I have little love for China, but I’m feeling skeptical of this Uyghur business...

I have little love for China, but I’m feeling skeptical of this Uyghur business. Does anybody have sources on what is going on? It seems like there is a minor hysteria building around China with the notion they have a million Muslims in concentration camps, that they’re enacting genocide against uyghurs, etc. clearly there is usually some truth to these things, but it seems so outrageous and I’m not entirely sure what reason they’d have for randomly killing and imprisoning these people when there are other Muslim groups that aren’t targeted, and the state is doing so well and enjoys such support that they don’t need any scapegoat for problems.

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hrw.org/report/2018/09/09/eradicating-ideological-viruses/chinas-campaign-repression-against-xinjiangs
grayzoneproject.com/2018/08/23/un-did-not-report-china-internment-camps-uighur-muslims/
liberationnews.org/tiananmen-the-massacre-that-wasnt/
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To me it looks like a two-bad-sides conflict. Capitalist Han Chinese vs. worse-educated lower-paid Islamists. Hopeless situation, not worth thinking about.

I'm wondering how much Saudi is tampering with the Uyghurs to turn them into jihadis to fuck with China.

As someone who despises modern-day China I fully 100% support their actions towards the Uyghurs and view it as a very good way to clamp down on Islamic extremism. Fact of the matter is those mooslams are prone to jihadist tendencies and need to be strictly watched and, if necessary, re-educated, which is what China is doing.

And no, the Chinese are not killing them. That's bullshit fearmongering. Not even the Western press believes that Uyghurs are dying by the thousands in those camps.

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If you want a cringefest, go to /r/Islam on plebbit and search for "Uyghur". Holy shit, the amount of hysteria is incredible.

Nothing wrong with clampling down on religion. However targeting people because of their nationality is something China might do. Their is rascism against Uyghurs and other minorities in China.

Hui Muslims aren't targeted because they aren't hardcore jihadis. This isn't about race.

Doing it for you:
old.reddit.com/r/islam/search?q=Uyghur&restrict_sr=on&include_over_18=on

Clearly that is a part of it, it seems open knowledge that there was terrorist activity in the region for years which preceded a heavy government response. However, I kind of question the reporting on the scale of the whole thing because of who seems to have originated all of these reports. It mostly started with an HRW report that made the claim there were a million people being held in camps:
hrw.org/report/2018/09/09/eradicating-ideological-viruses/chinas-campaign-repression-against-xinjiangs

However, when you look at their citation you find it is sourced to Radio Free Asia and Chinese Human Rights Defenders (CHRD). The former should be familiar to anyone who has followed to DPRK news, Radio Free Asia is assuredly a propaganda tool of the American state. I've not heard much about CHRD, but when you look into them there is very little online except that they are an NGO based out of Washington DC. RFA made their estimate based on a "leaked police report" from Uyghur exhiles living in Turkey who run a TV station. CHRD made their estimate based on "dozens of interviews" with Uyghur locals who estimated how many people were arrested from their towns, and then extrapolated it across the region. Additionally, CHRD pointed to an annual report by the Supreme People's Procuratorate as well as the local Xianjing procuratorate's arrest numbers in order to suggest that although Xianjing made up 1.5% of the population of China, in 2017 it accounted for something like 20% of arrests in all of China.

So the former accounts seem easy to question as hearsay, but the latter is based on real data supplied from the state. However, the state didn't actually provide direct numbers of arrests for 2017 from what I gather, it provided numbers for 2013-2017 with hard numbers in previous years, so CHRD subrated 2013-2016 from the total and got numbers for 2017. This seems valid, but I'm confused about two things. They claim that the arrests are a part of the 2014 crackdown on Uyghurs, and yet that crackdown in prior years only resulted in about 10k more arrests annually in the region for the prior years with hard numbers. Yet in the year with no specific numbers, the CHRD estimated number shot up from 20k to nearly 300k. What was so special about 2017 that the Chinese state just arrested 200k extra people? Furthermore, the SPP claimed in the same annual report that their total number of arrests for the period between 2013-2017 was actually down from the prior 5 year period by 4%. So they've supposedly seen a downward trend in arrests. Now, this doesn't necessarily mean people aren't getting arrested at a greater rate in Xianjing, maybe everywhere else arrests declined but they increased a lot in Xianjing. But their numbers don't really seem to reflect that, they just leave the basically steady bulk of arrests along with a sudden burst of Xianjing based arrests. Given that there is that steady rate of arrests for prior years, I wondered what the arrest rate was for years before this period that would see a sudden burst in 2017 still reflect an overall downward trend. It was hard to find much, but it looks to me as though you can go as far back as 2006 and find regular english press releases from the SPP which states around 800k people were arrested for the year. So if every year is around 800k, how the hell is there a 5 year period capped off with 1,000,000+ arrests, but they register this as a 4% reduction in arrests? I'm genuinely confused, I have no answer. I just don't know whose numbers are fucked and in what ways.

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Just as an update to a mostly dead thread, I figured that the Xinjiang party leadership changed around 2017 which would account for the shift in policy. It's obviously the case that there is no mass killing occurring, and user above is right that no MSM claims that to be occurring, but it does seem like China is in the middle of an interesting historical fuck-up going back to the Soviet influence in that whole general area of "Turkestan". At least, a fuck-up in the sense that a sort of national identity was fostered there by the communists which later resulted in the separatist movement that China has been increasingly cracking down on since the 90s. I noticed that a lot of videos on it have people in the comments commending them on beating down the islamists, but I think ironically China has done a lot to bolster them in the old "war on terror" mold of antagonizing enemies where they don't exist until they do start to exist.

Why? Because some socdem trots or online MLM larpers told you it isn't socialist anymore?

Based Ben Norton wrote an article sort of debunking parts of this:

No, the UN Did Not Report China Has ‘Massive Internment Camps’ for Uighur Muslims

grayzoneproject.com/2018/08/23/un-did-not-report-china-internment-camps-uighur-muslims/


China is not socialist.

It isn't socialist anymore

History has shown that surveillance predominantly targets left-wing activists and politicians.

How is China socialist?

Correction: Not predominantly, but I should rather say that leftists are generally always targeted by government surveillance.

Yeah because radical measures worked so well in Chechnya…

Ironic

not really you dumb shit

I WoNdEr WhY tHeY'rE iSlAmISts in the first place.

Fucking retard.

The han chinese want to control their country by homogenising the population culturally. Distinct ethnic groups in seperate areas create political divisions that weaken the grip of the central han authorities. This is why they are exporting han chinese to all the areas outside of china proper such as tibet and the west. In the case of the west they also attack a source of fundamental distinction, religion, which isnt much of a concern in tibet, where religion is much more in line with han and the centralized feudal monks are targeted instead.

That is how I understand it. From my experience in china they dont like cultural distinction and do their damned hardest best to eradicate it, such as pushing 普通话 (mandarin) over other chinese languages such as Min and Hakka and this point of heavy standardisation has been a cultural trend since long before the fall of the emperor.

truly instigates one to ponder

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Hard to know what to do when it sounds like both sides are wrong. Uyghur separatism would never work across the whole region because they are most dense in the south, so it would have to be a fracturing. The south is poorer, and it would likely remain poor after separation. What China should do is develop it and educate people more effectively than having them recite laws in a detainment center. They should commit to their laws and actually allow cultural and religious freedom. The Uyghurs and Chinese would be better off. If they want to teach everyone Mandarin kidnapping them isn’t very helpful to the stability and integration the goal was trying to achieve in the first place.

The USSR also did this, why is it bad?

There literally are Pan-Turanianism Nazis there that wanna make a Mongolian Empire. Yes they wanna include Hungry and Finland too.

Same reason for why China doesn't like the Absolute Monarch Dalai Lama who would make a massive slaver empire that if you were a dirt farmer and you had the misfortune of accidentally hearing the wisdom of the monks preaching. You'd be executed for your crimes va them pouring molten silver into your ears as punishment.

Or Falun Gong which literally wants Race-Mixed and Gay people to be killed.

It has been pretty quiet for a while now, notwithstanding some occasional terrorism.

baboon must live in zoos(BABOON WAS SENT TO THE ZOO)

A) They didn’t
B) The majority of the Soviet Economy wasn't privately owned

China has a Capitalist Market economy and a corrupt as Fuck Communist party
the odds of some hardline uprising establishing a socialist economy is quite low


But that being said Muh concentration camps for BAZED Uyghurs are lies
Dalai Lama is a CIA backed Right-Winger whose supporters want to return Tibet to Absolute Monarchy
Tianamenn square uprising was an attempt to turn China to a Yeltsinite tier AnCap hellscape
Hong Kong protesters literally want a return to british monarch

There were violent agitators that were CIA agents in there but a majority were Maoists against the revisionists doing the market reforms in the government.
The rest are true though.

you realize religion is illegal in China, right?

False.

liberationnews.org/tiananmen-the-massacre-that-wasnt/

Unlike you I know actual conservatives IRL and one of them actually sent me a Wall Street Journal article crying about how the uyghurs are being oppressed by the chinese; which is how I found out about this issue in the first place. I can extrapolate from that that the average conservatard is using this as an opportunity to bash China. How, then, am I regurgitating "conservative propaganda" when I am defending China in this instance? Please try thinking more critically.

Uyghur separatists are almost certainly jihadis on Saudi payroll.

China has just barely over 20 million Muslim overal

The original claim of this story invented by a Washington D.C. based U.S. government owned "NGO" was that 1 Million Uyghurs where facing "repression"

About as much as saying America has put Millions of black people into concentration and deathcamps