Progressive International

Organizations succeed when they address the material questions of the moment. Don't know much about the KKE though but they seem like they're LARPing as if the Soviet Union still existed. Other parties look to China to be a substitute. Doesn't really work.

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meant for

What did they mean by this?

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Yeah that's to be expected. The Democrat Cops of America's facebook livefeed isn't clogged with all that.

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open borders are accelerationist and cool dwi

KKE also holds one of the biggest music festivals in Grerce were they sell souvlaki
Not much outside of that tho

Yeah, the best way to install true communism is with tons of brainlet goblins.

This but unironically

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Zig Forumsyps were and always will be brainlets. not one of them is competent or capable of anything. true dregs on society who are useful idiots in their blind virgin anger.

ML stuff today feels like a brand or identity signifier than anything more meaningful; not much different from wearing a Che t-shirt. Though I find the aesthetics and history and theory stuff interesting, I don't think it's addressing the needs of the moment.

Just joined.

I'd join this shit honestly. Where's Corbyn tho?

The video on the PI's front page has clips with Corbyn in it, so I'm sure he'll be involved as this gains steam.

Just watched the vid. I'm pumped. So hoping this gets off the ground.

if it ever gets co-opted by SJWs then some of you are alright…

This is good.

Livestream ended with Yanis saying Bernie should run again with the crowd going wild. Will he do it lads?

should I donate now or wait? I don't want to risk this being controlled opposition but I also want this shit to at least get off the ground.

I'd join and then wait and see for now. The Prime Minister of Iceland gave her support for the movement, and it's implied that people like AMLO and Corbyn will tag along too.

They're Democrat Cops of America members from Detroit, so you should be autistically screeching idpol

For how long will you cucks continue to fall for their fucking ploys. Varoufakis was part of Syriza which imposed austerity and now he goes around pretending he played no part in it. Sanders doesn't even defend immigrant workers and sides with the military over and over. Fuck you all. Have some goddamn principle.

There's one and a half, the old SI still exists but is a dead water. Ironically there was a split-off group called the progressive alliance that tried to rail against the SI's decadent infrastructure, but it is a weird group: the latter contains both the Democrats and Morales' PAIS (which have been feuding since Obama's term in office).
This effort reflects an attempt at Varoufakis to unite Western left under this brand of neo-marxist Democratic Socialism (See: Corbyn). Tbh I'm gonna join because fuck it mask-off why not.

I heard some liberal once said rape is bad, so this proves we need to literally rape everyone. Also Hitler built the Autobahn so no more roads!

Bruv if you're gonna talk about Greece at-least get it right: Varoufakis literally left the moment Tsipras signed the deal because he knew how much it would fuck Greece. It's almost as bad as the "Varoufakis caused the debt crisis" take.

The world is about to enter another recession and a bunch of governments are gonna flip, so might as well get with the program! I'm not doing anything else, might as well make some memes

DEBOUT

Varoufakis fought against the deal and left SYRIZA because they accepted it. He doesn't pretend he had no part of it, it made him famous and he wrote a very popular book about it ffs.

Sanders supports abolishing ICE. He's against open borders but he wants to shift the enforcement from the immigrants to employers (Abolishing ICE + eVerify). The only argument against that is an accelerationist one. You're right about the military support though.

Syriza knew exactly what it was getting itself into and Varoufakis was essential in getting them elected. This is the guy who traveled to Berlin and hailed the architect of EU wide austerity, Wolfgang Schaube, as "one of the greatest political leaders of his age".

Varoufakis is the guy who co-authored a document called "A Modest Proposal for Resolving the Eurozone crisis" in 2013, before Syriza was elected, promising that were Syriza to be elected "nothing vital would change for the United States… Syriza doesn’t intend to leave NATO or close American military bases.”

Varoufakis and Sanders function as the left-wing of capitalism. This whole international progressive movement is a fucking sham and will prevent work to shut down workers struggle. Sanders did nothing to promote the Teachers strike and worked with the unions who closed the strike down early even though the vast majority of members wanted it to go on. The Democrat Cops of America who's promoting this fraud promote "left" politicians like AOC who are now blatantly sucking up to the democratic establishment, promising to work with Nanci Pelosi.

Again, fuck you and all of you fake socialists who continue to support succ-dems. These people are the direct historical descendents of parties like the German SPD which actively worked to sabotage the international revolution.

I warned you people about Sanders capitulating the HRC, I warned you people about AOC backtracking. But nope, no lessons are ever learned because opportunism is one hell of a drug.

Not defending Syriza but this is just a plain idiotic stance. Tsipras and Varoufakis didn't ask for austerity and tried to stop it, but the EU porkies forced the Greek to accept it anyway despite the massive popular resistance. No doubt Syriza should've had some kind of plan B but to claim that they are the ones primarily responsible for the austerity is ridiculous.

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There was a plan B, Tsirpras fucked out.

Maybe you should stop your autistic screeching and start your own movement lol.

being?

Maybe you should stop supporting people who will work to fuck you over.

I don't trust this shit.
What's the current consensus?

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Grexit. It could've gone very badly so it's understandable why they didn't go through with it.

like globally? neoliberal neoconservative essentialist Capitalism. whatever this is, it's an alternative to the other two piles of growing garbage.

Syriza had the support of the working class. They could have had a communist revolution which would have ignited the powderkeg of revolution throughout Europe

In 2013? Yeah fucking right bruv.

lol

Greek exit from the eurozone.

dumbest tankfag shit I've read all week.

fucking embarrassing

Tsipras is/was a fucking traitor. The Greek people voted against accepting the conditions of austerity and then Tsipras made a deal for even worse austerity.

You must not come here often.

Unlikely as fuck, for a variety of reasons including the fact that Greece doesn't really have any major capitalists itself. The EU economically functions more and more like a unified nation-state. A revolution might technically be possible on the level of core countries like France and Germany but surely not impoverished and peripheral ones like Greece.
Imagine actually believing this

you have no arguments. his election policies were more just entryism than his actual policies.

The Greeks elected them because they promised to end austerity. Syriza instead waved their hands and betrayed the Greek people. If they had any principle, they would go back to the Greek people and tell them that the European capitalist class wanted to impose even more austerity and that their only option now was to resist and revolt which the Greeks would have happily done. This would show the entire world the criminality of the European regime and inspire workers to act in their own nations.

But of course, you fake socialists dont even believe in the working class. You have no faith in their revolutionary potential and instead want them to vote for the "lesser evil" who will fuck them over just a little less.

Nice spooks nerd

Yep that's how revolutions work, you walk up to people, offer them shit conditions, say "we gonna revolution now" then it magically happens.

It was forced onto them by the EU politicians who wanted Greece to keep aligning to their interests. The only alternative to accepting the austerity policies was a Grexit, which could've made the debts crisis even worse and might have led to economical isolation if Greece kept failing to pay those debts.

No
80% of greeks like EU

this romanticized, fetishistic version of the working class you're talking about doesn't exist. there is a little bit more work to getting people to do anything that they were brainwashed to think isn't possible. shit like education and free time, instead of endlessly pandering to an unconscious determinism.

But now there's gonna be another debt crisis in a few years, they're in the worst possible position now. They should've pulled the trigger

Yeaahhh well if I was Tspiras, I would've gone to Brussels with a convoy. And then we'd roll up to the parliament building or whatever and said "We don't need no instructions to know how to rock!"

Then I wouldn't declared a pan-European socialist republic.

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Tankie here, I'm all for it if it gives an opportunity to seize the international left and have it struggle for victory. You never ignore legal and soft organisation if it lets you go hard later when necessary.

Sanders just said that the caravan workers "lack a credible claim" to asylum in his interview on CNN. In July 2015, Sanders said “Open borders? No, that’s a Koch brothers proposal… That’s a right-wing proposal, which says essentially there is no United States… It would make everybody in America poorer.”

The Bolsheviks were successful because they kept their promises. They promised an end to World War and that happened. Syriza promised an end to austerity and instead capitulated without even giving the working class an option to reject the deal.

Do you even realize what a revolution entails. It means abandoning your normal life and going out into literal armed combat against the police and military, against the backdrop of an uncertain future and the constant threat of failure. There's a reason why it took a ravaging World War for the Russian proles to successfully revolt.

Yeah, again, not really defending Syriza but 1) it's important to realize a Grexit would have been an enormously daring decision in many respects and 2) it's plain idiotic to represent the Syriza politicians as if they just wanted to implement austerity and privatizations rather than looking at the capitalists on EU-level who were responsible for all this.

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fucking kek

the fact that the DNC decided to nuke him with superPACs even for that should speak volumes.

And the fact that Sanders then supported the very establishment that betrayed him speaks volumes.

The fact Rosa was a member of the SPD speaks volumes.

thehindu.com/opinion/lead/the-case-for-a-progressive-international/article25626038.ece
On the third-Worldism need for such an org.

Yeah a lot of people on the internet talk about violence and revolution but the people who tend to actually go that far do it because they don't have any other choice.

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JFL at ☭TANKIE☭s who suddenly supported open borders once their "really existing socialism" countries collapsed.

You all are supporting cowards and backstabbers. If this sham gains momentum, it will be used to shut down opposition to war and instead redirect efforts to combating the "threat" of China, Russia, and Iran. The "progressive" movement is a movement that is an attempt to save capitalism and rally forces behind war. This is why Bernie doesn't even defend Julian Assange and doesn't speak out against the war drive with Russia and China and infact encourages the tariffs against China.

Rosa was an active opponent of the SPD before succ dems like you killed her for trying to lead the workers into revolution.

All socialists support open borders. I'm not a ☭TANKIE☭ btw.

lol

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And now Varoufakis is an opponant of Syriza.

The Berlin Wall was a necessary measure at the time that doesn't reflect the ultimate ideals of socialists. I'm pretty sure if you asked any of the communist GDR politicians about their vision of a successful society it wouldn't include the Wall.

The US recently released a congressional report calling for "civilian leaders" to convince the population to go into war.
usip.org/sites/default/files/2018-11/providing-for-the-common-defense.pdf

Is it any coincidence that the very people who refuse to criticize the developments of the US military and have a record of capitulating to and supporting imperialism suddenly come up with a "progressive international". Its obvious what this sham is for. Don't fall for opportunists.

What about the extremely limited travel between COMECON states then?

diem25.org/diem25-strongly-condemns-last-nights-us-led-strikes-in-syria/

Varoufakis' is just showing some meaningless posturing to get gullible people like you to fall for his bullshit. Varoufakis has been on record saying that Syriza's election wont affect NATO at all. The threat of WW3 is the gravest and most immediate threat to the working class today and Varoufakis doesn't even consider it a critical task. He doesn't oppose NATO expansionism, he doesn't oppose the militarization of Europe today. Not opposing these things is the same as supporting them in these conditions.

Again, you're supporting a dangerous fraud.

No, he didn’t. That’s a Nazi myth

Imagine trying to get into office saying you're going to overthrow NATO. Baby steps user.

Thats your fucking problem. The goal should be to get the working class to oppose any war drive and to get soldiers to stop participating in war. Anti-war sentiment is popular regardless of what political position the working class falls under. Its the easiest banner to rally people around. Macron and Merkel are literally calling for a pan-European army to fight China, Russia, and possibly the USA and these supposed leftist leaders aren't doing anything about it.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Varoufakis, Sanders, etc are all in on it. This movement will be used to rally the working class towards a disastrous war which threatens to eliminate billions of people and cause damage never before seen in history. STOP SUPPORTING OPPORTUNISTS

why are you shocked? Bernie isn't one of those.

You needed a passport to go to another city in the USSR lol

Are you implying parliamentary representation, which allows to make the general debate more left-wing, isn't one of the primary things leftists should try to achieve do under a parliamentary bourgeois republic?

Then the best course of action would be to organize so when there is a anti-War movement during that war that we take control. Like what happened in Greece and almost happened in France.

Why do you desperately ignore the pro-military orientation of Sanders and Varoufakis' silence on dangerous military trends. World War is the most serious threat and its conveniently left out of "Progressive International" open call.

Yes it would. But not under a leadership with a history of capitulation, especially a history of capitulation to military interests. To any sane people here, this is again a FRAUD. This organization is seeking to rally the "western" world to a united drive for war against Russia, China, and Iran.

This is your brain on vulgar idealism.

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I kinda hate to break it to you but we Communists have literally no skin between wars of Bourgeois States.

There is no Left-wing nation in existence to defend. What we need to do is organize in a manner so that when there is a bunch of people who hate that World War we take control of it.

Like how Tito took control of the Yugoslav forces, the Communists were doing in Italy, Greece, and France. Mao in China, and etc.

This World War is gonna no matter what. There is no stopping it. What we need to do is plan how to use it for our advantage.

Syriza sold out to neoliberalism.

You have to be a true vulgarian not to understand the difference between pro-imperialist globalism and internationalism pro-tip: the self-determination of nations is key here
ml-review.ca/aml/CommunistLeague/COSMOPOLITANISM-COMPASS131-1998.HTM

"Turn the imperialist war into a civil war".

Fuck you.

ARBEITER BAUERN, NEHMT DIE GEWEHREN, NEHMT DIE GEWEHREN ZUR HAND

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