What is your opinion on this book?

Where did I say anything bad about communism? I'm not here to shill my political ideology anyway, in fact, I agree with a lot about communism. I'm not a Hitlerite because he was too easy on the bourgeoisie. And as I mentioned with Varg, I think Capitalism is FAR more dangerous than International Socialism/Communism. I believe in the national proletariat instead of a universal one, and I think that Socialism in one country (like Stalinism) is a perfect model. Brapitalism brings only consumerism, cosmopolitanism and globalist plutocracies and that ALL BRAPitalism results in crony capitalism.

first tell us what you think makes communism different from capitalism.

we don't need reggaton people and reggaton music to defeat Jewish Capitalism they will only slow us down with their baboonery

Did you know that the USSR was made up of over 100 different nationalities?

I actually ran across a copy of this in a used bookstore – some old Nazi had died and sold off his collection – so there were a ton of rarities and even first-edition fascist books dating back to the late 1940s like that book "Imperium" by Francis Parker Yockey.

Anyways I flipped through Siege and it was one of the most grotesque and hateful things I've ever read, and it's written terribly, like some skinhead jerking himself off over nooses. I suggest reporting anyone who reads this book to the police.

I never said I had a problem with a central government planning the economy. Whereas with capitalism and the free market, private citizens and business owners make production decisions. As a S t r a s s e r i s t I don't have a problem with Socialism. In fact, S t r a s s e r i s m is nothing but pure socialism but with a nationalist twist. That's the last I have to say on the subject matter.

see this is where you get it wrong. communism and central planning are not equivalent.

Good choice, .pdf related.
You have some potential but you need work; read Kropotkin and Stirner.

Strasserism isn't a real ideology. It's just Nazism with the added belief that medieval Germany was "socialist."

holy shit he started using something other than "baboon"!

This is technically true, but the internal politics of the NSDAP were a bit more diverse before Hitler fully cemented his authority. He did have a genuine anti-capitalist slant, even if Asserism would have probably been socdem in practice.

LOL. It was literally started by satanists as part of a larger operation.

Wannabee Nazis couldn't handle being associated with people even edgier than themselves.

You could also easily say that Nazis were trying to co-opt the Satanist community

how the fuck is this even remotely true?

Yeah, it was sort of an oversimplification. In truth, there are many differences between Socialism and Capitalism. For one, they believe that they should seize the means of production by the government so that it should be used for a greater cause. Private property is abolished and given to all individuals to share. Major industries and utilities are owned by the government or by workers cooperatives instead of by private individuals. Clas struggles and so on and so forth.

Thanks for the pdf. -I'll probably give it a read.

Nazis are deeply despised by most of the population, like lepers or something. Walking around with a Che shirt, people will think you're immature; with a Nazi shirt people will think there's something mentally wrong with you. As a result Nazis look for other avenues with which to smuggle their ideology such as music and "esoteric" subcultures.

Keep in mind that O9A uses 1889 as its starting date – Hitler's birthday which is called "yF" or "Year of the Fuhrer" and the goal of spreading chaos is to eventually create an Aryan civilization. It's going to take a lot of "culling" and various human sacrifices to reach that stage though. But mostly this is a set of symbols and codes to graft onto heavy metal and neofolk music scenes.

Isn't this just a neo-modern turner diaries?
Plot TLDR?

It's really a collection of newsletters published in the 1980s by James Mason, who was a member (I think) of the American Nazi Party in the 1960s ,and later – after the ANP leader was murdered – formed a group called the Not Socialist Liberation Front (NSLF) that advocated cell-based terrorism and murder, like Charles Manson. He still lives in Denver. But mostly it's a lot of screeching about traitors and "stupid blacks" with exclamation points about wanting to set off atomic bombs. Also Mason viewed communists as his no. 1 enemy, though he wasn't really consistent and was mostly old-man ranting

I know the FBI likes it

That's odd. There was a critical review of the book that

Eh, kinda. He admired communist groups in some ways. He liked that they had "plans" and could mobilize a lot of people on the streets very quickly. "That the communists are far more realistic, pragmatic and perceptive in their understanding of and dealings with people than the Movement has ever been can hardly be denied when one takes a look at the numbers they can throw onto the streets at almost a moment's notice."

There's a part where he claimed he was invited to an RCP meeting, but I don't know if that was actually true. The story is that the communists were organizing in a factory in Ohio and had some troubles, and Mason told them they should blow the factory up and kill their bosses. But he talks about he wants a general uprising and apocalyptic war against the "system" with communists and blacks serving as cannon fodder.
wonder how the Church would fare against a 'House Un-American Activities Commitee'-style investigation. The bulk of the Communist world is non-White as is the majority of those professing the Christian religion. The liberals and Marxists would have you mix with Negroes on earth while the Christians would have you mixed with them for the rest of eternity. (That would be my own idea of hell!)

Makes sense. Fascists (I would argue that Stalin was a communist) need to ride on the backs of people who wanna make a change as otherwise they have no potential.

Otherwise they eat each other alive.

Course both Fascists and Communists need to coopt movements, like what they did with Resistance movements in WW2, Nationalist movements in the colonies, or when the Western Bourgeois Empires were eating up the Post-Feudal nations of Central Europe.

Stalin was definitely a communist. Well, I'm not a fascist but I've read a lot about it, and I sometimes try to put myself in a fascist's position and ask what I would do. The first thing is that I'm still not sure what fascism is: whether it's really an independent self-conscious school of doctrine and so on. A lot of fascists will say "yes" to that, and I'm inclined to believe them, but talking to them is like listening to a bundle of reactions, and reading Siege is like reading an insane diatribe or like a pastiche of revolution – the point being to speed up the death of bourgeois society because that's the only way to open up enough space for the Nazi death squads to organize to stop a socialist revolution (which would come about as bourgeois society collapses, right?). It's just kind of an insane ouroboros to me, and is why James Mason never amounted to anything except putting some FBI agents to work building a big file on him and inspiring failsons to kill their parents.

But wait – back up a second and let me talk about fascism in the bigger picture. The pre-modern period, feudalism, had strict roles bound up with religion and family ties and so on in an organic whole. You were born into your place in society and stayed there. Modernity, which emerged from the industrial revolution and the creation of bourgeois society, shattered those old psychological assurances and created a world that is constantly changing in this chaotic, dynamic way, which creates a lot of anomie and anxiety. People are stressed out all the time and don't feel life has any purpose or meaning, etc. The right-wing response to that was to try to create new institutions and patterns of deference and command to manage all this chaos: the nuclear family in suburban America at one point or the U.S. national-security apparatus; labor unions get co-opted and such into corporatist economic models etc. Democracy is no good either according to this view so power should be exercised by technocratic managers.

Now fascism, when actually put into practice, is just a really extreme and insane version of this and with a greater reliance on terror (and undesirable from the perspective of the more liberal elements of the bourgeoisie). And looking around the world today, where do you see the most active fascist groups? Ukraine, probably, since they're armed and mobilized and holding territory, but the broader project here – that the fascists in Ukraine might not even really understand – is to incorporate Ukraine into a neoliberal European Union ruled by technocrats and bureaucrats. The Azov Battalion and what-not are just this crazy extension of a broader geopolitical project.

And to see fascists and communists as opposite sides of a political spectrum is misleading I think. They are opposites in a sense but they operate in a radically different fashion, with successful communist movements operating as a chaotic eruption of a "mass" of millions of people acting as a *class* and interrupting capitalism's profit cycle in a dramatic break. To describe this in nerd language, in Warhammer 40,000 there are Chaos Cultists that tap into the physical manifestation of the universe (dialectical materialism) which metastasizes during a crisis and seizes the machinery of a hive world, prompting the empire to send in the fascists (Space Marines) to "cleanse" the affected area and restoring traditional patterns of deference and command to the universe.

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Tbh most people who have read siege wouldn't meme about it

R.ed Facsist translates to communist because Libertarian Socialists view Communists as R.ed Fascists, but Stalin pretty much said State Capitalism is Communism. This is it.

Also about the Feudalism part, Actual Fascism has only come into being from Feudal Societies being thrust into Capitalism and instead of letting Capitalism have its way or try to get rid of it they want the order that once was. And they get raped by outside powers.

The Ku Klux Klan came from the Feudal South getting thrust into Capitalism and was being raped by the North, Nazism came from Germany going from Feudalism with Kings and Princes into Capitalism and getting raped, Fascist Italy was made by Northern Nobles and got raped by the Allies.

Interesting side-note, old School American Anti-Fascists who are as old as James Mason believed that the GOP went from being Social Democrat to AnCap as a means of speeding up the death of bourgeois society so that Fascists can seize control. The GOP were the ones that caused all the Immigration Bills that caused All White America of FDR to le 56%.

Okay I was wrong you're based. though $trasserism is explicitly against the rules.

What do you mean?

Interesting. I'll have to think about a lot of that, but to me libertarian socialists come out sounding like Yugoslavian market socialists when they get into the details, or short-lived anarcho-syndicalist experiments that don't have a plan after the revolution. Or at least, I don't know how you have a collective economy without political authority that libertarian socialists seem to be wary about.

In Italy, Germany and the U.S. South were also facing revolutionary currents or the threat of it. The second-wave Klan of the 1920s was in large part a response to organized labor unrest and dangerous "foreign" ideas after the 1917 revolution. I think the fascist "answer" to this was to hearken back to feudalism but in a fundamentally modernist political project to create an "ordered" state with absolute authority vested in it and so on. The point of fascism was not to literally go back in time to the Middle Ages, but to engineer a "rebirth" in the form of a modern state that reconnected people with their roots and history and organized along fundamentally modern biopolitical principles. Fascism has always tried to believe itself to be "scientific."

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Well to get into more detail about the last part, it's a conspricy theory from Anti-Fascists who were around during the 70's to 90's.

During WW1 and WW2 the GOP had people that didn't want war with Germany. The Taft club that Spencer was a part of with that picture of Ron Paul was named after a GOP member who thought that the Nuremberg Trials were bad. I don't know if this is real, but in the Red World mod for Hearts of Iron, Richard Spencer's nation is named after thinking that Emancipation Proclamation was freeing Whites from Blacks. Don't know because I haven't watched anything from him.

LaRouche was a Trot who is believed to have gone so Far-Left that he became Far-Right, and made a Spy Network that worked with people across the World, caused the death of the USSR and got into the Left to make them like Dictators like Saddam, Assad, Iran, and etc who haven't done anything Socialist.

The Church of Creativity, Aryan Nations, and KKK nowadays had/have people in the GOP and before Gaddafi was attacked they were there in support of Gaddafi. You can look it up on Wikipedia.

Tom Metzger said this
souciant.com/2014/08/nazi-skinhead-economics/

That sounds a lot like what Trump was saying during the Campaign, and hasn't done any of that.

Not saying the whole GOP has Fashy leanings, but there is a Faction in it that has viewed it favorably and wants it to happen. And only knows that a final battle will make it happen.

Ah, so look here in Siege. This is how Mason responds to my argument about Nazis being insane capitalists. He starts out by saying his movement is "uncompromisingly pro-White, anti-Jew, anti-Black, and the revolutionary symbol of the Swastika will yet prove our greatest blessing." He then talks about some "misconceptions" that ordinary people have regarding the Nazi movement, where he specifically defines as capitalist (or the right kind of capitalist):

Exclamation points!! See, Mason is not really thinking, he's endlessly ranting about traitors and so on, and he has no theory. He is dimly aware though that capitalism was in crisis in Weimar Germany and Nazism was an extreme, insane reaction to the threat of a social revolution. Yes, he's correct that communists viewed Germany's big industrial capitalists as… capitalists. But in Mason's mind, the German industrialists were "honest" businessmen while the Jewish ones were "exploiters." And when he was writing this, capitalism was not in a severe crisis and no threat of a revolution (he doesn't think the communists are organized enough), so there's no way to get from A to B. As a result, all he can do is scream and yell and advocate for lone-wolf terrorism. The only way for the "stone-headed rednecks" would get on his side is if there's a threat to their class position from the left, which there ain't. So as a result some depressed teenagers 30 years later read this in meme material and shoot themselves, or their parents, or lure a gay kid into a park and stab him to death, which is what happened recently with these Atomwaffen people.

Meanwhile, you'll see other newsletters in Siege where he whines about Hitler LARPers wearing Nazi-era period uniforms while there are pictures of him doing the same thing. It's basically a book-length Gab post. I quote:
I think that's about all I need to say about this.

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The guy who created Atomwaffen said on Kiwifarms that it was an accident actually.

He accidentally stabbed him multiple times and buried him in a shallow grave? Well, I suppose so, but my response is "tell it to the jury."

Yeah, I read some of the book, not all of it.
Before this all even began, James Mason was doing poorly in school and had plans to steal his father's revolver and go Columbine on his teachers, his father pulled him out before he could complete his plans and sent him to a psychologist. His psychologist noted his violent, angry sentiments, and recommended that he should join the ANP. His dad found out later what the psych had done to him and was unbelievabley pissed, but by then it was too late, Mason was convinced of his place and left home as a teen after an argument with his father. I believe it was James Mason himself that murdered the ANP leader because there was a schism between the orgs based on praxis and power struggle. Mason used to sleep in a shitty commune on the floor next to a printing press and killed his former higher-up friends in the org to consolidate his power because he didn't want anyone to coup him (does this sound familiar to you?), the then-leader paid him a shitty wage, like $10 a week, to write nazifag newspapers and distribute them, he made the rest of his money stealing from people. He used to drive around in a van through white neighborhoods with nazifag slogans about race mixing written on wooden boards on the side while blaring racist and anti-semitic propaganda through a megaphone at pedestrians walking by. Later on he organized a group of nazifag peons in his organization to attack some blacks and got arrested by the police. After his release he caught word of Charles Manson and wanted him to join his org to write articles and thought Manson's influence would give the org more prestige, he contacted Manson to schedule a meeting while Manson was still in prison, Manson was, at first, charmed, but later, after having travelled to meet him, Mason and Manson got into a dispute about something, and Manson told Mason to fuck off.

Here's a choice quote about the life of americans during the time:
"When the television goes off, half the people will immediately go insane, the other half will just sit there waiting for it to turn back on!"

>but it was a happy accident :D
If you believe that shit, then I have some beachfront property to sell you in fucking Bolivia.

The guy made it out like it was a spur of the moment thing like when people have gay sex and then kill the guy or have sex with a tranny and then kill the tranny. Out of shame.

LMAO

Imagine being so batshit that the craziest known motherfucker in Burgerstan - itself a country full of nutcases - tells you to leave him alone.

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Yeah the ol' "gay panic defense."

Tactically ineffective.

On the PBS-ProPublica documentary on Atomwaffen they said he was working at K-Mart and showed a flash of his pay-stub. It was only $19,000. The absolute state of Mason, literal teenagers can make more than that even in retail

Well that's good. He and David Duke are like the only WN 1.0 that don't rip off their followers via some sort of pyramid scheme.