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It seems that US is starting to wage a warmongering propaganda campaign against China. Interesting times indeed.
US is starting propaganda campaign against China
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Adam Diaz
There's so much weird shit going on. Look up Guo Wengui aka "Miles Kwok" who is this exiled billionaire wanted in China for corruption charges, kidnapping, money laundering and rape. He's a member of the Mar-a-Lago club and owner of a $67 million Manhattan penthouse. His assets in Hong Kong are frozen.
He's popping up on Chinese language Twitter with what looks like bot armies, and his YouTube channel has him shooting guns with merc-looking dudes in Texas. He's also buddying up with Bannon to present himself as some kind of freedom fighter against the Communist Party. He's also known for shopping around documents that allege corruption in the party, which I'm sure exists, although a lot of these docs look shady and 'shopped and the mainstream press in the U.S. has largely stayed away from him for that reason. He has received some attention in the hardline right-wing press like Breitbart, the Washington Free Beacon, Daily Caller, etc. and the U.S. government's overseas propaganda network VOA.
Notice Bill Kristol saying the other day that "Shouldn't an important U.S. foreign policy goal of the next couple of decades be regime change in China?" I'd imagine others in the U.S. government and military-industrial/Wall Street/vulture capitalist complex are thinking the same thing and they're workshopping this guy as their man to do it.
Grayson Torres
What can we do to defend Chinese socialism from American imperialism?
Isaiah Baker
Shop at taobao.com
Dominic Roberts
It's not new, the "pivot to Asia" was already well underway in the Obama years.
They will try.
Jackson Young
Donate to CPCP member Jack Ma.
Aaron Scott
All jokes aside, I am very critical of China, but I support it over nato
Oliver Thompson
Bad take, choosing sides in a war of imperialists is inherently pointless: revolutionary defeatism is the only path.
Henry Reed
The worst I saw was a piece by Reuters. It was at least more convincing and more realistic than some of these other stories, but it’s almost certainly meant to summon anti-China sentiment and justify US intervention. twitter.com
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Kevin Green
How easy it would be to fund a uigher insurgency that hides in the mountains of afghanistan and other countries that border china so you can send them in every now and then to blow themselves up.
Which will in turn give china a reason to invade the graveyard of empires which will lead to them fighting a never ending war against the taliban and the uighers while america tip toes back home
"Smell ya later wang chang"- american, probably
Nathaniel Reyes
How is this surprising?
Some months back the pentagon sent out a a document stating that american society needs to be reshaped for the upcoming great power competition between america, russia, and china. And that although terrorism still be a problem, they are going to also focus on rising powers who would threaten the west
You realize those trot bastards at the WSWS are right.
WW3 is coming
Austin Ward
So, essentially, he's a Chinese Bill Browder?
Do you think this onslaught of Uighur coverage will lead to some Magnitsky Act aimed against China? I'm thinking that this is where this is leading.
Eli Allen
Revolutionary defeatism is not variable option then only one side has revolutionary potential.
Lucas Howard
This is why security in Xinjiang is so strict, to avoid this kind of thing. Any insurgency would have to have a network of supporters in the population, and the Chinese government will not allow this to be established.
Zachary Brooks
I think something like that. Guo was also mixed up with Tony Blair and the Abu Dhabi royal family which helped him move money out of China.
Luke Walker
James Gonzalez
look, this is how you destroy china
1. find the top uigher
2. wisk him away to a covert site
3. train him in everything
4. take him to Afghanistan and have him and his people form an alliance with the taliban
5. have them draw up a plan to commit a Chinese 9/11
6. something devastating, something humiliating, something the state media will not be able to cover up
7. have the top uigher send out a video saying "nannananana you can catch me, oh whats that, you want revenge, im in afghinstan nigga, guess what, its not over, im going to keep attacking you and you cant do anything about it"
8. rile them up real good so that the nationalists are demanding a war then wait till they invade looking for the guy (he isnt there) and have some gladio b taliban memebers attack the han and declare china the new enemy who are communist kaffir that want to kill islam
9. bing bang boom, america pulls out, chinks pull in. i love it when a plane comes together
Angel Hill
having had much contact with han chinese over the years, even coming close to marrying one and having been to china a few times, i genuinely believe a lot of the accounts by the uyghurs. im not one to go all Zig Forums but look at this shit:
even if you support china's hare-brained goals of assimilating all uyghurs, do you think that this is the right way to do it? in the end you will get an even stronger seperatist movement, plus you will surely get even more religious fundamentalists willing to fight for their people. and additionally, you will have needlessly added another pretext for western powers to criticize you and boycott you.
repression feeds reaction. this has been going overboard. xi is growing paranoid because the contradictions of state capitalism have been growing stronger and stronger. they are cracking down on young marxists, they are cracking down on uyghurs, and it will only get worse from here on out. they are losing their grip.
you are utterly retarded if you defend this bullshit. even claiming that china is socialist is borderline retarded in the first place (although i can see why one would say that), but going out of your way to defend contraproductive xenophobic identity politics?
Robert Collins
im going to lol if the cia starts funding the actual communists just to wreak havoc upon the state capitalists and leftypol and chicoms defend xi.
I mean, the perfect storm could be brewed here. Repressed neo maoists and represses uighers being funded by the CIA to fuck shit up and make a million tieanmen squares happen
Ian Thompson
This article seems to traffic in the sinister inscrutable oriental tropes of yore. Sometimes a photo with on old lady is just a picture with an old lady.
Jose Smith
Jesus Christ.
Elijah Myers
the CIA wishes they had my tactical mind. Too bad im a neet who jerks it to hentai
Hudson Jones
gee where have i heard this string of argumentation before
just accept that china is not socialist, but a state capitalist ethnostate. as much as alphabet soup will exploit these issues to undermine the chinese, that doesn't somehow make the actions of the CPC any better.
generally speaking: the reason why people somehow still want to uphold china as socialist is because the truth hurts: we have no real power left. it would be nice if the #2 power in the world right now would be socialist, but that's just not the case. it's just a fantasy at this point
there isn't anything romantic about projecting our hopes of global communism onto a state where capitalism is running far more rampant than in most nominally capitalist nations and karl marx is seen more as a benevolent santa claus than as a revolutionary scientist.
seriously, most of this board needs a few discussions with fresh off the boat chinese people to realize that our image of china has absolutely NOTHING to do with the china that currently exists.
Kayden Hill
Looking at the history if the CIA they have about your tactical mind, don't worry.
Alexander Gutierrez
Obvious neoliberal slander.
Sebastian Moore
talk to a few han people and you will realize how utterly racist most are. the government they are subject to is no different. ask a chinese person what they know about xinjiang and they will say "their women are pretty and can dance" and "there are terrorists there". this is textbook orientalism. it is absolutely an ethnostate. do you think it's a coincidence that all tibetans, uyghurs, mongolians, hong kongese all fucking hate china? chinese retardation is what lead to these groups being able to be utilized as anti-communist propaganda in the first place. chinese idpol retardery is what allowed the US to cry about falun gong in the first place, and chinese idpol retardery is what will allow the US and the west to cry about east turkestan now. the chinese have noone to blame but themselves. there would be no need for this idpol bullshit if china was actually socialist and gave enough agency and economic stability to the people, instead of being a regulatory wild-west where capitalists can do the dirtiest shit like poison baby milk and exploit cheap labor
Sebastian Hill
i 100% agree with you but I don’t think it justifies the US potentially warring with China in some shape or form.
Hunter Stewart
my plan is a perfect way to get out of afghanistan. Normally america would pull out and the taliban would just take over and it would look bad for america.
But what if america redirected the taliban to fight against china in the name of protecting islam and the uighers.
You get both your enemies to fight each other, go home. Fund both sides while you sit back and they destroy each other.
So america pulls out, but the taliban are too busy fighting a han zergrush to celebrate
Adam Taylor
The propaganda has been going on for months now. It's insanely low quality and if you're even slightly observant it's easy to ignore it. While China is a shit capitalist system, I hate being lied to about it. A lot of it is trade propaganda, and you can straight up tell the Huawei drama is straight up propaganda at the behest of Apple and probably larger US (or US presence) phone manufacturers because China is murdering them at their own game.
Hacker News/YCombinator is compromised multiple times daily and is actually banning people for being critical of the propaganda. Not so many "bright minds" on there, as tech engineers are stupid as fuck outside of their one narrow field.
Angel Rodriguez
nothing justifies a yankee war. but if we look at the two main adversaries of the US, russia and china, then we can still
1.) CRITICALLY support some of their actions in order to function as a bulwark against american imperialism
2.) and still criticize the other bullshit they do.
it's just that most users here forget about #2. #1 does not purify russia and china of all of their sins. there is no need to support china's treatment of the uyghurs, or russia's oligarchic neoliberal bullshit etc.
Christian Harris
This is "the jews were kicked out of every country they lived in" tier kind of anti-Han bigotry.
Carson Edwards
so what do you think is more likely? that the uyghurs are ultra-violent criminal savages, so that their arrest must be 10x more likely, or that the CPC is cracking down on any slight dissident because it's a fucking corrupt ass government that has lost all its oversight and doesn't know how to handle these issues without having to admit that their economic policies have been utter bullshit, thus resorting to repression and ethnonationalism in a bid to cover up their retardery?
kill yourself my man
Owen Rogers
Agreed absolutely, but for me this probably appears a lot as though I actively support China, though I always try to pepper in critical words. I’ve noticed this increase in anti-Chinese propaganda, and while it has a basis in reality (China is repressive, China is committing a cultural genocide of the Uyghurs) American media and people still have a way of actually making that hyperbolic. Like China is being elevated to the fantastical nightmare they project onto North Korea. I’ve seen many comments saying as much, that China is just a giant North Korea, or that China will soon have little drones following every individual. It’s just absurdities. The media also has been doing the same thing it normally does for North Korea. They’ve been doing it for years, but it was always tempered by the articles like “wow, China is doing so great because of its liberalizations!”. Now it’s like “China banned puns WTF!?” with no nuance at all.
Nobody in America that consumes these stories has any clue what China is or how it operates. It’s currently their school aged horrible fantasy of a totally efficient, totalitarian surveillance state. Able to handily repress and watch you every second of the day. It’s “black mirror”. Ironically they give the Chinese state way too much credit.
Jaxson Lopez
David Davis
I mean yeah. I made the original I Want to Believe meme with the Chinese state emblem months ago but I think Western leftists are attracted to this because it makes you feel like you're part of something bigger rather than as a fairly small socialist group among a hodgepodge of them (which is the reality).
My feeling is that Mao created this unified state which people thought was impossible at the time, and now China has these vulnerable borders to deal with and …. yeah now I'm getting into this compromised "realpolitik" position where I'm trying to justify suppressing Tibet and Xinjiang, because China doesn't want anybody to use those areas to stage attacks on the extremely dense eastern part of China. But if I were running the show like a video game I'd think about making those countries aligned with China but semi-autonomous and demilitarized. Something like Ukraine, if Russia and the U.S./E.U. sat down and resolved the situation.
The Falun Gong are a bunch of creeps though. I said it.
The U.S. version of this is the PSL I believe which has this "global class war" theory which makes Russia and China have a "proletarian character" because… reasons. Well, it comes from Lenin, or so they tell me.
Julian Jackson
I actually support the DPRK more than I support the PRC. But as I've already said ITT: The Chinese has no one to blame but themselves. No one is forcing them to found re-education camps or other stupid shit like that. They are grasping for straws at this point because the people are growing more and more discontent as the economic growth starts to slow down and a large percentage of the population starts to realize that they wealth they were promised hasn't trickled down. In a bid to calm the population, they are turning to idpol CHINA STRONG bullshit, which is apparent in the way they treat their internal periphery and will also be apparent in the way they conduct foreign policy, starting with imperialism in Africa. This is the same thing right-wing governments have always been doing: Distracting from class issues with identity issues.
Logan Barnes
I know that's bullshit like you're saying, but this reminds me of those Iain Banks (RIP) sci-fi novels where they don't have prisons; if you break the law the society just "slap drones" you so a machine follows you around to make sure you don't kill any more people.
Ayden Long
Yes, no, no. Yes, there is repression, but it is not ethnonationalist and it is in fact in response to US-Wahabi subversive activities. The CIA and its Wahabi partners are obviously engineering an islamist insurgency in Xinjiang, using Syria among others as an incubation area, and the government is applying classical tactics to counter it - mostly re-education and sending cadres among the people.
Jace Richardson
The Chinese economy is rapidly decelerating. If you watch CGTN or read the main Chinese papers for a foreign market, it's all "look at this massive construction project!!!" every day; absolutely hammering you with China stronk. This goes way back in Chinese history where emperors would try to dazzle foreigners with these impressive displays in the hope of convincing them to become tributary states. And it is remarkable, but this has all been paid for with a historically unprecedented (anywhere in the world) credit-debt bubble and that has to contract.
Noah Sanchez
the honeymoon where the western media was positive about china is over. it was over the second they realized that china will never liberalize and XI named himself el presidente for life
Angel Thomas
Gee, I wonder how that will work out. We will see more support than ever for East Turkestan independence. Expect FREE TURKESTAN concerts by your favorite indie rock artists soon. Good fucking job to the brainlets over at the CPC.
Andrew Green
I know this meme has been going on for years but at some point the bubble will have to break, similar to Japan in the 90s, if the CPC doesn't change course soon.
Gavin Phillips
The only slightly funny thing about this is that guys like Mike Pence will have to defend freedom of religion for Muslims in order to bash the CPC and call for sanctions.
Logan Nguyen
"what are you man, islamphobic or something?"
Like these han guys are totally repressing people like 1984 style"- Bono
Cameron Nelson
I do too, but mostly because the hyperbole with them is far worse.
It’s really depressing to watch the public reaction on the internet to media around China. I think you said earlier in the topic that revolutionary defeatism is the only answer, and that is essentially how I default because a lot of the discussion is along the lines of “America can’t let these people gain hegemony” now. And it seems like an organic opinion, like after Trump got elected there was the organic response of “maybe we suck and China should take over”. Then the media goes into overdrive on China and it become “oh my god the fucking Uruk Hai are coming over the hill we have to do something!”. I actually want Americans to see themselves in China. The liberals will call it whataboutism to invoke our imperial brutality, they say it isn’t the same because they’re doing it at home, but we used to do it at home. We just less need for the past 60 years to do it at home, and furthermore we have a fervent part of the population that wants to start camps for immigrants and shoot them at the border! But when you get this imperial head butting that shit all goes out the window again because, implicitly, the liberals are afraid that they will have to endure all of those nightmarish fantasies they project onto China if China becomes more powerful. They’re afraid the privileges bestowed by living in the world hegemon will all go away, and they don’t know what that looks like, and they get defensive, and they start extolling the virtues of American values again. It’s absurd, we live in a blood state.
Michael Rodriguez
The CPC does not care about what liberal gweilos think and they shouldn't.
Tyler Perry
Seriously guys?
Michael Mitchell
The CPC cares a lot. There was a football match in the 4th league of German football (Reglonalliga). The Chinese youth squad was supposed to play as a member of the league. One of the fans had a Tibet flag with them. The Chinese then pulled out of the entire league.
Mention Tibet or East Turkestan and the CPC will go absolutely apeshit insane. Brad Pitt is still banned from China for doing a slightly pro-Tibetan movie 20 years ago. They will REEEEEEEE until the end of time.
Parker Brooks
Proof that democratic centralism works
Thomas Brown
america needs an outside enemy again. I mean a real enemy. Like the soviet union was. Something united americans in hatred for the alien other. The elite realized when trump won. The muslims arent a good enemy, they are like gants. Now the communists. They were a good enemy. A nuclear powered super state that could end all life on the planet. Now, in america there might be some racist guy but you can tell him "hey if you dont calm down and unite with that nigger then the commies are going to take over"
And if you got protesters, you can just call them commies and throw them in the slammer. Economy going bad? commies. Subversive element in society? commies.
And well, as you said, the anglo zionist empire are scared they might lose hegemony
What better way to unite a tribalistic america tearing at the seams than against a far away land filled with asian bug people who dont even practice capitalism
David Perry
oh, even better. like during the cold war. you can tell the islamists in the middle east that the commies are coming and they will get rid of islam, so they should stop attacking the west and have to form an alliance instead
Lucas Myers
Hey what about dem dead babies strangled in their incubators in Iraq tho? Remember that brah? What about that crying little iraqi girl, damn, gotta bomb some more eh!!!!
Aiden Campbell
If Trump declares State Atheism I’d happily accept such a policy.
Brandon Diaz
Are you a communist or just angry at life?
Jason Morgan
You misunderstand. They will never care enough to let it dictate internal policy. If they ban Brad Pitt, that's a problem for Brad Pitt, not for China.
Jace Miller
religion is an opiate of the masses
Brandon Price
Lol. It's funny you say any of that. Cause what we really need is to stop defining ourselves by our enemies and whatever the fuck else it is we hate.
Wyatt Flores
China isn’t socialist. It’s capitalist and imperialist, this is an inter-imperialist conflict. The correct response is for workers on both sides to promote revolutionary defeatism.
Colton Harris
It Dosent matter if the people living there are really racist towards each other the point is is that there is literally no ethnonationalist racial laws in china or anything of that strip
Ethan Fisher
Xijang is a massive surveillance state where everyone’s phones are constantly monitored.
Charles Sullivan
So is America. But neither are ethnostates.
Sebastian Flores
Colton Wright
America is an ethnostate for Amerimutts.
Cameron Perry
China is already insanely capitalistic that a disintegration/revolution can't make it any worse.
Tyler Parker
Citation / proof needed
Ian White
…just like any mobile phone in any country in the world.
If you want proof for mobile phone surveillance in any capitalist state you are extremely deep in ideology.
Ayden King
But not 24/6 like in East Turkistan
Camden Howard
*24/7
Ethan Diaz
Has anyone considered that China, as a capitalist power, is simply going harder nationalist in anticipation of not being able to maintain the growth rate that has undergirded their popularity and legitimacy up this point, and in keeping with this they're suppressing the left and problematic minority groups, and the United States is simply using this fact to score propaganda points against them (though they're no less guilty of this in any way)?
I mean, I don't know why the US in 2018 would support fucking Maoists anywhere when they have plenty of right-wing groups to choose from. It would be far more in their character to try to support the Neo-Confucians and Falun Gong (along with the usual-suspect neoliberals) than play with fire by backing Maoists.
Tyler James
Is she showing off a US passport?
John Jones
Probably thinking that Maoists would wreck the country if they got in power someone because "hurr communism doesn't work"
Elijah Brooks
A defeatist is only revolutionary if he is advocating for the defeat of America. If America ties it will wins because the status quo (American dominance) is retained.
Lucas Clark
Did (you) know that
Have (you) ever received advertisement in SMS message? If I had enough money, I could simply go to one the telecommunication companies and tell them that I want to send message to every man under 25 years living in your town or neighborhood with my advertisement so I could reach (you). In fact, it is possible to send offer for dragon dildos to everyone who visits porn website, but telecommunication companies usually refuse to do that because they know it would spook people too much, and people would lose their illusion of anonymity.
All that is "just" business side of mobile phone surveillance. There are laws prohibiting companies to send advertisements to anyone without their written consent, like GDPR in EU, but that do not directly restrict authorities. And countries which do restrict how can police watch (you) legally require (you) to enter personal information before using SIM-card. If (you)'d bother me enough to bring some proofs, I could probably fish out some old articles like german police using mobile phone data to identify some terrorist shooting random cars on autobahn.
The only way to avoid regular checks of your location based on mobile phone is literally wrapping your phone in 2-3 layers of tinfoil
Connor Taylor
Head-bone connects to the headphones
Headphones connect to the iPhone
IPhone connected to the internet
Connected to the Google
Connected to the government
Dominic Williams
Not to defend Chinese revisionism or anything but dissident communist groups in nominal socialist countries tend to be highly autistic. I could see an underground party being used to collapse the PRC and bring in a bourgeois democracy/fascist regime because a lot of times these parties are only good at protesting and usually fall apart when their agitation becomes slightly successful
Jeremiah Smith
Based sane poster.
Brody Johnson
Because Maoists, unlike Reactionaries would need to win a civil war to get into power.
Joshua Johnson
Isn't that precisely what the United States typically wants? Far-right groups that tend to be friendlier to their American backers?
Jacob Fisher
falun dafa is literally CIA-sponsored nazis (with chinese characteristics) don't @ me
Cameron Kelly
The US fears China. The US doesn’t want China as an Ally, the US wants to ensure that China won’t be able to threaten them.
Parker Johnson
Western imperialists funneled Lenin into russia to destabilize the country.
Carter Hernandez
Falun Gong are weird Chinese fascists.
Jordan Parker
Most certainly.
I've also been seeing ads for this everywhere, even mailers. But yeah, it's all palingenesis with the mythic lost ancient China reborn into the present to revitalize the society and cure it of dysgenic elements (the Falun Gong is opposed to race-mixing). I received a mailer a few weeks ago advertising Shen Yun with anti-communist quotes mixed in alongside "See Shen Yun live (!) on DATE at the [Big-Ass Performance Center]."
The Epoch Times, the Falun Gong's newspaper, is also deranged Red Scare phantasmagoria pulled right out of the 1950s. The German language version of the paper promotes the neo- or post-fascist AfD.
Also – the Epoch Times includes Trevor Loudon as one of its columnists; the New Zealander author of "The Enemies Within: Communists, Socialists and Progressives in the U.S. Congress" and proprietor of keywiki, which compiles dossiers on socialists in the United States. Oddly, Loudon is a proponent of the ZAP cult which combines Scientology, Eastern mysticism and the political views of the John Birch Society.
Hunter Garcia
Holy fuck, I didn't realize Shen Yun was Falun Gong. I've seen billboards for that show for what feels like a couple of years.
Caleb James
The Falun Gong actually secured a deal to advertise their rodeo during the weather segment on one of my local news channels. During the weekly forecast segment there are little Shen Yun logos under each day. Like: Monday, cloudy, high/low and then a Shen Yun logo at the bottom. It's insidious. I almost spat out my coffee when I saw it.
Josiah Edwards
John Pilger has been say we're going to war with them for ages.
It's only a matter of time.
Jonathan Bell
You know, at this point China should be nuked
Jackson Jones
Hopefully they would end America as well at the same time.
Lucas Martinez
If it happens, it's the nail in the coffin for the U.S., even if they win.
Zachary Nelson
I'm confused.
Do they do performance art as well?
Parker Nelson
2 birds with one stone?
Noah Morales
No, clearly the yellow bugmen can't be trusted to steward technology like only the white master race could.
Fuck off.
Andrew Jackson
This sort of shit is why left-wing politics don't appeal to religious people (i.e. most of the world's population). Not saying China is communist or whatever, it clearly isn't (contrary to what some people on this board seem to believe), but people certainly perceive it that way along with the USSR, NK, etc. Criticizing organized religions for having bourgeois class character is fine, I do it too, but putting people in camps and force-feeding them pork - or raping nuns if you're an anarkiddie - kinda makes you an asshole.
Ian Smith
yeah except is a total bullshit story
Thomas Ramirez
What? Fuckin sperg
Wyatt Jackson
How did society get to a point that they accept these things
Nicholas Morgan
...
Levi Johnson
So you actually like what China is doing? Would you like to move there if they let you?
And stop strawmaning
Xavier Reed
obviously Amerikan imperialism is worse and not okay, all I'm saying is that you can't expect religious people to support communism so long as it's associated with religious repression in the USSR, China etc.
Joshua Clark
No, because I don't speak Chinese and have no intention of learning it. Not to mention that I actually enjoy a community where I live and I have no intention of severing myself from it, which might be hard to comprehend for an antisocial individual such as yourself. Stupid challenge, frankly.
But I have no objection to what China is doing - and just to be clear it is not "nightmarish" or "totalitarian", but rather experimental use of new technologies to tackle pressing societal problems. As you said yourself, it's widely popular - if the Chinese people like it, who the fuck are you to object? All I read is that they must just be dumb lemmings for loving it, clear bias against non-individualistic culture.