First of all, I do not live in the US so this is just the opinion of an outside observer.
US is the largest threat humanity is currently facing with their continuous imperialist wars.
A progressive liberal movement has been growing in US politics who are anti-war. Polls show that the wars waged by the US are getting more and more unpopular.
So, if (big if) they don't pivot, could we consider that getting those people in power a step toward furthering our ends?
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Yes, purely because the US being neutered is inherently beneficial to every other major leftwing movement in the world.
Really? How many representatives have they got?
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That "growing" progressive movement doesn't care about imperialism. Bernie Sanders is very pro war, as is Ocasio-Cortez.
The anti-war movement can be counted on to have big marches if the President is a Republican but not anything else.
Just kill us.
I've thought about this and yeah, I pretty much agree. the Libertarian Party along with Justice Democrats are both staunchly anti-neocon. Though neoliberalism is also very much unpopular 5:1, I'm willing to bet corporate-controlled America is much more willing to get rid of the M-I complex everyone hates as a bargaining plea.
unfortunately the status quo politicians are still very much in denial about their unpopularity.
Real talk here.
If NATO gets disbanded and USA leaves the World, all it will do is cause the creation of a pre-WW2 world where it's nations fighting each other. Whats to stop an actual Fascist super-power from rising in like Europe, Middle East, Africa, Asia and conquering each other.
The only real way for a Communist World is if hardcore Leftists do a coup of NATO or the US Military and then conquer everyone else.
I'm gonna go against the grain here. Because of the Melting Pot of the USA nature, a Leftist forcing of its values is the only way to get rid of how for 99% of the World they literally view people of other groups as Sub-Humans.
The people I've known of the most who want a muti-polar world are Fascist and Nationalists who want the ability of their Nation to do whatever they want without the pesky nature of the USA forcing Pax America or Leftists who think that they can seize control of a Nation more easily.
I don't really see anything good coming from it.
Yes the USA and NATO has caused problems for us, but honestly speaking it is the best means possible of getting what we need. We can use it to make up for everything that has gone wrong.
We need to view it as a tool. We need to take control of it, and then use it. The only way that a world wide socialist order could ever emerge is if the US military and police were co-opted over time by hardcore dogmatic leftists and overthrew the government in a coup and began conquering
The US Military can survive the most hardcore purges you can think of, The USN could be cut by 2/3s and no enemy could invade, the US Marine cut by half and the US Army by 7/8ths and the Airforce by 1/3rd. So amazingly enough, the US military could survive an explicit hardcore, political purge on a massive scale and the USA would still be immune to military invasion and conquest.
What about The French and The English?
1) These are the conditions under which revolutions happen.
2) NATO is an imperialist organization, sure you should try to get the military in your country on your side, but NATO will always be bourgeois muscle
3) Do you think it's better for imperialists to slowly drain the living force of workers all around the world? What are we waiting for?
The US is in the top of the hierarchy. Just imagine what would happen to the EU if suddenly the US stopped existing.
They'd just start invading even more countries.
What's to stop a repeat of the USSR-Polish War in which the USSR was stopped which caused the formation of the Axis who then crushed the USSR even further.
You mean a repeat of World War 2 in which literally all of Europe turns Fascist?
Possibly WW3.
You are implying that the US is holding the EU back.. Are you serious?
Fascism is gonna rise sooner or later either way. Capitalism's antagonisms will require fascism to defend against revolutions.
The difference is that in one case you have a fractucommunism that can be beaten by revolutions, while in the other case you have a more unified fascist front.
*a fractucommunism
goddamn it. *fractured_fascism
You really think that the EU is sweet and innocent?
No, because they want other things besides just anti-war. You can have people who are anti-war across the entire political spectrum.
However, the devil is in the details and any regular progressive is not your friend, especially the twitter-brand liberals who make up the majority of the progressive movement. Each and every one of them will bend to social pressure due to the fact that they subsist as populists and not actually as strong tentpoles of the socialist left.
Cortez, for instance, has already flipped on the majority of her rhetoric, and she hasn't even been in office a year yet.
Anti-war is going to be the new talking point of the 2020 election, I guarantee it. Literally every wolf who was jerking themselves off at 9/11 will be stepping into their sheeps clothing for the elections to the point where I doubt the primaries will have anything but wolves in it.
If you want to have a politician with serious change,you're going to need a politician which will not back down on their socialist policies and has enough of a spine to tell the Democrats to fuck themselves if they try to Bernie them in the future. I don't think such a candidate exists in politics, yet.
Who got us involved in Libya? Who get's more of the oil from Iraq? The USA is just the muscle. Western Europe is the kingpin.
IMF and the Shadow Empire cause more harm to Africa than the USA.
No, I think the EU has the same interests with the US when it comes to war, at least for the time being.
This means that if the US were to go isolationist, the EU would lose power, not start attacking everyone.
According to your logic, Italy and Greece are the kingpins of EU. Are you serious? You can't just draw a straight line in complex economical relations to make out who's ahead.
They're only antiwar because a Republican is in office. As soon as the Democrats take power again the progressives will support their wars, just like they did Obama's.
And I know who they are gonna go after.
There's no such thing as an anti-capitalist capitalist nation. All of Europe is capitalist.
Social democracy is not socialism.
Tories in GB, Macron in France, Merkel in Germany
Far right is gaining popularity all across Europe
That's false. One of Trumps promises was to stop the war in Iraq and focus on building the US. I believe this played a very big role in his election.
Tulsi Gabbard is at least pro-Assad. She's not favored among progressives, though, and just seen as a weird ally of convenience under Trump and Pelosi.
I said western Europe. I don't even get what you're saying.
Isn't that what you're doing by singling out The USA?
Back to my original point. If The USA suddenly withdrew from world politics and military actions France and England would just lead the way 100% of the time instead of following the USA into the expeditions half the time and leading the charge the other half.
You can see in your chart that the exports of Iraq go to Greece 6%, Italy 4% and the rest of Europe gets 9%. According to your logic, whoever gets more Iraqi exports is the "kingpin".
The US spends more than 50% of its budget on military spending. It provides the largest army than any nation. Also, it has the largest weapon export of any country and it is significantly higher than all of the EU's. The US plays the most significant role in NATO that's a fact.
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Tulsi Gabbard is…questionable.
The oil wasn't the only point and not just Iraq. We got two continents worth of oil over here. Who really is dependent on this Middle East and African oil was the point I was making there.
Yeah and you think if we pulled out of NATO Euros wouldn't just increase military spending and keeping invading countries without USA support? If The USA wasn't the number one arms exporter that France and England and Germany wouldn't make up the difference? Europe's already on closing the gap with The USA even without The USA suddenly disappearing from the arms game.
What gives you the impression that the EU can sustain to increase its military spending the amount they would lose if the US left?
Increased military spending to continue the wars at the same rate while losing the US as a trading partner would most likely bring about a huge crisis.
Also, I'm not trying to downplay the EU's involvement in this. EU countries allow NATO bases in their territories and send army as well. That doesn't change the fact that the US is the biggest contributor.
Europe is a major Arms seller.
Sweden's money is from a Strong Military-Industrial Complex. They don't have the population willing to fight so they are super high-tech.
I know they are. And they're increasing.
You could've saved the png then posted it. Why don't you post a graph for 2016 to 2018 and beyond?
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Germany outlines radical hike in defense spending
Germany plans to hike its defense budget by 40 percent to €60 billion between 2019 and 2023, according to a confidential procurement plan to be presented to lawmakers today.
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Nations’ military budgets expand to average 2.42% of GDP
Here's one for 2017 and it's pretty much the same.
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By the way, your chart only shows spending as a percentage of GDP which obscures the US' huge amount of spending and the effect of it leaving would have.
Even if the whole of the EU increases spending by 40%, it doesn't reach the amount of money the US spends.
You are arguing against facts
We're talking about hypotheticals so there are no facts here. We're talking about what effet the USA unilaterally stopping all militarism would have on Europe and The World at large. Obviously there would be some decreases in global military trade but obviously their would be an increase in demand for weapons that are no longer available from The USA and an increase of the exports of all the other major players: Russia, France, Germany, and England.
Exports have nothing to do with military spending. Military spending doesn't even equate lethality, effectiveness, or anything else. What if 95% of that budget was just going to kickbacks? A country with 100% efficient spending, spending 5% of the country wasting 95% of their spending would be spending an equal amount on outcomes. Do you have figures for military waste of USA vs. Europe?
Sadly, this.
No one complained about Clinton or Obama, and they did equally bad imperialistic shit.
I think people are more aware of the media bias and their stake in global imperialism, but at the same time there are still tons of NPCs who watch red-flavored or blue-flavored television in the morning before work and consider that to be gospel.
Critical support for Hindu nationalism against Islamist imperialism.
Real talk. China will be the dominant capitalist superpower within this century unless Flumpf stops them (he won't) . The US is slipping hard already. Since China will form the Capitalist core they will form the base and the superstructure of the global economy and therefore the culture so we can assume people will be wearing silk Cheongsam's, tea ceremonies and Confucianism will form the core of "muh values" while parts of the west will flip into the new master's or descend into idpol and irrelevance
If America goes down China will suffer tremendously as well. The age of unipolarity is over.
That's an American talking point. I don't think America will "go down" so much as it will gradually lose influence and allies (already happening) and be embroiled in a perpetual internal shitfest and "go down" very very slowly like the Spanish or the Ottoman Empire China already domiantes all manufacturing soon they will dominate E-commerce with Alibaba taking control of Asia Yurop and Huawei already toppling Apple in terms of sales globally.
No the America talking point is that China will simply replace the US. This is generally used as a fear mongering tactic in order to force people to accept American dominance since it is a known evil rather than risk the new horrors that capitalist Chinese hegemony might bring.
The new Chinese overlords will be far more benevolent than the Western barbarians. Their grace and kindness is unmatched in history, may I remind you that they managed to become the number one world economy without invading a single country or establishing a single colony, during the same stage of accumulation Europe and America were invading and colonizing everyone the Chinese being the masters of diplomacy and bureaucratic ingenuity don't need to coerce you for your loyalty they will simply buy it from you while the Westerners will descend into more cruel barbarity and tyrannical abuse of their own people to compensate for their economic loses.
They'll march straight into Russia because it's "anti-progressive" and use it as an excuse for imperialism.
Oh god, this should be capped.
They have established plenty of areas in Africa that are owned by them and it's almost exclusively Chinese working there. If that doesn't count as a colony I don't know what does.
yes you dumbass. the core US policy for europe was to keep it dependant on the US and to keep it from forming its own policies.
because they know that if europe becomes a third power its gonna become a superpower.
Pure eternal anglo
Europe is not a single country. Germany is pretty much an imperialist superpower. It is the head of the EU economically.
There sure is some conflict between the EU and the US, but the large conflict is between NATO and Russia, China, other sovereign governments.