I find that when I get someone to agree with my beliefs, this doesn't sit well with me. It makes me suspicious that they've misheard what I said, or that I didn't say what I really meant, or that I was wrong all along. Winning people's approval somehow feels worse than getting a shitty take in return. Like they aren't thinking critically about what I've said, and just accept it blindly. Like they haven't grasped the full subtlety of my point, and are getting away with the opposite impression I intended to give. It would be much easier to be dumb rightist and place my trust in the truth of the nation or whatever, but I can't do that, I know it's ultimately on the individual to understand and communicate things.
This existential doubt must be preventing me from effectively promoting communism. I'm not looking for converts, I'm looking for strife. Meanwhile, this feeling might be exactly what drives me to develop and share my beliefs. Do others here have similar feelings or am I just crazy?
Also, general outreach strategies thread, I suppose.
Nah mate I get what you're on about. I reckon unless people actually care they won't actually grasp what it is we're talking about.
Jaxon Richardson
I tend to really focus on attacking the problems, which is capitalism. The fact of the matter is that most people hate the cops, their bosses, etc.
Levi Martin
They'll probably agree with you on the problems but not necessarily with the solutions you suggest. You could just discuss the issues more to see if they really agree with you or not.
Logan Long
How I approach people and argue with them will vary from person-to-person. I always try to focus on things that people actually care about and don’t try to linger on historical details as much as possible (while not denying that socialism in the 20th century was NOT perfect though did many great things if this comes up). Best points for me, an American, is talking on healthcare, ending the endless wars, workplace democracy, costs of education, exploitation, and generally just shitting on the US government. Some of that could be accomplished under capitalism of course but it is still a step in the right direction that gets people to listen to you and accept your ideas.
If it’s an evangelical retard you’re arguing with just pretend to be a Christian and start quoting Acts 2:44-45 and Acts 4:32, 34 and 35 to BTFO them
David Murphy
OP, that's good old obsessive neurosis and the constant selfdoubt that comes with it.
Connor Scott
disregard flag
Nathan Rivera
It's ridiculously easy to shill communist ideology as long as you don't call it communism, since most people don't even know what communism is.
Robert Smith
It's kinda funny, of all the people I've tried to convince online that socialism is good I've never been able to convince a sigle nigga. Hell irl too probably.
Alexander Mitchell
Absolutely. I used to explain things using exact terms, but in the past six months I've made a conscious effort to temper my language when discussing politics with people. Knowing the correct language to describe economic situations and theory is essential for oneself. knowing when not to use them is essential for sidestepping "muh commies killed all the bad people" Plus using opposition to reactionaries is useful too. I've got liberals to unironicly agree with work-camps for the orange order but simply changing how I describe them :L
Ayden Cooper
*Bad people sorry ment to say just people. Freudian slip
Jonathan Cruz
This is bad practice. Let me just make this really, really clear for you guys. You can NOT trick people into being Communists! You are all welcome.
That needs a semicolon, and it sounds fucking lame. Anyways, I think the only way to really be a Socialist is to actually physically organize. You need to actually produce something undeniably Socialist. A podcast is an example of this, but so is you and a few friends protesting, or just trying to get people to read Capital. You don't have to be out at Walmart unionizing people in the name of Communist development. My point being that I don't know if arguing with a few people really does anything. I think this attempt to be a Communist revolutionary and to live a normal, socially acceptable life creates the want to argue with people but to try to sidestep their arguments, so that you can still conform and be a revolutionary. The thing is that all you end up doing is conforming. The only feeling I have in relation to Communism/being a Communist is uncertainty. I have no clue what to do, and it is painfully obvious everyone else here is in the same boat, even though they act like they know exactly what they are doing. If only Karl Marx could reach on down from on high and guide my actions.
Levi Richardson
That's because everyone is just humoring your retarded beliefs. I mean, everyone already knows how communism ends up. You might have better luck recruiting people from some sort of "suicide support group", since you're telling everyone they should starve to death in a gulag anyway.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
the majority of people support centralized health care, worker's rights, higher minimum wage, lower military budget, and stronger EPA regulations. but yes, I'm sure everyone is just secretly a closet neoliberal Fascist Pinochet who just can't wait for communism to go
Colton Cruz
This feeling eventually leads to apathy.
David Lewis
Those are all the reasons why nobody supports communism. Under capitalism, you can:
I don't understand why you posted this. Feels like you didn't really communicate anything here.
Jaxson Wood
Hmmmm, I think we are on to something here. I wish I could type out vomit, and just give you that exactly. A gigantic bucket of vomit for you.
Aiden Cook
because the workers employee themselves lmao, how about voting with your labor? workers and consumers are one and the same see above because?… because?…
Justin Brooks
*employ
Levi Howard
You want to tell me when this ever did anything of significance?
