Gilets jaunes / Yellow vests general

Ryan Campbell
Ryan Campbell

This time with a French OP. Can we get a cycling thread for as long as the crisis is ongoing?
Also as a Frenchman, I can probably answer any questions you guys might have.

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Lucas Stewart
Lucas Stewart

Looks cool but nothing good will come off this I bet.

Anthony Allen
Anthony Allen

You a paysans OP? How are things where you are?

Jason Hall
Jason Hall

confused, insurrectionist and class-conscious proles smas symbols of French imperialism
The left:
<lol they are probably Nazis read my article as to why the USSR wasn't socialist

Gavin Hill
Gavin Hill

This, I've heard some dumb takes even from "tankies". Like that this is just a CIA "arab spring" type revolution. I ask, so what? I wouldn't even give a shit if the US knocked out france like this, france is part of the imperialist cartel which subjugates the world. If the US decided to coup all EU countries and reduce them to rubble I wouldn't give a shit, because the US would only weaken itself with the isolationism.

Liam Watson
Liam Watson

bunch of redlibs and just straight up libs

Elijah Hughes
Elijah Hughes

I don't have a no brain Womack concave enough for this fucking take…

Eli Rivera
Eli Rivera

Is there anything to indicate that the protestors are class conscious?

Nicholas Scott
Nicholas Scott

Not really sure what to make of the situation to be honest. I need a French OP to explain to me what to think about it. See, I'm not French but I respect French sovereignty and will not intervene in their affairs, as I believe in the principle of mutual respect and cooperation.

Anyways, I hope everything works out over there

Jason Barnes
Jason Barnes

Macron is offering a 6 month delay on the introduction of the tax
Lamo is that his opening offer?

Jaxson Richardson
Jaxson Richardson

Getting assblasted over a tax is not class struggle. Fuck off with this bourgeois reactionary shit.

Cooper Foster
Cooper Foster

people are protesting because they want cheaper gas and aren't protesting the fact that neoliberal austerity measures aren't enough to meet the 2020 climate change deadline

lol we are doomed

Aiden Lee
Aiden Lee

The left won't capitalize on this event and in a week or two the protests will be primarily right wing reactionary forces crying about immigration and muh western civilization.

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Landon Moore
Landon Moore

You seem horribly out of touch with regular people.

Of course nobody protests because some made up number doesnt meet an arbitrary deadline.
And of course they do protest when high taxes makes their quality of life lower.

Ayden James
Ayden James

If by "regular people" you mean reactionary lumpenproles that have no idea what is happening to this planet, then good, I am glad to be out of touch with them.

Jonathan Martinez
Jonathan Martinez

The CGT has called for a general strike to support them on the 14th.

Andrew Bennett
Andrew Bennett

73% of emissions come from 100 companies, some paysans not wanting to lose all their money is not a fucking threat to the enviroment.

Jace Allen
Jace Allen

I mean the people on the protest.
The Gilets Jaunes.

Dylan Smith
Dylan Smith

I'm seeing a lot of shit saying "we are the sovereign people".

Dylan Bailey
Dylan Bailey

And going after those companies will still upset consumers in the end. People need to understand that if we want to get really serious about climate change that lifestyles will need be drastically upended, so there's no point in trying to lessen the impact with austerity bullshit. Go for broke. I want to see automobiles banned all together. That'll really give the lumpens something to be pissy about.

I suggest you all learn how to ride a horse.

Jayden Martinez
Jayden Martinez

Lumpenproles

No, these people are ACTUAL workers - not pretentious students in their comfortable dorms like you.

Alexander Sanchez
Alexander Sanchez

I definitely think we should block automobiles being allowed in poor/ developing countries where emmissions standards are lower.

Brayden Ramirez
Brayden Ramirez

You see how this is such a bullshit neoliberal way of trying to resolve this right? It's an individualized tx to impact consumer behaviour, not anything systematic. You're fucking over the rural working class to achieve jack shit through bullshit means.

Aaron Baker
Aaron Baker

Anyone read Communist Nihlism? Monsieur Dupont's analysis of the British 2000 petrol blockades seem to completely mirror the Gilets jaunes situation rightdown to Revolutionary LARPers denouncing the movement as fascist because they don't have their grubby claws anywhere near the steering wheel.

Brandon Sanchez
Brandon Sanchez

Just refer these idiotic westerners to Left Wing Communism: An infantile Disorder.

Robert Cruz
Robert Cruz

I'm not from Paris but I'm pretty much intermediary I guess. Neither from the countryside nor the dense urban centers but I lived most of my life in cities. Still I support the gilets jaunes.
Where I am it's fairly calm but the central power is going to fall.

This.

Low quality message.

There is no ideological consistency. The movement is clearly caused by degrading social & material situations and already most people know there is a divide between the elites and the rest of the population.

Don't feel forced to use bandwidth to spout that kind of asinine shit.

Adam White
Adam White

all of the retards in this thread calling the Gilets Jaunes movement "reactionary"
For the love of Marx, give the WSWS, RT, hell - even - fucking Jacobin a read. The situation has escalated. It is no longer just a matter of paysans getting bootyblasted over higher prices at the pump; this shit has turned personal for many Frenchmen. It is the task of the Left to harness the power of the masses to upend bourgeois dominance. Get involved or risk seeing a farcical reenactment of the fall of the Commune.

Leo Cruz
Leo Cruz

I am skeptical this could go anywhere just because of a deep pessimism, but this seems to be exactly the kind of opportunity you are supposed to seize if you believe in radicalizing the working class or stoking revolution. It’s somewhat strange to see a bunch of lefties on the internet (even soc dems on Twitter) who don’t identify as leftcoms to suddenly start following their playbook, with the whole “is this an authentic working class movement?”. I don’t even know what that means, it’s certainly not a bunch of ideologically committed Nazis so I don’t know why there is this concern over whether or not our team just appeared like the Golden Horde out of the east. It isn’t a spectator sport.

Jordan Walker
Jordan Walker

IMO the next step needs to be the general strike.

Charles Mitchell
Charles Mitchell

Why did we open a new thread just to have to go through the same bs again, post the same pictures, make the same arguments, why French OP can you not just go throw your comments into the other one???

Aiden Flores
Aiden Flores

Bump limit? Also this one is cycling.

Charles Parker
Charles Parker

Unlike /pol/ it seems to me like a leftist movement and it has nothing to do with niggers or immigration.

Zachary Wright
Zachary Wright

Copied from:

"Whoever expects a ‘pure’ social revolution will never live to see it. Such a person pays lip-service to revolution without understanding what revolution is […] The socialist revolution in Europe cannot be anything other than an outburst of mass struggle on the part of all and sundry oppressed and discontented elements. Inevitably, sections of the petty bourgeoisie and of the backward workers will participate in it—without such participation, mass struggle is impossible, without it no revolution is possible—and just as inevitably will they bring into the movement their prejudices, their reactionary fantasies, their weaknesses slid errors. But objectively they will attack capital, and the class-conscious vanguard of the revolution, the advanced proletariat, expressing this objective truth of a variegated and discordant, motley and outwardly fragmented, mass struggle, will be able to unite and direct it, capture power, seize the banks, expropriate the trusts which all hate (though for difficult reasons!), and introduce other dictatorial measures which in their totality will amount to the overthrow of the bourgeoisie and the victory of socialism, which, however, will by no means immediately ‘purge’ itself of petty-bourgeois slag."

<V. I. Lenin

Carson King
Carson King

Holy shit I hope this is bait and you aren't actually this stupid

Jose Morales
Jose Morales

Jean Lassalle will lead France into Juche.

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Evan Martin
Evan Martin

Goddamn Lenin owns

Elijah Collins
Elijah Collins

based and vanguardpilled

Noah Thompson
Noah Thompson

itt. LARPing no-book "revolutionaries" being useless faggots as always
Anyone who dismisses this movement as "fascist" or "lumpenprole" or whatever should eat a fucking gun. You have no understanding of class struggle and no understanding of revolutionary theory. You're just another pseudo-radical pretending to be a revolutionary, of absolutely no value to anyone.

Justin Price
Justin Price

if it’s not my ☭TANKIE☭ masturbation fantasy it’s not a REAL revolution
Kill yourself

Christian Campbell
Christian Campbell

Sauce (just because):
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jul/x01.htm

Lucas Murphy
Lucas Murphy

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Austin Jones
Austin Jones

So what? Some idiot with a nazi flag can show up at ANY rally and suddenly the entire thing is destroyed in the eyes of "the left".

Benjamin Cooper
Benjamin Cooper

WELL based on this jpg I can tell this is not a leftist movement and surely it is representative of the entirety of the yellow jacket movement which anyway has a very consistent ideology. Thank you based foreigner for opening my eyes, as a native frenchman it's easy to think you can understand your own country.

Elijah Bell
Elijah Bell

It's funny, if an actual workers revolution were to take place then all the state needs to do is plants some agents here and there with nazi uniforms and then the whole western "left" start denouncing it from every corner. Oh pious western "lefts", please guide my ignorant soul to the promise land!

Grayson Sanchez
Grayson Sanchez

one flag
wtf I love Macron now. We must defend Jupiter from these Nazi rioters

Jace Gomez
Jace Gomez

bump

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Ethan Morales
Ethan Morales

let's say gas jumped suddenly to $10/gallon in the US. given how the whole US society is structured around the automobile, and gas is a huge proportion of expenses for many people, this shift would threaten to impoverish tens of millions within weeks. The case is less extreme of course in France, but only to a degree. People whose life is reliant on an automobile to survive after neoliberal cuts to mass transit have no other choice but to protest. As for why they didn't protest earlier- most people are not so politically active or educated that they understand what the government does on a macroscopic scale, but a gas tax is an immediate reality in people's lives. It's similar to how the Paris Commune and the French Revolution before it were set off by the spike in the prices of basic necessities like bread. Also see examples like the Gin Craze in 18th Century Britain, where the government cynically taxed gin to raise revenues with regressive sales taxes while also claiming the moral highground based on the evils of liquor, eventually setting off riots
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gin_Craze

Charles Flores
Charles Flores

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Cameron Nelson
Cameron Nelson

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Sebastian Baker
Sebastian Baker

This. I swear it is like we are living in mid Nov again where the whole France Left has already thrown its weight behind it coz they want it to be another 68.

Owen Sanchez
Owen Sanchez

this also gets me thinking that industrial society is very fragile indeed. if all literal fuel that greases and turns the gears of our society were to run low suddenly or made artificially so with taxes and a preemptive strike in the name of fighting climate change, then people start to realize how vulnerable they are. Gas taxes are good praxis

Kevin Long
Kevin Long

has already thrown
hasn't already thrown

Charles Mitchell
Charles Mitchell

To be fair, nazis share contempt for the bourgeoisie/elite too, it's just that they're deluded that it's based more on race/religion rather than strictly class.

Wyatt Bennett
Wyatt Bennett

twitter.com/0Metallica/status/1069926516857995265
mfw I live to see the 2nd French Revolution

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Jaxson Price
Jaxson Price

Woah, nazis co-opt leftist rhetoric? Guess we have to become monarchists now so that we're not attached to Nazi punks!

Daniel Hughes
Daniel Hughes

Based Kingdom of Misore

James Cruz
James Cruz

So will the movement wind down now that the tax measures have been postponed?

Hunter Price
Hunter Price

Demand X to be scrapped
Offered a suspension of X for a few months
Never negotiate with anyone user

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Aaron Butler
Aaron Butler

I don't want it to stop, was worried that people would be fooled but clearly they haven't been thus far.

Alexander Diaz
Alexander Diaz

So what? Some idiot with a nazi flag can show up at ANY rally
Are you fucking retarded? No they can't. Nazis couldn't join in a communist rally for instance.

Matthew Gomez
Matthew Gomez

It's real CIA in here

Colton King
Colton King

Top fucking lol you are going to hand the right a victory because you are too busy arguing if the protest is reactionary or not.

Jack Rogers
Jack Rogers

Leftypol will change shit
Lamo, the CGT are organising a general strike to work with the yellow jackets: that's actual shit happening.

Zachary Clark
Zachary Clark

you are too busy arguing if the protest is reactionary or not.
Implying Zig Forums has ANY influence in reality or that 95% of posters here are involved in IRL politics

Tyler Sanchez
Tyler Sanchez

Good about time the left started doing something other than complaining. Nationalists can't carry you on their backs while they take on liberalism.

Dominic Sanders
Dominic Sanders

Wah the left isn't doing anything
<Yes we are
well you're just being carried on backs
Fuck off mate.

Christopher Robinson
Christopher Robinson

Organising a strike
Haven't gone on strike yet
Yeah fuck off yourself mate

Chase Fisher
Chase Fisher

I'm not French, I'm not organising shit.

Benjamin Morales
Benjamin Morales

strikes can happen just by snapping your fingers
Get offline and look at reality

Levi Hill
Levi Hill

These things … they take time.

Brayden Stewart
Brayden Stewart

Rural French lost their shit weeks ago maybe you need another foot up your ass.

Levi Reyes
Levi Reyes

CGT
great so this is just gonna be a revisionist succdem strike

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Caleb Lee
Caleb Lee

That's not even a reply…

Robert Wilson
Robert Wilson

Hudson Stewart
Hudson Stewart

You faggots are never happy are you? Jesus Christ kill yourself

Kayden Russell
Kayden Russell

because you are too busy arguing
The bolsheviks were arguing for literally all of 1917 over strategy in a revolution that almost totally out of their control until the end of that year

Robert Watson
Robert Watson

workers get a higher wages and lower taxes
everything goes back to the way it was only to happen again in 20 years
why should I be?

Brandon Barnes
Brandon Barnes

things are exactly the same 50 years
Literally everyone was reminding each other of the failure of 68. That's why CGT is organizing one this time and going with the flow.

William Reed
William Reed

What do you guys think about the fact that the Gilets completely shut out the trade unions that normally control these protests?

Nathan Stewart
Nathan Stewart

But they could though. A nazi could literally run in front of a commie rally and unveil his flag, get pictured, then run away.

Jaxon Hernandez
Jaxon Hernandez

the fact that the Gilets completely shut out the trade unions
When?

Jason White
Jason White

Throughout.

Apparently they dont have any leaders so Macron cant pay off their leaders to end the protest.

Noah Green
Noah Green

Shut out? They just did it independently of them.

Caleb Wood
Caleb Wood

Throughout.
So the YJ explicitly tell unions to fuck off, or turn away unionist?

Jaxon Reed
Jaxon Reed

see

They were not invited (or allowed) to take up the usual leadership role they expected.

Cameron Morales
Cameron Morales

Saying not allowed implies an element of shunning them: that's not really happened. Also the Unions don't lead like every protest ever: mostly just ones involving the rights of trade unions (which has been most in recent years). The Bonnet Rouge are an example of a political movement that occured without the unions.

Carter Stewart
Carter Stewart

YJ has leaders? Even then that doesn't mean that is 'completely shut out' them though

Owen Gutierrez
Owen Gutierrez

the demands went way beyond that

jakkkobinmag.com/2018/11/yellow-vests-france-gilets-jaunes-fuel-macron

Mason Barnes
Mason Barnes

an example of why unions suck quite a lot

William Morris
William Morris

The Bonnet Rouge are an example of a political movement that occured without the unions.

All I can say is I admire the French for being different.
In my country it would be 100% union controlled and dictated and all the credit would go to them.

Jose Russell
Jose Russell

Is there going to be another French revolution? Please tell me it's finally happening.
LIBERTÉ EGALITÉ FRATERNITÉ

Noah Ramirez
Noah Ramirez

We're beyond Poll Tax Tier, perhaps Latin American 00s protest movement tier. If the CGT's strike goes off well it could reach Mai 68 tier.

Hudson Thomas
Hudson Thomas

This situation looks like it has a lot of potential. If Communists organize in the right way, it could lead beyond May 1968, into an actual revolution.

Luke Carter
Luke Carter

This. The problem of May 68 was that the communists didn’t seize on a potentially revolutionary situation. The people here advocating against pushing this movement as far as it can go should off themselves.

Parker Nguyen
Parker Nguyen

into an actual revolution.
I just hope it doesn't stop at Paris Commune tier.

Jason Butler
Jason Butler

this is true but at the same time the last thing you want is a bunch of trot trade unionists jumping in and trying to tell everyone what to do

Ayden Roberts
Ayden Roberts

I think this con
The trades unions in France aren't trot thank goodness.

Jace Nelson
Jace Nelson

It’s not about telling them what to do, it’s about helping them accomplish their goals while at the same time making them understand why this shit is happening (ie making them understand why shit like the fuel tax is connected to the contradictions of capitalism). We need to help them achieve what they want while making them class conscious in the process.

Robert Lee
Robert Lee

Also I don't think this will end-up as a communist revolution: more likely is that it will involve the transition to a blank-slate regime that will open an opportunity to take power by ballot box or barricade. Think of this like February 1917 via means of Euromaidan.

Kevin Williams
Kevin Williams

this would be good for us in the long run. France is not nearly as cucked by idpol like America was from OWS.

Eli Garcia
Eli Garcia

Woah, a genuine grassroots people's movement against economic injustice that is actually succeeding somewhat.

Imagine if something like the left actually existed to take advantage of this.

Joseph Morgan
Joseph Morgan

They will, but tbh I’m low key thinking it’s going to get bamboozled like the strike of 68

Angel Gutierrez
Angel Gutierrez

And if the protests get co-oped by reactionaries you’ll scratch your head and wonder why.

Wyatt Watson
Wyatt Watson

cease the zoomer vocab immediately

Aiden Gray
Aiden Gray

the future is now, old man

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Jackson Walker
Jackson Walker

Am I right in saying they want some form of semi-direct democracy like in Switzerland? One of their demands mentioned referendums when a petition hits a value of 700k

Some exciting shit, though I'm still skeptical they'll achieve anything good

Austin Flores
Austin Flores

New WSWS article on Yellow Jackets
wsws.org/en/articles/2018/12/04/fran-d04.html

Jonathan Peterson
Jonathan Peterson

Actual non-idpol based workers movement occurs that, if successful, at worst simply leads to a blank slate government in which a communist party can insert itself and at best leads to full revolt
Suddenly a bunch of talking heads appear on the "left" denouncing it
If this isn't actual CIA or some other government agency, idk what is. The amount of glow-in-the-dark is unreal.

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Nolan Campbell
Nolan Campbell

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Ryder Smith
Ryder Smith

It's quite similar to L'Avenir au Common plan:
laec.fr/chapitre/1/la-6e-republique

Joshua Cooper
Joshua Cooper

Uh oh

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Anthony King
Anthony King

all of the lefties ITT shying away from actual popular revolt
lol how typical, now go back to your student dorms while the Pays Réel beats up the Macronie.

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Benjamin Gray
Benjamin Gray

Yeah seriously, Lenin would be ashamed of the lot of you. These are fantastic conditions, all that's needed is a vanguard to redirect it.

Jackson Nguyen
Jackson Nguyen

why are you strawmanning?

Luis Richardson
Luis Richardson

he thinks vanguard movements are born out of thin air
This board is pure LARP and this thread shows it

Asher Reyes
Asher Reyes

No decent leftist organization exists in Paris
This board goes constantly back and forth between emphasizing planning or spontaneity, using either to discredit any sort of movement everywhere.

Mason Wilson
Mason Wilson

maybe that's because Zig Forums isn't one person

Owen Rogers
Owen Rogers

using either to discredit any sort of movement everywhere.
That's because the vocal retards of this board are never content with anything IRL and don't do anything IRL and just sit on the sidelines and bitch and LARP. It's pretty gay.

Bentley Roberts
Bentley Roberts

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Jordan Thompson
Jordan Thompson

I'm not, I just like to visit Zig Forums from time to time to see how it responds to current events and once again I was not let down by how far up your own asses all of you are.

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Jeremiah Stewart
Jeremiah Stewart

This uprising is now under the exclusive stewardship of the NazBol Gang™

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Ayden Long
Ayden Long

but you are

Jose Cook
Jose Cook

MS Paint comics aren't arguments

Jack Fisher
Jack Fisher

neither is complaining about something that isn't there

Isaac Sanchez
Isaac Sanchez

Zig Forums epitomises the worst of the left /pol/ epitomises the worst of the right

Jackson Kelly
Jackson Kelly

So basically we're most likely getting a 6th repubilc with more Democracy, is that right?

Brody Martinez
Brody Martinez

Also notice all the pro-environmentalist shit in that: for all the wankers suggesting to oppose this on ecological grounds.
Oui, but considering the Sixth Republic movement is basically leftist in origin (specifically Neo-Benninite DemSoc): it bodes quite well.

Brayden Harris
Brayden Harris

I doubt this is even 1968 tier, but at least some demands have surfaced. I'm curious to see if positive democratic change would spread throughout the rest of the EU.

Tyler Davis
Tyler Davis

you mean the same party that has been consistently BTFO over the last century and whose only claim to fame is Papa Hitler putting them in power?

Thomas King
Thomas King

completely. French workers will easily benefit from more Democraacy
we need it more in America than the rest of the EU tbh.

Jace Powell
Jace Powell

Honestly this whole thing has turned me off the marxist movement. I've been an ML for a long time now, but its become clear to me most people who say they're Marxist-Leninists don't know what the fuck they're on about and actually just Marxist-wokests. MLs have completely ignored this protest instead choosing to show their complete ignorance to take the time to deride the yellow jackets as petite-bourgeoisie, first-worldists, moan about colonialism or white people or just generally be a fucking hindrance.

These people don't understand NO workers movement starts of marxist because most people don't have a fucking clue about it. THAT'S WHAT A FUCKING VANGUARD IS FOR, TO MAKE IT MARXIST. Instead you've got woke ML lesbians instead tweeting about how Boots Riley, a fucking millionaire, is "woke" because he said basic shit or taking the oppertunity to have a go at the French about colonialism, which all they ever really do.

I don't know, I've always supported anti-colonialism, anti-imperialism and all that, but if you're going to not throw your lot in behind workers because of some armchair theory shit then why not just get the fuck out the movement and stay in your cozy little sociology classroom writing medium articles. Its like if Lenin said "oh, we can't have the october revolution because these workers and peasants don't understand post-colonial theory and gender materialism!" Well, you're going be waiting a long fucking time for that.

William Myers
William Myers

MLs are fucking scum.

Ryder Jackson
Ryder Jackson

getting turned off of Marxism because autismos on the Internet are acting autistic
Get off the Internet and interact with people. Imageboard politics are literally retarded

Jacob Evans
Jacob Evans

Pays Réel beats up the Macronie
To replace it with monarchism? Go lick feudal boots somewhere else.

Kayden Smith
Kayden Smith

glad you've finally seen the light.
he said Marxism-Leninism, which is whole other self-identifying movement that has a shitton of non-working bells and whistles.

Wyatt Thompson
Wyatt Thompson

Its not they're scum, a lot of them are just turning into armchairs. And all these fucking post-colonial gender materialist marxist wokesists will throw their lot behind ANY movement in the third world or random black riot, despite them having nothing to do with marxism. And so they should, but you didn't see all these twitter lesbians and post-colonialist theorists or whatever ignoring or chastising BLM or the Ferguson riots because they weren't marxist, which they fucking weren't BLM wanted to keep it politically neutral. And that's fine, you should support black struggle against the police who are killing them, but don't then turn around and start unloading your armchair bullshit onto other worker's movements.

Nicholas Diaz
Nicholas Diaz

This. All internet politics are cancer.

Julian Baker
Julian Baker

Why would you base your opinion of an ideology on like two posters, who are deliberately trying to provoke a reaction by posting stupid things?

Jace Stewart
Jace Stewart

Sadly for most people this is the only place that they can talk about leftism, unless you're in a big city or at a university

Liam Myers
Liam Myers

a lot of them are just turning into armchairs.
cause most of us don't live in France you fucking brainlet

Christian Johnson
Christian Johnson

I'm not stopping being an ML, I'm an ML because of the theory and the fact the USSR, China and other nations proved it can work. I said I'm getting turned off the marxist *movement* not marxism.

Jayden Mitchell
Jayden Mitchell

university
Good luck with that. Almost everyone are fedora tipping Sargonites these days.

Luke Hall
Luke Hall

Also
And all these fucking post-colonial gender materialist marxist wokesists will throw their lot behind ANY movement in the third world or random black riot
Nobody in this or the last thread mentioned ANY OF THIS. You're clearly a false flag shill from /pol/ or some other right wing shithole. Also, why the fuck do you go on twitter you braindead troglodye?

Alexander James
Alexander James

I'm not talking about here, lefty/pol has actually been quite good with it. I'm talking about twitter and other places.

Sebastian Baker
Sebastian Baker

What you read online isn't indicative of the Marxist movements, it's like when I say dumb shit, it doesn't mean I represent all the ancoms.

Parker Adams
Parker Adams

Lol dude this is 68 all over again. Nothing is going to come of it. It's just the simple truth.

Isaac Cooper
Isaac Cooper

This entirely depends on the part of the country and the location that the university is in.

Ian Roberts
Ian Roberts

again
I'm talking about twitter and other places.
why the F*CK are you using Tw*tter and other social media as a barometer for anything? Those are increasingly authoritarian shitholes whose algorithms and admins are limiting the range of opinion. OF COURSE it's reactionary nonsense and controlled opposition

Christopher Reyes
Christopher Reyes

THAT'S WHAT A FUCKING VANGUARD IS FOR, TO MAKE IT MARXIST

Not going to happen. Never going to happen. In fact, there's already a right vanguard that is injecting the the protests with anti-immigrant sentiment now.

Matthew Moore
Matthew Moore

a right vanguard
You don't know what a vanguard is if you think that the right has a vanguard right now

Joshua Thompson
Joshua Thompson

It never will with that attitude. That's what I'm saying. How do you know in advance whether the flame will be lit? You don't. Revolution is what you make it, sitting around waiting for the perfect movement is some bullshit that will never happen. You need to organize, agitate and educate.

Logan Roberts
Logan Roberts

The right is organizing, therefore the left can't organize
Boy, you would've helped a ton during Weimar

*Leftist university, which I have the pleasure of going to, thank god. With the exception of lib idpol, most people are decently down / familiar with Marxism

Angel Gray
Angel Gray

And obviously I'm talking about being stupid and grabbing a few mates and starting a people's war in New York, obviously it has to be a mass movement otherwise you may as well not bother. I'm just saying when mass movements do happen, the left needs to be there to grab the opportunity.

Aiden Anderson
Aiden Anderson

I'm talking about being stupid and grabbing a few mates and starting a people's war in New York
Sign me up fam

Hunter Campbell
Hunter Campbell

I've yet to see the left organize in the wake of Trump, Bolsonaro, Macron, looming climate disaster and so on.

How long do I need to keep waiting?

Logan Foster
Logan Foster

Why are YOU waiting? Get out and advocate for the change you want to see. It's a stupid platitude but I truly believe it. I'm currently looking for something to join myself

Dylan Fisher
Dylan Fisher

Regardless of what some isolated demonstrators say, expressing their frustration in a disorganized way to cameras in search of shock statements, the movement has been built around a Poujadist discourse of protest against “taxes” and “dues” that “suffocate the people”, which is far from being a class struggle (and contrary to what is claimed, nearly 70% of the price increase comes from oil price fluctuations and not from a deliberate state policy).

Wanting to deny the obvious and invent new allies to enlarge the ranks of the “revolting people”, leftists imagine that they share at least a common enemy with yellow vests: the capitalists or, failing that, “the rich”. But how can we claim that this movement is opposed to the bourgeoisie when it carefully avoids attacking the hotspots of the economy in order to organize empty marches towards the town halls where local elected officials are symbolically vilified?

Wyatt Parker
Wyatt Parker

It's a march against Macron and the undemocratic methods of the 5th republic.
A victory on the side of democracy, regardless of its side effects, is always a win for the left.

Jackson Taylor
Jackson Taylor

I've yet to see the left organize in the wake of Trump, Bolsonaro, Macron, looming climate disaster and so on.
People are organizing, the problem isn't lack of enthusiasm, but rather the forces of capital being stronger than ever.

Easton Stewart
Easton Stewart

Are you fucking high? Everyone always claims they're fighting for democracy. Whether or not they actually are is a different matter. And what victory? Nothing has fucking happened yet.

Owen Nguyen
Owen Nguyen

Democracy is the gauge of the maturity of the working class. The more power to the people, the better

Daniel Fisher
Daniel Fisher

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Gabriel Rivera
Gabriel Rivera

You're just spouting platitudes. Nothing you say is actually related to what's going on.

Caleb Jenkins
Caleb Jenkins

Watch, nothing good will happen. Then you'll figure out some way to blame the ☭TANKIE☭s.

Eli Walker
Eli Walker

Shut the fuck up, liberal

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Jacob Thomas
Jacob Thomas

Apparently the revolution will happen if we just shitpost and meme enough.

Nicholas Baker
Nicholas Baker

Reactionary riots that will only serve to give Le Pen power after the military decides to do a military coup on Jvypiter
France descends into a shithole of reaction along with the rest of europe.
After 20 years, centrists will take power again.
Rense and Repeat.

It's all so tiresome, but also hilarious. Class consciousness is dead mates.

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Adam Scott
Adam Scott

you're the one jumping to conclusions as to whether or not this movement will actually end in democracy

Kevin Hill
Kevin Hill

1789 began because of the rising cost of bread.
It look likes you don't want a revolution to actually take place.
You are either a fascist who wants the left to fail if a pseudo-revolutionary armchair "Marxist".
Either way you're irrelevant and your kind will be quickly forgotten by history.

Lucas Kelly
Lucas Kelly

I'm not French and there's nothing for me to do. I'd be on the streets if I lived there. It's just an imageboard, I'm gonna have fun

Ryan Ross
Ryan Ross

if
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Camden Jackson
Camden Jackson

It's funny because pretty much exactly how /pol/ boomers think politics works

Daniel Ortiz
Daniel Ortiz

Is anyone else actually inspired by this. I've been feeling pessimistic recently, but just seeing the French in revolt is giving me hope. Let's hope this goes somewhere.

Luke Ross
Luke Ross

Reactionary riots
so one Le Pen lip service and a white nationalist flag = reactionary riots
vs tons of Stalinist graffiti and banners
ok

Anthony Miller
Anthony Miller

All pretty based. Even if this doesn’t result in anything more than the rolling back of austerity, communists need to be on board. These demands will objectively improve the conditions of French workers, and if communists play a major role in bringing them about then it will prove that we’re are servants and fighters for the working class.

Grayson Turner
Grayson Turner

Also a fash got K.O.'d like a cartoon character

Eli Bailey
Eli Bailey

I haven't made any conclusion about that at all. Can you at least admit that shouting "VICTORY!!!" when there have been barely any developments is fucking infantile and harmful?

1789 began because of the rising cost of bread.
Is this what passes for historical analysis with you? All you have to do is implicate some kind of vague analogy and thus your point (fling reason aside and just GET HYPED ABOUT YET ANOTHER DISORGANIZED RIOT) is proven?

What really amazes me is that you faggots never get excited about real working class organization. There's a massive strike ongoing in India right now, why doesn't that have a cycle thread?

Charles Perry
Charles Perry

A lot of words to say absolutely nothing of value. The fuel tax hurts workers who are dependent on their cars to commute to work, since public transportation has become totally inadequate. This is yet another attack on workers by Macron, after years of austerity and tax cuts to the bourgeoisie. It is completely undeniable that this is an example of class struggle, and it is clear to see that you have no idea of what class struggle is. The left is not "allying" themselves with the yellow vests, nor are we "enlarging the ranks of the 'revolting people'". They are workers, plain and simple, and whether you like it or not they are the only ones who can make the revolution happen.

Joseph Jones
Joseph Jones

Same here. There was a great article on the WSWS that got me pumped up too

wsws.org/en/articles/2018/12/03/pers-d03.html

Evan Walker
Evan Walker

I didn't shout "VICTORY" you illiterate retard. I simply said that any change resulting in Democratic reforms is a leftist victory, since the working class is inherently a majority.

Cameron Adams
Cameron Adams

There's a massive strike ongoing in India right now, why doesn't that have a cycle thread?
Because while we have at least two French posters we have no Indian posters you fucking retard.

Jonathan Carter
Jonathan Carter

idk make one

Jace Turner
Jace Turner

French speaking anons should immediately start putting together images and memes promoting solidarity between the Yellow Vests and the striking Indian workers, then spread them across the French internet.

Robert Flores
Robert Flores

What really amazes me is that you faggots never get excited about real working class organization. There's a massive strike ongoing in India right now, why doesn't that have a cycle thread
because the outcome of that doesn't affect English-speakers nearly as much. what happens in France will impact what happens in the rest of the western world.

Isaac Lee
Isaac Lee

What really amazes me is that you faggots never get excited about real working class organization.
Thread is about about an instance of actual organic working class organization
Literally what fucking thread do you think you're in you hypocritical bastard?

Benjamin Evans
Benjamin Evans

the movement has been built around a Poujadist discourse of protest against “taxes” and “dues” that “suffocate the people”, which is far from being a class struggle
Ah, but you aren't really there, right? Neither am I, I live in a different country. You are not on the streets talking with them, you are looking into the fun-house mirror that is mainstream media, and so do I. But I also check leftwing "extremist" blogs. And on the radio and on TV, it's like you say, the reports are that they are against taxes. It's the non-mainstream sources that mention that Macron also lowered the taxes for the rich just before this tax raise on diesel.
You believe Macron is for proportional representation and referenda?

Jaxon Howard
Jaxon Howard

To add to my initial post: France is also in close proximity to a good number of other anons, and is within a cheap flight's distance of the USA. It's also covered on Euro news. Nobody here knows the first thing about India beyond Kerala and the reformer/Maoist conflict. It's like suggesting a cyclical for the protests and arrests of communists in China.

Josiah Watson
Josiah Watson

Why don't you make that thread yourself?
I know : because you don't actually care about worker's mass movement throughout the world, you only care about feeling smug and superiro on the internet. You are worthless to anyone and to any meaningful cause.

Carter Stewart
Carter Stewart

working people coming out in droves to protest former investment banker president who shits on the working class daily
Zig Forums fighting among themselves and screaming about "MUH POUJADE" "MUH ONE CELTIC CROSS"
Perfect…

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Anthony Butler
Anthony Butler

All you have to do is implicate some kind of vague analogy and thus your point (fling reason aside and just GET HYPED ABOUT YET ANOTHER DISORGANIZED RIOT) is proven?
This is far from a 'vague analogy', retard. It's a very clear parallel. All prior revolutions have begun with moment very much like this, and it's not at all wrong to say that this is a potentially revolutionary situation.
real working class
Alright this fucking triggers me. The yellow vests ARE working class. This is undeniable. You can't pick and choose who gets to be "real workers".

Angel Martin
Angel Martin

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_India This is a good idea even if this connections isn't as strong as in some of the other French Colonies and India, unlike many African Nations isn't directly affected by the French Politics.

Parker Harris
Parker Harris

cheap flight's
Fuck I'm retarded. I had to delete an apostrophe from "anons" too. I think I've got a mild addiction to butcher's apostrophes.

Josiah Morales
Josiah Morales

Yeah, truly a bunch of LARPers out there spraying edgy ☭TANKIE☭ shit is going to show that this isn't going to be taken over by Le Pen. Meanwhile in reality she has the highest approval rating of every single leader in France at around 27%.
European nations are electing far right representatives from the west to the east. The only place that has immunized themselves from this is the UK due to Corbyn.

Dominic Taylor
Dominic Taylor

rating of every single leader in France at around 27%.
Lol

James Taylor
James Taylor

27%
PACK IT UP GUYS, THE FASCISTS HAVE WON!

Julian Rodriguez
Julian Rodriguez

she's a neoliberal, even if she wins she'll just generate more discontent, then she'll be a neoliberal stuck in a democracy that's dying of neliberalism.

Daniel Wright
Daniel Wright

Van drivers are petit-bourg, they own their own vans :^)

Gavin Reyes
Gavin Reyes

Kinda goes to shows the even Le Pen is considered part of the establishment.

Of course this goes for Melenchon too.

Owen Lewis
Owen Lewis

Western conditions are better than people on here want to admit. Looking at the US, and nobody's gonna like this, local Dem-Cop organization has been increasingly radical: renter's strikes across the west coast, unionization of big-name service industries, supposedly (this is what my DemCop guy tells me at least) increasing class consciousness and talks of organizing an Amazon strike, the teacher's strike of last summer, whose lackluster result is posing to strike another wave, militant neo-black panther parties popping up across the south, the accelerating popularity of Commune mag and The Black Socialists, there are now socialist / John Brown gun clubs in every single state. And, everyone here's really gonna hate this, as much as we like to shit talk AOC, her push for a "Green New Deal" has stolen the spotlight away from regular bougie Dems and is causing splitting in the party.

In France, we'll have to look for Melenchon's take on the protests, as well as how Unions will stay involved. But, in Britain, this time next week Corbyn might be P-fuckin-M. Let's also not forget that Corbyn was a guest of honor at AMLO's inauguration.

Lastly, if you spend time on actual youth sites: i.e, Instagram & Tumblr, not halfchan or Twitter, there's pretty considerable support for leftism, with left instagrams racking in thousands upon thousands of followers. (One Leninist shitposter I follow, who can't be older than like 16, gained 3k followers last week alone.) This one figure seems small by itself, but then you realize there are countless other accounts just like it. There was a mediocre article about it on Vice just last week, but the fact they felt the need to talk about it signals the greater trend: vice.com/en_au/article/ev3vgz/the-socialist-memelords-radicalizing-instagram
Even if it's heavily infested with lib idpol, non-right wing under-20s are damn radical. This is, again, the part of the good of having AOC in congress.

Conditions are good, or, at least, better than they've been since 2008. Have hope comrade.

Samuel Lopez
Samuel Lopez

WHAT CHANGE? Are you living in a fantasy land? Nothing has changed! Even if you do think that these protests are a positive development, if you were earnest about it, you'd be trying to be realistic and strategic about it. Instead I see a demand for complete dogmatic faith in this protest, and why this one out of all the ones that happen, who knows (it's media hype, suspicious in itself)!

The fact that anons ITT are being so dogmatic and idealistic for these protests pushes me further in my skepticism about it. Nothing good can come from such idiocy, if supporters' argument is "shut up you're stopping the revolution," no different than countless brainfucked Occupy failures, that's a bad fucking sign.
It all just looks plain fake. Why does every fake movement have a single slogan/image and no leadership or comprehensive literature? White Helmets, Umbrella Revolution, Euromaidan, Occupy, Color Revolutions, Yellow Vests. Why are there dudes doing photo ops throwing flowers at cops? Why are cops so sympathetic? Why are Nazis ALLOWED to mingle? Why is the reason for the protests starting so stupid?
Even if you think it's the start of something real, you need to be critical. Even a genuine protest movement is going to be quickly inundated with spies and fakes, look what Black Lives Matter did to the genuine Ferguson uprising. So fight the fakes! Shit does NOT happen in the span of weeks or even months, it takes years to build a real revolutionary movement.
So fucking stop with the childish bullshit.

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Nathan Perez
Nathan Perez

Van drivers are petit-bourg
Yes, because the yellow vests are all van drivers. are you fucking high? By the way, van drivers don't all own their own vans, that's just a lie.

Joseph Lopez
Joseph Lopez

If the left can't co-opt this, it should take part anyway in order to further destabilize the EU. France being economically out of action for a long duration will put a serious strain on Germany and further enable a British complete Brexit.

Oliver Reyes
Oliver Reyes

literally nothing that happens here as any impact on the movement, besides myself there are two other French speakers, and I'm just a Haitian who lives in fucking America. stop being so dramatic.

William Thompson
William Thompson

she has the highest approval rating of every single leader in France at around 27%

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Luis Gonzalez
Luis Gonzalez

If only there was some way for you to find out about all of this, if only you could access the previous thread. If only Zig Forums had some sort of display of all the threads currently on leftypol, a "catalog" if you will.

Jack Rivera
Jack Rivera

What if it leads to a fascist coup? A lot of good that "destabilization" will do communists.

Carson Walker
Carson Walker

Oh, and let's not forget that Sanders and Varoufakis are launching a new "Progressive" international. Varoufakis, of course, being the common thread among most western leftist movements.

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Owen Bailey
Owen Bailey

The movement has clearly had an impact on the frenzied opportunists ITT, if that's how they act when they're talking about events in France, then they're certainly going to be ten times worse when they're "organizing" in their home country. Bad analysis is always bad.

Grayson Gutierrez
Grayson Gutierrez

You mean the thing the pontificating leftists are enabling by not engaging with it? If leftists are there to keep fascists out, all it serves to do is destabilize (as long as it attempts to remain apolitical, that is, if it starts to look for political alternatives then it's obviously advantageous to have leftists on site).

Bentley Wright
Bentley Wright

Stop LARPing, there’s not going to be a “fascist coup”, especially since there are no fucking stormtroopers and fascist marches in the streets

Isaac Gray
Isaac Gray

there's no analysis to be made here, we have almost no information so far.
everything in here is just going to be conjecture for now.

Anthony Gutierrez
Anthony Gutierrez

Great to have our own version of the Koch Brothers, the cuck brothers.

Ayden Watson
Ayden Watson

What if it leads to a fascist coup?
If there was a fascist coup, wouldn't you want communists to be mobilised? No of course not, they should just sit in their armchairs and do nothing, I guess. Burgers have the shittiest fucking takes, my god.

Justin Perez
Justin Perez

there's no analysis to be made here, we have almost no information so far.
Fair point! So clearly yelling about how BASED and VICTORIOUS the protests are is counterproductive.

Nathan Wright
Nathan Wright

you have no idea what fascism means or what coup means

Henry Hernandez
Henry Hernandez

High approval rating
27%
Not even true. A literal trot is more popular than her.

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Adam Rodriguez
Adam Rodriguez

They are based though, you fucking faggot.

Austin Cox
Austin Cox

This is quite honestly one of the worst threads I’ve seen on this board and half of the takes are literally nuclear, what the fuck is going on?

Alexander Perez
Alexander Perez

now you're just making me repeat myself

Zachary Diaz
Zachary Diaz

do nothing
Could lead to a fascist coup.
do something
May or may not lead to a fascist coup but at least the left will be mobilized and it may go the other way.

Jason Foster
Jason Foster

Have you even read the previous thread on this? Or are you just spewing your misinformed opinions like the rest of the faggots here.

Logan Jenkins
Logan Jenkins

that discrepancy
holy shit polls are garbage

Michael Barnes
Michael Barnes

It's typically bad tbh. Makes me glad all the decent posters logged off and presumably went to organise irl.

Logan Cooper
Logan Cooper

Maybe I’m getting too old for this place. Organizing would be a better use of my time. I’ve been hanging out on /marx/ more often too lately

Zachary Parker
Zachary Parker

what if I told you there's a way you can get more information on what's going on?

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Xavier Bell
Xavier Bell

You mean the thing the pontificating leftists are enabling by not engaging with it?
These "armchairs" you hate so much are simply saying we need a party. Is there a party in France? How good is it? Is it big? If not, on what level is it supposed to "engage?" Lenin advocated organizing around a newspaper and propaganda in general specifically because it was a method of organizing that could be conducted both during big protests and big lulls. Newspapers are clearly outdated, but the principle remains intact: spontaneous and momentary protests might "win the battle" sometimes, but they can't "win the war."

Christopher Foster
Christopher Foster

For some reason there's a lot of retards talking against this protest, but I have the feeling they are not the local armchair gang.

Camden Rodriguez
Camden Rodriguez

user I'm not learning fucking French.

Andrew Cruz
Andrew Cruz

As usual with decaying imageboards that attained some reputation, a lot of the posters now are redditors who want to be able to feel cool when talking about the place elsewhere, despite it being passed its heyday.

Oliver Reyes
Oliver Reyes

Shit does NOT happen in the span of weeks

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James Howard
James Howard

This is also why approval ratings for individuals are pretty shit. Regardless: one of the most popular men in french politics is a trotskyite postman.

Carter Jones
Carter Jones

French is as easy as it gets

Jason Sanders
Jason Sanders

These "armchairs" you hate so much are simply saying we need a party
The CGT is literally organising a general strike. Pretty much every socialist org in France is throwing their support behind the movement. You have no idea what's going on.

Camden Miller
Camden Miller

Not that guy l but, Spanish is as easy as it gets. However learning languages it almost impossible for me.

Joshua Brown
Joshua Brown

twitter.com/Brevesdepresse/status/1070033682231123970?s=19
Macron has to flee his own people now lmfao
As a frenchman I'm amazed this guy wants to BOTH enact neoliberal criminal reforms and drive poorer people to suicide AND be a liked and popular man.
Can't he see the obvious contradiction?

Adrian Foster
Adrian Foster

Spanish is definitely easier pronunciation wise. I took both on and off in high school but was always shit at pronouncing French. Fucking nasal vowels

Andrew Adams
Andrew Adams

centrists aren't very smart user

Gabriel Johnson
Gabriel Johnson

Any info you can tell us about the protests? Vibes or general atmosphere, or just stuff that isn't getting onto English reports?

Benjamin Cooper
Benjamin Cooper

Protests are clashing with cops but there are yellow vests that still are sympathetic with police forces. High schools are being shut down by the pupils and cops are gasing them too.
General atmosphere is that nobody knows where this is going and how far can this go, I think the central power is highly preoccupied this will get out of hand and it definitely can.

Ryder Bell
Ryder Bell

*laughs in verb conjugation*

Aiden Long
Aiden Long

English outlets are pretty attached to the Mai 68 graffiti on the Arc. Is May 68 rhetoric as empty as, say, hippy and Occupy rhetoric is here in the US, or does it actually reflect a general feeling of wanting to return to radical politics?

Luke Green
Luke Green

Yeah, the Russian revolution literally just took a week. You're a genius.

John Ortiz
John Ortiz

Screen cap this. That bonaparte heir will set up his own party in the next presidential election promising stability and then he'll get elected because of name recognition and then he'll coup his own government with the military and set up a bonapartist dictatorsh-… oh, wait, didn't this happen before?

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Bentley Nelson
Bentley Nelson

no fascist coup ever happened cause of a literal paramilitary coup. hitler and mussolini used their paramilitaries for political theater to hide the fact that they negotiated with their respective elites to hand over power to their persons in exchange for being good bois for the porky

Aaron Murphy
Aaron Murphy

May 68 is a complex and mixed bag. Maybe I should make a video and explain the historical event in-depth but there are a few key points
May 68 started as a worker movement but a few key student figures hijacked into a liberal counter-revolution
Most younger people today didn't see May 68 and have either no clue about it or a romanticized/demonized vision of it
Older folks are either critical of it because May 68 is pretty much when the left abandoned the working-class in France and embraced neoliberalism or think it was the "good old times" because there was a genuine potential for revolution
If you see people having a very simple view of that period, they're probably not worth listening to.

Jayden Barnes
Jayden Barnes

Paris Commune 2.0 soon

James Rivera
James Rivera

and then he'll get elected because of name recognition
you don't know shit about France. if this ever happened it would be because of a 90% abstention, and there'd be a literal revolution the day after while his brains would be scattered on the pavement. this will NEVER happen.
I'm not even saying it would end up as a socialist revolution. but monarchy is never coming back.

Easton Parker
Easton Parker

I'm like 99% sure he was making a joke

Dominic Foster
Dominic Foster

Word. Last question, has Melenchon responded to any of the events yet? Do you think there's potential for him to change the direction of there protests?
Thanks for all this, btw

Brayden White
Brayden White

Not the guy you're quoting but some jokes about my country being made are cringy as fuck.

Joseph Lopez
Joseph Lopez

Please do make a video.
Too many peoplehave misconceptions about May 68, I would make one but my English is too shitty and I don't have any editing skills.

David Cruz
David Cruz

I get how you feel, I have to hear Europeans think like they know America every single day. It's probably worse in your direction though

Anthony Reyes
Anthony Reyes

Yes but he's kinda out of his depth. He's the most solid leader of the left right now, I'll give you this but most people on the left think he should step back and let the youth take over. Still, I supported Mélenchon in the last election and while he has flaws, he definitely did a lot for the left and it's "hip" for radicals to bash him.

Will do tomorrow most likely, stay tuned.

Jayden Jackson
Jayden Jackson

Lenin btfo

Nathaniel Baker
Nathaniel Baker

Will do tomorrow most likely, stay tuned.
What's your channel

Brody Myers
Brody Myers

How about you actually read Lenin instead of relying on fucking AZQuotes for your theory like you're a Facebook boomer?

Anthony Bennett
Anthony Bennett

I'll post the vid here, there is nothing on my channel atm but the first part of a Dark Souls level 1 run i started two days ago lol

Caleb Harris
Caleb Harris

I mean, is anything Europeans say wrong?
most of us are fat as fuck, blindly follow imperialist propaganda, and got shitty education.
if it weren't were for shit like YouTube, /lit/, /g/, and Zig Forums I'd probably be retarded and obese as fuck.

Nicholas Harris
Nicholas Harris

you don't know shit about France.
I've read a modest amount of french history. Napoleon III was elected with an overwhelming majority based on name recognition alone in 1848
and there'd be a literal revolution the day
hopefully nowadays, sure. but a eerily similar scenario led to the establishment of the "monarchical" fifth republic under De Gaulle's hand due to a soft military coup planned from Algeria. I agree that monarchy will never come back there's a french tradition of statist authoritarianism whose precedents stretch back to the old regime and the various monarchical regimes that came after

Benjamin Peterson
Benjamin Peterson

<I have to hear Europeans think like they know America every single day
implying the case isn't the same for Euros having to listen to shit American takes
implying Euros aren't assaulted with American politics 24/7
implying Americans hear anything more intelligent than "FRANCE AND UK ARE NO GO ZONES" before letting us hear their opinions

Daniel Allen
Daniel Allen

Yeah that is what I'm getting at, sure. Fucking moron, do not handwave this shit. It isn't THE revolution, but this is a real fucking chance for something to be built.

Cameron Scott
Cameron Scott

That's why I said
<It's probably worse in your direction though

Ryan Gonzalez
Ryan Gonzalez

I am a facebook boomer and I will never stop using the search function on AZQuotes to justify my viewpoints retroactively.

Adam Allen
Adam Allen

I think I need to drink less coffee as that didn't even register in my mind.

Jaxon Morris
Jaxon Morris

I do that all the time, no worries. I used to fall for the /pol/ memes on Europe and non-whites until I actually traveled to some European cities. Made me realize how much bullshit I was taking in

Wyatt Foster
Wyatt Foster

Sad so sad but true

Christian Phillips
Christian Phillips

twitter.com/nicolasgregoire/status/1070043795478204422
Cop violence

Carter Carter
Carter Carter

I don't know who the fuck to believe anymore. If it ends up with reactionaries gaining power then it's just all the more reason to take the leftist blackpill

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Owen Sullivan
Owen Sullivan

Fucking pigs

Dylan Rogers
Dylan Rogers

what the fucks up with all these Librulz ITT calling this protest Natzi?
From what I've seen the protests have got no stated ideological position and the only evidence of Nazi's even being there was that one banner that guy unfurled and got ripped out of his hands afterwords

Oliver Bennett
Oliver Bennett

ACAB

Alexander King
Alexander King

Fascists have never gained power from a popular revolt directly.

Isaac Gray
Isaac Gray

If you want to give up, just give up and don't pin the responsibility on other movements. This is infantile behaviour.

Daniel Long
Daniel Long

Instagram & Tumblr
vice
I got some nice positive vibes from your post. HIV positive.
Why is the reason for the protests starting so stupid?
Let them commute with jetpacks.

Btw. what happened to Nuit debout?

Charles Smith
Charles Smith

Look as embarrassing as it looks, this is what young people look at and engage with. Knowing that the up and coming youth are being radicalized is, at least for me, comforting.

Adam Nguyen
Adam Nguyen

falling for the defeatism meme
Life is no fun if you don't keep struggling. You have to assert a priori that there's always hope.

Ian Peterson
Ian Peterson

No no no, the only valid left wing means of communication are letters whose paper has been artificially yellowed so it looks older, written in a cursive no one can decipher.

Ethan Phillips
Ethan Phillips

twitter.com/Newbieur/status/1069738114820775936
Cops attacking kids

Nolan Turner
Nolan Turner

Interesting point.

Josiah Hall
Josiah Hall

Only pamphlets and newspapers
We Trotskyists now

Thomas Gray
Thomas Gray

The Pseudo left is a big problem. The only org I see denouncing them on the regular is WSWS.
there's already a right vanguard that is injecting the the protests with anti-immigrant sentiment now.
The demands by the protestors are mostly calls for direct democracy and reversal of austerity. If doing that requires a reduction in Immigration, that’s fine because it’ll reduce Imperialism which will help people in the Third World a lot more than shoving them into some random city in Europe.

Juan Lopez
Juan Lopez

So how is it going? Media is burying it, here.

Hudson Wright
Hudson Wright

France has Nukes, India doesn’t. A socialist France could occupy half of Africa and force Socialism there Eastern Europe Style, Indian can’t.

Jacob Gutierrez
Jacob Gutierrez

they are literally the peace police dude.
If I'm to understand certain perspectives on May 68, the CGT actually derailed the whole thing by keeping workers inside Sud Aviation (I think that was the factory) and not letting them fraternize with the others (students, other (wildcat!) workers, etc).

Noah White
Noah White

India has nukes though

Elijah Myers
Elijah Myers

France has Nukes, India doesn’t
India does have nukes

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Ayden Powell
Ayden Powell

This strike got so big because the yellow vest is an independent movement not under the control of trade unions. Its very telling that most "leftist" organization including Melenchon's party didn't support the strike in its initial stages and are now trying to actively sabotage these strikes. The strikers need to be supported but the unions must be opposed.

Austin Cooper
Austin Cooper

They want revolution, but only if its *their* revolution.

Michael Ward
Michael Ward

Here's an Antifa-type blog saying the yellow vests are fascists because they're opposing environmental regulations; and also some of them reported a truck full of illegal immigrants to the cops.

lite.crimethinc.com/2018/11/27/the-yellow-vest-movement-in-france-between-ecological-neoliberalism-and-apolitical-movement

They link to an upper-class NGO-funded green movement in England as an example of "proper leftist behavior".

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John Taylor
John Taylor

It's fucking stupid. There are right-wing elements in the yellow vest but applying any ideological framework on what is a protest for basic survival is silly beyond words.

Elijah Ross
Elijah Ross

Yeah but they're not opposing environmental regulations, they're opposing being TAXED FOR THE PRIVILEGE TO WORK while corporations pay fuck all. They even have a list of green demands on their website.

Anthony Bell
Anthony Bell

Naah dude, they just LOVE emitting greenhouse effect gases, those evil neoliberal apolitic right wing scum, just read my blog i have tons of cool opinions about shit i obviously don't know!

Brody Campbell
Brody Campbell

#KillAllCops
Pseudo leftists need to leave

Luke Torres
Luke Torres

Yeah dude, *smokes blunt*, these imperialist core workers, being angry because they need fuel…to do work…NOW WHERE'S NOW MY FUCKING NEW BONG AND 3-PRONGED DILDO FROM AMAZON THE TRUCK DRIVER SAID HE'D DELIVER IT TODAY!

Carson Murphy
Carson Murphy

ITT
Also OC

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Jace Mitchell
Jace Mitchell

I mean what do these "anti-consumption duuuude" eco-nuts think they want the fucking fuel for, to drink it?

Mason Morgan
Mason Morgan

What can a foreigner do to help the yellow vests? I'm in the north of England and I don't speak French, is there anything I can do or am I doomed to watch from the sidelines?

Carson Brooks
Carson Brooks

Also wondering about this. All I can do right now is just try to convince people around me that there's serious potential for good in these protests / state that there's nothing wrong with rioting

Xavier Cruz
Xavier Cruz

I don't think there's jack shit we can do mate.

Jace Morales
Jace Morales

*ahem*

Tyler Hernandez
Tyler Hernandez

I think that until they form into an actual organization that you could send money or supplies to then there’s not much. Unless you want to go to France and help out in person that is.

Christopher Peterson
Christopher Peterson

what did he mean by this

Landon Lopez
Landon Lopez

Its very telling that most "leftist" organization including Melenchon's party didn't support the strike in its initial stages
and? Stalin and Kamenev also advocated working with the provisional government until Lenin showed up at the Finland Station and btfo'd their arguments. People make mistakes

Anthony Phillips
Anthony Phillips

FUCK NEOLIBBERS

Ethan Gonzalez
Ethan Gonzalez

Fly over and start handing out red flags

Brody Gutierrez
Brody Gutierrez

I've been living in Leeds for a while :)
As to what you can do, I think the best thing would be mostly confined to social media until similar movements erupt in the UK.

Ethan Barnes
Ethan Barnes

There’s yellow vest protests in Belgium and Netherlands. Spread that shit to England.

Jason Lewis
Jason Lewis

it never ceases to amaze that people associate italian/bordigist leftcom with 'left wing communism:and infantile disorder' rather than the sort of dutch leftcom/council com things it was aimed at. you never see pannekoek baby edits.
polite sage for off topic

Jacob Sanders
Jacob Sanders

Stalin and Kamenev
Theres your problem

Chase Price
Chase Price

The problem with bringing it to England is if we cause the government to collapse Labour would have to deal with Brexit.

Nolan Moore
Nolan Moore

71% of INDUSTRIAL emissions you retard

Parker King
Parker King

The Bordiga = armchair shit comes from his opposition to activism (I haven't read his work so I don't know how legit this critique is), not anything Lenin wrote in LWC I think.

Lucas Torres
Lucas Torres

The Koch Bros actually oppose Trump's tariff and immigration policies.

Less immigration increases the value of Western pleb labor; which is raycis - because it means 3rd-world proles don't have access to Western jobs. Tariffs are raycis because they prevent non-Western corporations from making more money.

Trump is NazBol by comparison.

politico.com/story/2018/06/19/koch-libre-against-house-immigration-bills-654201

usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/06/04/koch-brothers-network-spend-millions-oppose-trump-tariffs/669764002/

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Benjamin Rivera
Benjamin Rivera

The joke is that they're trying to influence politics but are shit. Sanders is only concerned good because America is a cesspit.

Jaxon Anderson
Jaxon Anderson

I think I'm going to filter out your flag.

Gabriel Jenkins
Gabriel Jenkins

Macron has offered a concession, it isn't going to be bought. The CGT are launching a sympathy strike on the 14th. Fuck knows what happens now.

Caleb Sullivan
Caleb Sullivan

what are memes?

Henry Ward
Henry Ward

Run interference on social media against the cocksuckers demanding that it stops and everyone go home.
That's about it. It's more of a mental exercise than anything because social media in english won't hurt or help the movement.

Christian Morris
Christian Morris

A complete waste of bandwidth unless they actually provide interesting points, which wasn't the case.

Isaiah Young
Isaiah Young

Not him but memes can be great. The caveat is that they have to be simple and require little explanation as to their meaning.
That image posted ain't it.

Lucas Perez
Lucas Perez

Supporting Social-Imperialism
Read Hoxha

James Cook
James Cook

Bordiga’s whole opposition towards activism is basically him saying that theory comes before action and not the other way around. When bourgeois society is disintegrating, you cannot merely try to disintegrate it further (what Bordiga calls activism), but you must work in accordance with a revolutionary Marxist theory. Without doing this, bourgeois society will never be fully overcome, it will disintegrate, but then build itself up again on different lines.

Hunter Jackson
Hunter Jackson

I've never been even remotely amused by some really tired memes overused here, like Stirner spooky shit, nazbol garbage etc.

Logan Lewis
Logan Lewis

Hot-takes

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Elijah Jackson
Elijah Jackson

raises the price of energy for responsible countries while whitewashing some of the worst polluters in the world
[other countries] shouldn't pay to clean up other countries' pollution
I agree. Time for sanctions on America.

Logan Cooper
Logan Cooper

But they're effective, one way or another they convey an idea simple and effectively.

Thomas Parker
Thomas Parker

everyone who doesn't support this is a piece of shit

Jordan Baker
Jordan Baker

everyone who supports this is a piece of shit

Alexander White
Alexander White

The sentiment is dumb, but-
Is the support really a bad thing? Or is this an attempt to disarm the movement by associating it with him?

Landon Sullivan
Landon Sullivan

seriousy though, when is this going to happen? should I be worried as an American?

Parker Morgan
Parker Morgan

Nobody is calling for sanctions on America because they're utterly cucked by NATO.

Ayden Cook
Ayden Cook

The left should really start using the "third world nations are the worst polluters" line as a call for a radical increase in developmental aid.

Luke Foster
Luke Foster

Is the support really a bad thing
If Trump is “supporting” you, there’s obviously some sort of egoistic motive or underhanded reasoj

Christopher Price
Christopher Price

Lets be real, any anti-cap/american policy that manifests itself globally wont be present in any of our lifetimes

Oliver Diaz
Oliver Diaz

seriousy though, when is this going to happen?
This makes the assumption that the globalists are not also capitalists.
It won't ever happen because they profit too much from one-directional trade.

Joseph King
Joseph King

Fuck off.

Christopher Cruz
Christopher Cruz

America IS the worst polluter.

Jeremiah Martin
Jeremiah Martin

cap=american
retard

Henry Murphy
Henry Murphy

This makes the assumption that the globalists are not also capitalists.
hurr durr

Brandon Harris
Brandon Harris

On CO2 sure.

Dominic Richardson
Dominic Richardson

some sort of egoistic motive or underhanded reason

100% ego driven

Jose Ramirez
Jose Ramirez

cap != american

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Jaxon Fisher
Jaxon Fisher

capitalism without america = not capitalism

Ian Martin
Ian Martin

So what developments did we see today?

Easton Howard
Easton Howard

The government announced a six month delay on the fuel tax but I doubt merely delaying it with soothe the anger

Justin Hall
Justin Hall

People protest. You go among the people and form a revolutionary vanguard. Whether the entire protest is leftist inspired is irrelevant, if it creates enough churn for a leftist movement to seize power, that is enough.

Charles Collins
Charles Collins

Permeate Revolution = Social Imperialism

Christopher Evans
Christopher Evans

Trump is supporting Yellow Jackets to be edgy.Trump is edgy, that’s all it is.

Brody Robinson
Brody Robinson

American workers are not workers
/liberalpol/index.html

Austin Moore
Austin Moore

American leftists aren't leftists
The more realistic take.

Tyler Parker
Tyler Parker

It's a thinly veiled attempt at co-opting the message (which isn't even true, yellow jackets just don't think they should have to pay for ecology whilst firms get off scot free and contribute infinitely more whilst getting tax breaks, there's a lot of green measures in their demands) in order to propagandize against china, which is who he means when he talks about other countries pollution. Ironically ofc, it's US based multinationals that contribute a plurality of emissions.

Matthew Ward
Matthew Ward

pretty much, it's just him trying to ride off it and build off his statements last week about China and Russia being responsible for world pollution

Sebastian Wright
Sebastian Wright

seconded, when do we /internationalbrigade/

Owen Diaz
Owen Diaz

youtube.com/watch?v=ySNEBS2xR4k
VIDEO OF MACRON'S CAR BEING CHASED DOWN

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Dominic Murphy
Dominic Murphy

Especially since the list of demands posted earlier go above and beyond the original issue of the tax.

William Taylor
William Taylor

That's the problem with smashies and bomb throwing anarchists, there's never one around when you need one.

Brody Cooper
Brody Cooper

protesting is so cringe.
do zoomers unironically think this?

Carter Perez
Carter Perez

Mate he's like 40

Joshua Richardson
Joshua Richardson

unfortunately yes. it's the mindset of "the complainer is always wrong"

Connor Ramirez
Connor Ramirez

When the new party assembles, I'm not joining unless we're allowed to summarily execute people who unironically say cr*nge.

Aaron Rogers
Aaron Rogers

Nigger Keemstar is probably older than everyone on this board.

James Brooks
James Brooks

you know what I meant

Daniel Edwards
Daniel Edwards

probably meant for

Jose Powell
Jose Powell

Zoomers will change their attitude when the bulk of them are in the workforce and the next recession hits.

Eli Sanchez
Eli Sanchez

when the dip hits and workers riots are happening across the globe

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Landon Collins
Landon Collins

you underestimate their capacity for callous laziness

Ian Ward
Ian Ward

t.

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Owen Martin
Owen Martin

you do know that by "they" I was referring to the fuckong annoying zoomers, not the workforce as a whole.

Kayden Williams
Kayden Williams

You do know you sound like a boomer between 2008-2012 before they got bullied into submission?

Evan Carter
Evan Carter

boomers
submission

Easton Mitchell
Easton Mitchell

are we even having the same conversation

Jacob Taylor
Jacob Taylor

You don't see their shit takes anymore, at least nowhere near as often.
unga dunga millennialszoomers dumb
dae millennialszoomers lazy? xd
why don't millennialszoomers just GET A JOB?
You have boomerbrains.

Brody Martin
Brody Martin

tbh boomers get blamed too much in comparison to Greatest and Silent gens, those fuckers shouldn't be absolved

Jose Anderson
Jose Anderson

zoomers are callous and unwilling to act
HURF DURF UR A BOOMER
???

Benjamin Evans
Benjamin Evans

AnBoom, you're really slow in the head, like it's unbelievable how thick you are.

You sound like a whining fucking boomer talking about millennials. What part is there not to get? Do you need it to be vocaroo'd so you understand a bit better and play it back until it sinks in?

Ryder Adams
Ryder Adams

All these people bitching about Zoomers and Boomers
<Like any of that shit applies to the French generational structure
Deatlanticise your brains you dolts.

Jackson Diaz
Jackson Diaz

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Gavin Torres
Gavin Torres

young people bad
t. Anarchoboomer

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Ian Ross
Ian Ross

get all the autistic screeching out of your system, I can wait

Leo Russell
Leo Russell

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Dominic Price
Dominic Price

Nah this place was way better when it was fun. You barely ever see real new memes anymore, hoxha going bunkers, spookposting, this was all what made the board what it was when it was good

Isaac Hall
Isaac Hall

Oh I remember those days. We had catgirl drawfag and people like Rebel Absurdity. Leftypol was growing real well and we were becoming a real eyesore to the /pol/yps on Zig Forums. Then everything changed.

Hunter Taylor
Hunter Taylor

i'm still not entirely sure why you've latched onto this boomer idea, all I did was criticise teenage reactionaries

Adam Jones
Adam Jones

all I did was criticise teenage reactionaries
No you didn't, you were bitching about young people these days like an old spaz.

Thomas Rogers
Thomas Rogers

my exact words were
you underestimates (zoomer's) capacity for callous laziness
this was in reply to someone saying that they would change upon entering the workforce. my point being that they're too blind and stubborn to change that easily.

William Johnson
William Johnson

So nothing new?

Are all of our French anons out there or something?

Jaxson Perry
Jaxson Perry

lel "woke" twitter mass reported me for arguing with some Jamaican guy who calling the yellow jackets "colonialist rats". So now I'm basically banned off everything except here, simply for being a consistent ML.

Easton Edwards
Easton Edwards

Mark my words when the next recession hits they will be dabbing and flossing all over capitalism.

Austin Nelson
Austin Nelson

it's fucking 2 AM in France

Bentley Hall
Bentley Hall

Mention anything to do with leftism on 4chan - Banned.

Speak against a "woke" "POC" on twitter about how Communism is a workers movement and you should support workers - banned.

Go on reddit and mention Marxism-Leninism anywhere aside from /r/fullcommunism - banned.

Do anything IRL - imprisoned. What's the fucking point.

Camden Walker
Camden Walker

It's almost like the corporate internet has some kind of agenda.

Dominic Sanders
Dominic Sanders

Where there’s a will there’s a way.

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Colton Moore
Colton Moore

IDpolers and liberals get the wall

Jonathan Cook
Jonathan Cook

I'm still awake.

More news will come on Saturday, unlikely for major plot twists till then.
youtu.be/ySNEBS2xR4k
Macron's car getting chased by the angry mob is still entertaining to watch

Jacob Martinez
Jacob Martinez

ID pol is pretty shit, and I believe POC is a liberal slur to liberal wash minority groups. Because Liberals are self hating whites as /pol/tards are self hating minorities.

Its one of the reasons I hate neoliberalism and how its a plague on society. Reddit, Twitter, 4chan, etc. All compromised.

Also I am still banned from /r/fullcommunism because of the Whole Cat girl thing.

Connor Green
Connor Green

From what I've seen the protests have got no stated ideological position
which is liberalism, which is the left wing of fascism

Henry White
Henry White

which is liberalism
No it isn't.
which is the left wing of fascism
No it isn't.

Blake James
Blake James

How fucking stupid are you

Camden Green
Camden Green

caring about being imprisoned for your beliefs
Peak first-worldism

Sebastian Wood
Sebastian Wood

political indifference is liberalism is the "left-wing of fascism"
This is some really advanced analysis.

Joshua Ortiz
Joshua Ortiz

which is liberalism
Leaderless, "ideology free" protests are the epitome of liberalism, it's literally shouting "I agree to disagree" at the ruling class.

No it isn't.
Yes it is, liberalism always supports fascism covertly.

Carson Hill
Carson Hill

Fuck that was meant for

Noah Lopez
Noah Lopez

Found the filthy liberals.

Hudson Foster
Hudson Foster

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David Smith
David Smith

who is this keemstar person?

Justin Brown
Justin Brown

He makes youtube videos about youtube drama.

David Diaz
David Diaz

Protest is when I say this does not please me. Resistance is when I ensure what does not please me occurs no more
When do we move past stage one?

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Luke James
Luke James

youtu.be/zkQrXpeyEyQ
Thought it was relevant, the AnNarchist version of L'internationale, but it is to the tune of "Die Wacht am Rhein".

Carter Gomez
Carter Gomez

Leaderless, "ideology free" protests are the epitome of liberalism, it's literally shouting "I agree to disagree" at the ruling class.
It's called "divine violence." Benjamin wrote about it.
youtube.com/watch?v=oM6whu21efc

Alexander Price
Alexander Price

Holy shit is this entire thing Propaganda of the deed?

Juan Williams
Juan Williams

They are. That's why Macaroni capitulated and suspended the fuel tax hike. He's scared that the protests are turning into a resistance.

Wyatt Morgan
Wyatt Morgan

mods shadowbanning me
cowards
C O R P O R A T I S M E
Literally every French revolution has either been either an uprising against foreign invaders or an uprising against taxation.
GJ is an apolitical movement alltogether and every political party wants in, characterizing it as "left" or "right" is a mistake.
user how about you actually read "Si le coup de force est possible", an entire 180 degrees turn would need to happen to successfully pull that, we're still working on it, but atm any such pretensions are illusory ghost chasing. What's currently happening isn't even half of the February 1934 revival we would need.
Yeah as much as I wish NDA was more popular than Meluche, I don't think these polls are accurate at all.
B*napartistes having a chance
Ew, that's about as repugnant of an idea as Pepitism-Legitimism. The only line that deserves being reinstated is Orleans.
What the fuck user, that's completely wrong. Mai 68 was instigated by male students wanting free access to female dorms in Parisian universities, get your history right, this isn't even something controversial.
t. sweating republicuck
Oh yeah, he's been on damn every news outlet these past few days. He's behind them 100% but refuses to try and "take over" the movement or anything, instead inciting his followers to join it independently.
The CRS are notoriously overworked atm, with one basically completely losing his cool in front of cameras, whining about back-to-back shifts, unpaid overhours and basically being unable to eat/shit/piss for a few days now.
Not saying at all that it excuses the brutal violence the pigs have been dishing out, but what do you expect from stressed out glorified thugs.
2739291
Franceafrique with socialist characteristics
Please no, we need to stop Macron's buddies blatant neocolonialism, end the CFA, proceed with a sane, no strings attached Marshall plan as proposed by NDA and then mutually agree to never interfere with each other's affairs ever again.
This would also incidentally solve the migration and unemployment crisis.

Landon Cooper
Landon Cooper

You know maybe if your board didn't instaban people for no reason, you'd have more people around.

Jaxson Price
Jaxson Price

and what can we do about that?

Jaxon Ramirez
Jaxon Ramirez

Zizek brainrot
pass

Alexander Jones
Alexander Jones

Again, this board is stupidly pessimistic. At the moment the movement is a very traditional Jacquerie/Punt, demands to roll back the Macronist policies of impoverishing the French while giving tax breaks to the rich (fun fact, the amount of money generated by this new tax would more or less cover the hole left over by the annulation of a special tax on fortune companies Macron announced a few months ago).
Which political side, if any gets to profit of this is till very much in the air, but realistically, I'm betting on Mélenchon in urban communities and Le Pen in rural ones.

Jordan Sanders
Jordan Sanders

test

Levi Robinson
Levi Robinson

2739750
D- see me after class

Colton Ward
Colton Ward

I’m not French but I think Manu’s retarded if he thinks a mere delay in the fuel tax will placate anyone. That would fire me up more, personally. I hope they up the pressure on him soon

Joseph Myers
Joseph Myers

sounds gay

Zachary Thomas
Zachary Thomas

Leaderless, "ideology free" protests are the epitome of liberalism, it's literally shouting "I agree to disagree" at the ruling class.
That's not what liberalism is either. Class struggle takes on both mature (class conscious) and immature (uncoordinated lashing out against immediately percieved enemies/issues) forms. It always begins in an immature form, and through the struggle, through each victory and defeat the worker's learn to percieve their ultimate role and position in bourgeois society. The become more organized, and become conscious of the way systemic issues relate directly to immediate issues.
But with the development of industry, the proletariat not only increases in number; it becomes
concentrated in greater masses, its strength grows, and it feels that strength more. The various
interests and conditions of life within the ranks of the proletariat are more and more equalised, in
proportion as machinery obliterates all distinctions of labour, and nearly everywhere reduces
wages to the same low level. The growing competition among the bourgeois, and the resulting
commercial crises, make the wages of the workers ever more fluctuating. The increasing
improvement of machinery, ever more rapidly developing, makes their livelihood more and more
precarious; the collisions between individual workmen and individual bourgeois take more and
more the character of collisions between two classes. Thereupon, the workers begin to form
combinations (Trades’ Unions) against the bourgeois; they club together in order to keep up the
rate of wages; they found permanent associations in order to make provision beforehand for these
occasional revolts. Here and there, the contest breaks out into riots.
Now and then the workers are victorious, but only for a time. The real fruit of their battles lies, not in the immediate result, but in the ever expanding union of the workers.
t. Marx and Engels
In other words, a nascent workers movement always begin unformed and apolitical, organized around a single or several small scale issues. It is through this struggle that they can be educated to a revolutionary consciousness.
Yes it is, liberalism always supports fascism covertly.
That's objectively untrue. Even socdems in the 30s had their own anti-fascist paramilitaries and formed alliances with communists to fight fascism.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsbanner_Schwarz-Rot-Gold

Asher Carter
Asher Carter

curious the rural-urban divide. same in america, wouldn't you say? is there anything written by marxists about this?

Ayden Edwards
Ayden Edwards

I don't know about Marxists but René Rémond had a few takes in his work (The Right Wing in France: From 1815 to de Gaulle).
On a very vulgar level, it's because both FI and RN have similar policies regarding stuff rural people care about (subsidies, tariffs, etc), but Le Pen has the edge because she adds in anti-immigration rhetoric which is popular with the traditionally minded rural classes.

Alexander Sanders
Alexander Sanders

Maybe I'll do an effort post on this 2morrow because I think it's interesting analysis, but I'm off to sleep for now.

Colton Scott
Colton Scott

It’s too little to late.
leaderless movements are reactionary
Leaderness is revolutionary because it’s anti-hirearchal

Brandon Gutierrez
Brandon Gutierrez

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Nicholas Scott
Nicholas Scott

lets play croquet with the dissected testicles of the bourgs

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Jacob Bailey
Jacob Bailey

ywn watch Macron get guillotined on liveleak
Feels bad. We need to bring them back

Jeremiah Bennett
Jeremiah Bennett

Never say never ;)

Noah Sanders
Noah Sanders

Normal thread
Comfy happening and discussion with the comparison to 68
Cyclical thread
all the naysayers and whiners comes out of the woodwork
Feels bad man. Can all the pic related just fuck off already?

people should not be cautious and go all in every time someone is mad

Mention anything to do with leftism on 4chan - Banned.
Bullshit, people talk about it all the fucking time

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Charles Walker
Charles Walker

Can someone explain why this is so significant? From what I understand this was caused by diesel taxes?

Camden Martinez
Camden Martinez

it's a genuine worker's revolt, which is important to leftism.

John Baker
John Baker

It's significant because of the scale and rapid growth, and also because of the spontoneity of it. It's also branched out into a wider anti-austerity and anti-neolib movement. It's a textbook example of militant class struggle erupting spontaneously, caused by the built up tensions between the French workers and ruling class being set off by the fuel tax like a powderkeg.

Elijah Flores
Elijah Flores

Why are the French so much more class-conscious and ready to protest against the government’s bullshit than people (generally speaking) in other countries are? Most people just seem to grumble about it and take their bullshit but the French will clash with police, smash up stuff, flip cars and strike. Is it just part of the revolutionary tradition in their history? I wish America had more of this “French spirit” – funny how the “land of the free” grovels at its master’s boots

Leo Martinez
Leo Martinez

I feel like it has to do with education, they've been using the same secondary school guidelines that Napoleon first established at the beginning of the 19th century, which I'm sure he designed to be inherently revolutionary in some way.
France could really use some kind of Frankfurt School for uncovering this kind of shit.

Isaiah Campbell
Isaiah Campbell

Remember to be wary of glow-in-the-dark. I swear all these "leftists" appeared just as the protests started shifting into a higher gear. I'm not saying there are other forces at play, but its possible.

Brayden Hill
Brayden Hill

Terry Davis calls out the CIA niggers as glowing in the dark
yellow jackets are designed to glow in the dark
wake up sheeple :DD

Justin Brooks
Justin Brooks

This is true. The fascists would just be social Dems but hurt the brown people to somehow magically lower fuel prices back down. It wouldn't work. But they'd convince people it did.

Neo-liberalism fucked up. They shoulda picked the reactionary fallout speech option and blamed Saudi Arabia or something. Fuck even American Democrats are doing that now.

Instead "taxes are good goy, you have tranny bathrooms and pensions why are you complaining?"

I love it. I wish I could hear the carnage outside my window to help me sleep

Yes I'm fucking edgy. But I'm not wrong

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John Thompson
John Thompson

Oh shit it is real
theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/02/paris-riots-worst-unrest-decade-with-shops-and-cars-set-alight-gilets-jaunes

Benjamin Clark
Benjamin Clark

nice quads

Blake Anderson
Blake Anderson

I love how much crying their is from porky about muh Arc de Triomphe. Anarkiddies should keep it up

Camden Rodriguez
Camden Rodriguez

there*

Noah Hill
Noah Hill

Absolutely disgusting.

If the smashies keep this up, the people will turn against them.

Lucas Rivera
Lucas Rivera

The only form of revolution beneficial to the people is one which destroys the entire State to the roots and exterminated all the state traditions, institutions, and classes […] Our task is terrible, total, universal, and merciless destruction.

Smashies are proletarian heroes. Fuck the Arc de Triomphe – it should be transformed into the gallows for the French bourgeosie

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Anthony Gutierrez
Anthony Gutierrez

I think at this rate, if everything goes well, we will have a Velvet Revolution in at most 2 weeks. If Macron wants to stay in power, he wil try to either suspends democracy(will lead to armed revolution), or he will agree to everything(will probably lead to his party disowning him). If police escalate violence, it will lead to the more radical of the protestors to gain in prominence. The best thing to do now for Macron to resign while there is time and lick his wounds, though I doubt it will happen. It is an exciting situation, now this may be my idealist side, but I do genuinely think that this may lead to a demsoc constitution, if the left plays their cards right. If Macron tries to go JVPITER, it might even launch the communists into the spotlight.

Brandon Myers
Brandon Myers

Understand I'm talking about the people complaining about the protest as "reactionary" as glow-in-the-dark. These people just suddenly showed up to downplay the protests as "not revolutionary" or "not worth our time" when its actually the perfect conditions to organize and insert leftist ideas. I'm not saying everyone who doesn't like them is some government psyop, a lot are just "woke" twitter leftists", but something must be up because they were never this active.

Nathan Butler
Nathan Butler

Macron's party is just a hollow structure that revolves exclusively around him. He has the conservative/centrists/liberals coalized around him but his party can't disavow him, just fade into irrelevance. Hell even the initials of En Marche spell Emmanuel Macron.

Adrian Wilson
Adrian Wilson

I’m surprised the #GiletsJaunes hashtag hasn’t been nuked yet. Maybe if things get more serious

John Phillips
John Phillips

I think it is more of the party trying to save what little neoliberalism there is left. Agreeing to the demands is suicide for Macron, as the GJ already hate him, and the demands are unacceptable to centrists. If that happens, I think the party will no-confidence the government and dissolve the party or join another neolib one. Without the centrism, Macron has nothing going for him.

Ian Gomez
Ian Gomez

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Cooper Wright
Cooper Wright

Cybercampaign against corporate internet bigwigs when?

Hudson Ortiz
Hudson Ortiz

no

Thomas Richardson
Thomas Richardson

Man, you don't win people over by destroying historical artifacts.

Isaac Allen
Isaac Allen

The people will flock to the police snipers when they hear about this!

Carson Garcia
Carson Garcia

muh buildings!
muh architecture!
I’m sure everyone will support Macron and despise these evil protestors for their deeds and desire to live a better life!

Jace Wood
Jace Wood

Yes but a revolution must not benifited "everyone" but simply the Proletariate
The destruction of ALL classes and not just the Bougie's is also infantile

Owen Butler
Owen Butler

This level of Political illiteracy
Just because you have reached spookbuster level 9000 does not mean that the general (Prole) population has

Ayden Richardson
Ayden Richardson

It's Nechayev, the original retarded LARPer.
They didn't seem to really care.

Justin Jones
Justin Jones

Nechayev
LARPing
The tsar seemed to have pissed his pants pretty hard over him

Liam Long
Liam Long

Protest at banks.

Anthony Walker
Anthony Walker

I don't see how you must shit on Arc de Triomphe to own Jvpiter epic style.

Isaac Ward
Isaac Ward

Are you saying that they should protest at banks or that they are protesting at banks?

Thomas Flores
Thomas Flores

when the nominally apolitical motorist revolt is less spooked than nuleftypol

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Henry Jenkins
Henry Jenkins

I’m not going to criticize what people are doing to a piece of fucking stone shaped into an arch. If protestors want to smash it up, vandalize it or hang funging Jupiter from it and turn it into a gallows, let them

Jaxon Bailey
Jaxon Bailey

all of this butthurt over vandalism and smashies
The former /pol/yp resurfaces to masturbate over architecture and muh sculptures. It’s time for a clean slate

DESTROY THE PROPERTY OF THE BOURGEOISIE
SMASH THEIR MONUMENTS

Hudson Gray
Hudson Gray

REEEEEE THESE FUCKING COMMUNARDS ARE DESTROYING STATUES I HATE THEM

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David Fisher
David Fisher

people can't deal with fossil fuel taxes
the planet is doomed

Charles Bell
Charles Bell

So I know this may sound like a clueless burger thing but can’t you just hop on a train and go to France if you want?

Aiden Bennett
Aiden Bennett

Backing up this.
And if you try to point out that we should have done something about it, they'll get enormously defensive and butthurt, insisting that its wrong to say they should have.

Cameron Myers
Cameron Myers

In my experience they're too expensive and unreliable. Some people even fly from the North to London.

Nicholas Green
Nicholas Green

Broke: Taxes on citizens
Woke: Sanctions on America

Oliver Sanchez
Oliver Sanchez

You can tax on other more potent resources though.

Jose Hall
Jose Hall

Look, I'm usually the first on to be against smashies because their lack of direction and failure to focus on actual important infrastructure and targets, but in this situation the protesters are actually have a set of demands they want fulfilled, are targeting important state infrastructure and services by blocking things like toll-booths and highways, are pushing through police lines and disrupting attempts to suppress them, and are rapidly gaining mass through public support. The worst vandalism they've committed on historic sites is graffiti, and to my knowledge they haven't actually broken anything if that bothers you. This has actually been surprisingly coordinated, even among separate groups and is the situation the left should be seizing upon. I'm no anarchist, but even I have to concede that this is fertile ground for any leftist movement if leftists would actually act. Or at least prepare for if Macron actually steps down to with some sort of plan or rhetoric, like Jesus Christ something.

Lucas Sanders
Lucas Sanders

exactly my sentiments

Jeremiah Garcia
Jeremiah Garcia

muh horseshoe
revolutionpermanente.fr/Ce-lundi-Marine-le-Pen-se-reaffirme-contre-la-hausse-du-SMIC-une-des-principales-revendications-des
Le Pen is against raising minimum wage. Get fucked.

David Adams
David Adams

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
FUEL TAX GOOD
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
MUH STATUES, MUH ARCHITECTURE
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
CELTIC CROSS
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
WYPIPO
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAA ITS NOT LEFTIST ENOUGH WAAAAAA WAAAA WAAAAA

Wyatt Thomas
Wyatt Thomas

Did you even read what I said? Reread.

Dominic White
Dominic White

Autism.

Jason Cooper
Jason Cooper

You do know that its possible to insult someone other than the poster you're replying to, yes?
Though I wont defend myself too long because I dont actually have any strong feelings here I Just thought itd be funny based on other posters stupid complaints and descriptions of twitter fucks stupid complaints

Lincoln King
Lincoln King

The frogs are pissed off at Celtic crosses?

First Napoleon invades Egypt instead of Ireland and now this?

Sebastian James
Sebastian James

Uhm, does anyone think there should be more POC representation in these protests? Do they even fight for trans rights? Smells like fash to me.

Yikes.

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John Carter
John Carter

Oh, sorry. If that's the case I agree with you, those people are retarded and are shooting themselves in the foot by opposing these protests if they're actually leftist. I'm actually starting to doubt if many if them are in any way, they all kind of just showed up. Most of the time any sort of protest get support.

Gavin Peterson
Gavin Peterson

I can't think of a consumption tax which would have a greater environmental impact than fuel taxes, besides things that create disincentives to have children.

Except the world will likely have to do more than just sanctioning America to reduce carbon emissions to reasonable levels. It will have to do things like impose fossil fuel taxes on its citizens.

Colton Jones
Colton Jones

I swear to fucking God if I hear this from someone. I can already some twitter chapofag or youtube idpol blogger saying something like this.

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Levi Sanchez
Levi Sanchez

i thought chapofags were brocialist

Adrian Jones
Adrian Jones

To all frenchies, JOIN THE PES! BUILD A REVOLUTIONARY LEADERSHIP AND LEAD THESE ANGRY WORKERS TO REVOLUTION!

Nolan Walker
Nolan Walker

I can hear his voices as he says "Yikes".
The wispy, effeminate tone. The weird intonation because he has to pull a face while doing it to show everyone how uncomfortable he is.

Lincoln Young
Lincoln Young

It was co-opted by limp wristed liberals. So it goes.

Alexander Torres
Alexander Torres

"identity politics" means "things i don't like"

David Brown
David Brown

they are, their fans are all r/socialism

Kevin Scott
Kevin Scott

wew lad

Asher Adams
Asher Adams

Go Frenchies. We need this shit to spill over to other places. Nuit debuit didn't quite pan out, but this looks nice. When is the CGT strike?

Cooper Miller
Cooper Miller

Their fans are generally r/socialist tier given their nature, and only 1 out of the three main guys can tenuously be called anti-idpol. The other two are pretty bad, Virgil is the worst youtube.com/watch?v=e-28RP5lk88

Gabriel Peterson
Gabriel Peterson

Presumably the protests aren't really about fuel taxes at all, but about the outrages and small indignities of Macron's government, or perhaps of the entirety of the last 30 years? The fuel thing merely being the prompt to action. If so, one naturally hopes that simply reversing that action will not stop the protests.

Jaxson Gutierrez
Jaxson Gutierrez

There are other fuels than ones for cars

Jace Scott
Jace Scott

Regular folk can't meet ends meet anymore. They are pissed. The fuel tax was just the last drop.

Carson Bennett
Carson Bennett

Amusingly they call themselves dirtbag leftists and use an old leftypol pepe to signify it while complaining constantly about how probIematic Amber is, even though she coined the term.

Reddit truly is the most cancerous site on the whole internet.

Gabriel Lopez
Gabriel Lopez

I can't think of a consumption tax which would have a greater environmental impact than fuel taxes, besides things that create disincentives to have children.

Consumption taxes are the most regressive.Why not a wealth tax to fund a green new deal?

Also almost all the fuel people use is to get to and from work. People don't drive less because it costs more, they just end up with less money. The French are already driving the most fuel efficient cars around (unfortunately they're considered bad now after 30 years of promotion because they give everyone asthma).

BTW Macron cut income taxes when he came to power.

Aaron Flores
Aaron Flores

14th
2 weeks too late as usual

Jonathan Evans
Jonathan Evans

OMFG, why the fuck can't the strike this friday or something?!?!?!

Zachary Price
Zachary Price

It will have to do things like impose fossil fuel taxes on its citizens.

Only half of fossil fuels are used for transport, a fraction of that is used by private citizens, and a tiny fraction of that fraction is used for pleasure.

You're being a liberal and trying to find weird nudges to keep us from dying and having shitty lives in the near future. Fact is that we can't burn all the oil that's underground. A line needs to be drawn on the amount of oil that can be extracted. Nudging poor people to death while flying around in private jets isn't gonna cut it.

Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall

73% of emissions come from 100 companies

But if you look at the list of these supposed "companies", you see that they are either the companies that get the fossil fuels out of the ground to begin with or entire countries.
China for example is the first "company" on that list.
This retarded meme that 100 companies are responsibl for climatee change and that we jsut need to boycot these companies needs to die. Boycotting these companies is the same as simply not using any fossil fuels at all anymore.
theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jul/10/100-fossil-fuel-companies-investors-responsible-71-global-emissions-cdp-study-climate-change

William Turner
William Turner

kill yourself capitalist scum

Hunter Morales
Hunter Morales

my bad, it's a protest, not a strike. there's no call for strike.
head of the CGT is interviewed here : youtube.com/watch?v=BhkwU3_Sbg0
he says he can't call for general strike because "it doesn't work like that" and "just because I call for it doesn't mean it's gonna work". I honestly have no idea what the fuck that means.

Alexander Myers
Alexander Myers

I don't know much French but I think what he's trying to say in English is "I'm cucking out"

Caleb Gomez
Caleb Gomez

Ok guys so the left has only recently started to get involved, and this involvement is not the result of sudden class consciousness but it is only motivated by fear and opportunism.
How do you know that the yellow vests wont contribute to an ascension of the National Front?
These people dont want to replace the current system, they only want to make it function more effectively.They are protesting together but they do not form an organised group.

James Adams
James Adams

Only half of fossil fuels are used for transport
good point. There should be a corrective tax on all products, proportional to carbon footprint they create.
a fraction of that is used by private citizens
Does the French tax only effect private citizens? Ideally anyone entity buying gas (corporations, cities, etc) would have to pay the gas tax also.
and a tiny fraction of that fraction is used for pleasure.
If we want to save the planet, reducing joy rides won't be enough to curb fossil fuel use. People will have to carpool, etc.
You're being a liberal and trying to find weird nudges to keep us from dying and having shitty lives in the near future.
The per capita energy footprint of wealthy western countries is very high, so it is good for them to implement these policies if you value the climate.
Fact is that we can't burn all the oil that's underground. A line needs to be drawn on the amount of oil that can be extracted.
If we want to transition off fossil fuels, it can't be suddenly done overnight (unless you are suggesting anprim). The move away from fossil fuels must necessarily be a gradual weening off. Demand side interventions contribute to this.
Nudging poor people to death while flying around in private jets isn't gonna cut it.
you raise a good point about private jets. Things that are needlessly consumptive deserve extra attention. But if you are saying that the French proletariat shouldn't worry about their carbon footprint, the Fijian and Bangladeshi proletariat would likely disagree.

Ethan Lopez
Ethan Lopez

Lol who's saying boycott?

Reduce their available reserves by 2/3 and we're golden.

Carson Harris
Carson Harris

IIRC CGT helped them block out some refineries and other things in small scale. They are calling for a strike this Sunday though

twitter.com/Actu17/status/1070225328860225536

Elijah Collins
Elijah Collins

Does the French tax only effect private citizens? Ideally anyone entity buying gas (corporations, cities, etc) would have to pay the gas tax also.

In effect yes, flat consumption taxes affect the poor much more than they affect the wealthy. BNP Parabas won't change their behavior because the price of gas went up a euro per liter (also it's a write off)

If we want to save the planet, reducing joy rides won't be enough to curb fossil fuel use. People will have to carpool, etc.

Public transportation has been cut to next to nothing outside of cities, carpooling is already done if feasible which it isn't most of the time when you live in the country.

The per capita energy footprint of wealthy western countries is very high, so it is good for them to implement these policies if you value the climate.

These policies barely reduce carbon emissions if at all. Plus it hurts people who need it the most.

If we want to transition off fossil fuels, it can't be suddenly done overnight (unless you are suggesting anprim). The move away from fossil fuels must necessarily be a gradual weening off. Demand side interventions contribute to this.

I didn't say draw the line at whatever is in the ground at the moment, the gradual weaning off will be the oil that's still allowed to be drilled. Demand side interventions like creating urban or urban-like environments that don't require cars, cutting the work week down, and developing alternative emission free means are whats needed.

you raise a good point about private jets. Things that are needlessly consumptive deserve extra attention. But if you are saying that the French proletariat shouldn't worry about their carbon footprint, the Fijian and Bangladeshi proletariat would likely disagree.

The French proleariat doesn't control their carbon footprint. They have no control over the transportation available to them, and no control over where they have to go. The change needs to come from the public sector.

peoplespolicyproject.org/2018/09/19/a-progressive-case-for-a-carbon-tax-and-dividend-scheme/

I'd support a carbon tax like that one. It'd lower carbon emissions and redistribute wealth downwards. A flat tax like Macron's is just the wealthy punishing the poor for the bad behavior that they do 100 times worse.

Thomas King
Thomas King

Also supply-side interventions would be way more effective. We can do both.

Dylan Harris
Dylan Harris

the last thing you want is a bunch of trot trade unionists jumping in and trying to tell everyone what to do
The last thing I want is a bunch of moralistic and idealist anarchists jumping in and trying to tell everyone what they can NOT do. You fucked up OWS, had your chance, now it's grown up time.

Nathan Anderson
Nathan Anderson

ladies, ladies, please, i think we all agree who should be in charge here.

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Oliver Morris
Oliver Morris

says the mid 30s YouTube drama show host who dresses like a teenager
The simulation is breaking again

Dominic Rivera
Dominic Rivera

I find it hilarious that Amber, the one most r/socialist types would assume would be mired in idpol, is the most anti-idpol out of all of them. Tbh ,its probably due to her takes against Hillary and liberal feminism.

Jeremiah Long
Jeremiah Long

I assume you have seen the video of the guy angle grinding the cash machine yes? Ffs this whataboutery “I would totally protest way better than this” but you fucking don’t, none of you people do jack shit but sit on your computer and bitch. You will never be satisfied by anything, you have no idea NO IDEA the kind of groundwork a mobilisation like this takes. If you had any experience at all in organising people, political people, but in this case apolitical people, it’s a nightmare. Everyone wants their say, everyone thinks they are correct, everyone has different demands, very few people actually have a clue, there are time constraints, costs, communication difficulties, people who fuck up or don’t pull their weight or have a family emergency at a key time, “why don’t this just do this thing I want though” chances are they discussed it at length and decided against it, they probably wasted 20 minutes of meeting time discussing this very suggestion, maybe an hour who knows

Nolan Wood
Nolan Wood

I was in a Facebook group chat with her she’s pro gun control basically a screaming liberal second wave fem pretending to be an edgy Stalinist it’s lame

Caleb Watson
Caleb Watson

2740970
Like the Parthenon I want to refound Europe!

Horrible translation, French people talk backwards, you can't just do it word for word.

Jackson Ramirez
Jackson Ramirez

2740303
synthesis

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Aiden Stewart
Aiden Stewart

2740989
is this real life

Samuel Ramirez
Samuel Ramirez

quality post

Brayden Morgan
Brayden Morgan

2740538
they though I was racist/homophobic because I kept calling people niggers and faggots
...and you were surprised by this?
you deserved it

Jose Cook
Jose Cook

2740597
no they don't. I can't believe how fucking deluded you sheltered people are, it's astonishing.
leave your fucking house once in a while.

Chase Brown
Chase Brown

One day I will add the final panel, when Macron is forced out or beheaded.

Luis Howard
Luis Howard

Can we somehow globalize this in context of the Earth Strike movement?

Christopher Fisher
Christopher Fisher

2740303
chaos under heaven

Tyler Fisher
Tyler Fisher

Sadly Extinction Rebellion is still mostly popular in Britain and, increasingly, the US. It doesn't seem to have much of a presence in western europe

William Clark
William Clark

2740564
you don't have to be blatantly racist and homophobic to be funny you fucking retard
inb4 ableism

Josiah Gonzalez
Josiah Gonzalez

this was 5 hours ago,can you all stop

Andrew Gutierrez
Andrew Gutierrez

2740538
You deserved to get out for being a reactionary piece of shit

Cameron Long
Cameron Long

Enough with the garbage already.

Daniel Lee
Daniel Lee

Good job on derailing the thread, idiots

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Bentley Bell
Bentley Bell

*reddit

Jacob Foster
Jacob Foster

gilets jaunes
earth strike
eu ban on memes (which hopefully angers the zoomers)
PM corbyn
looks like we have some comfy times ahead bros

Daniel Wilson
Daniel Wilson

MEMES

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Charles Robinson
Charles Robinson

forgetting the economic crash in two years

Josiah Sullivan
Josiah Sullivan

It's not going to take two years.

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Nolan Sullivan
Nolan Sullivan

A Brilliant excuse for Shock Socialism.

Joseph Rivera
Joseph Rivera

La hausse de la taxe carbone "abandonnée" pour 2019
le moratoire annoncé mardi pour six mois sur la taxe carbone va être prolongé à toute l’année 2019.

lemonde.fr/societe/article/2018/12/05/gilets-jaunes-emmanuel-macron-s-oppose-a-tout-retablissement-de-l-isf_5393233_3224.html
JVPITER BTFO

David Reed
David Reed

The response to this strike by Jacobin reveals just how politically bankrupt the Democrat Cops of America, ISO, and all these fake left tendencies are.

Asher Rogers
Asher Rogers

well they said "for 2019" so they are still taking the piss about doing it the next year or something

Brody Diaz
Brody Diaz

I've yet to actually find it. Please link.

Christian Cook
Christian Cook

if the government is smart enough they would take the big oil company instead which would drive the prices higher.
same result, same benefices without inconvenient.

i don't know why they didn't think about that first instead of pissing strait on the face of the proletariat, that was a retarded move.

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Benjamin Long
Benjamin Long

PM corbyn
No way, is the boy actually doing it?

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Logan Thomas
Logan Thomas

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Jose Davis
Jose Davis

Who will you choose?

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Jacob Butler
Jacob Butler

Dark paladin (ret specced).

Eli Thompson
Eli Thompson

tank. any day of the week

Jace Butler
Jace Butler

demolitionist first play through
dark paladin second

Ayden Brown
Ayden Brown

Nice. Dark paladin - guy's the most badass.

Angel Foster
Angel Foster

2740964
what is the consensus on may '68 among frenchmen?

Fairly negative I'd say. I only see left-liberal types like Cohn-Bendit still supporting it nowadays.

Michael Smith
Michael Smith

youtube.com/watch?v=_-3KdvwF_WE
quelqu'un a regardé ça? ça vaut le coup ou pas?

Carson Robinson
Carson Robinson

Question to frogrades: did Badiou comment on the yellow vests?

Kevin Hill
Kevin Hill

This. I've been wondering whether badiou or zizek has said anything about the yellow vests.

Brayden Russell
Brayden Russell

I need daddy to tell me how to think and feel about a thing that is happening as I am unable to form my own opinion and arguments.

Adam Sullivan
Adam Sullivan

doesn't look like it.

Connor Lee
Connor Lee

learning shit

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Gabriel Lewis
Gabriel Lewis

Not everyone is a genius. It makes perfect sense to consult intellectuals on intellectual matters.

Jaxson Lee
Jaxson Lee

Police unions will join protests on Saturday

Julian Jackson
Julian Jackson

only one has called for it.

Ryan Rodriguez
Ryan Rodriguez

Only non actif personnel
there bing a surge of sick leave in the police

Christian Brown
Christian Brown

which is huge
when we had 3 months of protests in my country, pigs never flinched a muscle when beating their countrymen

Tyler Evans
Tyler Evans

yes, and without supporting personnel it is difficult to have active personnel

Adrian Peterson
Adrian Peterson

Okay, now this is epic.

Adrian Price
Adrian Price

okay, after further research, apparently that's just the presenter's name, and they're Taiwanese, which I guess is why they tend to sympathise with underdogs.
still, funny coincidence.

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Logan Baker
Logan Baker

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Jeremiah Rodriguez
Jeremiah Rodriguez

Lu Bu is more like Manu's bodyguard tbh

Brayden Stewart
Brayden Stewart

epic lulz

Samuel White
Samuel White

D E B O U T

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James Robinson
James Robinson

youtube.com/watch?v=rFA08BJUtPo

Ryder Powell
Ryder Powell

Why go on a rampage ruining monuments built by the hard labour of your ancestors (made for a past revolution) when you could just form a labour unionist movement and force the government to negotiate better conditions with you? I mean all they will get from this is labour legislation changes at best and then the old guys calm down and the police beats up the angry kiddos and they leave as well. Always has been like that in the first world for like a century now. Reforming things for the sake of workers triving for a full social state is literally what these people actually want since it means security and no hard times. But uh ok let's get worked up about another revolution meme comrades.

Luke Gonzalez
Luke Gonzalez

Inb4 Macron leaves before Merkel
What the fuck is this timeline.

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Elijah Price
Elijah Price

nice b8 m8,flag checks out

Jaxson Cox
Jaxson Cox

Socdems pleading to do the established bourgeoise way

Kayden Clark
Kayden Clark

The kind of reformism you want failed: remember Hollande?

Josiah Carter
Josiah Carter

Also does anyone have the video of the police beating school kids?

Eli Gutierrez
Eli Gutierrez

Wtf I love cops now
Why go on a rampage ruining monuments built by the hard labour of your ancestors (made for a past revolution)
No historical monuments were destroyed. Only some slight Graffiti which was washed off.

Jayden Sanders
Jayden Sanders

Cringe. Also the yellow scarves rebellion was deeply superstitious in nature, was extremely violent and had very clear leaders so no.

If anything Lu Bu is like the French PM.

Justin Rogers
Justin Rogers

Because
tax the big oil company
They would never do this. The fuel tax isn't to reduce emissions or whatever bullshit they say, they're doing this to tax workers.

Benjamin Perez
Benjamin Perez

France, YouGov poll:
President Macron Approval Rating
<Approve: 18% (-3)
Disapprove: 76% (+7)
Field work: 28/11/18 – 29/11/18
Sample size: 1,006
LE JOUR DE GLOIRE EST ARRIVÉ

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Jose Cooper
Jose Cooper

Don't call it a comeback

twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1070681028853940224

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Leo Martinez
Leo Martinez

So basically all the pussy liberals have realised their folly and are jumping left?

Jayden Martin
Jayden Martin

They're probably just backing another lib.

Henry Price
Henry Price

Nah it's Beaufs starting to support Melenchon (this is a bloc exercise, aka who do you like not "who do you like the most").

Tyler Foster
Tyler Foster

An explanation of the parties:
Melenchon/LFI: French Corbyn
Hamon/G.s: VAROUFAKIS GANG French Division
Bayrou/MoDem: Standard Soc liv, in gov
Macron: Why the fuck are you here if you don't know who he is
Le Pen/RN: Standard Right Wing Populist
Dupont-Aignan/DLF: Slightly more moderate Right Wing populist
Wauquiez/LR: Classic Neocon
Ruffin/PD: Localist DemSocs, support Melenchon
Philippot/LP: Another moderate RWP, broke away from Front National
Laurent/PCF: Remaining rump of the PCF, Eurocom/old school socdem
Lagarde/UDI: Regular Liberals, anti-gov (prefer LR)
Faure/PS: Blairite cuckdems.

Jack Diaz
Jack Diaz

IT'S HAPPENING

express.co.uk/news/world/1055152/Macron-news-france-crisis-protests-end-of-macron-no-confidence-vote

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Ethan Murphy
Ethan Murphy

1) Don't quote the express, it is sensationalist bullshit most of the time
2) Macron controls the parliament, I doubt he will fall…

Jace Sullivan
Jace Sullivan

L'arc de triomphe was built by someone who did a coup and overthrew the state.

Charles Foster
Charles Foster

I might have gotten a bit too excited, but still, I think his party will abandon him to save their own skin. It may pass

James Hall
James Hall

It won't though, Macron IS the party (well, LREM anyways). For reference Yellow is his party, of the 350 seats, 308 belong to Macron's party. A lot of his politicians are political newcomers obsessively because he wanted "experts" there but mostly because they are his puppets and don't know how to act. They're useful idiots: there's a famous example of Macron's party voting down a GOVERNMENT AMENDMENT to a bill because it was introduced by the pro-Government MoDem instead of them and they thought it was from the opposition. That's how useless they are.

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Adam Bell
Adam Bell

Sorry I got this slightly wrong, the Orange+Yellow is the presidential majority (350 seats), the yellow 308 belong to Macron's REM.

Chase Young
Chase Young

Do you really think that when the time comes, they won't sell him out? I bet that already a majority of them have started to talk about an escape plan. If they think that their position will be secure, they might cut a deal with the left to oust the PM. I understand that EM is Macrons personal party, but even the most incompetent of cronies see a crisis when it occurs.

John Perez
John Perez

Macron starts losing support.
Jumping to Melenchon
What the fuck. Why aren't people going to Le Pen like I thought they would?

Julian Turner
Julian Turner

They aren't cronies though: they're sycophants. Big difference. This "crisis" is a load of ignorant beaufs getting uppity of them saving the environment to them.
As for the PM, he's actually more popular than Macron but that's neither here nor there.
Melenchon is in the Assemblé National so he can shit on the government from a podium whereas Le Pen is merely an MEP. Other polling shows her doing quite well, but it also shows a trotskyist as popular as her so I don't know man.

Kevin Thomas
Kevin Thomas

What a stupid interjection.

Jason Gomez
Jason Gomez

would you expect anything else from that flag?

Ryan Parker
Ryan Parker

I'm on mobile, what flag is it?

John Adams
John Adams

Shaman
WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY

Ayden Anderson
Ayden Anderson

marksucc

Wyatt Russell
Wyatt Russell

HAPPENING
youtu.be/X_eNj8APrVI

Adam Cook
Adam Cook

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Thomas Roberts
Thomas Roberts

Webm form.

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Logan Parker
Logan Parker

29/11-3/12/18
what does this even mean besides the december 2018 part.

Michael Walker
Michael Walker

Can anyone redpill me on Hamon?

Jackson Jenkins
Jackson Jenkins

November 29th to December 3rd 2018

Lincoln Young
Lincoln Young

The people who were supporting Le Pen weren't on the fence about Mélenchon. People who would support Le Pen now would have supported her ages ago, they're the same population.
We're seeing the soft socdem/mellow left/vaguely reformist/enlightened centrists rethink their position.

Jack Allen
Jack Allen

How the fuck are rightists spinning this as "le epic victory of nationalists over globalists"?

Michael Allen
Michael Allen

IT'S HAPPENING

Kevin Gutierrez
Kevin Gutierrez

You're likely right in terms of Le Pen being around her 2017 vote rate, but a lot of the new Melenchon voters won't be "enlightened centrist" voters (they'll go to Hamon), they be rural working class people who sees Melenchon supporting the and are starting to move over to him. When the CGT march on the 14th, shit is gonna get lit.
The accounts british so we put dates in the LOGICAL FUCKING WAY DD/MM/YY FFS)
Nobody is doing that within France itself, it is a shit tier analysis coming from outside. They'll be fucking surprised when Le Pen doesn't get through and the second round of the election is Melenchon vs a LR candidate.

Kevin Campbell
Kevin Campbell

They'll try that for anything.
Nobody goes to Hamon lmao.

Gabriel Stewart
Gabriel Stewart

random weekly poll fluctuation
HOLY SHIT IT'S HAPPENING LET ME PREDICT 2022'S SECOND TURN C'EST LA LUTTE FINAAAAAAAAAAALE

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Joshua Lee
Joshua Lee

Random weekly poll fluctuation
Nah instead we should gleem how these protests are changing the french political landscape by reading fuck tealeaves instead…

Joseph Garcia
Joseph Garcia

As much as predicting too far in the future makes no sense, this isn't usual for France at all.

Brayden Martinez
Brayden Martinez

The fucking conservashit party in my country has been trying to hold anti-migrant demonstrations and telling people to wear yellow vests. Everybody is trying to co-opt it.

Hudson Long
Hudson Long

More people will think french protesters are anti-migrant nazis
It's almost like it takes less time to make up a lie than it takes to debunk it.

Ian Richardson
Ian Richardson

he was the PS candidate in the 2017 presidential election. He was on the left of the PS and him winning the candidacy tried to scavenge votes from Melénchon with stuff like ubi and the like. When he lost in the first round he immediately backed Macron for the presidency and then followed in his footsteps by leaving the PS and made his own party which has aligned itself as a pro-eu demsocs trying to get in good with varoufakis and DiEM25 people.
Thankfully, to some extent, the right has a caricatured view of politics where there is the monolithic EU-jewish-globalist-deep state-gangster-computer-god-communist-banker puppet government which is the {{{bad}}} and then there's the nationalist 'populist' underdogs who are going to take back control and make good government and stop the bad's manipulative plans to destroy the world and enslave everyone forever. So obviously if people are protesting globalist Macron they must be based identitarian patriots, they're also all either yanks or yankeefied on the internet and thus they view France and all of western europe as the poncy liberal socialists who don't know true freedumb™ so this is also obviously Vuvuzela 2.0 and people having enough of {{{socialism}}}.

Xavier Carter
Xavier Carter

then how do you explain the drop for Macron followed by a rise in Melenchon?

Beaufs?

as far as i can see it, at the election the people were teetering on Melon man but thought they would go with the "safe pair of hands" centrist. As it happened he sucks dicks and they now realise that. While Le Pen has a solid 20-25ish percent of the population who will always be in favour of her basically no matter what because they are racist, still most of france, even if they are casually racist, support stricter immigration policies, wouldn't vote le pen. These people will never switch to her because she is an untouchable scumbag, compared to melon man who is just seen as a idealist with nice ideas that "work on paper but wont work in practice" now theyve seen the centre not work in practice they are willing to try something new, but not willing to try racialised neoliberalism. Their problems are economic not cultural, they are turning to the candidate who offers economic solutions

Jason Morris
Jason Morris

Literal nobody devoid of any charisma, "left-wing of the PS" which means nothing given how the PS isn't even socdem anymore, they're pretty much the US democrats, works hand-in-hand with capitalism/neoliberalism. The PS privatized more than the "right" and wrote laws that allows court to deprive frenchmen from their nationality among other things.

Bentley Turner
Bentley Turner

Beaufs?
French rednecks.
then how do you explain the drop for Macron followed by a rise in Melenchon?
That doesn't imply a direct movement, this isn't a "one or the other" poll but a "put an x next to all the people you like" poll.

Jacob Parker
Jacob Parker

Old school 1970s socdem, supported UBI. Is now the leader of a breakaway of "left social democrat" party that is a part of
==VAROUFAKIS GANG GANG GANG==. Pro-EU.

Lincoln Campbell
Lincoln Campbell

This is a September pol but I don't think there isn't that much difference to Le Pen's approval rating today than it was a few months ago. Anyways, I'm very confused as to why people aren't flocking to the far right whenever a centrist fails? Is it because Le Pen said she wasn't interested in raising the minimum wage? Because otherwise I have no idea why this event is happening.

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Gabriel Foster
Gabriel Foster

2739768
because he is

Grayson Parker
Grayson Parker

That's from this month mate. One notable thing should be that La France Insoumise has one of the lowest negative opinion ratings of all the parties. That bodes well for an electoral campaign.
Not sure what is going on with the Greens tbh, but they are quite weird in that they are popular but don't really do anything.

Justin Lee
Justin Lee

I would also like to know desu

Brayden Cook
Brayden Cook

Why aren't they leaving and joining the far right
Simple: because the left is organised in France. Melenchon is a populist leftwinger that embraces French patriotism: that's all you need. In Britain we organised our proper left and are crawling back to prominence. Spain did the same with Podemos (although over the last year or two they've lost steam). And Organised Left can take on the hard right with ease because it can organise ordinary working people.

Austin Morales
Austin Morales

the Greens are the go-to for disenfranchised left-leaning people who realize the center-left is dead, but don't like the "style" of Corbyn-Mélenchon movements because it's scary even though they agree with literally everything they say. I believe this holds for everywhere.

Sebastian Morales
Sebastian Morales

Its sad that even the sort of moderate socdem/demsoc stuff is too much for your generic left-leaning liberal. What or how long will it take for liberals to give in to the leftward movement?

Owen Martin
Owen Martin

They won't: it is better to target the patriotic econ left social right working class than the liberals. This is how UK Labour pivoting.

Colton Martin
Colton Martin

They won't: it is better to target the patriotic econ left social right working class than the liberals.
This.

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Zachary Clark
Zachary Clark

Robespierre 2.0 when?

Mason Morgan
Mason Morgan

Robespierre was a bitch
MADE BY BABEUF GANG

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Colton Garcia
Colton Garcia

pfft. cowards, the whole lot

MADE BY BLANQUI GANG

Chase Brown
Chase Brown

forgot picture lol

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Luke Adams
Luke Adams

He's lowkey handsome.

John Turner
John Turner

Exactly what in the fuck do you mean by "lowkey" here

Elijah Smith
Elijah Smith

Alright he's profoundly handsome, calm down my nig.

Carson Moore
Carson Moore

I keep hearing that the french government has folded to the protestors. is this in any way true?

Jaxon Thomas
Jaxon Thomas

They suspended implementing the fuel tax for six months, but the demands of the GJ's have gone well beyond that. This is only the beginning.

Mason Moore
Mason Moore

The government is folding but now that people have figured out they have power, they want more of it. The insurrectionary wheels are in motion, it's blatant to anyone in the country.

Noah Flores
Noah Flores

next question, where on the scale are we?

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Leo Russell
Leo Russell

You can't stop it.

Luis Stewart
Luis Stewart

they suspended implementing the fuel tax for six months
Initially, but now they've abandoned entirely for the 2019 budget. Protests are still set to happen on Saturday though

See and youtube.com/watch?v=uCcKmdURMpg

Cooper Campbell
Cooper Campbell

Probably at "you didn't listen" or "why didn't you listen?" This isn't Storming the Bastille 2.0 here, the best case scenario is that Macron is toppled and FI or another leftist party takes power and makes some real socdem reforms. Definitely a positive development that will strengthen the French left, but nothing that will critically endanger French capitalism… yet.

Ian Richardson
Ian Richardson

I think what we are seeing is a February 1917 here. A Sixth Republic being founded after this is quite likely, with maybe Melenchon as the last republic of the Vth. A Leninist dictatorship of the proletariat is not going to happen, but something verging on syndicalism might occur.
One thing that should be noted: the CGT is calling a general strike for the 14th. That has the chance of going full De Leonist as the yellow vests join them: shutting down the country. We may be the on the verge of something special.

Owen Nguyen
Owen Nguyen

the chance of going full De Leonist
It will turn into an irrelevant LARP ideology? I hope not

Caleb Rodriguez
Caleb Rodriguez

NDA S U R G E
NEOGAULLISM GANG

Julian Hill
Julian Hill

Is there anything to indicate that the CGT is anything more than a basic bitch class collaborationist trade union?

Benjamin Cox
Benjamin Cox

De Leonism is irrelevant
Read Lenin you nu-leftypol fuck.
Well considering they have been doing Yellow Jacket-tier shit since El Khomri they have gotten way more militant over the last decade. Historically also they have been the "leftwing" of the big five trade unions.

Asher Butler
Asher Butler

You underestimate the complete and utter naivete and amateurism of most LREM representatives. These aren't some seasoned politicians looking after their own skin, they're mostly local entrepreneurs that genuinely believe the Macronist "Start-up nation" rhetoric.
Example:
nouvelobs.com/politique/20170908.OBS4393/la-deputee-lrem-qui-faisait-visiter-l-assemblee-nationale-pour-119-euros.html
A LREM rep decided to offer visits to the parliament for 119€/person using her status as MP. Absolutely amateurish petit-bourg perspective

Jacob Martin
Jacob Martin

De Leonism
Is not an ideology, no one calls themselves that, no one cares what that is and has no existence of reality. Anything but Marxism-Leninism or Maoism is completely irrelevant

Joseph Fisher
Joseph Fisher

Wouldn't all the rightists and centrists who settled for Macron just coalesce towards Bayrou?

Adrian Brooks
Adrian Brooks

the eternal dem-soc soc-dem divide

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David Brooks
David Brooks

I got this once
and I still don't know what it is

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Nicholas Ward
Nicholas Ward

Syndicalism with a central state.

Anthony Peterson
Anthony Peterson

The proof that quiz is retarded is that it says you're equally a utopian socialist and a Marxist. Stop taking internet quizzes

Isaac Morris
Isaac Morris

Melenchon is a populist leftwinger that embraces French patriotism
This, if Méluche didn't have his frequent outbursts against Luxembourgo-Germanic bankers, Americans and other various Germanic races, then retroactively justify himself as "showing Gallic bonhomie" his support with the rural classes would be way weaker.

Sebastian Wilson
Sebastian Wilson

Please, the radical unions like the CNT-F aren't even commenting on this, instead talking about holding Christmas book markets and preparing for syndical elections, le wildcat memers have no say here.

Grayson Lee
Grayson Lee

Sounds pretty fucking pathetic if you ask me.

Jackson Bailey
Jackson Bailey

boogeyman
don't flatter yourself nerd

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Brayden Richardson
Brayden Richardson

Literally Lenin said he followed De Leon thought: "… What we have done in Russia is accept the De Leon interpretation of Marxism, that is what the Bolsheviki adopted in 1917."
Also
2018
<ML & Maoism are relevant
Lamo.
Nah, because a load of liberals did because they thought him to be a hip UBI Pro-EU man. Also he was never that popular: he basically won by default (Macron scored 23% of the first round vote, Le Pen 21%, LR 20%, Melenchon 19.5%)

Alexander Kelly
Alexander Kelly

Bayrou has been an absolute joke for years and a decade of jokes depicting him as an undecided virgin aren't doing him any favours when he'd need to assemble the people under his banner. The centre-rightist more likely to take over at this point is her ebonic excellency Rama Yade, who's biding her time at the moment I bet.
No offence meant here, I would genuinely worship her feet while she took my pension rights away.

Gabriel Baker
Gabriel Baker

De Leonism is irrelevant
Yes, really fucking irrelevant.

Ian Brown
Ian Brown

Which isn't a bad thing btw, channeling chauvinism towards productive ends 1) erodes the chauvinism itself 2) leads to good things.

Luis Sanders
Luis Sanders

What we have done in Russia is accept the De Leon interpretation of Marxism, that is what the Bolsheviki adopted in 1917
Then why call yourself something different than a Marxist-Leninist? Wanting to seem special and obscure?

Lincoln Watson
Lincoln Watson

Syndicalist theory is irrelevant
t. knows fuckall about French political history

Liam Carter
Liam Carter

some of you guys are alright, don't go to the champs-elysee tomorrow

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Samuel Russell
Samuel Russell

Because De Leonism is inherently found in syndicalism, while Marxism-Leninism isn't rooted in the trade unionist movement.

Parker King
Parker King

Haven't you read Mélenchon's tweets? We're hiding behind literally every corner with armed cream pies waiting for leftist députés to pass by.

Caleb Peterson
Caleb Peterson

not just calling yourself a syndicalist
Not everything needs to be some pseudo-ideology named after an obscure figure

Logan Nguyen
Logan Nguyen

hmm, seems like in every example Vanguardism leads to a totaltarian dictatorship that has failed to figure out how to "wither away" its own state power
Maybe the syndicalists are on to something: in fact, through the workplace everyone can be the vanguard and we can avoid Kafkan bureaucracy shit altogether.
I for one don't see how De Leonism has any meaningful difference from Luxemburgism other than its reliance on syndicalist methodology

Brody Miller
Brody Miller

What does the note say?

Thomas Richardson
Thomas Richardson

Luxemburgism
ism
ism
ism
ism
ism
I bet a lot of these people would laugh at you if you told them they had some distinct ideology. Just call yourself a Marxist for fucks sake

Camden Rodriguez
Camden Rodriguez

Stop making yourself look increasingly retarded with each post.

Aaron Carter
Aaron Carter

Rude of you to snub Sun Yat Sen like that. He was easily one of the coolest and most historically necessary liberals.

Nicholas Watson
Nicholas Watson

Go ahead and LARP and make up ideologies all day if you want. Working people don't care about these increasingly silly labeling games

Hudson Powell
Hudson Powell

French is rusty but it looks like it says that a lot of soldiers are on the side of the GJ's and that they won't fight them.

Zachary Rodriguez
Zachary Rodriguez

Yellow vests, don't stop now
A lot of soldiers are against this government and aren't blind to what's happening.
Note that that looks like a legit French military PAMAS pistol so the note might even be legit.
Lacertilian wouldn't surprise me after Macron publicly castrated the military last year.

Ethan Ward
Ethan Ward

I study Marxism in academic settings, so there's sadly no real avoiding it.

Isaac Edwards
Isaac Edwards

Have fun spending 20 minutes explaining something you could have done so with a word then you tedious faggot.

Joshua Perez
Joshua Perez

Because syndicalism is quite a broad school of thought? De Leon wasn't an anarchist…
It's like saying "Why call yourself a Marxist-Leninist instead of a Communist?"

Lucas Perry
Lucas Perry

Inb4 state of emergency.

Nicholas Anderson
Nicholas Anderson

holy fuck

David Richardson
David Richardson

Marxism
lmao why call yourself a Marxist? Is Marx such a special snowflake he gets his own ideology named after him? Just call yourself a thinky guy so the retard masses know you think good.

Asher Young
Asher Young

Even JVPITER wouldn't dare to do that, specially considering the military has always been way more republican and inclined to the people than the gendarmerie which started it's life with the motto "To protect public and private property" under Napoleon.

Ayden Butler
Ayden Butler

Can't control le peuple because the police have given up and joined them along with emergency services
Gendarme has been BTFO
Fuck it send in the army
Macaroni sounds like he's getting desperate.

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Alexander Miller
Alexander Miller

JLM weekly podcast
youtu.be/dRFGlMf4MKA
tl;dw everybody to the streets, 6th republic now.

Aiden Johnson
Aiden Johnson

I think Jupiter might, his ego is big enough…

Owen Lee
Owen Lee

bbc.com/news/world-europe-46466268
french Government fears major violence in the coming days
rt.com/news/445789-paris-riots-extra-police/
'Final outcome': France to deploy 89,000 cops as protesters plan massive Saturday demonstration
inb4 France goes full bloody sunday on themselves

Cooper Clark
Cooper Clark

Inb4 another 18th of March.

Luke Lewis
Luke Lewis

I'd rather a 6 February, but successful

Eli Nelson
Eli Nelson

Is there a transcript anywhere? I can read french okay, can't listen to it for shit though

Julian Garcia
Julian Garcia

I'm going to make the Paris Commune look like a fucking joke.

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Jordan Reed
Jordan Reed

Abstract:
In this 79th edition of the Weekly Review, JLM explains why the movements of the yellow vests movement is in fact a process of civil revolution. He notably brings up the question of the double legitimity of the state in France (translator note: MAURRAS GANG). He recognizes the many high school, mainly trade schools, protesting as well and calls for the yellow vests movement to protect our youngest against police brutality. Finally he calls for everyone to join the movement ASAP and protest, if possible without any violence.

Other highlight reels: JLM predicts that the PM is on the border of mental breakdown as JVPITER doesn't want to listen to him, predicts him quiting soon. JLM also calls attention on the truckers and refinery workers strike on saturday.

Original:
Dans ce 79e numéro de la Revue de la semaine, Jean-Luc Mélenchon explique pourquoi le mouvement des gilets jaunes est un processus de révolution citoyenne. Il évoque notamment la question de la double légitimité du pouvoir dans notre pays. Il parle également du mouvement des lycéens en cours et appelle à participer à la protection des jeunes qui manifestent. Enfin, il appelle également à se joindre au mouvement des gilets jaunes et à y participer sans violence.

Jeremiah Kelly
Jeremiah Kelly

What does it mean when the French talk about "manifestations"? I've seen it a few times.
without any violence.
if possible
Based.

Aaron Martin
Aaron Martin

"Manifestations" means protests

Jeremiah Phillips
Jeremiah Phillips

We commune of France now. Can't wait until Corbyn establishes the Union of Britain.

Kaiserreich wasn't the wrong timeline, it was just 100 years too early

Chase Sullivan
Chase Sullivan

fake and gay,it's litterally written "join the movement and participate without violence" not "if possible"

Michael Ward
Michael Ward

also "against police brutality"
implying he would have wrotten that at any point
it's just a "think of the children where he simply calls for the protection of them,you can extrapolate if you want but don't just make up your own phrasing to people that don't understand french

Nathaniel Roberts
Nathaniel Roberts

Kaiserreich wasn't the wrong timeline, it was just 100 years too early
FUCK YEAH BREAK THE CHAINS LADS

Blake Howard
Blake Howard

Why cant this happen in the UK? The UK has an even bigger fake and gay ruling class than France that litteraly everyone hates and a shittier economic situation

Ayden Rivera
Ayden Rivera

Can someone actually explain to me why the protests started?
As far as I was aware it all started due to new taxes being passed, which seemed like a rather bourgeois reason to riot…
I am kind of lost here.

Nolan Baker
Nolan Baker

Do you hear the people sing? Singing the songs of angry men
It is the music of a people who will not be slaves again

Tyler Wood
Tyler Wood

It started as a paysans (rural working class) protests against increased fuel duty on diesel (Not petroleum, just diesel): mostly because farmers all drive diesel and use it for their work. It has spread into a more kind of broad anti-neoliberal movement.

Owen Russell
Owen Russell

« La Troïka vit en France. Elle est installée à l’Elysée et dans le gouvernement de M. Macron. Ces gens là sont socialistes… mais seulement pour les banquiers et les plus riches ! »
t. Varoufakis

Ayden Collins
Ayden Collins

Just hope for the victory of the French people. The more total the victory, if they are so lucky, will radicalize and raise class consciousness across the world. I'm not saying it will be Marxist but still

Nathan Wilson
Nathan Wilson

I think it has to do with the fact that people in rural areas don't really protest in their rural areas. Like they've come to London a few times, but never stopped motorways.
Also this kinda shit has happened before: the poll tax lad.

Carter Russell
Carter Russell

accumulation of taking the piss out of the general population,suppression of the ISF (a tax against the most fotuned part of the society),taxing oil to fuck up the less fortunate,privatization of the FDJ,our gambling institute,sheduling another bigger tax after,death of the governement action and having more light shedded of how most deputies act and how LREM is even worse than everything else we had before, behind mindless automatons,something that all of the other parties denounced,It's the boiling point of our political environnment

Logan Ross
Logan Ross

The french have always been the most class conscious of people. I hope they export the revolution

Eli Taylor
Eli Taylor

youtube.com/watch?v=HwclH1TrLXA

Thread aesthetic

Carter Thompson
Carter Thompson

Eh if you actually listen he goes on about how committing violence does nothing but foster an ambiance of civil war, then spends a minute commiserating with cops who aren't even getting paid to act as Macron's pawns and have to put their lives on the line, but in the part where he talks about he very clearly calls for a "white helmet" (or white scarfs or whatever other white you can find.. t. him) defence cordon around youth protests to protect becaus he "doesnt belive in the continued capacity of the public forces to be responsible". Pretty damning if you ask me.

Eli Barnes
Eli Barnes

There is only one aesthetic. World anthem when?
youtube.com/watch?v=PZlD5RXkeuA

Sebastian Sanders
Sebastian Sanders

well I must admit I reacted more to what you wrote instead of the intention,It just felt wrong(for me,I know,spooky and shit) fostering that much optimism in a way,but after listening I can understand why you wrote it that way (the cops are actually paid "more" this past month or so if I remember actually,no ? And some are deluded beyond recovery in their cowboy act,if even one cop die it's going to go really really bad)

Samuel Perez
Samuel Perez

the cops are actually paid "more" this past month
Clever trick: they're paid "bonuses" for quelling public dissent, but aren't getting paid any of the probably hundreds of over-hours they're putting in this month, which is where the real money is, compared to the pocket change "bonuses" they're getting.
Now this trick worked a few times but by now the cops know they aren't actually getting paid to smash down on people which is why a lot of them are calling in sick and the civilian staff (telephonists, officials, logistics) which also bears the brunt of this are going on strike this saturday.
Let's also not forget all of the other emergency services like fire-fighter and first aid responders who's december is also ruined and who aren't getting paid over-hours either, all because of a certain quasi-roman pseudo-god that's squatting on the legacy of our millennial kingdom and dares to stood where the King (pbuh) once stood…

Cameron Taylor
Cameron Taylor

That performance was fucking beautiful mang.

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Josiah Powell
Josiah Powell

twitter.com/canaryfrance/status/1070754858997829633?s=21

Bentley Jones
Bentley Jones

Ah thanks about that,I was not totally sure how on the inside the bonuses worked,pretty much what I expected,the fact that their budgets is even worse this year just make this all the better,I knew shitting on the police and military was a BOLD move
btw are you pretending to a be a royalist with your name or some shit ?

Adrian Reyes
Adrian Reyes

I have an obsessive need to shitpost about current events and both /pol/s have become completely unusable cesspools of underage memesters. This is an acceptable alternative.

James Howard
James Howard

I can't make out if this account is a parody or not,it's just surreal

Gabriel Martinez
Gabriel Martinez

twitter.com/Obs_Violences/status/1070768467907919872

What the fuck

Thomas Hill
Thomas Hill

Supposed account exposting "anti-semites"
<Shilling for the police detaining fucking school kids

Kevin Lewis
Kevin Lewis

those fucking right-wingers defending this in the replies
My French is shit but wew lad, lick that boot

Brody Stewart
Brody Stewart

"26 of them were armed (rocks,hammers,iron bars,shin guards)" lmao the absolute state,also the CRS were fucking thirty,how the fuck do you expect young people to react to that,of course they fucking panicked when you were charging them because 10 of them burned cars,holy fuck I swear

Julian Walker
Julian Walker

Has anyone else survived the curse of Assad besides her and Erdogan?

Dominic Brown
Dominic Brown

Bibi (for now…)

Bentley Parker
Bentley Parker

the soldiers are on their side

Never forget when Claude Lecomte ordered his men to fire on the crowd during the Paris Commune, they refused and shot him.

Juan Rivera
Juan Rivera

why are they marching only on weekends? and during the week they normally work for porky ?

Mason Campbell
Mason Campbell

that's how it is on this bitch of an earth

Jayden Wright
Jayden Wright

They are still going protest all the week but in smaller scale.

John Carter
John Carter

People now can't stop working if they don't want to get fired and get homeless. Living in the street is literally 2 paychecks away and there is always another unemployed person who is willing to take that job.

Easton Gutierrez
Easton Gutierrez

I .. I admit you're asking me a tough question, I do not know how much the minimum wage is…

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Cameron Sanders
Cameron Sanders

This video is making even right wing people infuriated

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Charles Jones
Charles Jones

Western states aren't fascist the "left" socdem/radlib argues

Ayden Wood
Ayden Wood

why are proles working

Evan Morgan
Evan Morgan

Radlibs call everything fascist though?

Asher Scott
Asher Scott

just everything that isn't

Jose Campbell
Jose Campbell

joined October 2018
idpoler
shilling hard against the protests
Government bot detected

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Grayson Cruz
Grayson Cruz

Yeah, i refuse to believe that's a real person. Its too caricatured and the concern trolling is too clear.

Elijah Thomas
Elijah Thomas

Is this a parody account?

Asher Anderson
Asher Anderson

they think the imperial core is comfy cozy okey doke until their country's aging bumpkins vote for some kind of shitty religious conservative or a vaguely reactionary figurehead and then it's the fucking end of the world

Gavin Reed
Gavin Reed

I can never tell with this shit
twitter.com/QueerStudent

Xavier Rogers
Xavier Rogers

lel

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Bentley Williams
Bentley Williams

weird, stilted English
complaining of anti-semitism
”they are very violent and have no coherent ideology! They destroy everything!”
mY BIrThDaY mIgHt be CAnceLled!!!
That account glows in the dark. Macron’s running PR

Hunter Robinson
Hunter Robinson

that guy touching his balls

ABSOLUTE PRAXIS

Aiden Scott
Aiden Scott

I’ve been waiting to use this.

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Isaac Evans
Isaac Evans

CLASS CONSCIOUSNESS RISING
DIALECTIC IN MOTION

Iraqi marchers don yellow vests after Paris riots

Hundreds of Iraqis wearing the high-visibility jackets marched in Basra on Tuesday to call for improved services in the country's oil-rich south, where electricity and water supplies are sporadic and unemployment is high.
In Iraq, protesters burnt tyres and chanted slogans outside Basra's provincial council building as riot police moved in to contain the demonstration.
Unverified footage on social media showed protesters throwing missiles. During the ensuing clashes there were reports of live fire being used to disperse the crowd

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Jackson Morris
Jackson Morris

ah, the state's penultimate form
not as though 'evidence' like this makes a difference but I hope this drives things forward instead of backward, like I have a bad feeling that it will

Charles Ortiz
Charles Ortiz

amp.thenational.ae/world/mena/iraqi-marchers-don-yellow-vests-after-paris-riots-1.799395?__twitter_impression=true
Forgot source
Tons of people are talking about it on the #GiletsJaunes hashtag right now

Jonathan White
Jonathan White

ARAB JUCHE IMMINENT
m.youtube.com/watch?v=vi29_4ZQdbU

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Daniel White
Daniel White

Step aside Marx, this theory is the shit

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Hunter Thompson
Hunter Thompson

im sure people grow out of this though, its just this generation's fashionable nonsense

Joseph Stewart
Joseph Stewart

I’d hate to be that dude staring at the ceiling at night ten years from now in bed and cringing

Lucas Nelson
Lucas Nelson

Communist version of Arab Spring when?

Christopher Walker
Christopher Walker

A lot of this will be on permenant record, too.
Especially for zoomers who think you're supposed to broadcast your every thought to social media.
Imagine all the things they'll pray noone finds. Nightmares about people dredging up things they posted as teenagers.

Isaiah Moore
Isaiah Moore

IT'S HAPPENING
IT'S HAPPENING
IT'S HAPPENING
IT'S HAPPENING
IT'S HAPPENING
youtube.com/watch?v=Ta8zihK2HO0

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Jason King
Jason King

Catchy as fuck

Jaxon Cruz
Jaxon Cruz

I honestly feel bad for people like this. If my egocentric adolescent years were on the public record I would honestly feel like killing myself.

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Jeremiah Morgan
Jeremiah Morgan

What did he mean by this?

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Henry Lee
Henry Lee

Bourgeois
getting gouged on fuel you need to go to work
Bourgeois people don't work and only taxes on wealth matter to them, not basic life supplies.

Brayden Perry
Brayden Perry

Also the fact our fucking president is arrogant while belittling the poorer people + the fact our politics are completely disconnected from the empirical life of common people + the fact there is growing resentment for some dude who only got through because of the FN scarecrow and has no real demographic basis but overpaid impostors (the manager class).

Gabriel Turner
Gabriel Turner

He's an accelerationist: he knows Macron using the army will launch a revolution. Support covert comrade cohen.

Brandon Cooper
Brandon Cooper

OY GEVALT I'M CONTACTING THE ADL ABOUT THIS!

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Daniel Roberts
Daniel Roberts

the absolute fucking state of America
Fully support Nazbol Gang's dialectical struggle to nuke the US

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Angel Foster
Angel Foster

Onto the misdeeds of his tribe
I mean that is actually anti-semitic but yeah, running to the ADL after you've just advocated shooting civies…

Anthony Flores
Anthony Flores

it must be a troll account
check out date
8 year old account

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Landon Walker
Landon Walker

running to the ADL after you've just advocated shooting civies
i mean that's zionism 101 tbh

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Bentley Gonzalez
Bentley Gonzalez

I love my country (Israel Flag)
KILL ALL THE PROTESTORS
Zionists revealing themselves as fascists yet again

Sebastian Rivera
Sebastian Rivera

wew

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Jayden Perez
Jayden Perez

fits the stereotype so well it's actually sad

Ethan Smith
Ethan Smith

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Sebastian Campbell
Sebastian Campbell

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Oliver Myers
Oliver Myers

These burgers are in for a real shock when Melenchon gets power…

Asher Reed
Asher Reed

IT'S LIT

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Isaac Phillips
Isaac Phillips

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Jeremiah Perez
Jeremiah Perez

I am literally astounded that people this dumb exist and that 99% of the people posting this shit live in my country. For shame

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Austin Lopez
Austin Lopez

This guy is fucking hilarious.

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Jack Cooper
Jack Cooper

confuse humans to end confusion!
O
F
F

Isaac Wright
Isaac Wright

This is an obvious /pol/ LARP

Anthony Long
Anthony Long

I wish.
joined October 2010

Julian Brooks
Julian Brooks

Joined October 2010

Camden Bell
Camden Bell

He's a walking fucking stereotype.

Anywway, some content

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Joseph Howard
Joseph Howard

So when will Zig Forums publicly renounce ties with this movement when it turns out to be right wingers?

Jordan Morgan
Jordan Morgan

Whom is the harry potter meme referencing?

Ryan Foster
Ryan Foster

These are all burgers mate.

Colton Rogers
Colton Rogers

Dumb burgers on Twitter tell you nothing of people's opinions on the ground.

Eli Gonzalez
Eli Gonzalez

I have doubt that a burger is named "Pierre".
Proofs?

Carson Young
Carson Young

Proof: It's a profoundly stupid opinion only capable of being produced by Americans and those that spend too much time with Americans

Brandon Hughes
Brandon Hughes

"American" is both a nationality and a disease of the mind
t. burger

Sebastian Bell
Sebastian Bell

So there's no proof and you are all wishful thinkings?

So when will Zig Forums publicly renounce all ties, etc?

Joshua James
Joshua James

So when will Zig Forums publicly renounce all ties, etc?
DISAVOW

Angel Nguyen
Angel Nguyen

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Benjamin Cook
Benjamin Cook

Who else?

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Caleb King
Caleb King

Oh, I didn't notice the watermark, I was wondering if Hitler had visited that place and it was a nazi meme.

Justin Nelson
Justin Nelson

I this gets huge and forces Macron to resign. I can't even imagine how much this would galvanize people in other countries

Ethan Phillips
Ethan Phillips

An American being named Pierre is not that crazy. He could be from Louisiana or originally from French Canada.

Isaac Hall
Isaac Hall

race mixing will end racism
*cries* in Brazilian

Jacob Bailey
Jacob Bailey

a brazillian ancap told me it actually did, once

Sebastian Reyes
Sebastian Reyes

2740939
French Revolution 2
implying france only had one revolution

Isaac Gutierrez
Isaac Gutierrez

2740964
2740964
2740975

Still haven't made my video about it
This has devolved into a more comprehensive political history of france project unfortunately. So many things need to be resituated in context.

Colton Sanders
Colton Sanders

I still mantain my guys had a good take on it.
youtube.com/watch?v=6_5gio3yd3A
(For the Anglos pastebin.com/jGrwFuJM )

Joseph Jones
Joseph Jones

unironically linking to action française
here
Lmao. You are a poor, lost, little soul, aren't you?

Jacob Phillips
Jacob Phillips

everyone has to stay in their own bubble forever
brilliant outlook you got there.

Easton Price
Easton Price

Disregarding AF
Bubble
Surely that's a valid and reasonable way to put it.

Sebastian Peterson
Sebastian Peterson

namefagging

Luke Hall
Luke Hall

Or maybe you meant you're leaving your bubble. A commendable action for sure.

Brandon Hall
Brandon Hall

I wish the french didn't have gun control. Then things could really get done.

Jose Morgan
Jose Morgan

Gun control doesn't stop people from getting guns, just look at the third world

Gabriel Scott
Gabriel Scott

Yall got any context for this video? Where is this? When? What is happening?

Elijah Robinson
Elijah Robinson

police and ES joined protestors
Gendarme BTFO
likely a brainlet question, but can we get sources on this

Dylan Reyes
Dylan Reyes

Uh oh

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Daniel Clark
Daniel Clark

this is just proof positive of how universally hated Macron is

Jace Jones
Jace Jones

But I'm not really a leftist, im just an anti-rightist. Whatever anyone on the right says, I have to fight it. If they hate macaron, I must support him against the nazi scum.

Brandon Murphy
Brandon Murphy

Wow what a fucking moron you are.

Hunter Wood
Hunter Wood

antifa, is that u

Grayson Ross
Grayson Ross

fake Twitter account (doesn’t exist)
archive link leads to nothing
road sign looks like it’s covered in Chinese letters
Don’t be rused, comrades.

Tyler Reyes
Tyler Reyes

the account is real and the archive link works fine.
Though I cant account for why the sign looks like its mandarin or something

Lincoln Watson
Lincoln Watson

caring about what zionists think regardless

Charles Evans
Charles Evans

Did the archive link work for you? I typed it in and it said “not found”

Justin Davis
Justin Davis

you must have mistook a character somewhere.
The archive link didnt actually show the tweet, but it did find something, and the url directed to a real tweet on a real account.
twitter.com/Brigadejuive/status/1070288691673948160

Connor Russell
Connor Russell

leftpol and leftypol both silent on France, threads are dead
No leftists personalities talking about it

Why so much radio silence?

Ayden Miller
Ayden Miller

leftpol and leftypol both silent on France, threads are dead
it's 4 in the morning you dumb cunt

Charles Parker
Charles Parker

its a mob full of all sorts of different kinds of people unhappy for different reasons. Trying to give it an explicit cause is the fastest way to make it die. If we want some head choppings its best to just watch and see what happens.

I feel any western revolution is good because it would show western revolution is possible, and so im rooting for some quality guillotining regardless of what the retrospective ideological bases is.

Benjamin Allen
Benjamin Allen

Reiterating. Have the emergency services mutineed, and have the gendarme been rekt.

Jaxson Torres
Jaxson Torres

Google french police union etrike

Adrian Anderson
Adrian Anderson

Saturday is going to be crazy. This article says that 89,000 members of “the forces of order” are going to be deployed on Saturday, of which 8,000 will be in Paris, including the entire gendarmerie and armored vehicles. The prime minister is promising “special means” for this date too. I’m not very good at French but that’s all I could pull out of the article, maybe some native-speakers could give us some more details on what the GJs and unions are planning on doing that day. I don’t want people to die but if we were to get a “Blood Sunday” like Russia in 1905, it will be Saturday.

Anything I’m missing, Frenchbros?

lemonde.fr/police-justice/article/2018/12/06/gilets-jaunes-appels-au-calme-et-moyens-exceptionnels-le-point-sur-le-dispositif-de-securite-de-samedi_5393697_1653578.html

Christopher Jackson
Christopher Jackson

This is it if anything. If no leftist frenchies capitalize on this, you really can't say the moment never came.

Eli Cooper
Eli Cooper

good morning

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Levi Stewart
Levi Stewart

- they used a strategy called "fan zone" earlier which consists in "giving" protesters a dedicated zone that's encircled and which entrances are controlled
- order was given to avoid getting too upclose
- now lighter units will be able to do that, but of course it's more risky
- calls to "reasonable" yellow jackets to renounce solidarity with the meanies
- some sports garbage were cancelled
- "i-it's the ultra-right and the ultra-left!!"
- "they're radicalizing!"
- Eric Drouet, one of the """representative""" that got on tv somehow called to "march on the "Élysée" (White House)

Asher Bell
Asher Bell

morning friend

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Julian Lopez
Julian Lopez

Good morning French and other comrades. To the French comrades: I wish that your streets will be filled with the blood of the bourgeoisie and that capitalists shall be hanging on the Champs-Élysées

Jack Diaz
Jack Diaz

what is he talking about french friends??

lci.fr/direct/#spark_wn=1

Ryan Morris
Ryan Morris

Parisian here, I'll be going to the protest tomorow. What should I discuss with other yellow fests I will encounter? What should be my talking points? Help me comrades this is important.

Pour les parisiens qui lurkeraient ici, il y a un rdv demain donné par les cheminots de SUD rails et le collectif ADAMA à 10h à Saint-Lazard direction bien sûr Champs-Élysées. Ceux qui voudraient me rejoindre là bas vous pouvez me contacter sur le mail ci-dessous, je promets que je ne suis pas de la DGSI ni ne veut prélever vos organes (pas tous en tout cas) : [email protected]nmail.com

Adrian Kelly
Adrian Kelly

Fuck that's the picture I wanted to post with my initial post.

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Henry Green
Henry Green

Parisian here, I'll be going to the protest tomorow. What should I discuss with other yellow fests I will encounter? What should be my talking points? Help me comrades this is important.
I think you should talk like this:

youtube.com/watch?v=OtYTSx32hOY

Sebastian Martinez
Sebastian Martinez

Quelques idées.
Ça serait quand même bien de faire un peu plus de symbolique qui veuille vraiment dire quelque chose, style siège du Medef (ou de LREM). Les Champs ça va 5 minutes. Je comprend pas pourquoi ça n'arrive pas. Enfin je dis ça en tant que spectateur passif jusqu'ici.
Y'a aussi ça : revolutionpermanente.fr/Les-directions-syndicales-repondent-a-l-appel-de-Macron-pour-maintenir-l-ordre-contre-les-gilets

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William Morgan
William Morgan

Talk about the Paris Commune to them: how they went around organising a government based on the people with common ownership against the "elites". Cloak it all in nationalism and they'll think it's the best thing since sliced bread.
Oh also gather some comrades and sing L'internationale at some point: in the minds of the other protesters it will associate the song with the movement.

Juan Clark
Juan Clark

this is impressive just for the ability to disregard reality.

Luis Perry
Luis Perry

Lol this shit is delusional, we are nowhere close to even a pre-revolutionary situation in the west. What will happen is CGT will assume the lead of the movement, make demands of Macron that are granted and the whole thing will fizzle out

Caleb Sullivan
Caleb Sullivan

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Brandon Price
Brandon Price

pretty sure he's not using his real name, but yeah.
Looking back at any old posts makes me want to killy myself.

Matthew Rogers
Matthew Rogers

That

There is everything in the movement from skinhead fascists to anarchist.

Macron has manage to piss off quite a large range of people mostly by being condescending.
There was a couple of occasion where he was down right insulting to some poor prole desperately asking for his help.
He's really acting more like a spoiled king then a president. French don't really like that shit.
If you add to that taxing them thats the final straw.
You can only only piss on people for so long.

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Brandon Kelly
Brandon Kelly

Macron: La République, En Marche!
La République: Goes En Marche! to get rid of Macron

Logan Hill
Logan Hill

If you can bring a gun, if you don’t own one steel one. The military will have them.

Sebastian Parker
Sebastian Parker

silent
one cycling thread which by now has probably over a thousand posts
a thread before that with about 500 posts
what?

Dominic Robinson
Dominic Robinson

Poor, wretched, and stupid peoples, nations determined on your own misfortune and blind to your own good! You let yourselves be deprived before your own eyes of the best part of your revenues; your fields are plundered, your homes robbed, your family heirlooms taken away. You live in such a way that you cannot claim a single thing as your own; and it would seem that you consider yourselves lucky to be loaned your property, your families, and your very lives. All this havoc, this misfortune, this ruin, descends upon you not from alien foes, but from the one enemy whom you yourselves render as powerful as he is, for whom you go bravely to war, for whose greatness you do not refuse to offer your own bodies unto death. He who thus domineers over you has only two eyes, only two hands, only one body, no more than is possessed by the least man among the infinite numbers dwelling in your cities; he has indeed nothing more than the power that you confer upon him to destroy you. Where has he acquired enough eyes to spy upon you, if you do not provide them yourselves? How can he have so many arms to beat you with, if he does not borrow them from you? The feet that trample down your cities, where does he get them if they are not your own? How does he have any power over you except through you? How would he dare assail you if he had no cooperation from you? What could he do to you if you yourselves did not connive with the thief who plunders you, if you were not accomplices of the murderer who kills you, if you were not traitors to yourselves? You sow your crops in order that he may ravage them, you install and furnish your homes to give him goods to pillage; you rear your daughters that he may gratify his lust; you bring up your children in order that he may confer upon them the greatest privilege he knows — to be led into his battles, to be delivered to butchery, to be made the servants of his greed and the instruments of his vengeance; you yield your bodies unto hard labor in order that he may indulge in his delights and wallow in his filthy pleasures; you weaken yourselves in order to make him the stronger and the mightier to hold you in check.

La Boétie.

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Andrew Miller
Andrew Miller

GENERAL STRIKE

leftvoice.org/French-Socialists-Call-for-General-Strike-to-Oust-Macron-Abolish-Senate?var_mode=calcul

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Asher Cook
Asher Cook

Abolish Senate

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Christian Jackson
Christian Jackson

There is HUGE outrage in France regarding that classroom of 12 years old kids being threatened by cops.

Jayden Roberts
Jayden Roberts

Elaborate

Cooper Long
Cooper Long

rt.com/news/445819-france-students-arrest-video/

Gabriel Flores
Gabriel Flores

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Hudson Williams
Hudson Williams

French
"Mom"
GLOW IN THE DARK

Tyler Stewart
Tyler Stewart

We are nowhere near a pre-revolutionary situation
Yeah that's why the rural working class is effectively shutting down France right now, because we aren't near a pre-revolutionary situation…

Jason Flores
Jason Flores

French """""socialists"""""really hates the left wing huh.

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Zachary Long
Zachary Long

That's from the NPA: while their leader is very popular (He's known as the nation's favourite postman) it in terms of size or electoral support is tiny. Don't get too hyped fromt hat…

Owen Long
Owen Long

Support the ball-scratching rebel. He is the 21st century Liberté leading the people.

Liam Wright
Liam Wright

2nd part of CrimethInc's analysis of the movement

crimethinc.com/2018/12/06/the-movement-as-battleground-fighting-for-the-soul-of-the-yellow-vest-movement

Elijah Evans
Elijah Evans

I'm confused, wouldn't it make more sense to remove her? Unless their plan was to turn her into a puppet

Aaron Turner
Aaron Turner

Just because a party has "socialist" in their name, does not make it true. And just like every single worthless Eurocom party, it was taken over by neolibs, barely better than Macaroni.

Never ever trust chosen pronouns.

Wyatt Garcia
Wyatt Garcia

the FN party is supposed to be a boogeyman,not something that actually win,just a fake opposition "beaten" by the true winning party who is "against fascism" and all of that crap,so yes of course the whole plan is to use it the way it always was,like a puppet

Noah Stewart
Noah Stewart

The PS wasn't Eurocomm (that's the PCF), it became neolib Socdem in the 2010s. But yeah.

Colton Hill
Colton Hill

CrimethInc

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Nolan Harris
Nolan Harris

We’re not at the verge of a socialist state 1917-style, we’re on the verge of a 1905 “dress rehearsal” if this gets anywhere even close to succeeding, especially with the expected police response tomorrow. Not to downplay what they’re doing though, I fully support what the GJs are doing

Brayden Robinson
Brayden Robinson

Hey, we all need to rehearse before the main show

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Camden Wood
Camden Wood

Welp, JVPITER is going to play every card in his maze before surrender.
theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/07/armoured-vehicles-deployed-paris-combat-gilets-jaunes

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Jaxon White
Jaxon White

I wouldn't be surprised if he went for false flag terrorist attacks tomorrow

Anthony Morales
Anthony Morales

In any case, it's going to flare up big time over the weekend

Jackson Wilson
Jackson Wilson

I never thought I’d be brushing up on my high-school French so much in the last few days

Zachary Wood
Zachary Wood

same here

Samuel Scott
Samuel Scott

explain exploitation and how 50% of your income goes to your bosses

Aiden Baker
Aiden Baker

When will the international brigades start hiring?

Joseph Ortiz
Joseph Ortiz

Parisian user here, should I wear this tomorow, a titoist Serbian friend gave it to me back in high school? I would really like to wear this but I fear I would get targeted and arrested by the cops.

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Josiah Green
Josiah Green

I’d try to look as inconspicuous as possible, especially if you plan on doing any smashy stuff.
Soon.

Camden Taylor
Camden Taylor

Is that actually from Tito Yugoslavia?

Henry Collins
Henry Collins

this looks more like an artifact than actual gear, id wear a bike helmet and some gloves and try and look normal as possible

Landon Jones
Landon Jones

also a waterbottle and write a lawyers number on your arm in pen that isn't going to sweat off

Xavier Robinson
Xavier Robinson

Yes, but be careful.

John Rodriguez
John Rodriguez

Don't take historical pieces out to protest, no matter the symbolism. History is not a toy to be brandied about for looks.

Adam Bailey
Adam Bailey

My Serbian friend bought it at a flea market in Serbia but it's from the 80's after Tito's death.
Don't worry it's not my 1st protest even though it'll be my first yellow vest one.
I won't do any smashy stuff, it's illegal and I am an upstanding citizen. If I would I wouldn't post here especially since B.O banned every Tor ip address. But I don't care about that because i won't break any laws, I really like the laws of my country and my government. ; )

Leo Sullivan
Leo Sullivan

I won't, it's dear to me and reminds me of my high school years. I entertained the idea just for fun and like I said I won't need it because I am an upstanding citizen.

Nathan Jones
Nathan Jones

Is that actually from Tito Yugoslavia?
Tito Yugoslavia
have a 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧you🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

Joseph Collins
Joseph Collins

that was probably the most frightening ball-scratch of his life

Isaiah Cooper
Isaiah Cooper

I was about to roast you for being a cuck to bourgeois laws then I read into it more. Stayed based comrade

Cooper Miller
Cooper Miller

he doesn't remember the helmets of Euromaidan

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William Sullivan
William Sullivan

Uh ok

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Bentley Ortiz
Bentley Ortiz

marianne.net/societe/les-greves-en-semaine-il-faut-les-faire-la-cgt-de-martinez-envisage-des-actions-locales-avec?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1544194509
lexpansion.lexpress.fr/actualite-economique/fo-et-cgt-levent-le-preavis-de-greve-pour-les-routiers_2052266.html
leparisien.fr/economie/gilets-jaunes-les-syndicats-face-a-la-colere-de-leur-base-06-12-2018-7962702.php

I am confused. Are the trade unions withdrawing support from the movement?

Cooper Miller
Cooper Miller

Probably trying to balance support for the movement with looking like they aren't calling for violence, since they can be legally challenged if they look like they are calling for violence, and Macron is planning to larp a military dictatorship soon.

Alexander Cook
Alexander Cook

They met with the govt and got minor concessions but the grip of central bureaux of trade unions on the yellow vest is very minor if not negligible.

Carson Bell
Carson Bell

They never really supported the movement anyway.

Kevin Cooper
Kevin Cooper

reminder

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Angel Lopez
Angel Lopez

They are uneasy with the movement because there are lingering popular sentiments within it that they disapprove of. For example, one of the shared topic on the main Facebook pages of gilets jaunes is that Macron is trying to stealthily pass the UN pact on migration to make it easier to import cheaper foreign workers. The pact is theoretically non-binding but French courts (and the ECHR) have relied on non-binding parts of treaties in the past to justify binding judicial rulings so they are probably right to worry to a degree.

Alexander Moore
Alexander Moore

That is contrasting the CGT and the CFDT: the former is a "syndicalist" trade union while the later is obsessively Gaullist. The latter's leadership is naturally fucking out (because they are a cuck union) but the CGT is supporting the yellow vests.

Wyatt Rogers
Wyatt Rogers

Please tell me this isn't another May 68 moment

Gavin Diaz
Gavin Diaz

It's not: Dr Gaulle won that because he rallied the rural working class to his side (being the saviour of France and everything), Macron will never do that because this started as an uprising of the paysans. The unions couldn't end this if they tried to…

Julian Lee
Julian Lee

trade-union leadership being reactionary
I’m not surprised

Nathan Garcia
Nathan Garcia

Definitely not. Mai 68 was led by well-educated students from good families living in large urban centers. Gilets jaunes are proles from the countryside or middle and smaller towns.

Connor Rivera
Connor Rivera

So does this mean that the right will be able to scoop these people up now that the basic bitch socdems got the tiny concessions they wanted?

Leo Wright
Leo Wright

cfdt.fr/portail/presse/communiques-de-presse/declaration-des-organisations-syndicales-cfdt-cgt-fo-cfe-cgc-cftc-unsa-et-fsu-srv1_631623

I guess this is the report that is making everyone mad

Jayden Hill
Jayden Hill

No. Right-wing parties have no hold on the movement at all. Right-wing ideas on the other hand…

Leo Anderson
Leo Anderson

cheaper foreign workers
People are worried about that for a reason.
paulcockshott.wordpress.com/2016/06/28/trades-unionism-and-migration/
I showed in my last post how migration increases the exploitation of the working classes by the employing class. This has become the deliberate and conscious policy of the rulers of the European Union…
His recommendation:
enact legislation prohibiting the employment of foreign labour at below local union rates, and stipulating that all workers coming into the country to work must join the appropriate local union.

Ethan Lopez
Ethan Lopez

enact legislation prohibiting the employment of foreign labour at below local union rates, and stipulating that all workers coming into the country to work must join the appropriate local union.
This. The solution is so bloody simple that it amazes me that anyone still takes the migrant workers debate seriously.

Colton Morgan
Colton Morgan

Macron est le candidat des banques
Frappez-le là où ça fait mal : à la banque
Videz vos comptes, retirez tout, achetez de la bouffe et grève générale

Lincoln Perez
Lincoln Perez

Based.

Aaron Edwards
Aaron Edwards

idgi; so French unions want open borders (i.e., to fuck the workers over)?

Sebastian Thomas
Sebastian Thomas

They're more worried that A) It will lead to bone-headed reactionaryism B) will lead to more anti-UN sentiment (which the unions wanted to avoid due to pro-labour regulations being used by them to fight national trade union restrictions) and C) will lead to more racism as a rule.
Also the UN migration pact is literally fucking nothing: like most UN pacts.

Jordan Taylor
Jordan Taylor

What do you think the pact actually says? Have you read it?

Josiah Evans
Josiah Evans

McRon is going all out, exceptionally, the Gendarmerie is unretiring some police armoured vehicles from the 70's which are known for their use in violent shitholes like Kosovo and the Ivory Coast.
Needless to say, people are not impressed.

leparisien.fr/faits-divers/les-vbrg-ces-blindes-qui-seront-deployes-exceptionnellement-a-paris-samedi-07-12-2018-7962834.php

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Nathaniel Long
Nathaniel Long

I somehow doubt it'll be enough. if the protestors are serious, they can box in and overrun them

John Jackson
John Jackson

Fuck me that looks 70's as fuck…

Sebastian Rodriguez
Sebastian Rodriguez

The UN migration pact is a pledge by various countries to “use scientific based evidence for the crafting of “sensible” migration policies.” A signatory country could have anything from Open Boarders to a wall of soldiers on the boarder and still be following the agreement.

Charles Cooper
Charles Cooper

Aren’t 70s viechals Gas Gusslers. There goes Macron’s “ecological” argument.

Colton Parker
Colton Parker

Oh Look it's a "Leak"
my.mixtape.moe/oylcdd.pdf

Jaxson Gomez
Jaxson Gomez

i'll work on a translation.

Thomas Hall
Thomas Hall

Yorarien qui disez
humanite.fr/il-y-la-volonte-que-les-collegues-se-lachent-664783

Grayson Reed
Grayson Reed

poutine

lol is that a joke, or how his name is spelled in France.

Do French people eat poutine?

Isaac Richardson
Isaac Richardson

that's how you say his name,pretty easy joke btw

John Bennett
John Bennett

touésoucontrol

Landon Morris
Landon Morris

2738977
It doesnt matter because I don't like it
Like literally nobody uses Zig Forums.
Everyone uses twitter and shit.

Samuel Murphy
Samuel Murphy

Archive and machine translation:
web.archive.org/web/20181207202114/https://my.mixtape.moe/oylcdd.pdf
archive.is/PptWN

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Eli Stewart
Eli Stewart

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Jackson Martinez
Jackson Martinez

nice try
What did he mean by this?

Carter Walker
Carter Walker

Unironically "nice try attempting to get me to advocate race mixing for anyone but white people".

Levi Gonzalez
Levi Gonzalez

Nah, he meant race mixing for everyone but Jews, because like all zionists he is an ethnonationalist. wipipo do not enter the equitation

Noah Campbell
Noah Campbell

they're psychotically hell-bent on being everything the schizos stereotype them as.

Levi Peterson
Levi Peterson

not my best work, but should be readable

filedropper.com/translation_1
wouldn't let me directly upload it. it's just a .doc file but oh fucking well.

Colton Davis
Colton Davis

In a sense Israel is Hitler having the last laugh. Welcome to hellworld.

Jordan Hernandez
Jordan Hernandez

hellworld

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Anthony Jones
Anthony Jones

What the fuck I love Macron now.

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Mason Jones
Mason Jones

Can someone translate this for me? Why is CGT distancing themselves from YV yet these CGTs seem to want to join in

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John Brown
John Brown

Conservatives should try to be scared of protesters overthrowing Macron, because this could give the burger proles some new ideas how to deal with their own corrupt government.

Kayden Reed
Kayden Reed

Burgers are hopeless retards.

David Smith
David Smith

elect astroturfed-to-hell-and-back autistic technocrat instead of Le Pen because "at least Macron's not a fascist"
aforementioned autistic technocrat slashes spending and raises taxes
SACRE BLEU ZIS IS AN OUTRAGE!

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Charles Stewart
Charles Stewart

I assume it meant the menorah and the showerheads.

Hunter Cook
Hunter Cook

France and Mexico need to be nuked. Laughing out loud!!

Joseph Rogers
Joseph Rogers

elect democrat
elect democrat
elect democrat
elect democrat
elect democrat
elect democrat
elect democrat

John Hernandez
John Hernandez

Richard Wolff on Gilets jaunes: "What's going on in France is one of the most profound moment in modern history"
youtube.com/watch?v=9QsipcJi8GA?t=2810

Brody Cox
Brody Cox

gallic modesty

Austin Powell
Austin Powell

Eh Russia was a feudal shithole out in the middle of a frozen hellscape. Shit can happen anywhere.

Ryan Ramirez
Ryan Ramirez

Not really.

Jason Robinson
Jason Robinson

wish I could watch this but hipsters repulse. can I get a tldr?

Alexander Lewis
Alexander Lewis

It's around 46:50.

Joshua Jackson
Joshua Jackson

Parisian here.
I'm going to bed, I need rest before going to the protest tomorow.
I hope I won't get arrested or mutilated by police armaments. I would lie to you if I told you I wasn't afraid but that's what the state and porkies want me to be, and to be honest I can't call myself a communist if tomorow I stay in my armchair.
I hope I will be shitposting with you all tomorow night!

Justin Moore
Justin Moore

Good luck!

Eli Perry
Eli Perry

Listen to what more experienced people tell you and stay safe.

Caleb Bailey
Caleb Bailey

you should make a thread and post noteworthy images of the protests

Liam King
Liam King

Reminder that all of this could have been prevented if France had Swiss democracy, where the people can vote against what the government decides. This is not capitalism's fault, it shows how outdated the French democracy is compared to the Swiss'. (why isn't there a swiss flag yet?)

Joseph Harris
Joseph Harris

bonne chance, we are with you.

Gavin Ross
Gavin Ross

Even Swiss democracy is failing though. There has been several times in the last five years where the result of a referendum was gutted when translated in law because it would have otherwise run against international treaties with the EU.

John Adams
John Adams

This is not capitalism's fault

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Asher Walker
Asher Walker

how do succdems still exist after the regulation-killing cancer that was the 80s?

Chase White
Chase White

sauce?

Nolan Wood
Nolan Wood

They don't want to join in. They say that why CGT should remain independent of the gilets jaunes, it should also talk with them. This is in line with the direction given by the central leadership. Also, they say that in any case, unions should focus on their own actions and prepare a massive strike on the 14th.

Charles Taylor
Charles Taylor

Sous les pavés, la plage! Best of luck comrade

Isaac Gutierrez
Isaac Gutierrez

Stay safe and give ‘em hell tomorrow. We’re rooting for you, comrade

James Morgan
James Morgan

This is not capitalism's fault

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Zachary Gonzalez
Zachary Gonzalez

God be with you user, for you are in the weeks when decades happen.

Easton Barnes
Easton Barnes

Not a bad move per se, and focusing efforts towards a general strike on the 14th might have more dirth.

Hudson Miller
Hudson Miller

we are responsible for the countries with the highest living standards in the world

Jeremiah Brown
Jeremiah Brown

The not even, as per HDI 3 / 10 are social democracies and one of them isn't neolib (Iceland).

William Johnson
William Johnson

Just remember that revolution won’t just happen. We all HAVE to make it happen. If Revolution succeeds in France, it will spread throughout the world.

Asher Sanchez
Asher Sanchez

mfw this succeeds and Jason Unruhe commits suicide

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Josiah Jones
Josiah Jones

He wants the GJ/YV to fail? Strange.

Leo Adams
Leo Adams

it's a meme of him being third worldist

Connor Evans
Connor Evans

Pretty excited to see the looming, imminent collapse of the French, American and British governments

John Rogers
John Rogers

He's doing his usual spiel on how the GJs are "first-worldist" and don't have revolutionary potential.

Luis Wright
Luis Wright

Fuck, I wish people would stand up here in America. It's hard to predict what will happen if the events in France become even more in our favor, but if people start doing something here I'm definitely going out and joining them. I was too young and mostly apolitical during Occupy. If anything happened here it won't be until the economy implodes in a year or two.

Nathaniel Johnson
Nathaniel Johnson

Tomorrow the happenings start. Sleep tight leftypol, it may be your last night in the old world.

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Daniel Gray
Daniel Gray

Things are going to get pretty tasty in the coming years. as a previous user said, Kaiserreich wasn't set 100 years in the past, but the future. 2036, not 1936. Commune of France and Union of Britain, calling it now.

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Isaiah Hernandez
Isaiah Hernandez

We are in the time of monsters.

Brayden Turner
Brayden Turner

Can I get a translation, tovarisch?

Tyler Stewart
Tyler Stewart

I'm 99% sure it says "snap, yep, that's one's going into my cringe collection"

Colton Cruz
Colton Cruz

At least this will provide some work for mechanics

Jacob Watson
Jacob Watson

How bad of a ruler is Macron to cause Anarchists and Fascists, the most polar opposite ever of people, to wanna kick your ass?

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Nolan Lewis
Nolan Lewis

Twitter Thread
twitter.com/PedderSophie/status/1069516102131167232

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Cooper Carter
Cooper Carter

anti-political movement
lol

Daniel Evans
Daniel Evans

Class interests are more powerful at motivating people than ideology.

Logan Lopez
Logan Lopez

anarchists/neo-fascists

NAZBOL GANG COMING FOR JEW

THE GLOBALIST FEARS THE BLACK BROWN ALLIANCE

Owen Rivera
Owen Rivera

trannies did 9/11

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Jack Ross
Jack Ross

A BAS L'ETAT ET LE GOUVERNEMENT JUIF

Parker Gutierrez
Parker Gutierrez

archists aren't naz or bol though

Justin Cooper
Justin Cooper

Everyone now days is bourgeoisified. No one wants to organize for the collective good of mankind. People just want to kiss the capitalists butts for slightly higher wages.The only way the working class could be woken up at this point is to have some kind of global economic collapse and make everyone homeless.

Dominic Gonzalez
Dominic Gonzalez

Everyone now days is bourgeoisified.
t. bourgeoisified individual

Nathaniel Taylor
Nathaniel Taylor

Everyone now days is bourgeoisified. No one wants to organize for the collective good of mankind
Your ideas are several weeks out of date

Tyler Jackson
Tyler Jackson

Can confirm, am going to kick bourgeois ass if I'm still drunk enough tomorrow
A BAS LES VOLEURS
NI DROITE, NI GAUCHE, MONARCHIE POPULAIRE
RADICAL MUSLIM-CATHOLIC ALLIANCE AGAINST GODLESS ATHEISTS
youtube.com/watch?v=bbQ9wYHeY0c

Hudson Adams
Hudson Adams

DEUS VULT== ==DEUS VULT== ==DEUS VULT== ==DEUS VULT== ==DEUS VULT== ==DEUS VULT

Angel Gutierrez
Angel Gutierrez

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Kayden Kelly
Kayden Kelly

C A M A R A D E ;_;7
youtube.com/watch?v=OP0Dj5vVF7I
EN DÉPIT DES JUIFS ET DES ALLEMANDS
RESTAURER LE ROI JEAN

Isaac Price
Isaac Price

anti-political movement
that's protesting taxes
and predominantly hates a politician

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William Watson
William Watson

Has anyone tried organizing solidarity marches or some such fun out of France? I've been in contact with every Communist/Socialist party in my area, but people just seem content to "keep an eye on thesituation".

I mean I'm a complete armchair revolutionary, and don't wanna shit on veteran organizers, but what the fuck? Isn't this precisely the sort of situation we're just supposed to seize? Are these people just waiting around for the masses to suddenly become Leninists, or amI just being an inpatient asshole here?

Brayden Adams
Brayden Adams

BRING BACK FRANCE, BY ALL MEANS, EVEN LEGAL ONES
t. Mauras
RAAAAAAAAAH WE'RE BREAKING THE CONDITIONING
FUCK MACRON AND FUCK LIBERALISM.

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Luke Thomas
Luke Thomas

I mean it is slightly too early to be declaring solidarity with the french revolution, might change after tomorrow though.

Adam Green
Adam Green

I would say to gather as many people from those organizations and organize. Even if the leaders of said organizations don't want to organize. If you're a Socialist/Communist in France and you're sitting around like a little pussy waiting for the revolution to come to you then you're a dumbfuck.

Benjamin Cook
Benjamin Cook

There are already a lot of people organizing and marching out there, but the situation is not (as of yet) ready for an organized class movement against Macron, even as the scope has expanded far past the taxes now. While there is a visible slant towards leftism atm, it still is not quite a leftist movement.

Austin Green
Austin Green

You know, the whole point of a socialist organisation is to make movements like this into socialist movements. Whichever way you spin it, it's still stupid

Cameron Hill
Cameron Hill

So your job is to make it leftist isn't it

Easton Collins
Easton Collins

To be clear, I'm not in France, otherwise I'd just be hitting the streets. I was just thinking some international solidarity might help nudge the movement a bit to the Left.

Yea, I get that it's early, but I thought the decent Commie thing to do is to get in as soon as there's signs of potential, and do all you can to push it as far as possible.

Logan Garcia
Logan Garcia

and it probably won't be, if you're actually looking at the political trajectory of Europe

Gabriel Campbell
Gabriel Campbell

Nouveaux Philosophe shits his pantaloons

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Elijah Lopez
Elijah Lopez

Jvptier isn't dethroned in a day comrades, this movement is still plenty young and the left is still hella weak atm. I wouldn't count on this being an October Revolution, but it'll put the communists on the political map if they play their cards right.
France has flirted with leftism plenty of times in the past, they likely will do again. Macron's Neo-Gaulism is not panning out well, and Le Penn just has a solid base of some racist old Vichy sympathizers and zoomers and basically nobody else. Leftism is the only alternative for the French people.

Noah Brown
Noah Brown

Not really: members of the GJ aren't gonna give a shit if people in Spokane march in solidarity. It's not gonna make them change their political views. Capitalising on its success however, is a good thing to aim for. I mean the concept is being floated now that workers come to protests in their work gear: which is inspired.

Samuel Russell
Samuel Russell

your defeatism is unimpressive.

Cooper Miller
Cooper Miller

Let's not kid ourselves, is all I'm saying. I'm looking at the way Le Pen and her people are maneuvering and how she directly dove into this without much resistance. This isn't a left-wing movement, at least not right now

Christopher Watson
Christopher Watson

None of this is an argument for sitting on your ass and doing nothing. You should be out there from day one, not swoop in oppurtunistically once the masses are "sufficiently leftist" to your taste. You're not gonna somehow make things worse by joining now, why fucking wait?

Tyler Clark
Tyler Clark

How Le Pen is maneuvering is the bare minimum of what Socialists should be doing. It's not surprising she hasn't met a ton of resistance, since people are more busy hating Jvpiter. Mass movements like tgis don't just start out Red, they're signs of a population ready to throw down. The job of the Communists, as I see it, is to be there from the beginning to rally people and make it Red. Sadly, the Right is better at this atm. Bannon calls himself a Leninist ffs.

You're right in that we shouldn't get overly hyped. But if your predictions turn out to be correct, it's not because the rioters are too "bourgeoise", it's because the Left does fuck all, while the Right does all they can.

Christopher Stewart
Christopher Stewart

France is an extremely imperialist country and as such has a potent element of reaction among its population. I wouldn't be surprised if these protests ended up being coopted by reactionaries.

Jeremiah Wilson
Jeremiah Wilson

GANG GANG

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Jack Brown
Jack Brown

does that mean what I think it means

Justin Torres
Justin Torres

What do you think it means?

Charles Howard
Charles Howard

well, what else, that the leaker was nazbol gang

Samuel Bailey
Samuel Bailey

I was more thinking that the leaked document would make things even more of a clusterfuck

Jace Allen
Jace Allen

French police are staffed by Nazbol
Macron on suicide watch

Kevin Clark
Kevin Clark

GANG GANG GANG GANG

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Thomas Collins
Thomas Collins

The thread where it is from if you want it
archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/195916817
The American three posts down

Noah White
Noah White

The rioters aren't bourgeoise, as far as I can tell this movement includes every political tendency in some way and is mostly just anti-authority rather than left or right per se, I think. The thing is, with the current anxieties in Europe, the political trajectory, the booming of the right-wing and the explosion of nationalism, the tainting of the left at the hands of the increasingly weak old guard socdems of Europe, it will take some serious work to keep the right from making this their own, and judging by the way National Front has objectively benefited from this, it's hard to say otherwise.

Blake Moore
Blake Moore

Students marching in paris earlier today.
Also saw a ussr flag.

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Chase Wright
Chase Wright

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Probably because their thread is 99% redtext and shitposts about Jews

Cameron Smith
Cameron Smith

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because there's more of them?
this website is basically 4chan if it was run the way /pol/ wanted

Charles Roberts
Charles Roberts

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who cares? Let them have their shitshow, I'm glad they aren't spamming their burgershit here

William Baker
William Baker

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At the protesters, not at the police.

Michael Thompson
Michael Thompson

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the first shot never shuts anything down

Kayden Howard
Kayden Howard

It does if itcomes from an already popular movement. Were the gov to shoot the protesters, then it would swing massively the other way.

Benjamin Green
Benjamin Green

I guess you are right there

Christopher Ramirez
Christopher Ramirez

These police deserve bullets. I've seen how they act on stream

Jackson Jones
Jackson Jones

instagram.com/p/BrIdiD1B1E0/
When upholding Andersonist thought is taken to its logical conclusion

Charles Rivera
Charles Rivera

pariscucks quit for today? at least touluse still has happenings

Samuel Rodriguez
Samuel Rodriguez

All Frenchannons, arm yourselves. You can’t topple Macron if your unarmed. youtube.com/watch?v=mHAO8oxwioU

Logan Stewart
Logan Stewart

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So this is the age demographics of france, roughly 30-35 million of that 60 million are not of rioting age. So with 60,000 out on the streets that's about 5% of the population eligible to be on the streets.

Deduct from that 30 million disabled people, temporarily sick people, people with dependants young and old, people who can't just leave work because they are on the edge economically (in a protest just before christmas)

Camden Roberts
Camden Roberts

Do not confuse what is on your screen with reality.

Austin Johnson
Austin Johnson

*600,000 out on the streets

Luke Long
Luke Long

Paris is still crazy today, watch RT

Cooper Butler
Cooper Butler

someone is moaning in the distance on stream

Joshua Rogers
Joshua Rogers

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Ryder Perry
Ryder Perry

What the fuck just happened to the cameraman on Ruptly? Was he hit by something?

Luke Ross
Luke Ross

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Le Pen wouldn't be interested in a revolution, courting the older generation is just electoral politics 101 since they on average have a higher turn out and are more likely to lean right. Btw Fascists have never actually had a single revolution in history, usually some small cabal of dark triad personalities attempt to build a movement and when capitalism starts to fail it gains the support of petit-bourgs and can corral some lumpen. Then when there is a legitimate threat presented to the Bourgeois state by a Far Left movement said True Believers Collaborate with the Bourgeoisie, instituting them in a fake "coup".

Zachary Morris
Zachary Morris

Btw Fascists have never actually had a single revolution in history
this is what so many people fail to realize. a bunch of young motivated people aren't going to try to turn the government into a nazi "paradise"

Brody Sanders
Brody Sanders

Btw stop replying to the obvious fed in this thread, their posts are straight out of a cointelpro handbook whether they're actually being paid to do it or not.

Cooper Scott
Cooper Scott

the obvious fed in this thread
who?

Julian Miller
Julian Miller

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Le Pen is supported by the old people

the boomers were too scard to loose their pensions with her.

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Dominic Jones
Dominic Jones

hoping we get more of this tomorrow

Jayden Clark
Jayden Clark

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Jaxson Torres
Jaxson Torres

The guy spewing defeatism whilst simultaneously screeching about people not storming parliament and other such nonsense. Concern Trolling followed by calls for extreme positions are wrecker tactics 101, which is sad because they're probably not even an actual fed, considering Zig Forums is a backwater in the grand scheme of things. Their mind is literally spooked by spooks.

Joseph Brown
Joseph Brown

The guy spewing defeatism whilst simultaneously screeching about people not storming parliament and other such nonsense
Those sound like different people to me, fam

Jack Lopez
Jack Lopez

I never said Le Pen was supported by older generations, only that it's a typical electoral tactic for right wingers to attempt to court them, regardless of it's success. I'm not French so I'll defer to anyone who has a grasp of the peculiarties of their politics.

Angel Fisher
Angel Fisher

no it's 100% of what Twitter third worldists do all the fucking time.

Cameron Turner
Cameron Turner

2744653
The French people are crying out! They say: We want Donald Trump!!!!

Lucas Green
Lucas Green

I said older people in the south,, her northern electorate is more working age.

Cooper Allen
Cooper Allen

These are all the same poster

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Kevin Foster
Kevin Foster

2744655
She does have the working class youth. Where she is really failing is among the more affluent and educated urban youth and of course the ever larger share of youth with migrant backgrounds.

Connor Parker
Connor Parker

im in that second RT stream, can we all spam COMMUNISM WILL WIN?

Grayson Price
Grayson Price

*rural working youth, most urban working you voted Melenchon and didn't vote in the second round (should be noted the second round of 2017 had some of the lowest turnout in the 5th republic for a presidential).

Robert Myers
Robert Myers

post link and i'll get on it

Christopher Walker
Christopher Walker

im in that second RT stream, can we all spam COMMUNISM WILL WIN?
I'm on it.

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Blake Walker
Blake Walker

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Cops dropping their helmets in front of protesters waving the national flag and singing along the national anthem.

Kayden Watson
Kayden Watson

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Those look like smashies rather than gilets jaunes for the most part.

Levi Howard
Levi Howard

So I guess the fascist might actually have a chance here then. I wonder if youth support for Le Pen is 50% youth 50% olds.

Lucas Ortiz
Lucas Ortiz

link

Joshua Richardson
Joshua Richardson

second one of these
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Lincoln Butler
Lincoln Butler

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seeing the american right try to leach off this had been so fucking embarrassing

Jacob Ward
Jacob Ward

I see a few of you comrades in chat!

Cooper Ward
Cooper Ward

far lower by first round.
(Red is Melenchon, Yellow Macron, Grey Le Pen and blue Fillion)

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Jordan Bell
Jordan Bell

Go and mention Paris Commune and the Year 1871 in the chat. I'd do it but I don't have an account.

Ryan Long
Ryan Long

You had to trigger the polyps, didn't you?

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Caleb Rodriguez
Caleb Rodriguez

Well, le Pen has consistently finished second in elections for more than a decade now. Still, i doubt she could win and even if she could she simply lacks the party apparatus to run the country. Higher level civil servants would just work on auto-pilot.

Eli Howard
Eli Howard

keep at it, more butthurt more better

Brody Harris
Brody Harris

OKAY NUMEBR THREE NOW

Aiden Wright
Aiden Wright

oh shit there is no chat feed

Joseph Barnes
Joseph Barnes

Can someone less retarded make one of those Trump banners they keep spamming, except with Melanchon/Fidel or something

Andrew Rivera
Andrew Rivera

The second stream is still up.

William Phillips
William Phillips

yeh it cut out for a bit for me im back

Michael Lee
Michael Lee

It's more complicated than that, that is a demographic breakdown of the final round of presidential elections, so it's only really showing who would rather support Macron or Le Pen. It's also not productive to talk about the Youth or Seniors as if they are all one bloc with similar interests, it's different regionally, with different demographics. Personally I wouldn't blame some of the Rural Working Class for preferring Le Pen compared to the monstrosity that is JVPITER. You have to account for divides by Class, Urban/Rural, Region and even Race & Gender.

Justin Brooks
Justin Brooks

POST THE FUCKIN LINK

John Perez
John Perez

youtube.com/watch?v=Q6UpuouOomU

Evan Cox
Evan Cox

youtube.com/watch?v=Q6UpuouOomU

Charles Ortiz
Charles Ortiz

Just copy some of these dongers:
🐷🔪 EAT THE RICH! CLASS WAR NOW! 🔪🐷
⬛ ☭ COMMUNISM WILL WIN! ☭ ⬛
🚩💥 YOUR DAYS ARE NUMBERED, CAPITALIST SCUM 💥🚩

Dylan Carter
Dylan Carter

We should mention internationalism in response to the comments spamming globalism.

Ryder Walker
Ryder Walker

Someone with a greek statue avatar just unironically commented "Race war > Class war" Lmao.

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James Johnson
James Johnson

copy your thing and say it so it fills all the chat box you are allowed whatever it is you say

Brayden Reed
Brayden Reed

wtf

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Jonathan Green
Jonathan Green

hitler was a muslim confirmed :^)

Nolan Harris
Nolan Harris

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Jordan Baker
Jordan Baker

Anyone know a hammer and sickle ascii art that can fit in the youtube chat?

Ryan Nelson
Ryan Nelson

RT chat is sureal

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Jordan Russell
Jordan Russell

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Nathaniel Gray
Nathaniel Gray

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Benjamin Phillips
Benjamin Phillips

KEK

fuck the stream just went down

Nathan Carter
Nathan Carter

LOL THEY DISABLED CHAT

Adam Reed
Adam Reed

WE NEED A NEW STREAM RIGHT NOW

Nolan Flores
Nolan Flores

Zig Forums gang succeeds.

Sebastian Anderson
Sebastian Anderson

youtube.com/watch?v=vEcYzBGfKBA

Here maybe?

Owen Phillips
Owen Phillips

Anyone got a stream for Toulouse? The one I'm on (Raz TV) isn't showing anything interesting.

Camden Morales
Camden Morales

Scratch that, too slow of a reload plus a moderator

Colton Lewis
Colton Lewis

youtube.com/watch?v=vEcYzBGfKBA

Lucas Clark
Lucas Clark

Fixed:

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Nolan Gonzalez
Nolan Gonzalez

that's the same one you fool

Grayson Diaz
Grayson Diaz

youtube.com/watch?v=K9GVWqRc4_A
More riots

Oliver Rogers
Oliver Rogers

youtube.com/watch?v=vEcYzBGfKBA nah this is the sun and if it is its back up

David Parker
David Parker

thesun
It’s unsalvigible

Mason Hill
Mason Hill

Actually it's not as bad as I thought, I've already seen some comrades

Jaxson Smith
Jaxson Smith

burgers
youtu.be/RJxVCsWzRx8

Jason Ortiz
Jason Ortiz

Gay

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Levi Sullivan
Levi Sullivan

the point is not to salvage but to cause alarm

Camden Ward
Camden Ward

I think it's because you posted all caps. The bot automatically deletes those comments.

Jonathan Mitchell
Jonathan Mitchell

Everyone else got blocked from the Sun too?

John Young
John Young

Probably, I was spamming the ascii art over and over too.

Dylan Lewis
Dylan Lewis

mine are all in all caps

Lucas Wilson
Lucas Wilson

Seems like it. Chat moderators are the worst

Austin Long
Austin Long

Shh you'll invoke the spirit of Jim Profit

Daniel Martin
Daniel Martin

night bot a little bitch ive been spamming caps for minutes he dont say nuthin

Charles Hughes
Charles Hughes

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Eli Garcia
Eli Garcia

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Jason Gutierrez
Jason Gutierrez

The eternal Amerimutt

Joshua Wood
Joshua Wood

muh white people muh globalism

Brayden Wright
Brayden Wright

I wonder who’s behind those posts?

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Xavier Russell
Xavier Russell

Stuff like this makes me think that reactionaries truly are mentally ill

Jeremiah Roberts
Jeremiah Roberts

at least the sun bot keeps deleting pro erdogan comment… i think he might be one of us

Aiden Morales
Aiden Morales

any other streams though this one nothing is happening

Benjamin Taylor
Benjamin Taylor

Lmfao where's that webm of that Turkish Dwarf singing Erdogans name in the street

Angel Evans
Angel Evans

Spam this guy
youtube.com/watch?v=CrwVbvp7MS0

Colton Jenkins
Colton Jenkins

Is this guy legit retard?

Elijah Ward
Elijah Ward

He’s a literal amerimut

Ayden Price
Ayden Price

is that a proud american citizen

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Jack Williams
Jack Williams

Parisanon here, I just got home.
From what I saw and from the gilets jaunes i spoke to, the protest really shifted from taxes and cost of life to the 6th republic, more direct democracy and a referendum.
Most people agreed that we must carry on with the mouvement and that violance ("unfortunately" in their words) works.
Excluding the French flag, the most flags and banderoles I have seen are asking for a referendum and the 6th republic. Then regional flags, leftists flags and finally one royalist flag.

Adam Price
Adam Price

"As partisans of TKP, the marxist-leninist communist party of turkey, and member of the people’s army TIKKO, we are sending all of our support from one big US military base in Syria to the gilets jaunes movement. This mass movement has an inter-class character, with some clearly reactionary elements. We strongly criticise the revolutionary claims of people from the right who refuse to support the anger of the masses towards the system and the government, under the pretext that this protest is complex and contradictory.
The role of every french revolutionary is to participate in this protest, looking to strengthen our body, and develop our revolutionary conscience.
We also send all our support to the youth fighting against social selection, and the reforms on tuition fees for international students. We call [university and college] students to the gilet jaune movement. Faced with the attacks from the bourgeoisie and the government against the people, only unity can bring us a victorious resistance.
Farmer, craftsman, factory worker, employee, student. Even if our interests are sometimes different, today facing Macron’s government we are all gilets jaunes. Stand up against this government and against repression. Long live the resistance of the people. Reinforce our revolutionary, marxist-leninist body."

Jace Sanders
Jace Sanders

on it

Evan Ross
Evan Ross

That sounds very encouraging.

Matthew Morgan
Matthew Morgan

May-crone
I ask again, is this guy legit retarded?

David Butler
David Butler

Based. Any sign of right wingers or right wing ideologue among the crowd?

Bentley Allen
Bentley Allen

On it

Julian Ramirez
Julian Ramirez

Good to hear, 6th republic movement is useful. Oh also, lamo i saw that one Legitimisté flag on the livestream.

Austin Torres
Austin Torres

i'm starting to become racist against Americants.
i know Australians are big trolles but Americans can't stop embarassing themselves.

Chase Allen
Chase Allen

I haven't seen any myself except for that one royalist guy.
I have seen David Graeber though, that was quite based.

Benjamin Hall
Benjamin Hall

guys, they got us…

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Bentley Thomas
Bentley Thomas

I can understand spamming freely in a high volume chat filled with /pol/tards but maybe we should make ourselves look more friendly and reasonable for other people.

Michael Miller
Michael Miller

i am in time out :(

Parker Hernandez
Parker Hernandez

No ones minds will be changed by a youtube chat, it's basically a spam raid

Mason Howard
Mason Howard

Maybe the 5000 years is over soon…

Jeremiah Myers
Jeremiah Myers

So how does the logistics of the riot works? Are people going to retire and rest or are new people coming in to fill up the numbers?

Bentley Watson
Bentley Watson

Kek

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Elijah Bell
Elijah Bell

:OOOOO. yes

James Rodriguez
James Rodriguez

god bless Julian Wes

Adam Roberts
Adam Roberts

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Juan Sanders
Juan Sanders

owns a youtube channel with 80 subscribers
he thinks he's a capitalist

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Xavier Lee
Xavier Lee

Yes, it was all me.

Christian Martinez
Christian Martinez

Based and redpilled

Matthew Butler
Matthew Butler

Julian West
Based and Bellamy-pilled

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Kayden Nelson
Kayden Nelson

and finally one royalist flag.
How do these people still exist?
It’s from Flordia

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Jeremiah Flores
Jeremiah Flores

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Europe is in deep confusion right now, like many countries. It's a continent that has been in conflict for most of it's history yet most of it's people, right now, excluding Ukraine and some former soviet territories, haven't seen any real hard conflict. The problem is the "left" in Europe has largely been under socdem/fake left control, and they've utterly betrayed them, so now it's like they just don't know what to do. I don't entirely misunderstand the increasing lurch to the right. It's like they sense nothing will work except "going back to the old ways", because, well, it MUST have worked, right? Obviously there is nuance to this, especially in regards to Eastern Europe vs Western Europe, but you get my point. The Middle East has been utterly fucked to hell and back, so that will be an even greater challenge, especially as some countries modernize rapidly (Saudis) and others are just left to the sharks (Yemen).

Aaron Williams
Aaron Williams

They're over a day, not continuous.

Grayson Cox
Grayson Cox

okay… new stream

James Murphy
James Murphy

That dude said he was going to start another soon

Elijah Collins
Elijah Collins

Well done lads. We made the whole chat about Communism.

Ayden Hernandez
Ayden Hernandez

west coast burger
wake up a bit late
miss everything
have to finish a paper about lenin for class
well, best of luck comrades

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Gavin Sullivan
Gavin Sullivan

Get a good grade and don't let Lenin down, comrade

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Angel Rodriguez
Angel Rodriguez

eeh gais wa goin own mah nam is luis allso nonas grensupreme toda is decemenah the ate twothousand ate een an welcum to the grensupreme new chanol. so i made a video las nite tward yesterday uuh abou pawis closin dow everytin has shut dow they put in aahh ahhh they aahhh puda plywood in windows all business all close down no christmis dis yir for pawis.

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Lincoln Davis
Lincoln Davis

I love their channel description. It's as burger as hell

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Kayden Ramirez
Kayden Ramirez

In the US
<Studying Leninology
Wut? How?

Luke Collins
Luke Collins

From what I saw and from the gilets jaunes i spoke to, the protest really shifted from taxes and cost of life to the 6th republic, more direct democracy and a referendum.
How about a referendum on EVERYTHING? Here's how it can work: There's an assembly that is like a big jury selected by lot, and any proposed law creation or change that get approved in the "normal" parliament also has to pass through this assembly by more votes for than against in order to become law.

Zachary Turner
Zachary Turner

Is there a stream with some action or have things calmed down?

Ian Stewart
Ian Stewart

Only this one left: youtube.com/watch?v=vEcYzBGfKBA

Joseph Murphy
Joseph Murphy

youtube.com/channel/UCZM9TBBO8XAUYJgGjEp36Ew/live
Boi

Ethan Davis
Ethan Davis

No more rioting?

Camden Hughes
Camden Hughes

So the action is dying down? What's our analysis of the first day of festivities?

Logan Evans
Logan Evans

still some in Major city like bordaux and Toulouse

Charles Walker
Charles Walker

Much as I like Lenin, I'm basically arguing that he fell for a Hegelian conception of bureaucracy which Marx BTFOs in Critique

At a university, taking a course on Hegel, Marx, etc. It's not that rare if you go to a left-leaning liberal college

Ryan Smith
Ryan Smith

that it is day number 10 or something

Hudson Howard
Hudson Howard

true, I was refering to this weekend.

Aiden Ward
Aiden Ward

Let this be a lesson to all anti gun leftists. If the GJ had guns, we would have a sixth republic by now.

James Williams
James Williams

French right wingers lose their mind in the comment section, after they find out that they are more in agreement with Melenchon than they think.

lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/article/2018/12/04/sur-un-axe-de-melenchon-a-le-pen-ou-se-situent-les-revendications-des-gilets-jaunes_5392592_4355770.html

Noah Cooper
Noah Cooper

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Daniel Taylor
Daniel Taylor

Hegelian conception of bureaucracy
explain

Joseph Scott
Joseph Scott

These burgers are in for a shock.
X to doubt ngl.

David Miller
David Miller

Feels weird watching them develop class consciousness…

Jonathan Campbell
Jonathan Campbell

Kek

Jose Ramirez
Jose Ramirez

So, people don't give a shit anymore? Is this what post modern rioting looks like? You burn some stuff, throw some rocks'n shit then nothing happens and u give up?!

Jaxson Price
Jaxson Price

then nothing happens and u give up
The protests have already had actual political consequences, for instance considering the fuel tax which started the movement in the first place. What are you talking about?

Nathaniel Taylor
Nathaniel Taylor

Hey, we postponed 1 law for a year.

Caleb Anderson
Caleb Anderson

Hegel basically describes a bureaucracy as being an extension of the executive power, the bureaucracy executes decisions, is made up of individuals who are deemed qualified enough to do these practical functions, is apolitical, etc. Marx's reply (which I've yet to make totally explicit, and is what I've gotta work on today) is chiefly this:

"The bureaucracy is the state formalism of civil society. It is the state's consciousness, the state's will, the state's power, as a Corporation. (The universal interest can behave vis-a-vis the particular only as a particular so long as the particular behaves vis-a vis the universal as a universal. The bureaucracy must thus defend the imaginary universality of particular interest, i.e., the Corporation mind, in order to defend the imaginary particularity of the universal interests, i.e., its own mind. The state must be Corporation so long as the Corporation wishes to be state.) Being the state's consciousness, will, and power as a Corporation, the bureaucracy is thus a particular, closed society within the state. The bureaucracy wills the Corporation as an imaginary power. To be sure, the individual Corporation also has this will for its particular interest in opposition to the bureaucracy, but it wills the bureaucracy against the other Corporation, against the other particular interest. The bureaucracy as the completed Corporation therefore wins the day over the Corporation which is like incomplete bureaucracy. It reduces the Corporation to an appearance, or wishes to do so, but wishes this appearance to exist and to believe in its own existence. The Corporation is civil society's attempt to become state; but the bureaucracy is the state which has really made itself into civil society. "
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1843/critique-hpr/ch03.htm

That is, like, Bureaucracy only exists qua Corporations, that is, it only exists as a means / party of particular state interest, rather than a means of "subsuming" (Hegel's term) the particular into the state-universal. That is, the state, via bureaucracy, is necessarily always situated against the universal will. Marx also mentions the hierarchical division of labor involved in bureaucracy, and how it's necessary to its functioning.

In The State and Revolution, Lenin famously describes the two main pillars of state power that gotta be seized, smashed, and reconstructed as the military and the bureaucracy. Lenin wants to rebuild bureaucracy under the Communard model: elected positions, workman's pay, instant recall, etc. Basically, a democratic-seeming bureaucracy that's conducive to its necessary withering away into socialism/communism. I'm charging Lenin of making only superficial changes to bureaucracy's structure, as, it seems to me, bureaucracy necessarily reinforces hierarchy, both within and external to state functioning.

"The bureaucracy asserts itself to be the final end of the state. Because the bureaucracy makes its formal aims its content, it comes into conflict everywhere with the real aims. Hence it is obliged to present what is formal for the content and the content for what is formal. The aims of the state are transformed into aims of bureaus, or the aims of bureaus into the aims of the state. The bureaucracy is a circle from which no one can escape. Its hierarchy is a hierarchy of knowledge. The highest point entrusts the understanding of particulars to the lower echelons, whereas these, on the other hand, credit the highest with an understanding in regard to the universal; and thus they deceive one another."

Elijah Peterson
Elijah Peterson

Bordaux
facebook.com/100009100550912/videos/vb.100009100550912/2121744354805562/?type=2&theater
well

Logan Wood
Logan Wood

multi stream
youtube.com/channel/UCZM9TBBO8XAUYJgGjEp36Ew/live

Ayden Robinson
Ayden Robinson

so is it over?

Jacob Davis
Jacob Davis

twitter.com/Seamus_Malek/status/1071476642776666112

Folks, everything's under control. Please leave.

Cooper Jenkins
Cooper Jenkins

It's ongoing in Toulouse

Colton Price
Colton Price

Anyone think that Tuesday's brexit vote will have any impact on these protests? Particularly if a no-confidence vote / snap election occurs by the end of the month?

Joshua Wood
Joshua Wood

I NEED communism in France
I want to find me a cute boogie girl from upper Paris and take her home and make her lie to me while we make sweet love on a hammer and sickle flag

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Isaac Gray
Isaac Gray

Also, what does everybody think of these?
cnews.fr/france/2018-12-08/la-liste-des-revendications-des-gilets-jaunes-801586

Dylan Perez
Dylan Perez

Bordeaux is looking pretty feisty.

Christian Reyes
Christian Reyes

But Paris is basically over, right? Or is there hope for a second wind? Anyways, we need to ship some of these Bordaux maniacs to Paris.

Gavin Butler
Gavin Butler

Hard doubt ngl.

Blake Perry
Blake Perry

Based et rougepillé.

Carson Powell
Carson Powell

artist?

Dominic Martin
Dominic Martin

Damn. My hope would be that any mass protest in Britain would help spur / support the ones in Paris. Oh well

Jaxon Lewis
Jaxon Lewis

memes. this movement needs to shift away from pointless rioting and become organised, else numbers will dwindle

Jeremiah Sanchez
Jeremiah Sanchez

Literally no idea
I found it on another site a long time ago

Evan Hall
Evan Hall

For the moment there'll be a protest in Paris every Saturday unless people stop coming to Paris for some reason.

Jacob Adams
Jacob Adams

hammer and sickle
<not hammer, torch, and head of wheat

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Nolan Powell
Nolan Powell

Nah brexit is too tribalistic to start this kind of mass movement protest.
This tbh, if that strike on the 14th goes through we could see some major things though.

Elijah Lee
Elijah Lee

wow it's nothing

Dominic Brooks
Dominic Brooks

☭☭☭

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Lucas Cox
Lucas Cox

Finnish media trying to downplay the protesters as violent and infentile. People mostly not buying it tho.

Ian Walker
Ian Walker

imgur.com/gallery/p7QDT

Oliver Fisher
Oliver Fisher

it'll likely pick back up tomorrow

Joseph Murphy
Joseph Murphy

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Caleb Hernandez
Caleb Hernandez

Russian men claim they hate gays yet they take naked saunas with each other and beat each other with small bushes. What would Freud say about that?
kek
not grabbing the heel and pulling it up
Getting kicked in the hip is probably the easiest attack to counter of them all.

Ayden Foster
Ayden Foster

Dec 2 2016
[The People's Liberation Army Crushes the Capitalist Reactionaries in Toulouse!]

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Wyatt Sanders
Wyatt Sanders

youtube.com/watch?v=UW71r_5JWVw
"This is the France I love, the France of rebellions and revolutions. This is my France"
Based Melenchon

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Jack Myers
Jack Myers

link doesn't work. what's in there

Wyatt Peterson
Wyatt Peterson

these people are fucking retards holy shit

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Cooper Anderson
Cooper Anderson

Ex-Empress Meki in Medine, by RAITVisualWorks
By accident, the holotablet proved utterly unreadable, so here's what it says:

____
4 avril 2104
18:53

CITIZEN: MACKENZIE LAMARTINIERE SÉVILLE

TITLE: EMPRESS

CLASS: IMPERIAL BOURGEOISIE (Proletarianizing)

EMPLOYMENT: DELTOID COLLECTIVE FARM (ACTIVE); GIBSON FLATBLOCK CLERK (PASSIVE)

RESIDENCE: GIBSON FLATBLOCK
___
Ministry of Revolutionary Affairs: Paris
/k/WorldNews

L'Armée Populaire de Libération Écrase Les Réactionnaires Capitalistes à Toulouse!

[The People's Liberation Army Crushes the Capitalist Reactionaries in Toulouse!]

Artilect Collectif, Le VULT, Crée un Nouveau Quartier à Shanghai

[Artilect Collective, VULT, Creates New District in Shanghai]

Le Front Transhumaniste Dénonce le Fasciste "Parti National Bolchevique"

[The Transhumanist Front Denounces the Fascist "National Bolshevik Party"]

La Citoyenne Mackenzie Séville Dirige la Medine Soviétique, Donnant l'Exemple à d'Dutres non Prolétarisés Anciens-Citoyens
[Citizen Mackenzie Séville Directs Medine Soviet, Setting Example for Non-Proletarianized Former People]

L'Insurrection Pathétique de la Bourgeoisie Impériale près de Calais a Vaincu!

[The Pathetic Insurrection of the Imperial Bourgeoisie Near Calais Has Been Defeated!]

Transhumaniste Hacker Collectif, River Blue, Exproprié Danzig Corporation Grattoir-étoile à Utiliser pour les Opérations en Chef

[Transhumanist Hacker Collective, River Blue, Expropriated Danzig Corporation Starscraper For Use In Chief Operations]

Transhumanisme Prospère Dans le Métro: Rencontrer les "Moddies" et Leur Culture Cyberdélique des Jeunes

[Transhumanism Prosperous In The Underground: Meet The "Moddies" and Their Cyberdelic Youth Culture]

L'intelligence Artificielle Célèbre le Socialisme Libertaire du Maquis Rouge, Rencontre la Camarade Yoko Kusanagi à Paris Commune

[Artificial Intelligence Celebrates Libertarian Socialism of Maquis Rouge, Meets Comrade Yoko Kusanagi in Paris Commune]

La Libéral Bourgeois Indienne, Vedika.exe, Appelle l'île Medine "Une Expérimenter Sadique Totalitaire"

[The Liberal Bourgeois Indian, Vedika.exe, Calls Medine Island "A Totalitarian Sadistic Experiment"]

Henry Evans
Henry Evans

get promised Commune 2.0, livestream of Macron disembowelled
its just fags milling about then running from les flics
bogus

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Ryder Moore
Ryder Moore

Strike next week, although it does seem to be a lot calmer this week. The last few weeks have been pretty wild though, driving flaming vans into toll booths is pretty hard to top without grabbing a gun.

Leo Edwards
Leo Edwards

how about driving vans into Département main buildings and forming soviets

Caleb Wilson
Caleb Wilson

give it time, if the yellow vests stick to their guns they can run the police ragged, drag their morale down and spread them thin

Joseph Torres
Joseph Torres

youtube.com/watch?v=WXc5-NX-fF8
Even though I can't understand half of what he's saying its such a treat to listen to this guy give such a fiery speech while the LREM try to boo and shout over him.

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Adam Brown
Adam Brown

it's a small thing, but I think he has a good voice for it. the ability to give a passionate speech and have it sound powerful is an important one.

Owen Myers
Owen Myers

What are they saying in the comments?

Ian Rivera
Ian Rivera

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Julian Carter
Julian Carter

The final ranking is completely wrong, I find myself likely to vote melenchon
Let's go … Here I am melanchonist. And then Dupont Aignan. I will have to do an analysis
Damn, I find myself voting Mélenchon;

Chase Stewart
Chase Stewart

post yfw there will be a Commune of France within your lifetime.

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Christian Bennett
Christian Bennett

I'll just leave this here

Eli Davis
Eli Davis

I'm charging Lenin of making only superficial changes to bureaucracy's structure, as, it seems to me, bureaucracy necessarily reinforces hierarchy, both within and external to state functioning.
Have you read actual history books dealing with the problems of soviet bureaucracy or are you pulling your theses out of your speculative ass?
libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=A87ECBB483BF27F182F31626527035A6

Jordan Cook
Jordan Cook

Is the movement petering out? Today's turnout was underwhelming.

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Thomas Jones
Thomas Jones

some royalist are unironically socialist

Brandon Martinez
Brandon Martinez

ANARCHO-MONARCHIST GANG HAS ARRIVED

Cooper Thompson
Cooper Thompson

I hadn't seen the historical similarities before but he's totally right on this

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Blake Cooper
Blake Cooper

Nearly 600k isn't underwhealming: and a General strike is happening next Friday.

Caleb Davis
Caleb Davis

sauce on general strike happening?

Hudson Brown
Hudson Brown

It's just a theory paper, that's all. Lenin just doesn't articulate a bureaucracy capable of withering away, that is, a thoroughly democratic bureaucracy in State & Revolution. I'm linking it to Hegel, examining Marx's crituqe, and then speculating strategies that could make it actually democratic than just superficially democratic.

Xavier Howard
Xavier Howard

Might be worth contrasting it with Yugoslav attempts (that ultimately failed).

Juan Anderson
Juan Anderson

Like, isn't it just interesting that in State & Revolution, in the sections about bureaucracy, Lenin quotes and analyzes Engels' letter concerning the topic, but not Marx's Critique? The Marx that comes up in those sections are from the Brumaire and the addition of “[The Commune] demonstrated in particular that ‘the working class cannot simply lay hold of the ready-made state machine, and deploy it for its own purposes’.” to the Manifesto

I would, but it's just outside the scope of the course (and my own personal knowledge). It was a theory class (Hegel->Marx->Lukacs->Lenin->Luxemburg), not a history course.

Joseph Bailey
Joseph Bailey

a bunch of white people are protesting
omg look at all those muslims. Europe is lost to the barbarian hordes
….
Fucking burger reactionaries with their heads so far up their ass they can't see straight

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Julian Torres
Julian Torres

Any Frenchanon predictions of how this will move foreward? I hear conflicting reports. Is there something those of us outside frogland can do to support?

Parker Gomez
Parker Gomez

i've heard talk of a general strike, but haven't seen anything supporting it

Zachary Bell
Zachary Bell

If that happens I'm learning French and moving there.

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Benjamin Bailey
Benjamin Bailey

globalist is another name for marxist socialist fascist hitler is here
what the fuck

Wyatt Thompson
Wyatt Thompson

ignore schizo posting
do not reply to schizo posters
etc

Jose Kelly
Jose Kelly

The absolute state of the US education system, they have English as their main language yet have more spelling errors than most non-native speakers when it comes to internet comments. That or they just don't give af about what they write as long as the general idea of what they feel about a given subject is conveyed.

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Isaiah Jones
Isaiah Jones

Hier Vikings Aujourd'hui negres
Surfeurs Alcolos
jpp

Hudson Long
Hudson Long

leparisien.fr/economie/sncf-et-ratp-la-cgt-appelle-a-la-greve-le-14-decembre-07-12-2018-7963395.php
Only CGT and a few smaller ones rn.

Jayden Morales
Jayden Morales

it's not even spelling sometimes, they're just so excited to spaghetti about their boomer ideology that it comes out as a clusterfuck

Hunter Jackson
Hunter Jackson

Fuck. We need to find away to throw some gasoline on the flames. Slight growth in Melanchon's support isn't an acceptable outcome.

Kevin Howard
Kevin Howard

There's a strike next Friday, we'll see.

Thomas Diaz
Thomas Diaz

They need to get back to crippling the infrastructure, that's what was really turning the thumbscrews.

Mason Jackson
Mason Jackson

We need to find away to throw some gasoline on the flames
Macron has all the cards here. This is the danger of competent "centrists" (i.e. center-rightists). They are more willing to take temporary losses in order to maintain the status quo than hard-line reactionaries (who need to sustain a veneer of "winning" at all times and so are loathe to retreat on anything.)

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Kevin Hughes
Kevin Hughes

Macron has all the cards here.
Considering the losses he's suffered, I don't think this is true at all.

Gabriel Johnson
Gabriel Johnson

what is the loss he suffered? postponing a tax proposal bill for 1 year?? oh my defeat

Wyatt Stewart
Wyatt Stewart

Fuck off fed.

Nolan Green
Nolan Green

I mean he like ran away, didn't he? I'd call that, politically, a defeat.

Ethan Perry
Ethan Perry

and in two weeks time he'll return and everything will be as before

the same as nothing changed after el khamori

Tyler Flores
Tyler Flores

HE DOES IT FOR FREE!
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Nicholas Clark
Nicholas Clark

Not at all convinced by the sudden uptick in anons acting all panicky and jittery about 'ooooh, its all over', 'nothing is happening', etc.
Where is this coming from, what has supposedly changed between yesterday and today about the protests that demonstrates this in anyway.
It sounds like either trembling over-reacting hipsters of demotivational shills.
Chill out you faggots.

Aiden Rogers
Aiden Rogers

everything is true famalam

Owen Young
Owen Young

He is still in power isn't he? The protests are all still disorganized and lack any sort of coherence correct (no seriously correct me if I am wrong on this one because I am getting lots of conflicting reports on this)? Remember that since Macron represents the status quo he can "win" even if he appears to lose as long as his opposition fails to gain any ground.

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Brody Gutierrez
Brody Gutierrez

less people
just mindless rioting, not trying to take over anything

Angel Sanchez
Angel Sanchez

Probably mad that nationalists have failed to take control of it.

Joshua Lopez
Joshua Lopez

everything will be as before

okay, so you're telling me, that everything will be same whether or not these protests had happened or not, in two weeks time. You're saying that in timeline A, no protests at all, Macron would be doing the exact same thing, as now (timeline B)?

regardless of the political affiliation of these protestors, this has destroyed his popularity, given power to the both the populist left and the right, the things he championed to stop, hurt the French economy, and has motivated hundreds of thousands, probably millions of people against him, many former supporters of his. No. He can act all he wants like he's some strong neoliberal but he's weak. Him running away proves that. A leader who has to go into hiding from those he leads is one who's leadership won't last.

Jaxon Mitchell
Jaxon Mitchell

Got any evidence for there being less people involved then the past days?
And at what point were they trying to 'take over' anything? I don't recall the elysee palace being occupied last weekend for it to be a step down from, and at which point exactly where the riots not mindless according to you, ignoring the baselessness of this assertion for a moment?

Jackson Jackson
Jackson Jackson

yes

you do realise that Nuit debout protests happened, and the pro neoliberal agenda is still going forward the same as before Nuit debout ??

Jeremiah Sanchez
Jeremiah Sanchez

it's that kind of defeatist mentality that has people calling you a shill. weather someone is paying you or not, fuck off and kys. this is a positivity zone.

Brayden Taylor
Brayden Taylor

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Jonathan Martin
Jonathan Martin

2744635
YouTube just this bad now

Ever since 2014 /pol/yups have had a monopoly over Youtube political shit. It's literally the new talk radio. The Demsucc/Intersectionalist/Lefty youtubers are a massive minority.

Andrew Mitchell
Andrew Mitchell

well it should be a realism and real reflection zone; all of these mass protests and strikes are more or less useless for any deep cut with the current material conditions; there has to be a "vanguard revolutionary party" that can channel mass protests into a revolution; otherwise smashies break some glass, presidents hide for a few days and then everything is back on track as it was before;

Alexander Turner
Alexander Turner

one occupy style 'lets sit around and they'll listen to us' failed therefore other protests will also fail
very true, we should give up fellow leftist
clearly protests of any nature will always end without ever changing anything.

Lincoln Morris
Lincoln Morris

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Cameron Hall
Cameron Hall

He's right though. You have to organize eventually otherwise the protests will die out.

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Adrian Howard
Adrian Howard

yes, protests that won't be channeled towards anything will end without changing anything

even the russian uprisings wouldn't lead to the collapse of the kerenski government if the bolsheviks didn't act and storm the government offices and buildings

Benjamin Ortiz
Benjamin Ortiz

The absolute state of the US education system, they have English as their main language yet have more spelling errors than most non-native speakers when it comes to internet comments. That or they just don't give af about what they write as long as the general idea of what they feel about a given subject is conveyed.
I really think the U.S. is cooking the books about its official literacy rate. Seriously. I had a neighbor – who was a white boomer – who asked me to write a few letters for him which he'd dictate because he literally could not write. The dude wasn't from 1930s Albania or somewhere like that: he grew up in Illinois and worked a truck stop washing 18 wheelers. I'd say functional illiteracy may be a quarter of the population.

Aiden Watson
Aiden Watson

This is true. The protests and strikes at best only prepare the ground for a vanguard movement. That's not to say they might not collapse the government, but that in itself is not a revolution.

Dominic Robinson
Dominic Robinson

Even if Macroni steps down and there is an election, and a succdem comes, nothing of meaning will have happened. The bare minimum is a new constitution …

Easton Adams
Easton Adams

2744459
MUH RUSSIA
You gotta be fucking kidding me dude. The MSM sounds like a broken record at this point.

Henry Rodriguez
Henry Rodriguez

let's just ignore that they show no sign of dying down or being placated, and there's likely a major strike coming up. fuck off, doomer.

Michael Russell
Michael Russell

they may go on for another month, if they don't organize, they will not achieve much, maybe some minor changes in taxes or welfare.

Josiah Butler
Josiah Butler

The funny part is that the Russians are saying this is a CIA op.

Jonathan Morgan
Jonathan Morgan

there's a difference between saying 'the protests need to become organised into a vanguard' and jittery 'i-is it over guys? i think its d-dying out!!' spam.
Constantly asserting 'its over' while bemoaning how they're not seizing government buildings and setting up soviets isn't a good look.

Alexander Flores
Alexander Flores

The point is: if they dont a) seize some gov. buildings b) set up some kind of public/workers/something aseemblies etc. c) assassinate Macron d) something in the spirit of abc then it will die.

Brayden Collins
Brayden Collins

I mean we did let ourselves be hyped into this 6th Republic Now mood the past week.

Compared to the 1917(even 1905) happens this saturday, this was pretty mild. What kind of revolution calms down at 21.00?

Dom't get me wrong. I believe the protests will continue. I think what's been achieved in terms of class conciousness is better than the last 20 years or so. What I'm worried is that we now have a unique chance to actually wrestle a real change by revolutionary means, and I'm not seeing that yet. A true victory (say ousting of Macron and his government) would show people that they have power and real change is possible.

How do we achieve this?

Jayden King
Jayden King

1917 didn’t come out of nowhere, it was the culmination of decades of problems. Things are getting worse across the world and the GJs are mere symptoms

Carson Rogers
Carson Rogers

did someone say gilette abdi?

Cooper Gomez
Cooper Gomez

lmao wtf

rasiert

Jose Ramirez
Jose Ramirez

J'avais presque oublié à quel point je détestais les parisiens.

Daniel Sanders
Daniel Sanders

twitter.com/MediasTrue/status/1071498026819223553

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Samuel Reyes
Samuel Reyes

Relax Comrade, Revolutions don’t happen in a day.

Andrew Gray
Andrew Gray

Holy shit

Elijah Ward
Elijah Ward

We need to find away to throw some gasoline on the flames.
can't, it cost too much

Aiden Hall
Aiden Hall

BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES

Owen Ramirez
Owen Ramirez

Dafuq am I looking at?

Lucas Rivera
Lucas Rivera

what the fuck man

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Joseph Parker
Joseph Parker

ex-girlfriend

Gavin Anderson
Gavin Anderson

Remains of a guys hand after picking up a GLI-F4 grenade

Brandon Rodriguez
Brandon Rodriguez

Why would you pick up a grenade?

Joshua Ward
Joshua Ward

yellow jackets in paris chanting "Anti Capitalista"
twitter.com/armani_salado/status/1071461826897084416

Connor Edwards
Connor Edwards

To throw it back, Call of Duty style

Gavin Lee
Gavin Lee

truly despicable. Macron just turned a perfectly functioning man into a cripple. he deserves death at this point.

Julian Russell
Julian Russell

at this point

He's always deserved death simply by virtue of being a neolib tard

Carson Anderson
Carson Anderson

Paris is getting looted
youtube.com/watch?v=V5Q2bARsQ8s

Christian Robinson
Christian Robinson

I swear liberals will pay for this.

Parker Collins
Parker Collins

It's tragic but it's a reminder to what extend the ruling class will go, to ensure capitalism is not tampered with.
Never ever touch or approach grenades or explosives, it's never worth it.

Isaac Turner
Isaac Turner

how did today go, french friends? did you make it back alright, french user?

what is the status in paris currently? i assume the main event is done at this late hour (2330 in france), but are the riots continuing into the night?

Ethan Thompson
Ethan Thompson

Honestly smashies going around helps fucking nothing.

Blake Campbell
Blake Campbell

1. run away from grenades
2. failing that, kick them
never pick them up!

Kayden Gonzalez
Kayden Gonzalez

Bordeaux is still at it: twitter.com/_Gwenael_/status/1071529640760627200

Joshua Ward
Joshua Ward

Based Bordeaux!

Jeremiah Ross
Jeremiah Ross

He probably thought it was a tear gas canister.
This is apparently a recurring problem with those grenades, but they refuse to ban them.
translate.google.ca/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&u=https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenade_GLI-F4

Ethan Nguyen
Ethan Nguyen

NEOLIBERAL GANG WINS AGAIN

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Henry White
Henry White

I think the reflective vest aspect is poetic. Proles are all but invisible to the cloistered neoliberals and their voting base, serving food, delivering packages, repairing infrastructure, speaking only when spoken to then disappearing when no longer needed. High visibility colors are the underclass demanding to be acknowledged by the increasingly detached establishment.

Jaxon Thompson
Jaxon Thompson

Guess we'll have to wait on Macron to either capitulate or fuck up till next week's general strike. At least the Brexit vote will keep us entertained

Lincoln Robinson
Lincoln Robinson

this, and the vests are so… ugly. pedestrian. Epitomises how the well-off view the lower classes

Nicholas Russell
Nicholas Russell

I'd go farther. I don't think this revolution would have even been possible without the fact that proles are obligated to own the vests. it's something only they are given, it produces a visible distinction between the bourgeoisie and the working class, something we don't really have in America.

David Hall
David Hall

where were you when rail workers derailed the revolution?
Police were seizing protective equipment from journalists and barring some provincial "yellow vest" protesters from boarding trains to Paris, as part of exceptionally stringent security measures to prevent a repeat of last week's rioting.
A group of four protesters who came to Paris from Normandy on Saturday told The Associated Press that they saw people wearing yellow vests turned away at train stations all along their route. They said fellow protesters trying to reach Paris from Toulouse in southern France reported the same problems.
A national police spokesman said officers stationed at train stations around the country are under orders to verify all passengers and turn away any carrying equipment that could be used to "cause damage to people or property."

DON'T DEPEND ON THE FUCKING STATE RAILWAY TO OVERTHROW THE STATE

archive.is/r7dpB
komonews.com/news/nation-world/135-hurt-in-france-protests-1000-detained

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Jaxson Kelly
Jaxson Kelly

officers stationed at train stations
rail workers

Alexander Taylor
Alexander Taylor

youtube.com/watch?v=ycEa1l01_A0
Yes you do, this is the "yellow vest" movement in America, a bunch of workers (I think there was some speculation or proof of them being paid off actors) causing a fit over the world's richest capitalist having to pay a small tax.
I think this contrast exemplifies just how bad class consciousness is in America compared to France.

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Jeremiah Richardson
Jeremiah Richardson

workers didn't seize the trains
allowing porky to guard the station

Eli Reed
Eli Reed

IVPITER RISING
UPDATE: French President Macron will not announce his resignation, amid rumors, but will be announcing a ‘major’ policy change - Le Monde
twitter.com/BreakingNLive/status/1071534493226414081

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Jason Lopez
Jason Lopez

Inb4 he does something other massively unpopular and fucks himself more.
That or a state of emergency. If he had any sense, he would undo the labour "reforms" to try and buy off the unions.

Robert Myers
Robert Myers

not going one station over without the vest
>not starting fires in the train toilets

Eli Taylor
Eli Taylor

martial law now

Noah Roberts
Noah Roberts

he doesn't need to declare martial law, a lot of the provisions of the old martial law were made part of regular law after the paris attacks, meaning the state always has it partially active

Jordan Diaz
Jordan Diaz

Hope he back flips off a building

Evan Watson
Evan Watson

similar to how the san culotte literally were identified themselves by their name "without breeches" worn by the tiny minority of wealthy people who could afford it

Jacob Allen
Jacob Allen

sans culottes*

Elijah Jackson
Elijah Jackson

Are you for real, fam? You expect some train operator to drive off the cops at every station he stops at? You expect some half a dozen guys to hijack a train for literally no reason? That's fucking stupid.

Ian Allen
Ian Allen

what would a state of emergency mean for the situation

Isaiah Barnes
Isaiah Barnes

Police and strip-search and detain people at-whim. They literally could start rounding up yellow vests by the hundreds.
I mean it would fail massively: the rural police would refuse to adhere to it.

Ian Parker
Ian Parker

You expect some half a dozen guys to hijack a train for literally no reason

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Lucas Ross
Lucas Ross

Based on how fucking stupid all of his other decisions have been, we can only hope

Austin Barnes
Austin Barnes

anything he tries at this point is probably going to backfire on him

Sebastian Thomas
Sebastian Thomas

Quit LARPing, this isn't 1917, and they didn't even hijack that train

Xavier Jenkins
Xavier Jenkins

I hope so.

Aiden White
Aiden White

A group of French police officers remove their helmets to show solidarity with the French people against President Emmanuel #Macron, as anti Macron protests continue throughout France.

twitter.com/NBbreaking/status/1069389164465016832

Isaac Gutierrez
Isaac Gutierrez

Literally he can't even pull a De Gaulle because De Gaulle was popular and could rally 700k people.
Tbh the banter heuristic is that he resigns, calls an election for the presidency.

Joshua Phillips
Joshua Phillips

pic unrelated i assume?

Jaxon Johnson
Jaxon Johnson

God I love the French Anthem: it's so fucking powerful.
t. Brit.

Dominic Rogers
Dominic Rogers

Yeah if he did something stupid like open fire he would lose instantly.

Christian Wood
Christian Wood

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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Grayson Davis
Grayson Davis

holy shit, the burger 'leftist' inanely repeating that the police are only doing this because the yellow vests are nationalists despite them holding red flags in the video.
exterminate burgers ffs

Camden Lee
Camden Lee

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John Howard
John Howard

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Hunter Lee
Hunter Lee

If they called an election, who would be favored to win? Le Pen?

Dominic Mitchell
Dominic Mitchell

I'm reluctant to use polls, but Le Pen is still so disliked by just about everybody that her popularity hasn't really budged. I'd say Melanchon, Hamon, and Bayrou of all people have really surged.

Luis Richardson
Luis Richardson

OH NONONONONONO

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Parker Hall
Parker Hall

Right wing tracts.

Nathan Richardson
Nathan Richardson

Is Melanchon still /ourguy/ like he was around the last election?

Isaiah Reyes
Isaiah Reyes

He's stupid, but not literally retarded. Martial law is off the table. Our hope is in his megalomania. Complete silince today, now a rumor of a "big announcement". He's still playing at being the Planetary King, trying to build up to a dramatic policy change he believes will win a lot of people over. We can only hope it's something super lame, like just rolling back someof his BS austerity policies.

Kevin Sanchez
Kevin Sanchez

rural police would refuse
why so sure.

Matthew Ramirez
Matthew Ramirez

oh he's been absolutely shitting on everything macron stand for, especially after macron raided his HQ

Camden Williams
Camden Williams

JUPITER SPEAKS "When there is hate, it is because there is also a demand for love"
HE IS A MERCIFUL GOD, DO NOT CROSS HIM AGAIN
lejdd.fr/Politique/gilets-jaunes-comment-emmanuel-macron-prepare-la-sortie-de-crise-3816695#xtor=cs1-4

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Andrew Adams
Andrew Adams

Those red flags are regional ones (Alsace and Occitania iirc) but considering regional flags are a common thing at left-wing protests…
Also they're not wrong about the nationalism part, but that doesn't make it bad either. The Russian strikers used nationalism to appeal to the cossacks to not fucking murder them where they stood.
My money would be on a Melenchon vs LR Candidate second round.
Because they've been blaisé about enforcing things thus far (all of the stuff in rural areas has been CRN, not the actual local police) and many of them have been keeping yellow bibs in their patrol cars to show solidarity. Add to that Macron's city-elitism and the closer relationship rural police have with the people they have to arrest, it is reasonable they would revolt if ordered to lock-up down the road for a protest they agree with.
100%, he's French Corbyn with french nat characteristics.

Jackson Martinez
Jackson Martinez

Macron raided his hq? Specifics please

Isaac Ramirez
Isaac Ramirez

Claimed it was over "electoral spending irregularities" even though he had everything in order before and they raided his home & took his personal computers…

Colton Bennett
Colton Bennett

he thinks cryptofash workers are revolutionary
he supports a movement that doesn't want to abolish borders
he's against fuel tax hikes on the poors
You're a heckin counterrevolutionary Nazbol turdburger. And that's a yikes from me.

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Nathaniel Gray
Nathaniel Gray

Macron sent police forces at Mélenchon's party headquarters to seize evidence about "alleged funding fraud". Although there are far fishier parties around (every single right-wing party is involved in money embezzlement) they didn't find anything but Mélenchon freaked out and people made fun of him for being mad.

Blake Smith
Blake Smith

Macron targetted France Insoumise HQ about a month ago as part of an "anti-corruption" thing. Nobody on the left buys it

Adam Hernandez
Adam Hernandez

Btw, what is the significance of these regional flags? I keep hearing they're mainly popular with Leftist protestors, but why?

Eli Perry
Eli Perry

The most problematic aspect of the British election is not that the Conservatives lost ground—it is that they lost ground to a Labor Party led by Jeremy Corbyn. Corbyn is an unrepentant man of the far left who has been a cheerleader for terrorist groups such as the IRA, Hamas, and Hezbollah and for “revolutionary” regimes such as those in Iran, North Korea, and Venezuela, while reviling the United States and Israel. Corbyn has no use for either NATO or the European Union; while he tepidly campaigned for the Remain side in the Brexit election, his heart was never in it. In short, Corbyn is a populist not of the far-right but of the far-left—a distinction with little practical difference.
This author should be raped than killed.

Brayden Garcia
Brayden Garcia

He's blaming Russian bots/trolls for getting absolutely ratio'd on that ancient tweet, but it's crazy how many American "pundits" are blaming Russia for the gilets jaunes movement

Nolan Wright
Nolan Wright

Holy fucking Christ
was right, this egomaniac just wants to die.

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Bentley Wilson
Bentley Wilson

Because historically two groups of people have a shit about localism: royalists and leftists. Since the royalists were basically ended by Vichy, the only people that advocate for regional devolution are the leftists. As such the two kinda have a link: not a definitive one but a link that isn't to be ignored.

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Adam Foster
Adam Foster

What's the royalist take?

Josiah Williams
Josiah Williams

Honestly wouldn't surprise me at this point if there were CIA posing as Russians getting involved in all these various anti-neoliberal movements to discredit them.

Austin Clark
Austin Clark

This is the best new Zig Forums meme tbh

Brandon Cooper
Brandon Cooper

Same as the Carlists tbh: "they're good catholics they should be left alone in their peasant villages under their local lords" ect. Brittany was actually a hub of reactionaryism through the French revolution because the revolutionaries were centralists that wanted every to speak [Parisian] French and were anti-catholic.

Jacob Hernandez
Jacob Hernandez

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Cooper Campbell
Cooper Campbell

Thanks fam

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Charles Sanchez
Charles Sanchez

Max Boot
Is a bootlicker of the ruling order to the max
Coincidence?

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Jayden Perry
Jayden Perry

Because they've been blaisé about enforcing things thus far (all of the stuff in rural areas has been CRN, not the actual local police) and many of them have been keeping yellow bibs in their patrol cars to show solidarity. Add to that Macron's city-elitism and the closer relationship rural police have with the people they have to arrest, it is reasonable they would revolt if ordered to lock-up down the road for a protest they agree with.
Will “Free French Police Force” become a thing.

Hudson Taylor
Hudson Taylor

Can't wait until the cop civil war

Jackson Nelson
Jackson Nelson

I mean Melenchon literally called for it. I honestly don't know: the only proper example of a police revolt I know of are the Serbs of Knin and that was separatist, not revolutionary. But police refusing to follow orders would stretch Paris' authority to the limit.

Benjamin Morgan
Benjamin Morgan

twitter.com/LabasOfficiel/status/1071413217723858944
CACA, PIPI, CAPITALISTE

Adrian Cruz
Adrian Cruz

twitter.com/LabasOfficiel/status/1071440558244184064
They're singing fucking Bella Ciao

Levi Smith
Levi Smith

twitter.com/LabasOfficiel/status/1071351370266173441
They're playing Махновчина, which is the tune of a Soviet Partisan song.

Evan Morris
Evan Morris

Seems fun. Beats the fuck out of our cucked American protests where you have to listen to retards chant “this is what democracy looks like”.

Landon Young
Landon Young

twitter.com/LabasOfficiel/status/1071406668796317698
Is this praxis?

Elijah Thomas
Elijah Thomas

It's not my revolution if I can't dance.
On a real though, that kind of thing is like '68 to the fucking T. Couples dancing in front of CRN with a brass band just to troll them (they're being occupied dealing with them instead of getting fighty on the Champs Élysée). It is top tier praxis, and looks fun ngl.

Isaiah Lewis
Isaiah Lewis

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Evan Ortiz
Evan Ortiz

Partisangirl is a retard and I want to fuck her.

John Thompson
John Thompson

New charter

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Isaiah Gonzalez
Isaiah Gonzalez

1) where has this come from
2) we need this translated and spread wide if it is any good.

Christopher Sullivan
Christopher Sullivan

what the fuck man

Justin Edwards
Justin Edwards

I have no idea who made this but god damn this is good

Bentley Davis
Bentley Davis

2742290
confuse humans to end confusion!
What's that supposed to mean you stupid racist fuck?
2742342
race mixing will end racism
*cries* in Brazilian
Techno fag continues to be one of the most retarded posters on this board.

Aaron Morales
Aaron Morales

tfw no qt yellow jacket gf

Brandon Wright
Brandon Wright

Dany le Pedophile is very concerned!
theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/08/daniel-cohn-bendit-gilets-jaunes-macron-may-68-paris-student-protest

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Isaac Davis
Isaac Davis

Im going to sleep,is the hype i have worth it?

Nicholas Gray
Nicholas Gray

Here's a rough Google translated pile of bullet-points until someone else makes a better one
<I - The Economy/Work
1. Constitutional ban on tax levies over 25% of citizen wealth
2. Immediate increase of "SMIC" (?), pensions and social of 40%
3. Massive hiring of public servants restore quality of public services, stations, hospitals, schools, postal offices
4.Housing: Plan construction of 5 million homes to lower rents and to boost economy. Punish prefects and mayors who leave homeless people sleeping outside
5. Banks: Make them smaller to protect from crisis, something, something?, break up the monopolies, prohibit public bailout
6. Cancel the debt: It does not need to be paid, it has been refunded more than once

James Martinez
James Martinez

Based and Basharpilled

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Noah Evans
Noah Evans

standard capitalist "social" "democrat" reforms

Luis Barnes
Luis Barnes

So nothing about bombing African nations in there?

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Ayden Gutierrez
Ayden Gutierrez

What the fuck, this guy is cancer. That "fuck your old woman" thing was the best graffiti so far. "In this age of #MeToo yada yada". Go eat a fucking flash-bang and die.

Adrian Williams
Adrian Williams

2744511
This is the only way the working class can hope to make waves to be honest. Take some time to school the right wing babbies who think this should be about naming the jew and ousting shitskins and turn them against anyone who paints the protests as liberal bullshit for these reasons. Most of them actually already have a head on their shoulders and actively expose these people as bad apples. This might actually be the most level headed /pol/ has been in years

Joseph Miller
Joseph Miller

If the people stick to the above charter, and are willing to go the distance, then by God yes.

Hunter Cruz
Hunter Cruz

is there any way this could be good for socialism? could a socialist party take advantage of this situation?
I know nothing about France and I know this is disorganazied enough to not be able to pin it to any ideology, but I've heard people say that "the ones behind this" are from Nazis to Communists, and I don't know what to believe.

Eli Williams
Eli Williams

23:Françafrique: Stop all pillaging and political and military meddling.give back the dirty money and goods stolen from the african people.retreat all troops stationed there.End the franc CFA system that maintain africa in poverty.Create true equels deal with the africans nations

Michael Hughes
Michael Hughes

Not everybody plays EU4.

Nolan Lewis
Nolan Lewis

Hahahaha wtf

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Jayden Thomas
Jayden Thomas

Kek my knowledge of French regions legit comes from EUIII man that was a game .

Adrian Carter
Adrian Carter

and yes the chart does not have things like "abolish private property" or full on socialism lines,it's pure socdem ON STEROID,still pretty based

Eli Parker
Eli Parker

Cancelling debt is a socdem reform.
Wut?

Adrian Robinson
Adrian Robinson

not knowing Brittany's flag when you're involved in politics professionally means you're legitimately retarded.

Benjamin Brown
Benjamin Brown

give back the dirty money and goods stolen from the african people

This part is dumb and isn’t going to win people over.

Juan Perez
Juan Perez

23:Françafrique: Stop all pillaging and political and military meddling.give back the dirty money and goods stolen from the african people.retreat all troops stationed there.End the franc CFA system that maintain africa in poverty.Create true equels deal with the africans nations
Nice. I'll give them respect for that. Not that I wasn't supportive before. But that puts them leagues above all the other so called leftists that have nothing of the sort in their platform.

Brody Jenkins
Brody Jenkins

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Jonathan Anderson
Jonathan Anderson

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Jack Nguyen
Jack Nguyen

<II - Policy
7. Constitutive: To rewrite a constitution by the people and for the interests of the sovereign people. Implementation of referendums on popular initiative.
8. Banning of lobbies and other networks of influence. Permanent exclusion from the political life of any elected official having criminal record [?], term limits [?]
9. Frexit: Exit from the EU to regain political, monetary and economic sovereignty (respect the referendum of 2005), regain the right to mint money — article 123 of the lisbon treaty [central banks can only "purchase money" from the ECB and cannot print their own freely] (50 billion euros of savings per year)
10. Tax evasion: recover the 80 billion euros abandoned by the state each year to the CAC 40 (French stock listing)
11. Immediate end to privatization and a recovery of public property: motorways, parking, airports, SNCF (French National Railway Company)
12. Radars and verbalizations: withdrawal of unnecessary radars and video verbalization which is nothing more than a tax disguised [I have no idea]
13. National education: exclude any ideology of this ministry and end destructive educational techniques (global method…) [?]

Luis Martin
Luis Martin

mvq les américans ne peuvent pas encore parler francais

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Dylan Kelly
Dylan Kelly

Ils apprendront,maintenant ou par la force

MADE BY FRENCH JUCHE GANG

Jose Lee
Jose Lee

btw I'm a lazy boy so I'm waiting till you finish to explain the points that google can't translate properly (maybe someone else actually is brave to do it at fucking 2 am though)

Mason Nguyen
Mason Nguyen

This part is dumb and isn’t going to win people over.
You mean it won't win over the racist nationalists. And you're dumb.

Camden Jones