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Looks like 4/pol/ is flirting with class consciousness. Perhaps we can steer them on the correct path.

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It's amazing how much Zig Forums boomers enjoy being cucked. I really don't understand it.

Zig Forums is already 100% class conscious. They just have petit bourg and lumpen consciousness. That's why they are fascists.

Also this gem.

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That user in the screencap could very well be a character in a Houellebecq novel about an alienated Western sex tourist.

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You haven't seen anything yet. Just wait until January 2019 rolls around and the price of everything spikes because of Trump's trade war.

Once I started reading Marxist stuff it was pretty amazing. My reaction was: well shit, he nailed it, why didn't I read this sooner?

Honestly, at this point I wouldn't mind half-chan being overrun with actual fascists and national "socialists" again. At least those people had an apparent dislike for free market capitalism and the "establishment", even if the only reason they did was because of "muh joos".
Yes, I am very much aware fascism and NutSac are still capitalist by their very structure, I'm just saying that at least those people complained about the system. With a fascist all I have to do is explain what capitalism actually is and how removing non-white populations won't fix the problems it causes, then we can debate from there. With unironic pro-capitalist boomers though you have to start with them thinking nothing with capitalism is wrong period, and that if you are experiencing any problems you just aren't working hard enough or aren't in the right job.

My stock comment to these people is to tell them that capitalism is prone to accumulation and effective demand problems which regularly erupt in crises and recessions or depressions. Now, they all know this is a fact and actually think this is healthy, of course, but one of the outcomes is that a whole lot of people who did everything they were "supposed to do" still get wiped out by forces way beyond their control.

"But they shouldn't have taken out those loans!"

Sure, if they had the foresight. But most people don't. And it's easy to say that now, even though home ownership has historically been the way Americans (in particular) have built middle-class wealth, and without wage rises for most of the population, the only way they can build that wealth is with debt – because after all the smart capitalists know that debt can be good.

high maintenance upper class lifestyle = not milking cows and feeding pigs

Really? I’d take libertarians and neocons any day of the week. At least they don’t cry “degeneracy” at everything under the sun

some people are actually calling out boomers. It's a shit thread, but the fact that every second post has a reply containing "fuck off boomer" or something along those lines made me feel a bit better about the world

You won't reach these people. All they care about is "owning SJW's", even if that means getting forcefully penetrated by Capitalism.

my man, neocon boomers are a whole different ball game than 2014 teenage Ron Paul fedora-tippers

"Wow Zig Forums might be slowly changing their ways!" take 1592374
fuck off

Yeah maybe. But we will never go full internationalist. Many of us basically just want patriotic state socialism forever. "NazBols" are no rarity there really.

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Zig Forums cucks you say?

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Jesus fucking Christ I thought the "sexually frustrated Zig Forumstard accusing everyone he disagrees with of being a cuck while his harddrive is full of literal BBC cuckoldry porn" thing was just a meme

boomers aren't being cucked by anyone

The only reason for this is because they discovered that being a racist communist is much edgier than being a typical fascist.

This is the funniest thing I’ve seen in a while

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Does this logical fallacy have a name?

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I mean, is he wrong? 90% of other "leftists" I've met as of late are pure idealists.

they're surprisingly self aware

Don't fall for it. Its just another trend in opportunism. Not even they can deny capitalist is dogshit now so they're trying another route, pretending to be anti-capitalists, which is exactly what fascist pricks do when they can't outright convince people to be capitalist. Don't fall for it. Don't give any quarter to Asserists, nazbols or liberals like Angela Neagle. Its marxism or nothing.

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Don't they say that capitalism is jewish or some shit?

Yeah and that communism is also Jewish somehow. It’s all just 35883D chess by the Jews.

this. 4/pol/ literally has different opinions every day now. not only is it ideological but now completely cognitively dissonant

Yes. Their opinion at any given moment is just the opposite of what "the liberals" say.

a Zig Forumsyp was in here the whole time false flagging as a black man. fuck, you people are diligent.

Maybe there's hope after all

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Richard Spencer is now promoting it and praising Neagle. Its gone beyond a meme.


They say anything they don't like is jewish. They don't care about facts, they care about protecting capitalism at all costs.

Richard Spencer is the literal definition of an opportunist who even the retards in the previously existing far-right and Zig Forums realized was only in it for the notoriety and attention. Him happening to now like Nagle for that one article she wrote shows more on him than Nagle. He also says he supports a government run healthcare system, so are we now supposed to drop that too because he happened to pick it up while "traveling".

What do you mean "drop"? National Bolshevism has never been left wing. There Bolshevism, and that's it. If you're not a Marxist-Leninist, you aren't a bolshevik.

ML wasn’t actually synthesized until after Lenin’s death. Are you saying that Lenin wasn’t a Bolshevik?

What I would give for a little goat farm.

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Marxism-Leninism is Leninism, so Lenin is retroactively a Marxist-Leninist.

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To be fair senpai, that Zig Forumslack isn't wrong. Most leftists outside of these circles we may find ourselves on are just democrat idpollers with little/no understanding of class.

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She plopped onto Tucker's show. I think it's safe to say that she is just a grifter on the level of Richard Spencer at this point

ex nazi here
when I was a nazi I had a huge blacked cuck fetish, not anymore, because I am not racist anymore.
The entire fetish is about humiliation, and you can only be humiliated by it if you view blacks as inferior.

I never said it was? I said it was a meme, and the point was about Nagle, not national bolshevism. As in, we shouldn't just drop Nagle because Richard Spencer happens to like her or like one article written about her regarding immigration, just like we shouldn't drop the idea of a government run healthcare system because Spencer happens to like the idea of it as well. Here's a better example, some in the far-right will pay lip service to Stalin because they think he was actually an anti-semitic nationalist who "just happened to be on the wrong side". Do we now say we hate Stalin because these few people say they like him?

Leftists have shown up on Fox before, even Caleb Maupin and Wolff have showed on Fox before to explain what they believe in. I would have preferred she pressured him a bit, but it's literally a less then a minute cut-piece.

I mean "hating" Stalin is nonsensical unless you think "Stalin" as an individual mattered, but if you think Stalinism/ML are genuinely communist then you need to get the fuck out

Honestly I could have picked any number of Marxist figures as example, the point is that a few right-wingers liking a leftist does not suddenly discount that leftist. To do so would be nothing less then retarded and would be basing ones opinion on a person off of their ideological opposition.
Stalinism isn't a thing, but if you think Marxist-Leninism isn't communist then you can fuck right off to Zig Forums.

That makes sense. I browsed around a little there after someone posted the thread and it is evident that they view the men more as subhumans and animals than actual people

spot the stalinist
which is the USSR official given name for what the rest of us colloquially call "stalinism"
ah yes the famous mode of socialist commodity production, socialist wage labor and socialist bureaucratic statism

Don't you have an armchair to get back into Leftcom?
Also, ML's don't deny the USSR had limited commodity production and both Lenin and Stalin made it clear that the goal was to eventually eliminate it. But as Marx said a socialist society will be "still stamped with the birthmarks of the old society from whose womb it emerges. ", and to wholly eliminate all commodity production completely would have required time and resources the USSR simply did not have given it's position.

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we are not talking about the actual conditions of the ussr though, but about the stalinist ideological justification. it was stalin himself who talked about "socialist commodity production", not me trying to make up a contradictory term to mock them. stalin also talked about how "we are preparing to enter into higher phase communism" (????) and other sorts of delusional garbage to justify the continual perpetuation of the soviet state

I mean, what else are you going to call it? It's not being done to facilitate capitalist profit motive and bourgeoisie reinvestment into further money or commodities and is only being tolerated because it can not currently be removed completely. The society as a whole has the goal of moving towards a more developed socialism and eventually communism as well with the eventual abolishment of commodity production (abolishment as in how Marx used it, removing and superseding the conditions for something requires to exist).
That's literally the goal of every socialist state, but to do that you have to industrialize and build up the collective MoP as well as obtain international (or semi-international, with most countries being at least socialist in some way) socialism which, at the time, was not poosible given the USSR's position. The idea was that eventually socialism would spread to other countries, but it would take time.

It’s almost as if Marx was right and that the USSR needed to under go a period of massive capital accumulation based on surplus value before socialism became viable. While Stalin’s industrialization policy was sound and the only logica course of action, it’s emphasis on massive expansion and re-investment combined with undemocratic governance endowed it with capitalist-like tendencies, although I would hesitate to call it state capitalism per say.

4/pol/ is essentially reddit at this point it's best to leave a corpse to rot tying to resuscitate it would be pointless

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It's better this way, honestly, reactionaries like these have no organizational power.

Zig Forums is Stirnerite and does self crit you spooks

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Ikr. We split a lot and they never crushed us especially not in the thirties all over Europe and spread a genocidal regime all over Europe after. Such a thing would never happen guys. We can just chill and let them be friends.

Yeah. Most NazBols online never read the National Bolshevik Manifesto or the works of Niekisch and Gregor Asser. Neither did leftypol. They just disregard the facts and believe in memes. So wew some people larp epic. But tbf who doesn't larp here except antifags and some crazy fucks in a ussr nostalgia sects marching for blacks sometimes? It's all fun and games bitches. Modern politics is a theatre and internet politics is a parody of them. Get used to it. But yeah. Not like it is that relevant at all for you to know this… is it.

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Talk about a broken record.

>>>/reddit/

Angela Nagle does not even know who Marx is….

Proof?

Capitalism should never be protected, it only helps the rich and only the rich.

So did greenwald and cornel west, are we going to excommunicate them from the left also

It would be worth to go on if only to poke mutt radlibs in the eye.

4/pol/ on the correct path? I doubt it.

You're not allowed to own a farm just work on it you commie bastard

Now wait just a minute! REAL capitalism has never actually been tried so you can't say that capitalism is dogshit

You should really read some psychoanalysis. Not only is it good for you, but you'll learn to understand the polyp obsessions.

Hey bitchboi…nevar forgat! SQUEAL! :3
Beating up commies is so much fun and me and my girlfriend do it all the time LOL. Your board is prey to us alt-righters from reddit. Even cucks from reddit beat up on you KEK. ERMAHGAHD you guys are such losers. XD

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Just because they're aware of capitalism's faults won't stop them from becoming revolutionaries. At best, they'll become nazbols, or just hate capitalism because it promotes fun and go for a more state capitalist/ corporatist model with strong economic regulations, or as usual they'll say "ay lmao suffering is normal as this post might display
Or as usual, find ways to hate capitalism to promote ethno nationalism (e.g, imperialism is causing influx of immigrants who are polluting muh gene pool, causing downfall of western culture as well). They're still unwilling to despook themselves and just continue being a pack of LARPING turd positionists who'd give little shits about supporting, promoting, or even taking a remote interest in socialist movements on an international scale.

At best, they're useful idiots who we could exploit to normalise socialism on the chans, but tbh, with the chans splitting due to Zig Forumsyps acting like a pack of dropkicks, and with this board having dengoids it's going to be just a bunch of reactionaries shrieking at other reactionaries.

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where I come from it's called genuine retardation

I hope this is just a shitpost or bait, because if it's neither the it only goes to show how low the right has become when they sound like a Facebook/Twitter post.

You can just call it what it is, user, right wing """"""""thought"""""""""

Tsk, tsk.

I admit that a "certain" popular post on FB mentioned this Zig Forums place and oh my LOLZ it was right. You guys are anti-capitalist and probably don't even believe in God. I pray for your souls because most of you are probably young, but you must hate your parents and are projecting that hate onto your country or something. I don't believe any of you would be communist pussyboys if your daddy hit you enough. Listen bud, I served in the armed forces and fought for freedom so that you could pretend to be Stalin or Marx or whoever on the internet like a big know-it-all. I don't appreciate it, but I hope one day you find the light and accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior. :3

excellent baitpost you nearly got me

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