Spent so much time on here arguing for co-ops now look people are doing it and its working
Spent so much time on here arguing for co-ops now look people are doing it and its working
Robert Reyes
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Mason Lee
the mayor sounds like a socdem dressed in red but I guess anything is better than AKP shit
Blake Peterson
I'm sorry, but Communism can never come from co-ops, communes, or any other utopian bullshit.
Unless C-M-C is abolished, it will just regress back into capitalism, which isn't possible because paying anyone anything other than the country's currency is legally counted as slavery, which is illegal, in most places.
Kevin Cooper
anything that starts with "im sorry" always bullshit. Who do you think is more likely to communise in the event of economic collapse and a revolutionary situation? a network of co-operatives or a network of privately owned businesses? In the mean time the proletariat can enjoy better working conditions
Asher Flores
also you've just said communism can't come from communes…. lol
Owen Wilson
cringe af
Michael Cook
Sounds nice but pretty lame. The means of production need to be seized (or communised, whatever), not developed, for CMC to be abolished. They can be developed and re-tooled obviously but it's not like we need more of anything. This article is about meme-tier 'vote with your wallet' liberalism. Don't forget that freedom is a kind of discipline. Communisation will not work if people are thinking in terms of economism. If the workers at this coop take their work seriously and such coops actually foster some sort of solidarity and budding ethos of the postcapitalist future that's great but I'm doubtful that it's so.
Blake Miller
Co-ops literally means you vote on workplace policy.
Isaiah Thompson
as always the anarkiddie fails to see the bigger picture.
let me tell you how economic collapse would work for mutualism vs capitalism
now capitalism
Levi Watson
t. 10yo autodidact lawyer
Getting to Communism in general is illegal. Paying somebody something else than a country's currency is not illegal everywhere, and even where it is, people can sometimes choose not to follow that rule. People living together come up with and use internal point-allocation systems. The problem is when dispersed communities want to link up, then it becomes nearly impossible to keep these accounting systems a secret for long. So at that point you need a government that tolerates that or one that doesn't have the energy to intervene.
What do you mean by "we both", literally the two of you? And what is then attacking supposed to be. I can't visualize any scenario here except a kid clicking on troops in a computer game while having these dumb thoughts.
Joseph Nguyen
A cooperative isn't just that. A cooperative the members of the cooperative own and manage the cooperative. In a workers cooperative the workers own and manage the co-op. In a community cooperative the community owns and manages the co-op.
Alternative currencies are legal in various countries and states and some even are tax exempt. If it's not tax exempt all you have to do is pay in a mix of community currency and government currency enough to pay taxes. Even in the US community currencies are legal and various exist as is. A community currency even can be labour vouchers issued by a union of co-ops. However you may run into the issue of taxes placed on the co-op itself but assuming this co-op accepts government currency not only community labour vouchers it will likely pull in enough government currency to pay off corporate taxes. It may be possible to get tax exemption status various ways. If it can't be obtained as a business it may be able to be obtained as a religious group or community volunteer work program.
Jonathan Ross
TITO GANG GANG GANG
Gabriel Jenkins
PRETTY COOL: SEEMS FOR THE MANY, NOT THE FEW.
MADE BY CORBYN-MCDONNELL GANG
Oliver Diaz
Thats a neat fanfic my dude
"me (an elected leader) and my friend who's elected from another company hatch a plan
we both attack each others co-ops to trick people into thinking they're being attacked"
You and whose fucking army? So you are your autistic friend throw rocks at each others co-ops, and the militia throws you in a cell like "lol, what a pair of fags" and carries on with their day…
I love how you think a fiction about you yourself conducting a false flag attack somehow equates to actual analysis
It includes the words "i am now king"
and "it works and i make a fuck tonne of money"
Unbelievable faggotry really quite terrible 2/10 you tried
Evan Scott
why are you doubtful?
have you ever actually been part of any left wing organisation? Collective decision making fosters solidarity in and of itself, definitely more so than being dictated to by a capitalist boss or board. You take ownership of decisions.
I see this all the time union organising, it is difficult to get people engaged unless you give them a little piece of the project to work on, it makes them feel part of the process rather than just an appendage that can be there or not
Lincoln Powell
People in this thread ought to read Lenin.
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So in simply terms, Lenin says here that cooperatives are one way to move towards socialism within the DOTP (cooperatives are not socialism, but it can help in the moving to it). However, cooperatives within capitalism will never move towards socialism, the political conquest of power by the working class is necessary.
Camden Adams
I would think that in practice co-ops would tend to be somewhat upscale. If the workers own the MOP and give themselves humane working conditions, they are out-competed by the capitalist chains.
Would not be surprised if this ends up being the next hip thing for Turkey's professional caste.
Hunter Carter
To make it work we need large popular and political support for cooperatives. They also need to be deeply interconnected with one another and ready to boycott merely capitalist enterprises.
We need to get politicians into office ready to implement policies that favor cooperatives, and gradually democratize authoritarian enterprises. (Putting ever more workers in executive positions, giving people control over their workplace, etc.)
Anthony Wright
НЭТ.
Jason Stewart
Yes! There is massive difference when between happenings in socialist and crapitalist country.
Benjamin Brooks
Are Co-ops in capitalism gonna be a path to establishing socialism? No, of course not. But can it help to radicalise workers and bring them farther left? Yes, of course. When the larger, traditional corporate competition comes to shove, and when the government comes to shove for them, they'll remember that and people will move further to the left as a result. Again, no co-ops aren't socialism (when existing in capitalism) nor are they a path to it, but they are very much useful for our ends.