YPG and DFNS thread

Yeah, I am sure if there's another thing they can easily agree on apart from disliking Daesh is that they dislike the Turkish military incursions.

Methinks, le rabid banhammer-wielders are resting in Morpheus' arms…

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So, has anyone here read "The Ecology of Freedom"?
It is probably the other reason pigdog bolsheviks don't like the Kurds anymore: They are for Libertarian Socialism, not Marxist-Leninist(-Maoist) authoritarianism.

why anarchists have no beef with imperialist powers supporting r*java?

I'm sure they see it as a temporary compromise, giving them time to build their society. Pragmatically speaking, it might be better than being overrun and killed or dispersed. But hardcore ideologues don't cope well with pragmatism.

Forest explain how the Russian Federation isn’t an imperialist power

I personally like Rójava, I think them alongside the Syrian government are the good guys in this whole shithole that is this civil war. That being said though, what do you mean when you say "true democracy"? What do you interpret from what they're doing as true democracy? Keep in mind I don't know too much about their form of government.

They use Democratic Confederalism. I’m not sure exactly what that entails constitutionally but it seems somewhat effective.

Because Russia is in Syria on invitation of the Syrian governent and does not plan to occupy land or build a pipeline

I did know about Democratic Confederalism but I thought that was their ideology as a whole, not just their form of government. I could be wrong though.

Daily reminder that Nestor Makhno was backstabbed by the bolsheviks because he insisted that the soviets in the territories he defended should be elected by the proles and not appointed by the central committee, as Lenin insisted.

Because the US military bases are a nessicary evil in their eyes. They don’t like it, but it’s presence allows them to advance their goals.

They governmental structure is based on direct democracy.

Imo direct democracy is true democracy, so that makes them better than I thought.

why they don't take lessons from history?
like what US did with those Afghani Mujahideen after using them.

That doesn’t mean anything. The US was in South Vietnam on the invitation of the Saigon regime. That doesn’t mean they weren’t imperialists fighting an imperialist war there.
That’s not true. They are planning on building a pipeline, and they likely won’t leave their base at Latakia any time soon.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Iraq–Syria_pipeline

They do, they just see using the US as a necessary evil. ML’s love to drone on and on about doing what is necessary to protect the revolution whenever it involves crushing proletarian democracy, but don’t seem to be willing to grant the benefit of the doubt to other tendencies.

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Pretty sure that’s going better for the Afghans than it is for the Americans. That war is unwinnable and if that’s your model then the Kurds will BTFO the US in a long guerrilla war.

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Are you fucking with me? The US assassinated the president of South Vietnam and replaced him with a puppet.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrest_and_assassination_of_Ngo_Dinh_Diem
The two scenarios are not even remotely comparable when Assad was inviting the Russians to help him against forces which were largely composed of foreigners with foreign backing.

I have never seen a credible source that this is "Russia-backed".

Are you comparing south Vietnam to the Syrian government? Remember I told you about your abuse of false equivalences, why do you persist with them?

This rat has a massive hate-boner for Russia/China but puts out alibis for western imperialism constantly. Always trying to rationalize heinous shit done by the US. He's been banned like 30 times now, but keeps coming back.

No they didn’t. A bunch of generals coup’d him with US approval and then executed him on their own initiative. Also, are you implying that Vietnam wouldn’t have been imperialist if Ngo had invited them instead of being deposed? Because that’s some grade A bullshit.
The North Vietnamese and NLF also had foreign backing. That didn’t make the Americans not imperialist in Vietnam.
Even if it’s not, even if there was no pipeline, point to me where Lenin wrote that imperialism is when you build pipelines. Russia is a capitalist power with a resource based economy. As such it is always on the hunt for new sources of wealth to occupy and exploit, much as it does in Central Asia. It would be naive to think that any porky country is even capable of acting altruistically. Even if Russia isn’t eyeing Syria’s resources now, you can’t seriously believe that they won’t use Assad’s dependence on them as leverage to obtain those resources in the future. ALL capitalist powers develop imperialist tendencies.
Consider the fact that legitimate national security interests (like keeping US encirclement at bay) and imperialist ambitions (like controlling Syrian resources) often overlap, especially for secondary powers like Russia.

Actually I condemn all US activity in the region and want to see Assad win the war. That doesn’t mean I’m going to make excuses for lesser imperialist powers.

On the issue of invitation by a local government being a criteria for whether or not intervention is imperialist, yes, I do compare them. Dependent states “consent” to interventions by major powers all the time, that doesn’t make those interventions not imperialist.

USA oil cockroaches the lot of them

Öcalan is a hack who just took Bookchin, stripped his work of anything meaningful and added geographically/culturally appropriate words to create the load of horse shit that is "democratic confederalism" (i.e. nationalism). Worse than Ayn Rand's "philosophy." And they will stay in power as long as US support keeps rolling.

never trust "national liberation" movements, they are chameleons who'll take whatever bullshit ideology may support them best from the outside but then sink their venom deep into the veins of other human beings they deem as other as soon as they get the opportunity

I support Rójava insofar as it's a socialist/communalist experiment. It's admirable. The issue is that it seems like its grassroots institutions aren't firmly established, which means they can be easily subverted, either by Assad or by US foreign interests, which are supporting Rôjava right now.

The main reason for Zig Forums's opposition is the latter - that Ròjava is a potential opening for the US to turn the region into another imperial puppet state. However, I honestly think that scenario is unlikely.

I think it's nearly guaranteed that Assad will forcefully take the Röjava region. This is actually why I think it's important to support Rõjava - because they have established some valuable institutions, including some measure of gender equality and religious tolerance. When they negotiate with Assad in reuniting Syria, I'd like to see those institutions maintained to whatever extent possible.

Also, pro-tip: this is the key issue dividing Zig Forums and Zig Forums, so if you're really interested in talking about it, I recommend hitting that board up, though it moves really slow.

The SyDF aren’t a natlib movement though, they’re revolutionaries. Their involvement with the US is both worrying and unfortunate, even if understandable given the circumstances. However I wouldn’t write them off as US puppets just yet, the possibility of a negotiated settlement with Assad resulting in a US withdrawal is very real, and any serious socialist should hope for this outcome.

I could see R*java functioning for the most part autonomously so long as they try to form a Federation with Assad and promise to aid in geopolitical and economic security for Syria as a whole, which I think are the Ba'athists primary concern anyway.

But their whole foundation is the liberation of "Kurdistan" from Syrian, Iraqi and Turkish authority. As much as they love to give their shtick about how their ideology seeks to be "without the state," in their Kurdish language literature they constantly talk about taking the whole of Kurdistan and naturally it will be under an authority (= nation-state) as it already is. They are nationalists without a doubt

You may be conflating different organizations, like the PKK and the PYD. The PKK are natlib, and Ocalan is their leader, but they operate mainly in Turkey and only send troops to Syria in support of the SyDF. The Syrian Kurds themselves operate a multi ethnic enclave, and have renounced separatism.

I was talking about both PKK and PYD. Sorry perhaps I misunderstood you. Speaking of SyDF's purported desire to live in some "multi-ethnic enclave," the evidence says otherwise. At the very least, the military component of the SyDF (YPG) has Öcalan's poison as their stated doctrine. They're quite open about it so I'm unsure what you're referring to. "Rojava" and Öcalan are quite inseparable.

are you serious?
they resisted their socialist revolution with the help of US, other imperialist countries and Wahabi states.
that the country is filled opium, hash, religious extremism, Pastun Nationalism, poverty and every single problem of the 3rd world.

how it is going to be better for Afghans?
I don't get it

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Darn I think I need to go to bed, I cannot tell which was which now….
Pic unrelated, just OC to trigger Leninists

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Same.
Tbh that would be the best solution with the stability of the region in mind.
Also such a compromise would curb the imperialist fantasies of Turkey

Nice OC lmoa

I see nothing wrong with this though. The problem with the Soviet Union is that it lacked the middle two-lined arrows.

if you truly think this is some "lend lease" deal they have
if you truly think the military power of the SU is comparable to the relation of one big US military base in Syria forces to US presence
and that they'll be allowed to have a voice of their own in this
then not sorry, but it cannot be said any other way, you are an idiot

how is the pic supposed to trigger leninists?

No, you're the idiot, and your pathetic grasp of geopolitics is laughable.

US aid to the Kurds in general is based on strategic support in the war against Al Qaeda and ISIS, which itself is broadly based on arms deals. Röjava is an easy ally because it's fighting ISIS, but it's also resistant to Russian/Assad forces. The drawback is that the US also has to balance its support of the Kurds with its alliance with Turkey, which is actually why the US briefly withdrew support early on in the Trump administration.

Assad has already threatened to retake the region, but he has also expressed a willingness to negotiate. This isn't a bluff - to go in without any negotiation would threaten the country's stability, and would be a serious administrative issue. So it's key that the Kurds, and Rôjava in specific, have a solid strategy for getting whatever concessions they can during negotiations.

So long as negotiations proceed, US intervention in that process is extremely unlikely, since it would undermine their alliances in the Middle East, and weaken them with Russia.

You're an idiot. Please kill yourself.

The two lined ones are really just indicators like the "…" for more of the same. I didn't want to have to copy dozens of "Sovjet" boxes.

Pic related.

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I am triggered.

So was I… after first reading the truth about shit liek this

I meant I the military sense. The US thought they could control the Mujahideen but now are trapped in an unwinnable war against them.

these aren't even right. give me a few minutes in photoshop and I will show you an ACTUAL bolshevik shithole

Am actually hyped

Yeah, I wonder where this is going…

Why was the thread anchored?

They lost a war to them

Meanwhile Nazi shitposters get free reign.

The D.F.N.S. uses Democratic Confederalism as their ideology, a non-state, direct democracy type deal. Basically everyone has a council and all decisions develop from the grassroots; from village to village. 2/3 of all property are collectives. They retained much of their anarchist roots, ironic considering most foreign fighters are huge ☭TANKIE☭s. Their relationship with the US is one of necessity and the whole "dozen military bases" meme is actually false information from the Turks. Their are no permanent bases in Rojavâ: patrols in Manbij, Tel Abyad, Kobanî, and the forces north of Hajin.

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Still waiting

So, are they still out, shopping the photos?

theyre like the green movements in 1920s russia