsing. Oh well. What can you do?
Elijah Myers
Who like two people?
I’ve never seen MSM mention anything related to SA.
American news talks all the time about the homeless in Libtard cities, but it's for the purpose of showing how hypocritical they are.
Brayden Robinson
Literally made up find me one source that supports that social credit is what you claim it to be that isn't Fox News or CommunismKills.com tier bullshit
Zachary Jones
Is it really a surprise? It's basically just saying that Semi-Wealthy Petite Bougies half a world away are "worth more" then Lumpen and Proles are on your side of the world because Muh wyatt skin
