Converting halfchan

Nicholas Cruz
Nicholas Cruz

Considering halfchan is full of angry teenagers who suffer the consequences of capitalism and who are only misguided because of their age, and that most absolutely despise wageslaving and idealize the NEET lifestyle, is it possible to convert them? They see us as a "them" full of SJWs and ill-informed childish people who "have never worked a day in their lives".
inb4 /pol/ screenshots and claims we are raiding them

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theconjurehouse.com/2018/12/03/this-is-why-your-uncle-is-still-racist/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvio_Gesell
store.steampowered.com/curator/26898915-Trans-tastic-Games/
oneangrygamer.net/2018/12/sony-japan-president-says-ps4-censorship-policy-is-to-match-global-standards-and-protect-kids/72781/
violentgamesformilitary.tumblr.com/
youtube.com/watch?v=ZnRYfYxcWh4
youtube.com/watch?v=pb7BIaaxGAU
merriam-webster.com/dictionary/corruption
merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pure
merriam-webster.com/dictionary/correct
youtube.com/watch?v=Mdo6WuWpwsc
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch01.htm#007
thriftbooks.com/w/the-age-of-fallibility-consequences-of-the-war-on-terror_george-soros/857274/#isbn=158648494X&idiq=2624701
youtu.be/NOaSdO5H91M?t=5
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch01.htm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotha_Program
livescience.com/4823-ancient-trade-changed-world.html

Jace Edwards
Jace Edwards

The rest of the site isn't as bad as /pol/.

Asher Hernandez
Asher Hernandez

you can not mention trans people or that you are a woman without derailing a thread
/r9k/, /v/ and /int/ are almost as bad and the rest of the site is predominantly right-wing

Charles Davis
Charles Davis

you can not mention trans people or that you are a woman without derailing a thread
Have you tried not derailing threads with your blogposts?

Andrew Perez
Andrew Perez

Kill yourself, roastie

Jose Young
Jose Young

trans people
Anybody here watch Zombieland Saga and browse /a/? If you do i'm sure you're familiar with a certain Hoshikawa Lily and the shitstorm he/she generated.

On another note, i've kind of given up of attempting to talk about leftist ideas on /a/. The /pol/ and anti-communist influence there is still too much.

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Charles Kelly
Charles Kelly

Once they have had a job and tried work they will never join our ranks.
We only really succeed with people whose entire income comes from their parents.

Jace Campbell
Jace Campbell

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Kevin Lewis
Kevin Lewis

It's anime, it's largely a product of consumerism where retards spend 200$ on over priced DVD's or Plastic Toys to hotglue.

William Walker
William Walker

He seems impressionable but hes probably too busy smoking blunts and getting laid to join our cause.

Brody Bailey
Brody Bailey

Don't even bother with halfchan. Its filled with reactionary boomers & zoomers. It is a lost cause, so let it die already.

Evan Brown
Evan Brown

Years ago i'm sure the NEETs on 4chan would agree to some basic leftist ideas (something like UBI for example) but trying to spread leftism now is hopeless, the current climate is too much against us.

Samuel Morgan
Samuel Morgan

/a/ here is cancer lately, especially the Zombieland Saga thread. I just tell blatant /pol/ to fuck off

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Lincoln Jones
Lincoln Jones

I'd tell blatant /pol/tards to fuck off from my hobby boards but they'd probably mob me and call me a lefty tranny or a cuck. I'm just so tired of it.

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Christopher Wilson
Christopher Wilson

Why do /pol/yps project so often
Back to your mongrel containment board retard

Eli Adams
Eli Adams

trans aren't people

David Peterson
David Peterson

Kill yourself faggot

Brody Scott
Brody Scott

tranny/pol/ tells me to kms
like clockwork

Ryan Green
Ryan Green

Who cares if people on the internet mob at you. The guy who was posting the 30 year old boomer memes also got mobbed on and look at where that meme is now. So chill out you faggot.

Colton Evans
Colton Evans

Can you please stop talking about trannies for one second.

Ok i'm chilling.

Colton Powell
Colton Powell

You should try it, it's pretty funny. I went on to 4/v/ for the first time in years the other week and after some shitposting in one thread people started bullying /pol/ and defending the USSR.

Chase Green
Chase Green

That sounds hilarious. Wish i could've seen it.

Jeremiah Flores
Jeremiah Flores

defending a genocidal fascist empire built on jewish supremacy
the absolute state of 4cuck

Lincoln Reed
Lincoln Reed

Someone tried pulling the old bullshit born in the USSR card and a Slav actually born there spotted it and ripped everyone to pieces. There was another Brit in there shitposting too.
They deserved it.

Christian Ortiz
Christian Ortiz

They pretty much mostly reddit centrists
Not really leftist but /v/ is ok

Nathaniel Bailey
Nathaniel Bailey

The only I'd do this is to watch /pol/yps screech and cry.
4chan hasn't been worth visisting since 2016.
muh jooizh gobbudidsms
(you)

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John Reyes
John Reyes

you can not mention trans people or that you are a woman without derailing a thread
The idea behind 4chan is that you stay anonymous.

Lucas Carter
Lucas Carter

They have a point in that even revealing your gender through context, when its relevant to the discussion, risks derailing the thread on certain boards.

Thomas Nelson
Thomas Nelson

mentioning you’re a woman is fucking dumb. it’s an anonymous website for people to talk about their hobbies, just have a fucking conversation and if you disagree make arguments. I don’t understand why you rosaries actively hurt your experience all the time.

Andrew Lee
Andrew Lee

Even then I'm skeptical of the idea that it's all because of reactionary sexism. A lot of people posting on 4chan are sexually frustrated young men who were never properly socialized. When they spot a girl they freak out.

Jose Wright
Jose Wright

implying
the leaders in the attempted german commie revolution were kikes too
so were they in MY country

Carson Johnson
Carson Johnson

when its relevant to the discussion
this is rarely the case

Jeremiah Adams
Jeremiah Adams

this is rarely the case
When people are greentexting things that happened to them and such it'll often be relevant.

Chase Sanders
Chase Sanders

see the post above.
on /b/ and /v/, in my experience, when the subject of conversation forces someone to reveal they're a girl just by talking about it normally, it can derail the thread
this wasn't as bad on small hobby boards in the past(I met a cute girl on /jp/ once), but still
yes, rarely, but occasionally.
I think this was the case in the past, but after /pol/ metastasized Its probably a combination of both depending on which board you're on.

Julian Gonzalez
Julian Gonzalez

when did USA had communist revolution?

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Logan Roberts
Logan Roberts

[boomer]
2008
[/boomer]

Robert Garcia
Robert Garcia

/g/ is quite left-leaning, or at least libertarian. Definitely not right-wing or /pol/ even though /pol/ missionaries try to convert people there.

Lincoln Scott
Lincoln Scott

its also infested with techno-corporate shilling and apologia promulgated by contrarians amongst contrarians.

Jackson Long
Jackson Long

you will never defeat race realism it is too strong

we have the monopoly on the truth

Grayson Roberts
Grayson Roberts

t. /pomo/

Nicholas Jones
Nicholas Jones

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Nolan Reyes
Nolan Reyes

Welp time off yourself mutt. Nice knowing ya.

Anyways I feel that its a losing battle as most the gamers now have fallen for the shit that is id pol. That they truly dont understand why their hobby is shit and blame it on the boogie main of pc culture and the sjws liberals. Then you got the big companies that continue to pick up the consumer and ring them dry for every little bit of cash they have. Because you have guliable sheepies that will still defend those practices.

Grayson Jones
Grayson Jones

I've been thinking about making a critical history of GamerGate on YouTube or something. Maybe telling the story from a leftist perspective could get some people to see the mess /v/ has gotten into.

Ryan Wood
Ryan Wood

You could, and make sure that you are ready for the idiots to come out the woodwork. Though looking at it from a leftist perspective would draw them out anyways. Good luck on that though and maybe then we can have them realize idpol isnt everything.

Dylan Anderson
Dylan Anderson

posting outside generals

Austin Perry
Austin Perry

Imageboards should have never touched politics at all. It would have been far better if they had all died in the late 2000s.

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Dylan Torres
Dylan Torres

a few eternal linux/desktop threads does not the community of a board make

Brody Edwards
Brody Edwards

The rest of the site isn't as bad as /pol/.
/pol/ is filled with the most disgusting boomers. I almost feel bad for the younger neo-Orthodox reactionaries that can still stand to post over there.

Elijah Phillips
Elijah Phillips

do or die
album praises organized labor
ancap

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Gabriel Price
Gabriel Price

Occupy wallstreet failed because of the oppression olympics that started, as well as the smashies doing their usual routine.

Josiah Wright
Josiah Wright

I was referring to the election of obama. think like a boomer.

Brandon Cook
Brandon Cook

lol no it didn't. It didn't even fail, one cannot fail when one has no goals. It expressed displeasure, that's all it was ever meant to do.

Jaxon Flores
Jaxon Flores

The problem I have with right-wingers is that they are idiots who don't know basic facts about anything, making it impossible to reason with them. They think they're on the verge of Hitler 2.0 taking over the world. It's delusional and insane. They don't even have the ability to rationally analyze their own situation let along that of anything outside their own myopic worldview. I think it's boomers mainly and statistics probably bears this out. Trump actually lost white men under 30, which is remarkable. (The absolute jabroni Mitt Romney won them in 2012.) You don't see communists going around saying the revolution is imminent. Well, maybe a few say that but they're just as nuts.

You can't predict it, in any case.

I've gotten through sometimes by just hammering on about neoliberal centrists with a hardline left position without using the usual Marxist jargon, which is a foreign language to them anyways. A lot of them believe – correctly – that the neoliberal status quo of the past 30 years is in serious trouble; and I think reactionaries often see the big picture more clearly than the mainline liberals, though their solutions will only make the crisis worse. Tbh I'm starting to see communism as more of a Chaos mentality where the point is to metastasize dissatisfaction with the status quo to the extent that the right loses control of its own ability to manage the situation.
Anyways I feel that its a losing battle as most the gamers now have fallen for the shit that is id pol. That they truly dont understand why their hobby is shit and blame it on the boogie main of pc culture and the sjws liberals.
From the companies' perspective, the anti-idpol people are kind of irrelevant to their bottom line; the entertainment industry more broadly. I remember /pol/ making a lot of hay about the Black Panther movie and hoping it would bomb in the box office as if that would be indicative of their own political progress – it made $1.3 billion.

I saw the other day this obese gamer guy named Boogie trying to start a crusade in defense of PewDiePie after he was knocked off a spot on the YouTube charts because of some algorithm tweak or something (???) which had Bollywood music videos take the number one spot. But just by sheer eyeballs alone the Bollywood stuff is way more popular. I don't see any problem with the great cultural leveling effect of globalization – despite all this talk of neo-nationalism the world's people mashing themselves together appears to be accelerating. I suppose this contradiction is at the heart of the dialectic.

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Tyler Robinson
Tyler Robinson

Ancaps would definitely fall in my books into the category of idiots who listen to music without actually listening to it. Or perhaps he's got some personal special snowflake ancapism which isn't somehow in conflict with unions, or something? I doubt it.
Pic unrelated.

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Aaron Robinson
Aaron Robinson

They think they're on the verge of Hitler 2.0 taking over the world. It's delusional and insane. They don't even have the ability to rationally analyze their own situation let along that of anything outside their own myopic worldview
I never thought about this but you're right. the far right is literally all delusion.

Julian Reyes
Julian Reyes

It's actually soviet russian spy which helped Trump to bring global communism closer. Promoting "anarcho-capitalist" ideology is extremely dialectical, because regressing back to feudal regime increases chance of global socialist revolution.

Carson Turner
Carson Turner

theconjurehouse.com/2018/12/03/this-is-why-your-uncle-is-still-racist/

Luis Flores
Luis Flores

It's bullshit /l/ is only allowed on /b/ and not /d/.

Isaac Bell
Isaac Bell

fuck off pedo

William Cooper
William Cooper

Fuck off moralfag

Asher Lee
Asher Lee

not a moralfag I just hate shit taste

Wyatt Lewis
Wyatt Lewis

some basic leftist ideas (something like UBI for example)

Are you talking about the Huey Long Spread the Wealth sort of UBI or the Milton Friedman WE NEED TO PAY POOR PEOPLE TO KEEP THEM FROM KILLING US one

Aaron Rodriguez
Aaron Rodriguez

Or the Actual Market Anarchist UBI
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvio_Gesell

Ian Ward
Ian Ward

Oh God I miss how chill everything was before shitposters and everyone becoming crazy right-wingers.

I am crying.

Daniel Morgan
Daniel Morgan

That pic has soul, now it is soulless

Christian Brooks
Christian Brooks

This entire thread is filled with reactionary commies.

You seek control over people because you cannot handle your own fee-feez.

The problem isn't people, the problem is you.

<if I control what everyone thinks and control all of society through commieism muh fee-feez won't surface and trigger me! 😭

THIS USER WAS BANNED BY A TRIGGERED COMMIE

Mason King
Mason King

how come /pol/'s only argument is strawman?

Mason Young
Mason Young

You just triggered XD
</pol/yp Ideology is literally built around purging and killing everyone that triggers you

Leo Reed
Leo Reed

Communists complain about people being feels>reals
"if I control what everyone thinks and control all of society through commieism muh fee-fYou're entire ideology is based on fee-feez in response to liberal fee-feez. Its funny how historically in the past when we were eez won't surface and trigger me!"
Funny how when we were doing what was historically necessary the accusation was the opposite, that we were cold and uncaring and did not take for tradition or spirit. The reality is that no matter what we do, you'll always complain and jump to the other end in reaction.

Ethan Ramirez
Ethan Ramirez

Tbh I'm starting to see communism as more of a Chaos mentality where the point is to metastasize dissatisfaction with the status quo to the extent that the right loses control of its own ability to manage the situation.

Holy shit is this what "All is chaos under Heaven, the situation is excellent" means?

Logan Collins
Logan Collins

you're right but I still recommend you lay off the dope

Grayson Rivera
Grayson Rivera

Yep, more trannies and faggots will save vidya games.

Carson Brooks
Carson Brooks

how come /pol/'s only argument is to strawman?

Adam Ortiz
Adam Ortiz

2741415
yes it's a strawman. we have this thread every day

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Hudson Lee
Hudson Lee

2741419
epic

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Chase Davis
Chase Davis

i'm bad at proselytizing so i wish you well. if they come, they will come. if not, they won't.
have similar views when it comes to converting the unwashed masses.

Jose Torres
Jose Torres

2741419
How? What qualifies you as "SJW cuckold" exactly?

Andrew Morgan
Andrew Morgan

2741415
OP says nothing of faggots and trannies
Image says nothing of faggots and trannies
Proceed to go on about faggots and trannies anyway
Pathological
2741419
Marx and Engels were both SJW cuckolds.
Kindly proceed to your nearest wall

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Wyatt Torres
Wyatt Torres

experiencing how shitty work is under capitalism will sureley make them love capitalism
/pol/ logic at it's finest

Jaxson Cooper
Jaxson Cooper

Amazing levels of projection.

Jonathan Myers
Jonathan Myers

cringe

Jace Reed
Jace Reed

They are reactionaries. It's just that favor Japanese reactionary ideas (so buggery and traps are acceptable ; Western style trans and homo identity aren't).

Christian Perez
Christian Perez

Japan is what America will look like in 40 years. prove me wrong.

Caleb Hughes
Caleb Hughes

The alt-right is basically a self-help club for dissatisfied young males. I've talked to so many internet right-wingers who are genuinely fucked up mentally ill NEETS, for whom alt-right larping is the only thing that motivates them not to kill themselves and do something with their lives. Note that I'm not going on an usual "they're just poor alienated proles!" apologist spiel, just explaining where they come from. It's an apolitical movement at its core. Yes, fascism is retarded and communism is right, but these people aren't looking for a political ideology in the first place. They need someone to tell them that jews and niggers are the reason their lives suck, and that they should lift and do nofap to get a qt aryan gf with many children. Marxism can be right ten times over but unless it offers the same feeling of community and motivation for self-improvement it does not appeal to them. You're far more likely to convert a generic /r9k/ loser by spamming photos of Soviet bodybuilders than telling them to read 100 books and learn the truth. The hypothetical way to "convert" 4chan is not owning nazis with facts and logic, but presenting leftism as a tool of motivation and self-improvement. Unfortunately it's hard to compete with fascism in giving loser teens feelings of self-worth and appealing to latent homosexuality.

Of course the extent to which one needs to convert 4chan right now is up to debate, because the aut-right is a passing fad and once the American economy implodes in a couple years all those NEETs will be forced to proletarianize and change their priorities.

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Christopher Russell
Christopher Russell

Both the redneck /pol/ and this gay board have this retarded appeal to failed ideologies (it is worse here, I think). If anybody here isn't a complete moron, then migrate to a model of discussion based on analyzing a extremely relevant problem (healthcare, currency, defense, education, …) in depth and proposing several solutions. Anything other than that is worthless intellectual mastutbation.

Ryder Kelly
Ryder Kelly

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Lincoln Rivera
Lincoln Rivera

migrate to a model of discussion based on analyzing a extremely relevant problem (healthcare, currency, defense, education, …) in depth and proposing several solutions

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Jose Brown
Jose Brown

Yeah that's all very accurate. Interesting thing is that Orwell had something similar to say about Hitlerism in his review of Mein Kampf:

Suppose that Hitler’s programme could be put into effect. What he envisages, a hundred years hence, is a continuous state of 250 million Germans with plenty of ‘living room’ (i.e. stretching to Afghanistan or thereabouts), a horrible brainless empire in which, essentially, nothing ever happens except the training of young men for war and the endless breeding of fresh cannon-fodder. How was it that he was able to put this monstrous vision across? It is easy to say that at one stage of his career he was financed by the heavy industrialists, who saw in him the man who would smash the Socialists and Communists. They would not have backed him, however, if he had not talked a great movement into existence already. Again, the situation in Germany, with its seven million unemployed, was obviously favourable for demagogues. But Hitler could not have succeeded against his many rivals if it had not been for the attraction of his own personality, which one can feel even in the clumsy writing of Mein Kampf, and which is no doubt overwhelming when one hears his speeches…The fact is that there is something deeply appealing about him. One feels it again when one sees his photographs—and I recommend especially the photograph at the beginning of Hurst and Blackett’s edition, which shows Hitler in his early Brownshirt days. It is a pathetic, dog-like face, the face of a man suffering under intolerable wrongs. In a rather more manly way it reproduces the expression of innumerable pictures of Christ crucified, and there is little doubt that that is how Hitler sees himself. The initial, personal cause of his grievance against the universe can only be guessed at; but at any rate the grievance is here. He is the martyr, the victim, Prometheus chained to the rock, the self-sacrificing hero who fights single-handed against impossible odds. If he were killing a mouse he would know how to make it seem like a dragon. One feels, as with Napoleon, that he is fighting against destiny, that he can’t win, and yet that he somehow deserves to. The attraction of such a pose is of course enormous; half the films that one sees turn upon some such theme.

Also he has grasped the falsity of the hedonistic attitude to life. Nearly all western thought since the last war, certainly all ‘progressive’ thought, has assumed tacitly that human beings desire nothing beyond ease, security and avoidance of pain. In such a view of life there is no room, for instance, for patriotism and the military virtues. The Socialist who finds his children playing with soldiers is usually upset, but he is never able to think of a substitute for the tin soldiers; tin pacifists somehow won’t do. Hitler, because in his own joyless mind he feels it with exceptional strength, knows that human beings don’tonly want comfort, safety, short working-hours, hygiene, birth-control and, in general, common sense; they also, at least intermittently, want struggle and self-sacrifice, not to mention drums, flags and loyalty-parades. However they may be as economic theories, Fascism and Nazism are psychologically far sounder than any hedonistic conception of life. The same is probably true of Stalin’s militarised version of Socialism. All three of the great dictators have enhanced their power by imposing intolerable burdens on their peoples. Whereas Socialism, and even capitalism in a more grudging way, have said to people ‘I offer you a good time,’ Hitler has said to them ‘I offer you struggle, danger and death,’ and as a result a whole nation flings itself at his feet. Perhaps later on they will get sick of it and change their minds, as at the end of the last war. After a few years of slaughter and starvation ‘Greatest happiness of the greatest number’ is a good slogan, but at this moment ‘Better an end with horror than a horror without end’ is a winner. Now that we are fighting against the man who coined it, we ought not to underrate its emotional appeal.”

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Xavier Anderson
Xavier Anderson

casually mentioning your gender
blogpost

Benjamin Murphy
Benjamin Murphy

migrate to a model of discussion based on analyzing a extremely relevant problem (healthcare, currency, defense, education, …) in depth and proposing several solutions
also mentions intellectual masturbation
The irony

Nicholas Baker
Nicholas Baker

getting laid

Adam Campbell
Adam Campbell

Damn, that's pretty good. Also what the hell is going on in that pic?

Brayden Long
Brayden Long

feeling the need to casually mention your gender

Carter Rodriguez
Carter Rodriguez

This
They are all shit though.

Owen Richardson
Owen Richardson

I actually have no idea how many variations of UBI there are, i was just suggesting for a basic idea of it. I remember the idea being popular among NEETs back then.

Brody Edwards
Brody Edwards

I just googled "Nazi exercise."

Elijah Rogers
Elijah Rogers

If there's one thing I like about you fucking communists, is that you are just as dissatisfied and dissapointed with the current state of the world, albeit for different reasons. Bottom line is, your greatest mistake was trusting jews, on anything, ever. or being jews, seriously, kys yids

Brayden Gonzalez
Brayden Gonzalez

cool larp bro

Colton Thomas
Colton Thomas

Is there any day where /pol/cucks aren't obsessed with "muh jews"?

Joseph Perez
Joseph Perez

The point of these imageboards is that everyone is anonymous and only their ideas (memes) matter. Why should anyone give a shit about someone's gender?

Grayson Bell
Grayson Bell

It's a nice self-destructive ideology imo, I've already been seeing people portray Hitler as a jewish agent and looking at the ancestry of "redpilled" thinkers

Carson Hughes
Carson Hughes

muh meeeemes

Liam Martin
Liam Martin

muh genderrrrrr
Post tits.

Luis Reyes
Luis Reyes

I wish I had tits but sadly do not

John Scott
John Scott

How ridiculous, we all know Hitler was a British agent.

Robert Rogers
Robert Rogers

what's the difference?

Matthew Turner
Matthew Turner

I have noticed that lately /v/ermin openly use resetera as a boogeyman on /a/. They aren't even subtle about their crossboarder origins.

Charles Sanders
Charles Sanders

Probably /pol/ crossboarders.

Angel Ramirez
Angel Ramirez

instantly banned for pointing out communism is the ideology of trannies and faggots
How do you faggots convert anyone when all you do is enforcing wrongthinks?

Brody Gray
Brody Gray

Nice to see Zig Forums crossboarders here.

inb4 but we different tho

Elijah Howard
Elijah Howard

Slight difference between posting on a different board and obsessively posting your stupid politics shit on every thread in a hobby board after falseflagging as your weekly bogeyman.
You're the reason the internet is shit now, retard.

Tyler Young
Tyler Young

There are two types of rightypolers, people who are ignorant or people who are legitimate assholes. Don't even think about trying to educate the latter.
As for the former, I think it's all about framing the conversation.
Don't look down on them. Don't label them as reactionaries or whatever. People don't like being antagonized and if you do that they're gonna think you're an asshole (for good reason) and dismiss everything you say as an attack on them.
Don't use weird jargon. The average person doesn't know what shit like class consciousness or the spectacle means, even if they abstractly understand the ideas. Argue your points in layman's terms.
Pick the hill to die on. There are some hot topic issues that you are best not arguing about. Keep your talking points limited to uncontroversial ideas like wealth inequality and the inherent problems with profit-driven economies. Those are easy sells that we can all agree on.
And of course, be smart. Know how to counter the Ben Shapiro tactic of debating where right-wingers will just cite random bullshit that sounds smart to the layman but doesn't add up.

Ian Sullivan
Ian Sullivan

I don't see how it's boogeymen when they are living and breathing. Do you deny the existence of resetera, tumblr, SJW, marxist communists?

The fact Zig Forums crossposts there and shills for transgenderism is proof that /pol/ is right.

Alexander Ortiz
Alexander Ortiz

resetera
literally what
tumblr
It's a website yes, but literally nobody who isn't a retard thinks it is some fucking SJW hiveworld. It's a shitty ass blog site that is dying because they banned porn for corporate interests.
SJW
Almost as much of a small meme minority of the population as you are, with both of you thankfully having literally 0 power anywhere.
marxist communists
As opposed to what, Utopian Communists? There is literally nothing wrong with Marx.

now go back to /pol/ and cry to your boomer friends

Gabriel Mitchell
Gabriel Mitchell

literally what
A website of SJWs?
It's a website yes, but literally nobody who isn't a retard thinks it is some fucking SJW hiveworld.
But it is? The most vocal part of tumblr is SJW.
Almost as much of a small meme minority of the population as you are
Really? They seem to be all over colleges and even here.
As opposed to what, Utopian Communists?
Yes?
There is literally nothing wrong with Marx.
Aside from his oppression theory, his stupid economic concept, etc.
now go back to /pol/ and cry to your boomer friends
Cry about what? Leftist subversion? Because it's a real thing.

Robert Howard
Robert Howard

Get the fuck off imageboards, Gertrude.

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Jason Bailey
Jason Bailey

How the fuck do you expect to convince anyone when you act like little girl when you are confronted of your bullshit?

Josiah Mitchell
Josiah Mitchell

The fact Zig Forums crossposts there
proof?
shills for transgenderism
Let me guess who is paying? Soros.

Bentley Bailey
Bentley Bailey

proof?
Right in this thread, when Zig Forumsers complain about "/pol/" in /a/.
Let me guess who is paying? Soros.
Yup. But the more pathetic ones do it for free.

David Peterson
David Peterson

What bullshit you daft old biddy

Henry Turner
Henry Turner

The part when point out that communism is the ideology of the trannies and faggots, mods instantly ban me?

Ethan Edwards
Ethan Edwards

MUH TRANNNNIESSS
MUH FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGS

O B S E S S E D

Jayden Kelly
Jayden Kelly

Not everyone who is against /pol/'s bullshit is one of us.

Yup. But the more pathetic ones do it for free.
Imagine even believing Soros actually pays for people to encourage others to become trannies. This board is generally anti-idpol. This is my own personal belief but the increase of "gender dysphoria" is a result of capitalist decadence and alienation. You are no different than the liberals (not marxists, pick up a fucking dictionary) you hate…"oh if people would just behave in a certain way, ignoring reality things would become perfect"

fucking moron.

Jonathan Myers
Jonathan Myers

I'm not obsessed about it as much as I point out the truth.
Not everyone who is against /pol/'s bullshit is one of us.
Yeah, they can come from leddit, resetera, tumblr, fucking Something Awful, you are not the SJW hives of the internet, bud.
Imagine even believing Soros actually pays for people to encourage others to become trannies.
Yes he does.
This board is generally anti-idpol.
Transgenderism IS idpol.

Caleb Brown
Caleb Brown

Unfortunately I'm still waiting for the part where capitalism leaves senile old boomers to rot in their own piss, but I get the feeling it will come before I convince you to stop being retarded.

Chase Collins
Chase Collins

literally just layer it with slurs or extreme vulgarity and yell at radlibs. it's fucking easy. you've got to give them the tools to effectively criticize/dismiss this stuff. can't expect Americans to just wake up one day with political literacy.

Noah Rivera
Noah Rivera

I'm not obsessed about it as much as I point out the truth.
You are obsessed. I couldn't give a fuck less about "trannies" and "faggots" yet in every post you have to bring them up.

Noah Rodriguez
Noah Rodriguez

Oh okay, I'm a zoomer.
You are obsessed. I couldn't give a fuck less about "trannies" and "faggots" yet in every post you have to bring them up.
You don't give a fuck about them because you literally want to ignore them in a conversation.

Because if point out, you will be forced to take a stance, and thus bad goy point.

But there's case where this cannot be avoided especially in the Zombieland anime.

Easton Johnson
Easton Johnson

Why are /pol/shits such eternal victims?

Landon Perez
Landon Perez

it's funny how they shift between "literally days away from the day of the rope" to "whites are literally about to go extinct as a species" in a matter of minutes at times.

Jackson Walker
Jackson Walker

Zombieland
Why not just enjoy the fucking show – a comedy – and go on with your fucking life. retard? It's been three weeks since it aired

Adam Wood
Adam Wood

Oh okay, I'm a zoomer.
Enjoy your recession you retarded fag.

Xavier Hill
Xavier Hill

yeah man, that's probably why trust fund kids are ALWAYS (quite literally without a single exception) either neoliberals or borderline fascists and why the socialist movement is built almost entirely by the working class

Andrew Parker
Andrew Parker

Most of the hard MLs I know are both preeeetty radical and come from poor, working-class backgrounds. The D*SA types are a mix and include more professional white-collar workers in my experience.

Kayden Gonzalez
Kayden Gonzalez

Resetera is a VIDEO GAME forum who thinks Senran Kagura is loli, and Tumblr is literally imploding on itself and mainly populated by literal underageb& girls who wouldn't touch 4chan with a ten foot pole, and the other terms have been so diluted they just mean "anything left of reagan" nowadays.
You idiots could come with a boogeyman appropiate for /a/ when called out on your bullshit with five minutes of research, instead of reusing the ones you use for /v/, hell, just namedrop /leftyweebpol/ next time, it could use the traffic.

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Parker Parker
Parker Parker

I found it silly and sad how on some /a/ spinoff sites the reaction was mainly "she has a dick? that's hot" while 4chan imploded on itself.

David Williams
David Williams

I was disappointed by the trap reveal because it killed off yuri shipping potential.

Camden Hughes
Camden Hughes

Marx's oppression theory
You have brain worms.

I thought they liked traps, did the hivemind already do a 180 and started to hate them? Ironic maga hat weebs were all over Astolfo and shit only a couple months ago

William Nelson
William Nelson

Gives justification to their violent pulsions.
I want to kill brown people how can i legitimize such thing, humm i know i'll preted that they want to kill me first.

Most of the time, these people do it subconsiously because it causes a moral dilemma, killing random people is bad and they don't want to see themselves as "the bad guys" but if they pretend that they are victims the dilemma is gone because that would be fair self defense.

On other occasion these people are genuinely paranoid, they believe that shit simply because their brain is defective.
Why do you think so much rightwingers are into inrowars and conspiracy theories.

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Charles Rodriguez
Charles Rodriguez

The paranoia explanation makes more sense to me than the violent compulsions.
What also plays a role is that they're insecure. They're pathologically terrified of the implication of being soyboy cucks.
And they want an enemy to scapegoat for the meaninglessness of their lives, instead of correctly building a systemic analysis of it. Jordan Peterson makes this desire especially apparent.

Alexander Howard
Alexander Howard

(me)
Further, liberalism has put a hypocritical distortion of left-wing morals in position of moral majority. These people are reacting to occasional expressions of the hypocrisy (in the form of the fabled SJW), and also on intrusions by this moral majority into their (counter-)cultural sphere (increased political correctness is in conflict with image board culture). Since they aren't politically principled they translate this into right-wing beliefs. It is pure identity politics.

Luis Powell
Luis Powell

Maybe this is true for the methed-out skinhead kind of old guard rightist, but not for internet neetsocs. They really just want a scapegoat who is responsible for their lives sucking, but blaming capitalism seems too boring and mainstream for them. Using aryan magic to struggle against black orcs and jewish sorcerers is more fun and novel, especially when your life mostly revolves around videogames and anime. Or they're just lumpens and petits who see the system crumbling around them but are incapable of putting it into economic terms because of atrophied class interests.

Ian Butler
Ian Butler

(me)
(me)
I just realized these points are incredibly helpful in determining avenues for left-wing conversion.
What also plays a role is that they're insecure. They're pathologically terrified of the implication of being soyboy cucks.
This can be turned back on itself. Comparing their psychology to that of an insecure middle-schooler shows them to be the weakling. We need to attack cringe culture as being cringe itself, and a cancer destroying the internet. It helps that the word "cringe" is a meme at this point. You can post image macros poking fun at the loser cringefag.
they want an enemy to scapegoat for the meaninglessness of their lives
We can provide this for them. No problem. Just need to sharpen our rhetoric a bit. Talk about porkies and spooks.
distortion of left-wing morals in position of moral majority
We need to demonstrate that the right-wing has similarly invaded their cultural sphere. Refer to the boomer, zoomer, /pol/yp, Stormfront and Breitbart. The great banter on the site was taken seriously by a bunch of absolute morons and shills. They co-opted 4chan for their own moralfaggotry. Time has come to put up resistance.
We should also point out their lack of principle in adopting right-wing beliefs. 4chan wouldn't be allowed to exist under their preferred society.

Nathan Garcia
Nathan Garcia

Resetera is a VIDEO GAME forum who thinks Senran Kagura is loli,
And they are SJW and they still talk about anime.
and Tumblr is literally imploding on itself and mainly populated by literal underageb& girls who wouldn't touch 4chan with a ten foot pole
And they are also SJW and they also browse 4chan.
and the other terms have been so diluted they just mean "anything left of reagan" nowadays.
And it is true, all leftists are SJWs.
You idiots could come with a boogeyman appropiate for /a/
What fucking boogeymen? Tumblr, resetera, leddit, and this board are all SJW hives that actively subvert the internet. This thread is a living proof of that.

Mason Lopez
Mason Lopez

4chan would not exist anywhere on Earth except a right wing society that believes in self control and free speech.

The fact it holds loli means most left wingers will want to destroy it.

Cameron Carter
Cameron Carter

using muh sjw
Are you 12 or a timetraveler from 2013?

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Matthew Lopez
Matthew Lopez

Board culture in the recent years has been based on the idea that the complainer is always wrong. If you have strong negative opinions on anything then you're a crying wojak and a loser. The only winning move is to be a centrist normalfag who just goes with the flow and apathetically ignores things that bother him. The stormfront brigade has managed to use this mentality to their benefit, by convincing people that right-wing nationalism and social conservatism are default "normal people opinions" and anyone who opposes them is a complainer. One of the best tactics as far as redpilling /pol/acks goes is showing THEM as the complainers. Which is absolutely true, they are easily more whiny and pissy than tumblr SJWs nowadays. GANG WEED is a good meme for that, but we definitely need more.

You are 100% underage and shouldn't be on halfchan or here either.

Dylan Hughes
Dylan Hughes

SJW are living breathing human beings, why are you so scared when people mention them?

Charles Ross
Charles Ross

Actually 4kuks mods ban anything political, they are scared of it.

And I am 27, I think I am older than you for christ sake.

Asher Brown
Asher Brown

Okay, this is bait.

Landon Murphy
Landon Murphy

Inb4 le mod bans me again

How can anyone call /pol/ an echochamber when this board is a literal USSR when it comes to dissening opinions?

Luke Brooks
Luke Brooks

It's less about banning dissenting opinions and more about right-wingers being incapable of arguing without using strawmen and retarded non-sequiturs. The mods try to keep board quality relatively high and you sound like a 13 year old "fortnite sjw killer" from youtube comments under a Sargon video. You absolutely deserve to get banned.

David Roberts
David Roberts

How am I deserved to be banned? For pointimg out SJW exist, which is an uncomfortable truth for you guys?

Carson Fisher
Carson Fisher

SJW exist
Not really tho
Only a very small number even in anglo states
They are pretty much the female/black version of /pol/tards in every sense(well not that genocidal)

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Cooper Diaz
Cooper Diaz

Nope, there is not a small number of them.

The millions who join in Women March and Slut Walk are SJW.

And unlike /pol/ack, you are encouraged to be SJW.

Jacob Reed
Jacob Reed

You deserve to be banned because you're a fucking child who thinks that censored anime titties and niggers in videogames are the most important political issues to exist, and the whole world is divided among their lines. You cannot fathom that there are people who genuinely do not care about your retarded internet turf wars and think there are more important issues.

Evan Smith
Evan Smith

And unlike /pol/ack, you are encouraged to be SJW.
that kind of thing happens when your ideology is based on genocide

Eli Collins
Eli Collins

Why? I have no problem with the world, why you gotta censor my anime tiddies?

In fact that is the strange part. Of all things, why anime tiddie? When you question that, everything becomes clear.
Leftism is genocidal in thoughts and genetics. SJW want straight white men gone.
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

Jaxson Gutierrez
Jaxson Gutierrez

In fact that is the strange part. Of all things, why anime tiddie? When you question that, everything becomes clear
Cause you have to be SFW to put ads
Also anime are degenerate

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Eli Sanders
Eli Sanders

There is no problem putting gay and tranny shit, why you have a problem with straight shit?

When you go that far, you cannot go back.

Jackson Morgan
Jackson Morgan

There is no problem putting gay and tranny shit
Ehh no

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Logan Robinson
Logan Robinson

How to tell that the poster is too young to remember when it were the "based white conservatives" who were obsessed with censoring entertainment. Almost like there's virtually no difference between them and mainstream """leftists""".

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Elijah Bennett
Elijah Bennett

Banned again.

Zig Forums cannot handle discussion.

inb4 thousand pages of /pol/ analysis while ignoring SJW.
Not one tranny and fag games have been censored.

Connor Robinson
Connor Robinson

Jack Thompson was concerned about muh vidya violence.

SJW is concerned about vidya violence, racisim, sexism, -ism. And they are taken seriously.

Easton Hall
Easton Hall

tranny and fag games
What?
The fact that you cant bring an example shows how totaly not crazy you are…..

Joseph Rogers
Joseph Rogers

LOL
store.steampowered.com/curator/26898915-Trans-tastic-Games/

Ian Kelly
Ian Kelly

What does that mean?
I dont see any straight white male genocide….

Adam White
Adam White

Trans and fag games aren't censored if they don't feature full frontal nudity (not that there are many in the first place, that steam list only has shitty indies). If you think games are censored just for having hetero relationships in them, then you're one fucking stupid nigger detached from reality. And if you think conservatives have never censored sexuality then I don't know what to say. You're a retarded nigger squared, I'm surprised you remember how to breathe.

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Ryan Gomez
Ryan Gomez

I never gave a damn about any of this Gamergate business because there are so many fucking video games already. As in: goddamn you children, you have more video games than you could possibly play through in your life and that's just the ones that have already been created, and more are coming out every day. You entitled baby. You could play hundreds of hours as a custom-modded Nazi furry in Morrowind if you wanted to. Nobody is stopping you. All this "X wants to take my video games away" is a bunch of nonsense and cyber-manipulation.

Anyways, I only play those really complicated wargames with hideous graphics, which is what a proper Marxist-Leninist should do.

Hunter Lopez
Hunter Lopez

don't watch porn, it's degenerate
muh anime tiddies

Cameron Butler
Cameron Butler

Funny there is literal a dystopian game where men forced to become tranny in that list.
Now having big boobs cam be censored as well, front nudity has nothing to do with it.

Meanwhile these games feature tranny sex and absolutely none of it is censored.
Coulda, shoulda, I play wargames too and they are coming for that too
Nothing is safe from SJW and calling people whiners do not solve the problems.

Oliver Fisher
Oliver Fisher

There is degenerate porn, anime tiddies are not.

Austin Russell
Austin Russell

Meanwhile these games feature tranny sex and absolutely none of it is censored.
They literally do not. Why do you lie?

porn is degenerate, except porn that I like
/pol/ in a nutshell

Brayden Evans
Brayden Evans

Funny there is literal a dystopian game where men forced to become tranny in that list
Isnt the whole point of the game that it IS A DYSTOPIA
Even that evil tranny sjw group calls it a dystopia
also another shitty inde
Dude you are boring

Adam Garcia
Adam Garcia

Huh, they do though.

And how is anime tiddies degenerate?

Asher Sanchez
Asher Sanchez

I do not see any of them are censored or banned.

Meanwhile, loli and incest games are being banned off Steam.

Caleb Ortiz
Caleb Ortiz

Funny there is literal a dystopian game where men forced to become tranny in that list.
When I was a kid I played this sci-fi adventure game called Rex Nebular and the Cosmic Gender Bender (1992) where you crash-land on a planet that had gender segregation of men and women into hostile camps, then a war which the women won, but in order to keep reproducing they create a machine called the Gender Bender to temporarily transition into men for sex purposes; but otherwise men are capture-or-kill on sight.

Anyways in order to survive you have to transition at one point to go undercover. Also you get captured by the women and tortured at one point. You also explore the ruined men's city and there only a few hobo survivors. And the entire city is full of abandoned hardware stores, sports bars and XXX shops. It was great.

Just chill out bro

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Benjamin Sullivan
Benjamin Sullivan

Meanwhile, loli and incest games are being banned off Steam.

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Landon Nelson
Landon Nelson

I will chill put when my games are not banned, censored or changed to appease SJW.

Jayden Walker
Jayden Walker

loli and incest games are being banned off Steam
do you think 4chan is SJW as well?

Austin Campbell
Austin Campbell

Literally fucking where. Every game on that list just has an option to pick "other" as gender in character creation or something like that, except one VN that probably has some gay fade to black scenes. Can you formulate a single argument without making up retarded shit or lying through your teeth?

Also I'd like to see you travel to the past and try to explain to Hitler or senator McCarthy that loli porn and hentai titties aren't degenerate.

Joseph Price
Joseph Price

Well the game does not have any nudity in it
And to show you how retarded you are the trans regime falls in the end(cause..you know….they are the bad guys)
Also loli and incest fans go directly to the gas camps

Charles Reyes
Charles Reyes

Meanwhile, loli and incest games are being banned off Steam.
Maybe because in many countries those things are straight up illegal and are many times pornographic. The tranny one's you mentioned only happen to have tranny characters or make mention of trans people, which in most places aren't illegal and are at worst frowned upon.

Blake Cruz
Blake Cruz

No and how?
It has sex scenes where faggots have sex, fade to black does not change that.
Also I'd like to see you travel to the past and try to explain to Hitler or senator McCarthy that loli porn and hentai titties aren't degenerate.
Ok, show me the time machine.

Jace Brown
Jace Brown

And? It is still gay and tranny shit.

Imagine a game where instead you are forced to be straight and dress in the most sexual pleasings possible, that game would be banned.
They are being banned in places that are pro free speech as well, banned off the entire platform actually.

The fact tranny and fag shit are legal and uncensored while loli and incest titles are banned shows exactly their agenda.

Grayson Fisher
Grayson Fisher

No and how
it bans /l/ and /ss/ outside of /b/

Lucas Barnes
Lucas Barnes

It is still gay and tranny shit.
So we went from tranny and gay sex is in many games for litlle kids to see
To gay and tranny shit should be banned
What happened to Muh free speeche
Imagine a game where instead you are forced to be straight and dress in the most sexual pleasings possible, that game would be banned.
No
That sounds like a hentai game tho so maybe it would be
But if it os like the other game(that had nothing to do with anything sexual,unlile your analogy) then clearly no
Tho triggered incels would be whining about how the shitty regime should not have fallen
You still havent provided any evidence….

Brayden James
Brayden James

So it is SJW shit confirmed.

What a goddamn shame.

Jordan Sanders
Jordan Sanders

To gay and tranny shit should be banned, What happened to Muh free speeche
What? My point is why does my anime tiddies get banned, and why tranny shit is not?
That sounds like a hentai game tho so maybe it would be, But if it os like the other game(that had nothing to do with anything sexual,unlile your analogy) then clearly no
So anything sexual ought to be banned, you pretty much confirm you being a SJW.

Matthew Rivera
Matthew Rivera

Am I on /v/ right now? How did the thread come to this?

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Brandon Jenkins
Brandon Jenkins

I said that porn sites dont get good ads so its logical that the bouj bans porn
Trans and gays existing is in no way NSFW but incest and loli shit is illegal in most countries
Btw arent sjw always criticized for supporting pedos(like you) you should actually hate conservatives that ban porn….

Parker Wood
Parker Wood

Imagine living a life where you're obsessed with Transgenders & "SJWs" all day, everyday. There's got to be more in life than that shit.

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Samuel Sanchez
Samuel Sanchez

1. Porn sites can have good ads.
2. Video games with porn can have good ads.
3. Anime tiddies are not porn.

In fact, the fact that non-sexual things should get good ads prove the SJW conspiracy, they are out there to discourage sexuality.
You ask to convert 4chan, so now 4chan converts you.

Chase Young
Chase Young

Imagine every days in life trying to ignore that shit and gets mad when people point it out.

Oh wait, sound like fucking communists.

John Rivera
John Rivera

Do something productive with your life you whiny faggot. Instead of worrying about insignificant shit.

Christopher Sanchez
Christopher Sanchez

1. Porn sites can have good ads
2. Video games with porn can have good ads.
No one wants to acociate with sichos like you
3. Anime tiddies are not porn.
You dont even know what porn is
In fact, the fact that non-sexual things should get good ads prove the SJW conspiracy, they are out there to discourage sexuality.
Arent sjw prosexuality
Cause sexuality was discouraged for millions of years
So traditionalist are the bad guys
1)stop moving the goalpost
2)i bet you are an underage mutt
3)rake a basic politics class
The end

Christian Williams
Christian Williams

It's like the hegelian "coincidence of opposites" or some shit. Anti-SJWs in their own right literally became SJWs, getting triggered and becoming obsessed with the other's existence.

so now 4chan converts you
I've been on the site for around a decade so I don't need converting, please don't assume that we are outsiders. I have to deal with this kind of shit routinely clogging up /v/.

Charles Morgan
Charles Morgan

so now 4chan converts you
But why do you have to be so baaaaad at it

Evan Brown
Evan Brown

Sometimes I wonder how can someone believe that SJWs have invented sexual censorship, and that conservatives and nazis are the ones who fucking love anime titties. Then I realize that it's the CURRENT YEAR, and there are literal children using the chans. Like their parents probably weren't even in high school when Nintendo of America was editing out crosses and bare asses from videogames. Memes and MINECRAFT LIBTARD OWNAGE COMPILATION #1337 are their only source of information at this point. Maybe China has some good ideas about handling the internet.

Luis Morgan
Luis Morgan

Maybe China has some good ideas about handling the internet
there's no maybe about it.

Parker James
Parker James

Stop with the bullshit and nobody will raise an issue. Everybody want their shit unmolested.
No one wants to acociate with sichos like you
Plenty do, they are greedy.
You dont even know what porn is
But I do.
Arent sjw prosexuality
Evidently not since they want to ban sexuality.

Jeremiah Hill
Jeremiah Hill

Anti-SJWs in their own right literally became SJWs, getting triggered and becoming obsessed with the other's existence.
Anti-SJW just want their games stop being banned and censored. What is wrong with that?
I've been on the site for around a decade so I don't need converting, please don't assume that we are outsiders.
Make no mistake, you absolutely sound like outsiders when you pretend SJWs do not issue.

You routinely deal with this shit on /v/ because people have issues about it.

Benjamin Smith
Benjamin Smith

Anti-SJW just want their games stop being banned and censored. What is wrong with that?
because SJWs have nothing to do with it. private companies ban things because it's good PR. simple as that. if you don't want censorship start opposing corporations themselves.

Adrian Brooks
Adrian Brooks

I'm tired of this. I don't want to talk about SJWs anymore.

Joshua Diaz
Joshua Diaz

Explain?

This board is banning people for speaking the truth.
Funny how now it is literal children and old people who team up to fight people like you.

And SJWs censor anime tiddies, that is fact. China censors anime tiddies too, also fact.

The more SJW act like China, the more people hate them.

Aaron Walker
Aaron Walker

SJWs have absolutely everything with it. Companies have sold millions of games with sex appeal for years and years, and only now there is a problem.
Then shut your ears and shut your mouth, that is how people feel about you commies.

Chase James
Chase James

Funny how now it is literal children and old people who team up to fight people like you.
this isn't an SJW board. a lot of people here were pro GG before it got co-opted by rightists
And SJWs censor anime tiddies, that is fact. China censors anime tiddies too, also fact.
they don't do shit. they don't have the power to do shit. companies do
The more SJW act like China, the more people hate them.
there's no ruling communist party in America, in fact the ruling party is literally neoliberal and neocon. SJW shit still gets censored why? because it's profitable.
SJWs have absolutely everything with it. Companies have sold millions of games with sex appeal for years and years, and only now there is a problem.
none of them have the power to do the shit you're claiming they do. it's the board of directors that do this who are ultimately elected by the shareholders.
Then shut your ears and shut your mouth, that is how people feel about you commies.
okay this is epic. libtards btfo!!!
lmao kys

Eli Russell
Eli Russell

The funny thing is that entertainment is more sexual and violent nowadays than it ever was. Like imagine showing Bayonetta and Doom to a NoA censor from the 90s, they'd have an aneurysm. That's why I believe that you can only complain about censorship in videogames if you are 13-14 with a very shallow circle of interests. We really need severe age controls on the internet.

Colton Nelson
Colton Nelson

this is just true in general. 13 and 14 year olds ruin everything. just look at how shit and toddler-pandering videogames have become, it's all low skill ceiling and a shitton of RNG.
also it's self-evident that 4chan is run by people around that age, which is why it's so shit.

Connor Cruz
Connor Cruz

this isn't an SJW board. a lot of people here were pro GG before it got co-opted by rightists
It bans dissinters who raise issues with SJWs, thus it defends them.
they don't do shit. they don't have the power to do shit. companies do
Companies have SJW or listen to SJW and thus they censor their games.
there's no ruling communist party in >America, in fact the ruling party is literally neoliberal and neocon. SJW shit still gets censored why? because it's profitable.
so neoliberals who act like communists then. And profitable? Who are you kidding? SJW media get bombed.
none of them have the power to do the shit you're claiming they do. it's the board of directors that do this who are ultimately elected by the shareholders.
Who listen and make decision based on SJW shit and destroy their own companies in the process.

Kayden Powell
Kayden Powell

DoA and gaming in general was sexier in the 00s & 90s.

Modern game is about gorey or less than Hellraiser, which was legal back then in the 80s.

You have no fucking idea what you are talking about.

Jaxson Roberts
Jaxson Roberts

It bans dissinters who raise issues with SJWs, thus it defends them.
you probably posted some dumb slide thread shit is why. this board exists to defend leftists from flooding and spamming.
Companies have SJW or listen to SJW and thus they censor their games.
okay? they literally choose to do that.
so neoliberals who act like communists then. And profitable? Who are you kidding? SJW media get bombed.
<neoliberals who act like communists
I'd love to hear your explanation of how the GOP is communist. you are definitely 14 years old, in which case you should be banned anyway regardless of what your opinion is.
Who listen and make decision based on SJW shit and destroy their own companies in the process.
yes because Steam and Reddit are dying companies

Nathan Ramirez
Nathan Ramirez

Stop responding to the guy, we could be having a more productive discussion right now. Just hide the posts and report him like we do to certain shitposters that plague the "cute girls anime with yuri undertones" threads on /a/.

As much as i dislike mods banning people this thread is all you need to see on how one ban evading idiot can shit up a thread and prevent us from getting any good discussion going.

Julian Rodriguez
Julian Rodriguez

you probably posted some dumb slide thread shit is why. this board exists to defend leftists from flooding and spamming.
It exists to boost leftist egoes.
okay? they literally choose to do that.
Which makes them SJW.
I'd love to hear your explanation of how the GOP is communist.
They ban anime tiddies, same as democrats and chink communists?
yes because Steam and Reddit are dying companies
Steam is having a lot of problems, and so does leddit.

Jackson Jenkins
Jackson Jenkins

You ask for 4chan.

Don't get mad when 4chan comes to you.

Brayden Rodriguez
Brayden Rodriguez

This might be the singular most pathetic being to have crawled into Zig Forums in recent memory.

Ryan Hill
Ryan Hill

Funny how a thread to convert 4chan gets mad when a 4channer gets on board.

Try harder, nigger.

Jason Ward
Jason Ward

It exists to boost leftist egoes.
projecting. back to your circlejerk kiddie
Which makes them SJW.
you still have yet to explain how a group of wagecuck liberals managed to take control of the entire gaming industry, because it literally didn't happen. these are game companies making these decisions.
and if they're losing profit from it like you claim they'll just make more titties and 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧lolis🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
They ban anime tiddies, same as democrats and chink communists?
<social conservatism is communism
you totally have a grasp on reality
Steam is having a lot of problems, and so does leddit.
if that's true then it isn't a problem.

Adrian Carter
Adrian Carter

I wouldn't say mad as much as mildly annoyed at the poor quality posting and blatant lack of knowledge at about everything ever. He's like a living, breathing version of a /pol/ infograph.

Josiah Edwards
Josiah Edwards

Which makes them SJW.
Who cares? It's not insightful at all to call these companies SJW. That's a boring surface-level analysis. Things only get interesting when you start to ask why these companies are like that. What forces are driving them to adopt SJW-like behavior?
They ban anime tiddies, same as democrats and chink communists?
Democrats banning anime titties? Are you schizophrenic?

Wyatt Gray
Wyatt Gray

You're a retarded nigger, sorry. Lara Croft is a nun compared to modern characters like Bayonetta and Quiet, and guess what? She got even more complaints and censorship attempts back in the day, except they came from le based white christians and soccer moms. Comparing vidya to Hellraiser is hilariously dishonest, since different standards have always applied to videogames and movies. In general more graphic violence and partial nudity is tolerated in video games today, that's just an objective fact.

Also, remember the Hot Coffee controversy? That's a rhetorical question, you weren't even born back then.

Who listen and make decision based on SJW shit and destroy their own companies in the process.
"Inclusive" policies have been largely profitable for capitalists, with a few exceptions. Almost every poster boy for "SJWs ruining thing" like Star Wars, Black Panther or Steven Universe has been extremely profitable regardless of whether some nerds on the internet liked it or not.

The narrative that corporations suffer financially from "inclusiveness" and only do it because of the Jews is objectively a lie. It is profitable, that's why they fucking do it. Capitalists need new markets to expand into, like women and minorities. Why would they not seize the opportunity? Catering strictly to a small conservative fanbase is a business model for a doujinshi circle, not a multimillion international.

Noah Jackson
Noah Jackson

le sjws are killing le white race by opressing le gamers

Daniel Campbell
Daniel Campbell

Please don't give the guy (You)s.

Hunter Carter
Hunter Carter

"we should convert halfchan!"
14 year olds that inhabit halfchan pour into thread and show us precisely why we shouldn't try to do that

Suburban children in the west do not have a material consciousness. You'd have more luck targeting college students and young workers. 4/pol/ should be subverted and eventually deplatformed.

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Ayden Baker
Ayden Baker

projecting. back to your circlejerk kiddie
Nope, gonna stay right here and see how you argue.
you still have yet to explain how a group of wagecuck liberals managed to take control of the entire gaming industry
Infiltration, political correctness, journalists and government enabling them.
because it literally didn't happen.
So where is my anime tiddies? Where is my blood and gore?
if they're losing profit from it like you claim they'll just make more titties and 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧lolis🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
You have literal devs complaining they have to change their games to follow Soyny new global standard.
<social conservatism is communism
Look at China or the USSR.

Jacob Watson
Jacob Watson

2743267
Look at China or the USSR.
<some of the most inclusive countries of their time were actually conservative guys
unironically go read an objective history book about Soviet legalism and how they legalized a lot of orientations and identities that were repressed under the Tsardom you absolute child

Austin Young
Austin Young

If 14 year olds is all they got we're in pretty good shape.

Ryder Gonzalez
Ryder Gonzalez

Nope, gonna stay right here and see how you argue
you haven't made a single argument related to cause and effect, just random apologetics and crying about how evil SJWs ruin everything. I'm not gonna argue with a person who doesn't even accept the basics of science.
Infiltration, political correctness, journalists and government enabling them.
again if the companies don't make profits from SJW shit they will recede from doing it.
So where is my anime tiddies? Where is my blood and gore?
Doom? Fortnite? Idfk, play good games noob. There are plenty
You have literal devs complaining they have to change their games to follow Soyny new global standard.
Explain how nips are enforcing SJW politics.
Look at China or the USSR.
You mean governments that emerged from people rebelling because they were literally living on rations? communism doesn't happen because of your idealist SJW-vs-Nazi bullshit, it happens because people get sick of being fucking poor.

Connor King
Connor King

So are SJWs too liberal or too conservative? Fucking christ, you have some serious brain worms

Parker Gray
Parker Gray

Lara Croft is a nun compared to modern characters like Bayonetta and Quiet, and guess what?
False, Lara Croft can be played fucking naked. Try again. Bigger tiddies than both.
Comparing vidya to Hellraiser is hilariously dishonest,
How? Mature vidya targets the same audience, and there are vidya more gorey than Hellraiser in the 90s to 00s.
In general more graphic violence and partial nudity is tolerated in video games today, that's just an objective fact.
False, you are forced to cover up nowadays, when in 90s and 00s games you can literally be naked.
"Inclusive" policies have been largely profitable for capitalists, with a few exceptions.
Proof? I see less exceptions, less success.
Almost every poster boy for "SJWs ruining thing" like Star Wars, Black Panther or Steven Universe has been extremely profitable regardless of whether some nerds on the internet liked it or not.
Star Wars is dying, only thing selling is the movies, which are also falling.
Black Panther is 90% negro.
Stephen Universe is just a TV show like Pony, it comes and goes.
The narrative that corporations suffer financially from "inclusiveness" and only do it because of the Jews is objectively a lie.
Yes, they do suffer and and sales show this, with some exceptions.
It is profitable, that's why they fucking do it. Capitalists need new markets to expand into, like women and minorities. Why would they not seize the opportunity?
But if it is not profitable, but they still do it, means there is a hidden agenda.

Jackson Price
Jackson Price

Black Panther is 90% negro.
wow it's a fucking mystery as to why
But if it is not profitable, but they still do it, means there is a hidden agenda.
so then those companies will die and the big titty ones will take over the industry. even ayncraps know this and they're brainlets.

Benjamin Wilson
Benjamin Wilson

Katyusha a cute.

Ayden Carter
Ayden Carter

you haven't made a single argument related to cause and effect
I did plenty. SJW leftists ask for more SJW shit and companies enable them, which ruin both companies and their targeted audiences.
again if the companies don't make profits from SJW shit they will recede from doing it.
Or they don't and they get bankrupted. Cliffy B for example literally stops making vidya because his SJW games do not sell. Same for that other SJW dev.
Doom? Fortnite? Idfk, play good games noob. There are plenty
So this is the average player of Zig Forums. I do not see much gore and tiddies in either titles.
Explain how nips are enforcing SJW politics.
Soyny and Soytindo are literally forcing devs to cover up anime tiddies.
You mean governments that emerged from people rebelling because they were literally living on rations?
I mean governments emerged from civil turmoil that is incredibly hostile to free thoughts.

Cameron Kelly
Cameron Kelly

wow it's a fucking mystery as to why
Why?
so then those companies will die and the big titty ones will take over the industry. even ayncraps know this and they're brainlets.
This is what we want to happen, and the course we are leading to, which leads to raising awareness of SJW issues and tell people to stop buying SJW games.

Camden Edwards
Camden Edwards

I did plenty. SJW leftists ask for more SJW shit and companies enable them, which ruin both companies and their targeted audiences.
so who cares? let those companies die and the big titty ones take over.
Or they don't and they get bankrupted. Cliffy B for example literally stops making vidya because his SJW games do not sell. Same for that other SJW dev.
isn't this good??
So this is the average player of Zig Forums. I do not see much gore and tiddies in either titles.
<I don't see much Gore in Doom
lmao
Soyny and Soytindo are literally forcing devs to cover up anime tiddies.
Nintendo is literally a game company made for toddlers, all of their shit is piss easy.
Can you cite an actual Sony director enforcing this?
I mean governments emerged from civil turmoil that is incredibly hostile to free thoughts.
this never happens. people don't just rebel because something triggers them, your analysis is ahistorical and vaporous.

Christian James
Christian James

SJW want to promote their gay and tranny while destroying normal sexuality.

They want to destroy society.

Josiah Reed
Josiah Reed

This dude sounds more like your average redditor than a /pol/tard tbh

Andrew Miller
Andrew Miller

no he just sounds like person without a high school education.

Wyatt Lee
Wyatt Lee

2743292
I did plenty
Whining about the """bad people""" is what counts as an argument on halfchan?
I do not see much gore and tiddies in either titles.
<did not see much gore in DOOM
unironically retarded
Soyny and Soytindo are literally forcing devs to cover up anime tiddies.
Yes, to sell more copies. It's the capitalist thing to do because it appeases conservative outrage and lets the games sell better, and they literally do every time.
I mean governments emerged from civil turmoil that is incredibly hostile to free thoughts.
<all the western nations that censor muh tiddies just got out of civil wars

you unironically cannot string together a coherent argument between even 2 fucking posts you mongoloid

Andrew Martinez
Andrew Martinez

Have it ever entered into this /pol/tard's head that SJWs are smarter than them? Why don't /pol/lacks ever bother to make video games instead?

Lincoln Rivera
Lincoln Rivera

implying these are separate categories
see

Noah Lee
Noah Lee

But if it is not profitable, but they still do it, means there is a hidden agenda.
There's nothing hidden about their agenda. Just read the fucking press. It's all obvious.
- Rich liberals love social justice virtue signalling. If you want lots of wealthy business partners you gotta engage in it. Otherwise you're not going to get any investments.
- The press loves to shit on companies for being sexist and racist. It sells brilliantly. You gotta avoid that shit by all means necessary.
- Companies want to expand into female and minority demographics. They see this as a bigger priority than you pathetic fucks.
- If you can trigger a bunch of Nazis that's all the better. Everyone will cover it and you get good PR.
- Social justice politics is a big deal inside of corporations. Employees are constantly scrutinizing their companies on inclusivity policy. Of course this finds its reflection in external behavior. People want to signal to other players inside the hierarchy that they're good on this. That they can be trusted. Conversely, no one wants to seem like they aren't paying proper attention to inclusivity. What if the HR department finds out?
This shit isn't difficult. No hidden agenda. No grand conspiracies. Just ordinary people being stupid as they always are

Blake Thomas
Blake Thomas

Do you think it isn't? Disney, for example, hasn't suffered at all from pandering to "diversity" and "inclusivity." Rather, not only has it won plaudits from critics, it's also won consumer loyalty from previously underexploited minorities. The most it suffered was from The Last Jedi's fan backlash, together with Solo, but neither pandered any more to contemporary liberal notions than The Force Awakens.

Matthew Cook
Matthew Cook

NuWars is trash by itself anyway, with or without the diversity.

Juan Myers
Juan Myers

so who cares? let those companies die and the big titty ones take over.
So we accelerate the process and let them die quicker.
isn't this good??
Yes, it is an example of devs who can't stop making SJW shit.
NuDoom is not even gorey as Brutal Doom, a fucking mod.
Nintendo is literally a game company made for toddlers, all of their shit is piss easy.
And now covering their sexy bitches for reason unknown.
Can you cite an actual Sony director enforcing this?
oneangrygamer.net/2018/12/sony-japan-president-says-ps4-censorship-policy-is-to-match-global-standards-and-protect-kids/72781/
this never happens. people don't just rebel because something triggers them, your analysis is ahistorical and vaporous.
LOL, the bolsheviks did a coup against the provisional government and immediately entered civil war. Mao regime also comes out of a civil war against the KMT weakened hy the japs.

Bentley Rogers
Bentley Rogers

Even if that was true it isn't a bad thing. The west is cancer and needs to be abolished.

Kayden Roberts
Kayden Roberts

No one has a normal sexuality. Read Freud.

Ryan Cox
Ryan Cox

Disney endless tiers of shit is very concerning and they are certainly the big boss of media on the Tv side.

But marvel shit only sells because of good WHITE actors, as soon as they leave, it is over.

Star Wars is getting in development hell for the last episode, and it is gonna be Mass Effect 3 tier.

Everyone else though, even EA flagtitles like Battlefields are suffering and TellTales just fucking die.

Communism will not save vidya, capitalism self corrects.

Julian Jenkins
Julian Jenkins

NuDoom is not even gorey as Brutal Doom
so it panders to SJWs by not allowing you to swim blood. right.
And now covering their sexy bitches for reason unknown.
it's a kid's company. do you also think Teletubbies and Wiggles should fashion ass and tits?
oneangrygamer.net/2018/12/sony-japan-president-says-ps4-censorship-policy-is-to-match-global-standards-and-protect-kids/72781/
if you actually read the article you just posted you'll see that this is just a PR stunt. again if these companies cared about profit they will just self-publish because that's how the market works.
LOL, the bolsheviks did a coup against the provisional government and immediately entered civil war. Mao regime also comes out of a civil war against the KMT weakened hy the japs.
both were countries that suffered from imperialism and had the entire working class living on rations. they did not rebel because they were triggered by fascists, it's the uppity fascists that were triggered by them.

Brayden Hughes
Brayden Hughes

Freud is a weirdo masacon, he is good material to insult people, but normality he is not.

Jacob Turner
Jacob Turner

NuDoom is not even gorey as Brutal Doom, a fucking mod.
Stop supporting corporations or capitlaism then and make games open source.
And now covering their sexy bitches for reason unknown.
Wow I wonder what that reason is…
oneangrygamer.net/2018/12/sony-japan-president-says-ps4-censorship-policy-is-to-match-global-standards-and-protect-kids/72781/
Woah, companies are starting to cover up their characters because parents are worried about their kids? Who could have predicted this?
LOL, the bolsheviks did a coup against the provisional government and immediately entered civil war.
I'll give you two seconds to look up the standard of living at the time and how people were doing.

Wyatt Jenkins
Wyatt Jenkins

Communism will not save vidya, capitalism self corrects.
Do you really think that SJWism ending will improve the quality of these dumb products?
But marvel shit only sells because of good WHITE actors, as soon as they leave, it is over.
Who cares? It's garbage!
The reason white actors do better is because people are already familiar with all the white character tropes. Tired tropes are central to capitalist media because it's brainless.

Connor Ward
Connor Ward

so it panders to SJWs by not allowing you to swim blood. right.
Yep.
it's a kid's company. do you also think Teletubbies and Wiggles should fashion ass and tits?
Yet they have released sexy bitches and now go back and cover them up.
if you actually read the article you just posted you'll see that this is just a PR stunt. again if these companies cared about profit they will just self-publish because that's how the market works.
That PR stunt is following SJW and self publishing requires a shitload of money, but sure they can, maybe that will be what they do when they jump to Steam and GOG. Fuck Sony.
they did not rebel because they were triggered by fascists, it's the uppity fascists that were triggered by them.
Lol both the white russians and KMT exist before them and got taken over by a civil turmoil & civil war. It has jack to do with rations.

John Wilson
John Wilson

so it panders to SJWs by not allowing you to swim blood. right.
Yep.
Since when do SJWs care about blood? Is SJW just a synonym for moralfag at this point?

Brody Morris
Brody Morris

Stop supporting corporations or capitlaism then and make games open source.
I will support the ones that make good games.
Wow I wonder what that reason is…
SJW?
Woah, companies are starting to cover up their characters because parents are worried about their kids? Who could have predicted this?
Yep now, 40 years later LOL.
I'll give you two seconds to look up the standard of living at the time and how people were doing.
The white russian and red russian live in the same condition. Mao lives a lot rougher because he lives as a guerilla but the KMT bore full brunt of jap assault.

Ayden Campbell
Ayden Campbell

Communism will not save vidya, capitalism self corrects.
Proceeds to complain on thread about companies not doing this
Games are getting shittier, companies are getting lazier. If they can sell enough copies, they'll do it anyway if only based on brand recognition. Companies don't care about art or gameplay, they care about profit and getting into new markets, even if it means dumping everything that made them good. The name of the game now is to push titles out the door as quick as possible and sell enough copies to make a profit, which is easy with the advent of digital distribution. It's always better to move lots of product then to wait for one good product that sells over time. This isn't new.

Isaac Ramirez
Isaac Ramirez

SJW was always whatever it needed to be in the context of the argument. It never was supposed to be anything more than an amorphous boogeyman that would encompass whatever the enemy of the moment was, in the same way the Nazis liberally called anything they disliked Jewish. It's basic stormfront style tactics.

Eli Wright
Eli Wright

Yep
So NuDoom, a game series which is even more gory than its predecessors, is somehow the result of SJWs taking over the industry because a fan-made game is still more gory?
Yet they have released sexy bitches and now go back and cover them up.
so then those games will die and the uncensored ones will naturally take over, since that's how it works
That PR stunt is following SJW and self publishing requires a shitload of money, but sure they can, maybe that will be what they do when they jump to Steam and GOG. Fuck Sony.
ok good, so you admit there isn't a real problem then.
Lol both the white russians and KMT exist before them and got taken over by a civil turmoil & civil war. It has jack to do with rations.
it was caused by civil turmoil
it has jack to do with rations
what
I'm convinced you're baiting now. this conversation has ended
It's not even moralfag since doom is gory as fuck

Jason Ortiz
Jason Ortiz

How old is this newfag anyways?

Jack Martin
Jack Martin

Do you really think that SJWism ending will improve the quality of these dumb products?
Vidya is not dumb and sure it will, we will get back to the days of the 90s and 00s again.
Who cares? It's garbage!
Disney, no people seeing their shit movies means they go bankrupt.

Xavier Barnes
Xavier Barnes

There are a good amount of ☭TANKIE☭s and generally left-wing leaning people on /his/. The stormfag infestation there is pretty tame as they get shut down pretty quickly. I see communist threads on /r9k/ sometimes as well, but there is a large scale right-wing presence there. /his/ has a pretty sizable Zig Forums presence though.

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Ryan Campbell
Ryan Campbell

we will get back to the days of the 90s and 00s again
not going to happen. the industry has been dominated by normalfags now. we will keep getting low quality trash like Overwatch and Candy Crush for decades to come
Disney, no people seeing their shit movies means they go bankrupt.
the Star Wars movies didn't sell well because they were bad movies. replace Finn and Rey with straight white male characters and it would still be trash

Lucas Stewart
Lucas Stewart

The white russian and red russian live in the same condition.
The Whites supported the status quo in which there was still turmoil and starvation, the Reds wanted to move forwards and end this. They are not the same and had different interests with the Reds being based on the actual conditions of the workers.

Hunter Watson
Hunter Watson

we will get back to the days of the 90s and 00s again.
No you won't. Those were years when shit was much more experimental. The gaming industry has settled into a bunch of fixed formulas. They have to, there's too much money involved.
Disney, no people seeing their shit movies means they go bankrupt.
GOOD

Christian Garcia
Christian Garcia

Nice fucking try, SJWs.
violentgamesformilitary.tumblr.com/

Yes, they do give a shit.

Gabriel Parker
Gabriel Parker

2743355
some blog literally nobody listens to
wow I am very impressed, you must have such a big penis

Cameron Murphy
Cameron Murphy

Do you miss the entire discussion?

Capitalism self corrects, bad games bomb, good games sell and become standard, thus the end will lead to good games, unless the government decides to ban vidya altogether.

Communism which bans and censors things can never fix anything and ultimately doom itself.

Andrew Baker
Andrew Baker

a Tumblr blog that anyone could have made is proof that le SJWs are against vidya
Imagine being this sheltered and suburban.

Jacob Gutierrez
Jacob Gutierrez

Communism which bans and censors things

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Christopher Williams
Christopher Williams

Again, capitalism self corrects, bad games will fall and good games will rise.
SJW is currently making the worst phase possible but we are turning the course by literally stop banning bad games.

Isaiah Ortiz
Isaiah Ortiz

You mean like this board? It already bans me 3 times for speaking the truth.
(make that four times)

Nolan Kelly
Nolan Kelly

stop buying bad games*

Joshua Ortiz
Joshua Ortiz

SJWs do not even buy vidya and they shill bad ideas to good companies, leaving them to destruction.

Isaac Price
Isaac Price

we banned you 3 times for lowering the quality of the board by magnitudes with every single post you made

Alexander Morales
Alexander Morales

That blog is about the use of video games as military propaganda, which is a completely valid thing to complain about. Not enough people are doing it by my reckoning. Forget SJWs, do you want the US military influencing what games get developed?
Doom isn't a good example of this problem though. It's way too over-the-top and silly. Call of Duty and Battlefield are much more disgusting.
Games aren't shit just because of SJWs. They're shit because of consumerism.
It bans you for being a retard. The mods are trying in vain to maintain some level of quality on this

Liam Brown
Liam Brown

what do you want me to do about it? this is the only place where I can freely talk about communism without dealing with spamming and flooding or reddit vocabulary regulators. what the mods do is of no concern to me.
but you're ignoring the fact that games are inherently lowest common denominator now because of all the low Autism Level normalfags that play them. we will never see high skill ceiling games like Quake come back ever again.

Ian Scott
Ian Scott

Both want to improve things and both have the same goddamn rations to live on.

Stop pretending the bolsheviks had popular support.

Carson Morales
Carson Morales

you have 10 seconds to translate bolshevik

Nicholas James
Nicholas James

And you say communists do not ban and censor things. Doublethink.

Carter Hughes
Carter Hughes

you're allowed to make any argument you want as long as you accept inductive and empirical reasoning, which you haven't.

Daniel Barnes
Daniel Barnes

Tumblr
This is like walking to an Ocean and saying there's water in it.
bad games bomb, good games sell and become standard,
Except this isn't happening, things are becoming generic if anything with games promising to be innovative then revealing that there not when played. Here's the trick if you didn't already get it, they only need you to buy the copy once, digital preferred, and play in enough that it's used. They give you all the flashy trailers, all the talk from paid off early access shills, all the IGN groups talks, just to get you to buy the game the first time. They just need to convince that something might be different, that there is a new mechanic that you'll enjoy, that they're going back to what you love, so you'll decide to try it by purchasing the whole thing. Even if you don't buy it release, they'll just put it on sale for 50% off in which they still make hand over fist because each copy cost cents to produce. They only care about moving product, because that's what makes money. Generic formulas work, because they give you a safe profit margin.

Tyler Edwards
Tyler Edwards

The soviets supported the reds.

Ayden Hall
Ayden Hall

we happily ban and censor shitty ass things that we don't want to see because this is a fucking commie hangout. that being said, we have allowed unironic Nazis and fascists of various types post on here before because their posts were made from a point of good-faith attempt at argument, which you are not doing.

Lucas Rivera
Lucas Rivera

Stop pretending the bolsheviks had popular support.
Except they quite literally did? That's why they succeeded while the Whites failed, you had military members and police who refused to shoot at the masses demonstrations of workers who seized areas.

Isaiah Robinson
Isaiah Robinson

which is a completely valid thing to complain about. Not enough people are doing it by my reckoning.
So it is literally about SJW complaining about military shooting games and games in general.
Forget SJWs, do you want the US military influencing what games get developed?
Nigger, they made Arma for the military, which is one of the best game serie ever made, as well as multiple kinds of wargames. Hell, we need more military games.
Call of Duty and Battlefield are much more disgusting
LOL fucking SJW. Now SJW try to add tranny women nigger soldiers and make it silly like Doom, guess what? They fucking suck.
Games aren't shit just because of SJWs. They're shit because of consumerism.
Games have stand tall since the goddamn 90s, guess what happens? Not even DLC can kill it bit SJW shit might.
it bans you for being a retard. The mods are trying in vain to maintain some level of quality on this
How am I being a retard?

Juan Price
Juan Price

This poster is retarded
Muh sjw do nothing on sales
Overwatch is one of the most diverse yet popular games atm
Star wars has a huge fandom compared to late 20th century
Black Panther is one of the highest growing capeshit ever
NuDOOM sells lke shit
Also muh capitalism helps games is retarded n go play LOL and Fortnite fag
There is literary no impact from worthless retards who call themselves gamers

Elijah Rivera
Elijah Rivera

Stop supporting your fucking leader, prove your worth and elect a newer, more reasonable boss.

And there has always been trash vidya, but there is always been good ones, as long as the targeted audience being smart customers.

Gavin Rivera
Gavin Rivera

How old are you?

Jayden Barnes
Jayden Barnes

Tumblr is SJW hive, and tumblr hates both violence and sexuality.

Also games will survive if they get pass this SJW onslaught (which has the combination of companies, journalists/NGO and government on it), they will get better.

Also, the only review scores that matter now is user reviews.

Chase Fisher
Chase Fisher

The reds engaged in lengthy civil war with the whites and only emerged triumph because due to the October coup, they control the most densely populated areas, with brutal repressions i.e. NKVD.

Gabriel Brown
Gabriel Brown

So it is literally about SJW complaining about military shooting games and games in general.
No. That is not at all what it is.
Hell, we need more military games.
Shit taste.
Not even DLC can kill it bit SJW shit might.
Gaming is not going to die you complete lunatic. It's a hundred billion dollar industry. Maybe if the market crashes it will, but not over people covering boobies.
How am I being a retard?
Maybe you should reflect on that question yourself.

Zachary Ramirez
Zachary Ramirez

27.
Casual trash which means nothing. Go stick to them while I play wargames and anime tiddie.

Caleb Phillips
Caleb Phillips

Nigger, they made Arma for the military, which is one of the best game serie ever made, as well as multiple kinds of wargames. Hell, we need more military games.
Never played Project Reality
Arma by itself pales to what Project Reality adds. But what most people are talking about when they are referring the military influencing things is the injecting of pro-interventionist, pro-imperialist, pro-Israel themes.
Games have stand tall since the goddamn 90s, guess what happens? Not even DLC can kill it bit SJW shit might.
Literally almost died due to the game crash. Also, are games going to live on or are SJWs going to kill them. Make up your mind.

Bentley Stewart
Bentley Stewart

like we do to certain shitposters that plague the "cute girls anime with yuri undertones" threads on /a/.
You mean the ones who go "my wife x is so cute", or the idiots who go to yuri show threads to bitch about yuri?
I barely visit seasonal threads anymore since by the time I finish the episode the thread is archived, /a/ has gotten too fast in these last years.

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Wyatt Taylor
Wyatt Taylor

No. That is not at all what it is.
Yes, it fucking is. SJW being triggered by men playing military games.
Shit taste.
Lol back to you.
Gaming is not going to die you complete lunatic. It's a hundred billion dollar industry. Maybe if the market crashes it will, but not over people covering boobies.
The big boys are already falling, what is left is casual trash like Fortnite and Overwatch, which nobody plays, meanwhile the old audience stops buying games altogether.
Maybe you should reflect on that question yourself.
Reflected. Do not see why.

Jose Phillips
Jose Phillips

Casual trash which means nothing. Go stick to them while I play wargames and anime tiddie
Didnt you said how only the good games will survive?
I show they will dont
You cant make one post without moving the goalpost
SJW being triggered by men playing military games
Provide example

Zachary Jackson
Zachary Jackson

The NKVD did not exist during the civil war retard. Also, the government had free elections in 1918 and the Bolsheviks kept their majority that they had pre-revolution. They absolutely had popular support both before and after the revolution.

Sebastian Young
Sebastian Young

Hey Project Reality buddy

Dominic Lewis
Dominic Lewis

Tumblr is SJW hive, and tumblr hates both violence and sexuality.
That's literally what I implied, you're pointing towards the Ocean and saying there is water in it.
Also games will survive if they get pass this SJW onslaught (which has the combination of companies, journalists/NGO and government on it), they will get better.
I applaud your optimism. Reality is though, they'll "survive", but they won't get better. If anything they'll remain generic and unexciting with maybe one game every 5 years breaking the mold and the disappearing and modders having to do most of the legwork to fix things.

Ayden Robinson
Ayden Robinson

Arma by itself pales to what Project Reality adds. But what most people are talking about when they are referring the military influencing things is the injecting of pro-interventionist, pro-imperialist, pro-Israel themes.
Project Reality is a fucking Battlefields, but nice try, that blog is literally about video games training people to be unphazed to violence, not any imperalist bullcrap. Both Project Reality and ArmA are imperialist too.
Literally almost died due to the game crash. Also, are games going to live on or are SJWs going to kill them. Make up your mind.
LOL what, I said clearly that games are going to survive if they get past this SJW bullcrap.

Charles Reyes
Charles Reyes

Project Reality
Imperialist
youtube.com/watch?v=ZnRYfYxcWh4

Dylan Williams
Dylan Williams

Which is why Lenin refused to give power to the local Soviet.

muh poplar support

Samuel Adams
Samuel Adams

You can play OpFor in every Battlefields and Call of Duty.

Colton Flores
Colton Flores

There are certain shitposters that plague the yuri show threads and banning them unfortunately doesn't do anything since they always ban evade. I can mention pricksposter but i dare not mention he who must not be named because that bastard is probably crazy enough to come to Zig Forums. I'm trying to follow all the cute girl shows but only Zombieland has threads everyday and i don't post there often.

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Brayden Gomez
Brayden Gomez

Yes, it fucking is. SJW being triggered by men playing military games.
There isn't even anyone triggered on that blog. It's just synopses of media coverage about the question of whether violent military games have a function to desensitize potential soldiers. That's a good fucking question. If the army is engaging in psyops on the American public we need to know that.

William Perry
William Perry

That's literally what I implied, you're pointing towards the Ocean and saying there is water in it.
Thus proving me right? Someone asks water and I point to the Ocean.
I applaud your optimism. Reality is though, they'll "survive", but they won't get better.
Yeah, they will, as long as they survive this SJW fad.

Lincoln Harris
Lincoln Harris

what is left is casual trash like Fortnite and Overwatch, which nobody plays
Not the user your talking to, but this is my point here . People actually do play those games and if they are the generic, causal future of gaming if games survive. Before games entertained a small crowd, now they have expanded to try to fulfill the whole market and have become generic to fulfill it and reduce costs.
Project Reality is a fucking Battlefields
I wasn't saying it wasn't, I was saying it adds more then Arma. PR also had a beta going in Arma that died, which was fun but buggy but leagues over base Arma.
Hey

Juan Brooks
Juan Brooks

What are you talking about? The Bolsheviks had a majority in the Soviets.

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Isaiah Nelson
Isaiah Nelson

The only thing they care about is their hurt feelings of men playing shooting games and enjoying the violence.

These people shit themselves if you point out actual military simulator sold on Steam.

Xavier Wood
Xavier Wood

Thus proving me right? Someone asks water and I point to the Ocean.
Yes, but your showing me a cesspool of SJWs and idpollers as evidence of widespread SJW influence. I'm not saying there aren't thsie kinds of people in the games industry, but they come second to profit and only add shit on top of an already generic shitty game. I can handle stupid rhetoric if the gamepaly is good, I just say it's stupid. But if the game isn't fun, then there is no point in playing.
Yeah, they will, as long as they survive this SJW fad.
I doubt it, but go ahead and believe differently. The trend is triple AAA becoming shittier and generic gameplay wise, SJWs or not. Risk is not an option in the market.

Alexander Harris
Alexander Harris

Casual games never last, just like Tf2. They are a fad and die down, good games develop a long following.

Also my point remains that that SJW is clueless on the actual military content that is already available on Steam, he is just scared of milirary shooter.

Lincoln Butler
Lincoln Butler

You don't know this. Why don't you give people the benefit of the doubt from time to time?
Here's the second post on the page:
This local newspaper discusses the video game technique their local air force base began using and how this will evolve into a national technique and extend to all branches of the military. The military video games focus more so on the development of cognitive adaptiveness. The young, male soldiers played six hours a day for two consecutive days and were then tested for this cognitive adaptiveness and learning progress. They already knew that the video game training effects these factors, however this was to test how exactly they effect these abilities and how best to implement them in the training program for the defense department. This will hopefully make training more cost effective and efficient than the older, more traditional training methods.

This article takes an entirely different standpoint on the use of video games for military training than the majority of my other sources. Although it does train for war, they may paint a entirely different war than the reality. The game will never be able to truly capture the intensity and stress of the actual situation. A person can only desensitize via media so much and won’t ever be able to comprehend the true reality of the situation. Killing a person in real life will always have an emotional toll to a certain extent regardless of the amount of video game training receives. This article also makes the connection between PTSD prevention and virtual simulation training. They seem to be hopeful about helping future veterans with PTSD and lower the suicide rate through this simulation.

Could the rapid SJW you imagine write down lines like that without further comment?

Nathaniel Hill
Nathaniel Hill

Tf2
One of the most popular games on steam?
Dude just tell your age……

Luis Anderson
Luis Anderson

Yes, but your showing me a cesspool of SJWs and idpollers as evidence of widespread SJW influence.
Why not? Mainstream media support both tumblr view on video game violence and sexuality. In fact these journalist get their talking points from tumblr.
I doubt it, but go ahead and believe differently. The trend is triple AAA becoming shittier and generic gameplay wise, SJWs or not.
AAA is dying, with SJW shit sprinkled on them. Good games will just chug on fine.

Angel Clark
Angel Clark

Sure can, these readings point to vidya being le great soldier training tool, which deeply scares SJW.

Alexander Kelly
Alexander Kelly

My meaning is that Lenin did not trust the local Soviet.

Andrew Torres
Andrew Torres

Casual games never last, just like Tf2
user, you're referencing a game that has refused to die since fucking 2007 and still has a sizeable community funneling money into what is a free-to-play. In regards to other casual games, kids are fucking dressing up in fortnite costumes and playing it. I know people in third-world counties playing it. Fucking youtubers play it and get millions of views. It's stupid and the game is stupid, but that doesn't mean it doesn't make money.
Mainstream media support both tumblr view on video game violence and sexuality.
Mainstream media has always sensationalized video games, they're an easy target.
In fact these journalist get their talking points from tumblr.
No, I wouldn't say that. Are they bad? Yes. But rarely do you see the kind of "This is why I hate Video Games"-tier shit that you might see on from tumblr types.
AAA is dying, with SJW shit sprinkled on them. Good games will just chug on fine.
Maybe on indie platforms, but for the most part these will be low budget and eventually lead to the same stuff were seeing now years later when those few small companies become large and waste another two decades chugging out shit. Games should be open source, the only people making them should be people who actually want the game to be the best it can be because it's a game they would want to play, not just because they want a cash cow.

Jeremiah Miller
Jeremiah Miller

TF2
casual game
it has a higher skill ceiling than any garbage game you force down your throat. that I can guarantee.

Jordan Lopez
Jordan Lopez

People are not exactly playing ARMA en masse buddy. Pretty sure you're just imagining yourself as some soldier in waiting to compensate for the fact that you are a bugman.

Noah Ortiz
Noah Ortiz

Vidyas are a fairly different industry from film. It's inherently less accessible, and long-running series (shit like FIFA notwithstanding) live and die by relatively small ossified fanbases. SW could make a nonbinary quadraplegic transnigger the Jedi Master, and they would still profit regardless of how many neckbeards they alienate. Videogames can't do that. Videogames also a very young industry and marketers are still basically treating uncharted waters. They try to use the same marketing tricks as movies, but that is obviously failing. Of course they'll adjust with time, and it could go either way. Maybe vidyas will manage to truly break into the mainstream, and then inclusiveness will prove profitable. Or gaming will remain conservative and companies will stop pushing it. The market isn't a magical fairy and sometimes capitalists make mistakes, especially in an industry so young. One thing that will always stand true is that they aim to maximize profits.

Of course if you think there's a conspiracy involved with fucking videogames you're a sub-50 I.Q. troglodyte subhuman. Read some basic economics that you're so fond of, they have economics books for kindergartener reading level right?

Ian Jones
Ian Jones

Lara Croft can be played fucking naked
No she can't you fucking retard. That was a myth.

Xavier Cook
Xavier Cook

Threads like this always remind me of this Sopranos scene: youtube.com/watch?v=pb7BIaaxGAU

Thomas Brown
Thomas Brown

Star Wars is getting in development hell for the last episode
It literally isn't. Episode 9 was always meant to release in 2019. This image is from 2015.

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Parker Sanchez
Parker Sanchez

a lot of people here were pro GG before it got co-opted by rightists
As someone who started as a SocDem during GG and came out of the whole affair as a libertarian (gradually transitioned to right wing however) I have some serious doubts that most people here were Pro-GG.

From the very beginning it was pretty much a left-right issue, never once did I hear a single leftist say that maybe Eric Gjoni was abused, or maybe that the GGers had a point when it came to the lack of integrity in modern journalism, only the right was willing to hear them out.

The nicest thing I ever heard a leftist say about the issue was that maybe Eric Gjoni was literally insane and imagined all the shit that happened with Zoe Quinn so "it's not his fault".

So it wasn't so much a movement "co-opted" by rightists as one opposed by leftists, which naturally lead the right to pick it up.

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Brayden Miller
Brayden Miller

you don't have to bake gay people's cake. happy?

Leo Roberts
Leo Roberts

As someone who started as a SocDem during GG and came out of the whole affair as a libertarian (gradually transitioned to right wing however)
You are literally what you claim to oppose, with your insipid stories of personal journey, discovery, and transition.

sad, many such cases

Oliver Turner
Oliver Turner

Bullshit I was there during GG and got fed up with as the right co-opted it. I was apolitical at that time and only discovered leftism later on.

Connor Bailey
Connor Bailey

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Dylan Wilson
Dylan Wilson

maybe that the GGers had a point when it came to the lack of integrity in modern journalism
This was literally why most leftists in GG supported it because they saw it as a way to expose the gaming and journalist industry and hopefully snowball the movement onto bigger things. I was libertarian at the time and argued with these people all the time, they existed and we're constantly used as a posterchild for the movement not being the right-wing hatemob the media potrayed it as. Later I would become a communist.
Stonetoss
Fascists and Liberals both support capitalism, just different forms. Whether or not you want a gay cake baked is not a difference, its stupid idpol devoid of class struggle. Also, it's disingenuous to imply the argument is about gay cakes and you fucking know that.

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Zachary Peterson
Zachary Peterson

"Gaming journalism" has never had integrity. It's a form of native advertising. This is why everyone laughs at you.

Juan Richardson
Juan Richardson

It may surprise you but the vast majority of posters here are channers and not tumblr NPCs hired by {{{Soros}}} to intellectually masturbate on an anonymous imageboard. I've been on imageboards for like 15 years, many other leftyanons are also oldfags. I don't go to 4chan or other boards nowadays because your ilk turned everything into /r/the_donald, but there was a time when I frequented /v/, /tg/ and other hobby boards. If you ask around then most of Zig Forums was sympathetic to GG when it was just an apolitical nerd uprising thing and jumped ship when /pol/ troglodytes made it about le jews and anuddah shoah. We aren't liberals, there's no reason for us to be sympathetic to the other side.

Wyatt Perry
Wyatt Perry

It's basically another hobby press. If you go to a magazine rack you'll see publications like (making some up) Modern Sailboat, Fish & Tackle and Hobby Train Monthly. The first question you ask about Model Train Monthly might be about the kinds of model trains being featured in it, less so about the relationship between the magazine and the company that makes the model trains and also advertises in its pages – it's obvious the point of the magazine is to sell model trains. It is a co-dependent relationship and cannot otherwise be otherwise the magazine wouldn't be there. You could imagine some model train guy losing his shit when he realizes that – it's shocking I know – that the magazine is not an *objective* look at the industry. It's just silly. That is what GG is like.

I think some GG types thought streamers could move game reviews away from the "gaming journalism" outfits so you'd get a more honest appraisal from reviewers, but even now you see streamers working for publishers. But the way reactionaries work is by trying to "shock" the audience with a wave of bullshit that is too fast to really keep up with. Whenever I tried to actually talk to any of them they would start sounding insane and screaming about obscure nerd hobby people I didn't know anything about sleeping with a game developer or something. I still don't know what the hell it was about, but it's so toxic that it makes everyone sick, and that is why it's a fertile ground for introducing other ideas like Jews being evil sorcerers and whatever you like.

Hudson Davis
Hudson Davis

even /pol/ is in the midst of a civil war with delusional Q tarded magapedes on the one side and everyone who realized that Trump is a dumb fraud on the other side. You'll get more posters supporting Ocasio Cortez than Trump at this point. You can talk about leftist economic policies just fine

William Sanders
William Sanders

Here's the thing: words are great, but action is honest. I've met many leftists who, in theory, oppose idpol or state they have no opposition to christianity or white people, but who in practice basically act the same as the SJWs but they try to be less openly rude about it.

If it's insipid, I'd say it's for a lack of detail–I chose simplification over entertainment value.

As for becoming the monster I oppose, well I'm more than willing to acknowledge I have. I don't believe anyone on here is capable of putting IdPol to rest, or that it's ever going to "stop" in a force in our politics, so when presented with the binary choice of supporting my tribe or another's, I'll choose my tribe. If I actually could believe that identity politics can be thrown out the window and it were somehow possible to create a movement where everyone can benefit without taking anything from another group of "equal" standing (e.g. whites and blacks) I'd have no reason not to support it.

But that movement is never coming, this is the way the world works and it's how it will continue to work until we're dead and gone.

It might be because I wasn't apolitical at the time and having the "good guys" essentially say I was a piece of shit for supporting a different side in a petty internet squabble hurt me, but there is no point in the whole saga, I believe, where you can point to the right "co-opting" the movement. The movement went right, certainly, but that was based off of a total rejection of it by the left and the right's willingness to accept it.

I'd say the double-standards are the most frustrating aspect of it. I was a big believer in "equality" in the sense of treating people as humans without the baggage of their cultural ancestry, the double-standards applied to different people based on their identity dissuaded me of that motion.

This was literally why most leftists in GG supported it because they saw it as a way to expose the gaming and journalist industry and hopefully snowball the movement onto bigger things.

Again, I never saw a single leftist support it in the earliest days of the "movement" (if an internet clusterfuck can be called that), there was not a single article shared by any site that could be called left that supported the movement from a "left position", and you'd be hard pressed to find any leftist of even slight renown that was lending their support to it in the earliest days of the movement. It wasn't that breitbart was the most popular supporter of the nascent GG movement, it was essentially the only one.

To me, the "I was in GG before it went right" thing is a common trend I see among some anti-idpol leftists, it's almost a way of trying to ensure one has anti-idpol "cred" if only because that was the catalyst, I think, for the larger culture wars, the invention of the "SJW" term and the stereotyping of leftists as "soyboy snowflakes".

Again, if you could provide some evidence that the left actually did rally around GG rather than reject it until it became clear they chose the wrong horse in that race, great, I'd be willing to swallow my pride and accept it for what it is, but I never saw that in the earliest years of the GG debacle.

I was libertarian at the time and argued with these people all the time, they existed and we're constantly used as a posterchild for the movement not being the right-wing hatemob the media potrayed it as.

Look how well that turned out. It became rightwing anyways. There was no point in trying to prove your "innocence" because it went down in history as a right wing movement, there was no point in which they were willing to accept it as anything other than "rightwing white manbabies crying because they hate women", the IdPolers won.

Also, it's disingenuous to imply the argument is about gay cakes and you fucking know that.

The argument is, for the most part. Apocalyptic imagery is only used by those with a horse in the race. At the end of the day those who make up the "alt-right" are sick of the blatantly mean-spirited white bashing, to coercive force "SJWs" and minorities wield over society, and the gradual diminishing of prosperity and cultural integrity thanks in part to globalization.

And before you go "well that's why you should oppose capitalism as its the systemic source of these things", there's no reason to believe there'll ever be a real revolution in our lifetime. The idea of achieving "communism" is a pipe dream, in my opinion–so you're essentially asking us to take constant humiliation and the degradation of our wages and culture NOW, for the vague, improbable hope of a revolution sometime in our children's children's future.

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Sebastian Flores
Sebastian Flores

If the white race is so strong then why a non white character in a videogame is seen as literal genocide

Logan Price
Logan Price

Of course it never did, but there's a level of corruption that everyone is willing to tolerate to some degree, but when it becomes open and blatant people grow disgusted by it. Similarly, when those accused of corruption become outright hostile to the great masses they're attacking, people get angrier.

No one likes being talked down to by an idiot with delusions of grandeur.

I don't think there's any industry more openly hostile and disrespectful of its consumer base than the gaming industry. From the DmC debacle to the "what, you guys don't have phones?" of Diablo Immortal, it's perhaps reached peak anti-consumerist corporate greed faster than any industry on the planet, and it's openly spitting in the face of those who express concern.

Again, everyone is willing to tolerate, to some extent, bribes for good reviews–it's just how these things work, but if a car reviewer praises a car that breaks down on everyone 50% of the time, then has the gall to insult, bully, and sneer at people who attack the car company for it, well those people have every right to have a visceral hatred of the reviewer and indeed his whole profession.

I met maybe one pro-GG person who claimed he "was" a communist during the whole GG debacle, never did I see any serious number of them, and I saw a whole load of self-proclaimed socialists coming out to attack the "misogynists".

Again, I only witnessed an anti-idpol trend among the left well after GG, this was after years of denying there even was a problem with IdPol and, from my perspective, it's a blatantly obvious reaction after /pol/'s anti-SJW crusade passed the "counter-culture revolutionary" torch onto the right. It's not intellectually honest, but an attempt to catch up, to say "look, we never liked those guys either!"

I'd need actual evidence to believe that there was real, genuine sympathy towards GG from the left.

Though the stated goal was about "honesty in the press" and "press ethics", the underlying causes were almost entirely after years of the hobbyist press blatantly insulting its audience and actively promoting things that harmed them financially. No one was "shocked" to find corruption in games journalism, it was obvious all the way back to the first Kane and Lynch. People were disgusted with this brand of corruption where the press could not only *deny* it in spite of all evidence, but insist that people were in the wrong merely for bringing it up, and that they need to eat their slop like the good like pieces of dirt they were.

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Andrew Martinez
Andrew Martinez

They fell for the same trap that they ironically like to make fun of twitter soyboys for - assuming hobbyist companies are supposed to be their friends. They took the laid-back, mostly independent game reviewers of the early 2000s as the journalistic standard without realizing that the industry has moved ahead and turned into another faceless money-printer for porky.

Anti-idpol left is a minority, it is growing now but it was especially so during the GG times. Back then it had very little online presence. Of course you wouldn't find hard-hitting marxist analysis on Kotaku or whatever mainstream "leftist" sources you used to browse.

Revolution will not happen soon because of idpol, so I'll just double down on idpol
Yeah, makes sense. You're just making excuses for why you fell for basic bitch emotional crap instead of having principles.

Jeremiah Wilson
Jeremiah Wilson

I'll choose my tribe
If only you knew how right you are. That's the whole postmodern joke to "white" identity. You are choosing to "retreat" into wholly novel social construct. It's not just stupid, it's absurd. All this choosing of identities in the supermarket of individualism is going to be the death of us.

Connor Hall
Connor Hall

here was not a single article shared by any site that could be called left that supported the movement from a "left position", and you'd be hard pressed to find any leftist of even slight renown that was lending their support to it in the earliest days of the movement.
I dont think anyone is talking about clickbait sharticles or e-celebs when they talk about leftist support for early GG.
The world is not celebs and media. This goes for
I saw a whole load of self-proclaimed socialists coming out to attack the "misogynists".
too. You saw hipster urbanite yuppy scumbags screeching from their soapboxes on kotaku and the like about it.

Zig Forums was sympathetic to GG when it was just an apolitical nerd uprising thing and jumped ship when /pol/ troglodytes made it about le jews and anuddah shoah.
And went on to retcon their internal history so that it was always reactionary/childish/[bad-things here].

Ian Collins
Ian Collins

blatantly mean-spirited white bashing

I know comrade it just hurts. I too was a libertarian until one day I was debating monetary policy theory with a bunch of libtards I was owning them pretty much at every turn but then out of nowhere this blue haired femenist tumblr lesbian just stopped responding to the arguments I was making in my posts and started railing about my maleness and my white privilege. I was fucking devastated and at that moment I hated that bitch.
My anger and my hurt of feel kept growing and growing as I read more and more posts made by feminists and progressives this hurt of feel took me on an emotional wild ride where I finally discovered Culture of Critique by Kevin MacDonald and I realized that it was the kikes all along. I became SIEGE pilled and began to prepare for Rahoa by posting hate facts superimposed on a smug pepe with his finger on the gas button. Those fucking libtards where fucking seething and in that moment I was euphoric I realized they would never listen to reason and logic and that the time for arguments was over.

Julian Green
Julian Green

I was completely pro-GG. Watched Sargon of Akkad and everything. The point at which I started to doubt is when it became fashionable to identify feminism as the problem. Then Sargon had that absolutely embarrassing debate with a feminist (who herself was bullshit as well), and that got me over the edge.

What struck me as important in GamerGate was the need to push radlibs to quit their bullshit. Focus on some actual issues. Retards like yourself came away with the idea that radlibs are themselves the biggest issue on the planet right now. Pure reactionary bullshit. You never held any principles, that's why Dave Rubin got you with his identity politics.

Jacob Anderson
Jacob Anderson

I was fucking devastated
lol pussy

Zachary Young
Zachary Young

I was debating monetary policy theory with a bunch of libtards I was owning them pretty much at every turn
Epic.

Oliver Reyes
Oliver Reyes

It's so telling that any time a rightist explains the reasoning behind his political views it's "Well, a leftist was rude once and I didn't like it." These people are absolutely incapable of critical thought.

Jackson Moore
Jackson Moore

The revolution ain't happening period. IdPol is never going away. It's not "off-schedule", it's not that we're on some ship and were blown off-course but "don't worry, after a brief correction we'll reach our destination a few days later than expected", we aren't even on any charted course–hell we're more or less on a dingy piece of driftwood to be tossed around by the waves.

There's not going to be a revolution in 10 years, 20, 30, 40, or even 50 and if by some miracle there was, it'd be run by the IdPol crowd into the ground–or a nightmare dystopia. I see no reason to have any faith in it happening.

You're just making excuses for why you fell for basic bitch emotional crap instead of having principles

I do, in fact, have principles: to never be forced to humiliate and subordinate myself to another person out of fear of them ever again. The left is ruled by that kind of thinking–you yourself admit the anti-IdPolers are a minority after all–and to be white and in the left means constantly apologizing, constantly humiliating yourself, all to try and please some minorities or soulless parasites using you for your own gain and threatening you with social consequences if they even think you've stepped out of line.

Oh it is a social construct, no doubt, but there's real consequences to that "construct", either financial in the form of reparations or biological in the form of victimization by external forces. It's never going to disappear, so all that's left is to embrace it and twist it towards your own interests.

If support doesn't exist in a tangible form, it's useless. Much like the leftists that "don't support deplatforming" but do nothing to actually stop it from happening. Given a choice between "I dislike this but wont stop it" and "I hate this and will fight it" why would I ever choose the former?

Personally I find the "zionist conspiracy" meme to be stupid. There isn't any conspiracy behind it, just humanity's paradoxical, chaotic, and evil nature. There's no way to "slay the dragon" and "right the world", there's no point in which you can ever declare "victory" over it, it's here, it's going to stay this way forever, and you can only live with it.

What right do you have to demand that you can constantly assault, harass, threaten, and try to demean us yet we still owe you some loyalty for it?

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Henry Roberts
Henry Roberts

This has to be satire

Lucas Nguyen
Lucas Nguyen

Secondly, when we perceive that this mean-spirited hatred has overshadowed any kind of working theory or tangible real world organization, how can you have the gall to claim that we're "stupid" for disliking you/not wishing to associate with you because of theory that's been pushed to the fringes and that you yourself can't even prove you're working towards?

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Hudson Garcia
Hudson Garcia

It definitely is.
in that moment I was euphoric

What's more remarkable is that the other Naziposter couldn't tell the difference between someone with his own beliefs and satire.

Ayden Johnson
Ayden Johnson

It's never going to disappear
What makes you so sure? It's not been around that long, I don't see it lasting forever among even the racists. Already we see the east asians being welcomes as honorary wyats. It's all a tragic fucking joke.

Benjamin White
Benjamin White

Literally the only thing /pol/ gives a shit about is their Jap cartoon porn being taken down from steam
At last I truly see

Ian Ortiz
Ian Ortiz

If support doesn't exist in a tangible form, it's useless
IE, the anti-idpol left is marginal and was even moreso then.
We aren't obligated to treat SJWs as some kind of problem from within if we dont even want to recognize them as comrades of any sort. Some anons consider them potential converts, but as they are already, they're not our allies.
You're saying here that if the popular, mainstream "left" has been fully coopted by capitalism, you think the best idea is to go to the right. But the right has always been fully supportive of everything bad that actually matters that the aforementioned mainstream left was coopted into supporting as well or not opposing. Things that 'actually matter' don't include culture wars bullshit, but the structural and economic issues it distracts from.

If your goal in supporting the edgy alternative right was to sidestep the liberal hijacking of the progressive left, then the movement has utterly failed in that regard. It never turned into anything more substantive than idpol bitching.

Carson Phillips
Carson Phillips

There's no way to "slay the dragon" and "right the world", there's no point in which you can ever declare "victory" over it, it's here, it's going to stay this way forever, and you can only live with it.
So? All of the world's problems will never be solved. There will always be conflict between people, and it will always make us miserable. But if you don't struggle against this, there's no point at all. How about we try to realize what is good and important to us at this moment, and see where that leads us in the long run.
What right do you have to demand that you can constantly assault, harass, threaten, and try to demean us yet we still owe you some loyalty for it?
Now your beliefs are justified because someone was mean to you on an imageboard. Brilliant illustration of my point.
You don't owe loyalty to anyone. Loyalty is a spook. I'd never demand it of anyone. If you're going to be a leftist, do so because you genuinely care about the flourishing of the world around you.
That's not what I said.
Being "left-wing" isn't about associating with people. In the first place it's about holding certain political viewpoints. Thinking for yourself. That's an alien idea for you, isn't it? You just go for whatever viewpoint is edgiest.
The left as a movement is in a pitiful place right now, but it's coming back. It has to come back. Else the world is fucked.

Cameron Cooper
Cameron Cooper

Being "left-wing" isn't about associating with people. In the first place it's about holding certain political viewpoints.
This is an important point. Most of the /pol/fucks arguments here boil down to a misunderstanding that by "leftism" we're somehow referring to a social group, a way of identifying. Voting democrat, putting a hammer and sickle next to your name to own the republicans, signalling your tribal loyalty with feminist and anti-racist comments, etc.

Parker Gutierrez
Parker Gutierrez

I do, in fact, have principles
You do not. You, paradoxically, have been shamed by ideologues to join an identity cult out of fear of being called a soyboy, cuck or whatever the fuck otherwise. You sound more intelligent than 99% of /pol/ crossboarders but for some reason you don't want to accept that "le epic tumblr vs 4chan internet wars" are mere fringe trifles compared to class conflict. Socialist movements can succeed and have succeeded before, admittedly people like you choosing the easy way out and becoming idpolers make it difficult. If you don't want to pay and beg forgiveness, go to your local leftist org and speak out against idpol or start your own reading club. But that's too hard, right?

Gavin Wood
Gavin Wood

At the end of the day those who make up the "alt-right" are sick of the blatantly mean-spirited white bashing, to coercive force "SJWs" and minorities wield over society, and the gradual diminishing of prosperity and cultural integrity thanks in part to globalization.

And before you go "well that's why you should oppose capitalism as its the systemic source of these things", there's no reason to believe there'll ever be a real revolution in our lifetime. The idea of achieving "communism" is a pipe dream, in my opinion–so you're essentially asking us to take constant humiliation and the degradation of our wages and culture NOW, for the vague, improbable hope of a revolution sometime in our children's children's future.
Hey, don't be such a pessimist! Well, I kid, but having not followed this GG stuff, what it sounds like me is that you're playing a kind of Pascal's wager. That's the idea that it's safer to believe in God because if you don't, you risk Hell. It's safer to rally around your tribe, because you have something to lose by throwing in with our lot. I can't say I blame you.

But what I can tell you about actual IRL communist organizations (and I mean real ones) is that it's not about being good people, or nice people, but functioning as combat organizations with members who have to trust each other and move as a unit that is heading toward the same general goal – and that goal is the destruction of capitalism, the United States, etc. and its replacement with an international dictatorship of the proletariat, among whom only 14.2% are white (being generous). Most are Chinese and Indian, adding another billion black Africans (going up to two billion in a few decades). If we include "Caucasians" generally with white people including North Africans, Middle Easterners, Persians, and Latin Americans and so on then the number of whites goes into the 30% range. Basically as Mao said, "Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer with which we crush our enemies."

How to get there is the big question: I'm a big fan of respecting local communities and practices – I personally don't have any problem with religion – rather than through some top-down centralized smashing of everyone into goo. But part of basically every communist organization out there is that the white population in the Western world and particularly America derives its wealth by exploiting impoverished foreign and internal (non-white) minority populations. Like, a big communist slogan is "nothing to lose but their chains." If you have something to lose then you're probably not going to be a communist, even if you might be anxious about your stagnant wages as a white person in America or wherever. World communism would seek to create global parity in living standards over time, which means that the Western world's wealth will have to come down.

That's not say you can't be a communist, though, or that a revolution here in the Western world is impossible. I will also tell you that capitalism in the Western world is not all that it's cracked up to be, with most of us spending most of our lives working jobs that make us miserable, stressed-out and under the thumb of craven, evil little crooks. Basically, living on a treadmill of commodity production isn't all that it's cracked up to be, and we would have many benefits getting rid of this!

But opinions about video games are really not the core focus here. There are various social-democratic groups that are trying to rejigger capitalism to make it better for the working class in the U.S. or Europe, and they can actually do that which is good, but that's probably not going to lead to communism; because capitalism will attack organized groups that attempt to replace it, and will do so using criminal means supported by elements of the middle classes where they exist.

Anyways, I agree that we'll probably not see this happen in our lifetimes. We might see the destruction of the global financial system in our lifetimes, though.

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Angel Edwards
Angel Edwards

Again, if you could provide some evidence that the left actually did rally around GG rather than reject it until it became clear they chose the wrong horse in that race, great, I'd be willing to swallow my pride and accept it for what it is, but I never saw that in the earliest years of the GG debacle.
I'd need actual evidence to believe that there was real, genuine sympathy towards GG from the left.
Fuck you for making me have to dig through all of my GG stuff to find the poll. Here it is, from late in the movement. Enjoy.
inb4 Four way axis chart
Its a shitty way to measure politics, but it blows the idea that literally everyone was right-wing out of the water
"But look at all the right-wingers"
Libertarians were what made up the majority at the beginning and the hard-right jumped on board later on, there's really no way around that.

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Jose Wright
Jose Wright

In case anyone was wondering btw, there is actually a shit ton of dots stacked right on the center. A lot of people thought themselves perfect centrists and made their results come out that way.

Colton Morris
Colton Morris

Reactionaries can't be converted

Henry Ramirez
Henry Ramirez

actually could believe that identity politics can be thrown out the window and it were somehow possible to create a movement where everyone can benefit without taking anything from another group of "equal" standing (e.g. whites and blacks) I'd have no reason not to support it.
If only such a movement has existed, I'm sure it must have…

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Jaxon Cruz
Jaxon Cruz

It can happen, we have posters here as evidence of such, but its unlikely most of the time.

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Jordan Gomez
Jordan Gomez

That test is designed to pull people toward the bottom left. If you adjust for that then that chart is like 75% right wing.

Jose Carter
Jose Carter

Everything I've read from Marxist lit tells me that people become radicalized when they see their actual conditions of life revealed by the contradictions within capitalism becoming too much to bear, usually in the process of direct struggle with it in some fashion. A revolution happens when these contradictions prove so great that the ruling class is paralyzed and collapses. The job of communists is to "heighten the contradictions." I'd liken it more to a psychotic-like break with bourgeois society completely. Like, a proletarian in the Western world, say, is somebody I think is working in the supermarket near me chopping meat. Just a shitty fucking job being spat on by their bosses and being exhausted all the time and not being able to take it anymore. Or really, in the world, people without shoes digging for rare-earth minerals in an open pit mine.

It's just a recognition that the world as it exists is evil and insane and people will dump bombs from B-52s on countries to keep it that way. Now, I don't like people becoming internet Nazis because of video games, but it's hard to reason somebody out of a position they didn't really reason themselves into in the first place. Like the position that "I'm going to protect my ill-gotten wealth by becoming a white nationalist" is fundamentally a class position anyways. If your goal is to woo them over to voting for Bernie Sanders so you get these marginal social-democratic reforms, well that's fine I suppose. But it's a big world and our individual opinions about it are not that important.

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Asher Thomas
Asher Thomas

That poll was from the actual /pol/ threads, this one was from the hashtag. You're probably right though, but it was overwhelmingly liberal if anything. Yes, I know liberals are still technically right wing.

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Jaxon Garcia
Jaxon Garcia

I have some serious doubts that most people here were Pro-GG.
I was on the /pol/ threads that suggested donating to the foundation that eventually spawned vivian, I created a fair bit of the OC the GG threads still use to this day, like the Daiz list edit and basically every anime related webm that has is from before 2016.
I was even on 4chan when the doritogate and even the gerstmangate happened, video game journos were, and will always we pieces of shit.

From the start GG was co-opted HARD by reactionaries, from Milo to fucking Roosh, but since I was kind of a /pol/yp back then I didn't care that much.
Personally, I got tired of /pol/ not keeping their shit together and shitting vidya threads, and even community shit 8/v/ did like TF2C dying because some /pol/yp who posted on /cuteboys/ couldn't keep his autism in check, shit like TPP showing that capitalism is indeed a piece of shit, and people unironically thinking Trump would solve anything made me end lurking here.

Oh, yeah, and then the whole thing about /pol/ not shutting up and derailing shit on 8/v/ intensified and spread to 4/v/, and then the rest of the boards in 2016 and 2017.

Grayson Harris
Grayson Harris

Pretty much everyone gets that result on the compass test.
I purposefully answered questions to get Authoritarian Left and still got libertarian left, clearly there's a very strong bias from whoever made it.

Logan Garcia
Logan Garcia

Isn't it just,
Authoritarian <-> Libertarian == Social Conservatism <-> Social Liberalism
Left <-> Right == Economic Interventionism <-> Economic Liberalism
? Or am I mistaken?

Jose Gomez
Jose Gomez

no it's autism because it == autism

Ryder Roberts
Ryder Roberts

user, you're referencing a game that has refused to die since fucking 2007 and still has a sizeable community funneling money into what is a free-to-play.
And? Its playerbase has dropped a lot meanwhile true classic like CS: source still chugs on.
In regards to other casual games, kids are fucking dressing up in fortnite costumes and playing it. I know people in third-world counties playing it. Fucking youtubers play it and get millions of views.
And? It will pass because it is a fad, like TF2 and PUBG.
But rarely do you see the kind of "This is why I hate Video Games"-tier shit that you might see on from tumblr types.
Yes, they fucking do, they get mad for even lesser things like normal sexuality, tranny joke and muh minorities in vidya.
Maybe on indie platforms, but for the most part these will be low budget and eventually lead to the same stuff were seeing now years later when those few small companies become large and waste another two decades chugging out shit.
Nope, indie games are just as bad/good as company games, it has nothing to do with risk or muh experiment, it is about making games with stable mechanics that people can enjoy.
Games should be open source, the only people making them should be people who actually want the game to be the best it can be because it's a game they would want to play, not just because they want a cash cow.
Wrong, the act of wanting to make money is how can you go in and make the best products. Companies stray from this part and actually listen to SJWs.

Blake Fisher
Blake Fisher

ArmA is played by millions by now, so it is en masse, hell. The SJW get scared knowing this fact.
SW could make a nonbinary quadraplegic transnigger the Jedi Master, and they would still profit regardless of how many neckbeards they alienate.
Nigger, you are fucking retarded, I would like to see a tranny SW and see how they hilariously fail.
Of course if you think there's a conspiracy involved with fucking videogames you're a sub-50 I.Q. troglodyte subhuman.
Typical SJW thinking, if you wrongthink, you are sub-5p I.Q. subhuman.

This board is fucking toast.

I would say it needs to be recolonized by channers instead of these SJWs.

Ryder Jones
Ryder Jones

They literally say they do not know what to write.
Sound like a LARPing Zig Forumser.

No nazi can ever like Engels, he was the George Soros of the day.

Aiden Wright
Aiden Wright

They literally say they do not know what to write.
They literally do know what to write given that they, you know, have a script and are actually filming scenes from that script.

Nathan Lewis
Nathan Lewis

it is about making games with stable mechanics that people can enjoy
If this is true then the "sjw" you seem to be so mad about would not matter. It is just window dressing to superior game mechanics.

Henry Parker
Henry Parker

No nazi can ever like Engels, he was the George Soros of the day.
First, the poster in the image is an ex-fascist. Second, Soros is a neoliberal who funded anti-soviet groups, assisted in the break-up of the USSR, and assisted Solidarity in Poland. He's as far from Engels as could be humanly possible.

Joshua Sullivan
Joshua Sullivan

Proof?
They matter because through their guidance, game became lower quality and just an outlet of politics. They become clickbaits.

SJW do not desire good games, they want propaganda.

Ethan Harris
Ethan Harris

ArmA is played by millions by now, so it is en masse, hell. The SJW get scared knowing this fact.
Pathetic self aggrandizement of a subhuman.

David Fisher
David Fisher

Nope, it is from a Zig Forums-larper.

And Engels is a factory owner's son who uses his wealth to fund subversive left wing politics and theory to destabilize nations, the exact same shit as Soros.

Jace Morris
Jace Morris

True. I used to be a conservitard back in like 2016. I even voted for Trump. Look at me now, lmao…. I'm going to a for-profit school and going into the film industry. I'm a failure of a socialist but at least I have a keyboard & an open mind :^)

These advocates for the "free market" just live in such comfort and luxury because of capitalism, and they get greedy. I just don't understand why regular people defend this. Do they not understand how they're being exploited? Are they THAT brainwashed? I talked to my neighbor the other day, who owns a business of his own, about socialism. Same with my dad. The two of them are just as equally brainwashed into thinking capitalism, and increasing people's dependency on corporations, is a good thing and that the poor working class are just lazy minorities who can't "get an education."

How come they have such a distrust in the public sector (that the people can actively change through democracy) yet completely trust the private one where you can't change shit because you don't matter?

They're just greedy. They're afraid of their possessions getting taken away because then that'd mean they wouldn't live in complete bliss and dependency on a system that exploits their hard labor. I can't believe that I was blind to it for a long time, but now it's becoming more and more clear to me that we're not overreacting about all this exploitation stuff. I used to think "man these people just can't enjoy anything" but now I see why.

Trying to coerce people into collectivism is nearly impossible when all they do is want more and more for themselves. You shouldn't argue with reactionaries or people on the alt-right because the vast majority of them don't have the mental capacity to take in the harsh truth about consumer society. There's this amazing series called "The alt-right playbook" on YouTube. The guy explains why the alt-right acts this way. And these people wonder why we have so many sociologists on our side.

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Justin Stewart
Justin Stewart

SJW do not desire good games, they want propaganda.
They would still want good games because those are better propaganda. You can literally apply every nonsensical platitude you spouted on competition on that mechanic. Stop being such a basic bitch spooked nigger.

Dominic Evans
Dominic Evans

I am happy going my days knowing faggots like you are scared of me.

David Brown
David Brown

Nope, SJW do not need good games at all since they just want clickbaits. They themselves do not play games.
Stop being such a basic bitch spooked nigger.
LOL nigger.

Landon James
Landon James

Come see me when you make it out of your basement hon.

William Watson
William Watson

To be honest, I fail to see how rightwing themes would even make for good stories to be honest. It seems like it would just fall into a basic black/white mentality sort of story telling. Ones that I often find /pol/lacks to be a fan of because anything outside of that goes against their worldview, but I personally find it to be rather boring.

Dominic Robinson
Dominic Robinson

How come they have such a distrust in the public sector (that the people can actively change through democracy) yet completely trust the private one where you can't change shit because you don't matter?
Totally not a Zig Forums LARPer.

LOL change shit with democracy.

Josiah Brooks
Josiah Brooks

sjw are entirely composed of a subset of people in the culture industry who work for clickbait media
No wonder you can't do class analysis if you can't even make sense of this tbh.

Jackson Morales
Jackson Morales

LOL what a bitch.
Right wing stories tend to be the best since it is about the undying human spirit fighting to remain sane in an ever changing world. Or at least of individuals and freedom triumphing over the masses.

Jayden Morgan
Jayden Morgan

And Engels is a factory owner's son who uses his wealth to fund subversive left wing politics and theory to destabilize nations,
Engels was neither subversive, given that he was pretty open about his beliefs, nor was his theory done to "destablize" nations.
the exact same shit as Soros.
Soros funded anti-communist groups and has a history of anti-communist action you brainlet. Literally show where he funds "left"-wing groups. Reminder, Democrats don't fucking count, only communists here.

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Jace Jackson
Jace Jackson

That is exactly what SJWs are.

And class analysis is a stupid fucking thing, and it went into defensive mode with stupid shit like "labor aristocrats".

Ayden Ward
Ayden Ward

Reality doesn't matter to faggots like this. They'l believe in whatever world fits their beliefs the best, reality be damned.

Adrian Carter
Adrian Carter

right wing means these very vague general things that are generally in vogue in european literature
whoa

Jackson Peterson
Jackson Peterson

Right wing stories tend to be the best since it is about the undying human spirit fighting to remain sane in an ever changing world. Or at least of individuals and freedom triumphing over the masses.
I bet you think Hemingway was right-wing.

Adrian Wood
Adrian Wood

Engels was neither subversive, given that he was pretty open about his beliefs, nor was his theory done to "destablize" nations.
Soros is also open in his belief, what subverive about him is they both trying to change society through human right orgs and journalist and actor. And Marxism goal is to destroy nations and borders.
Soros funded anti-communist groups and has a history of anti-communist action you brainlet.
While Engels funds Kike Marx to spread communism, you fucking dumbo.
(GOY WAS BILLED FOR THIS POST)

Zachary Butler
Zachary Butler

How is that vague?
I do not read him.

Isaac Gray
Isaac Gray

I do not read him
we can tell

Eli Morales
Eli Morales

through human right orgs and journalist and actor.
Engels didn't do this
And Marxism goal is to destroy nations and borders.
That's not the goal, and misses a huge amount of context. Actually read Marx before you make comments on Marxism.
While Engels funds Kike Marx to spread communism, you fucking dumbo.
No, Engels funded Marx to study and analyze how capitalism works and it's effects. Other people spread communism fine.
I do not read him
Quite literally epitomizes what you said. How have you not read Hemingway? He's like required reading, we even had to read Old Man and the Sea in trade school.

Christian Gonzalez
Christian Gonzalez

I am a spiritualist, we shape reality with our will.

Oliver Evans
Oliver Evans

implying votes aren't controlled by money

Fym LARPer?

Nolan Mitchell
Nolan Mitchell

2743914
I am a spiritualist, we shape reality with our will.
Not even self-declared spiritualists believe this, you may as well say you believe in majik.

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Christian Long
Christian Long

death to kikes

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Hunter Harris
Hunter Harris

2743921
Yes he did, Kike Marx's only jobs were journalist and strike organizer.
You said human rights orgs, journalists, and actors. Marx was only sort-of one of these things, he was more of an economist when with Engels.
Now in denial, that is the goal of Marxism, a classless moneyless government less society and Marx wants to erase borders and nations.
The "goal" isn't erasing borders and nations though. The idea is that when productive forces at their fullest and scarcity has been reduced to near post-scarcity levels, borders and nations with cease on their own accord because the material reason for their existence will cease to be. You don't skip to full Communism though, you have to go through a period of lower-stage communism (described as Socialism by most communists) where it may very well be necessary to both have a government and state due to the fact that productive forces have to be built up and opposing capitalist countries still exist.
Engels is a fucking factory owner's son, and he needs a fucking NEET to tell him how capitalism work? Nope, this is not a debate or study, Engels funds Marx so he can write propaganda for him, exactly what Soros does today.
Yes, because Marx had already been studying capitalism and was an economist. Engels was acquainted with Marx from before in the Young Hegelians and they worked together to discern how capitalism operated and why we observe the things we do in it.
I read it, it was uneventful. Just a story of an old man struggling to live.
Stop being a pseud. You literally talked before about the "undying human spirit fighting to remain sane in an ever changing world" which Old Man and the Sea largely is because he is a relic from an older time somewhat looked down upon by the newer generation of fishers who fish through newer methods, while he is wrestling against what is a force of nature with only a line and hook.

Camden Sanders
Camden Sanders

Converting a circlejerk is an exercise in futility.

A few of them are serious, while the rest are in it for the lulz.

Also trying to troll /b/ is like pissing in an ocean of piss. You should know this.

Julian Martin
Julian Martin

Only threads I really ever check out anymore on /a/ are for old anime and whatever weekly manga I'm following. Haven't followed a seasonal anime thread in years.

Levi Reed
Levi Reed

I knew it was satire from the "owning them pretty much" comment, I just figured it'd be important to mention that I don't suscribe to nazi ideology, I chose this flag because it's about the only "far right" flag on here.

The categories may change, but they'll never disappear. The "honorary" meme is almost entirely because of the overlap of eastern entertainment and /pol/lacks (plus the fact that East-Asian countries don't "cuck" seemingly as openly or as hard as western ones). It's never honestly disappearing though because the only attempt to "stop" it has been trying to rationalize it away. These ideologies aren't based on the rational and they can't be rationed away. They're only going to grow more toxic and all-consuming.

For the longest time all I wanted was one sincere apology from a leftist. Just one. No excuses. No justifying it, I just wanted for the longest time to hear "These people grew from our side, they insulted you, we're sorry and we don't support anything these idiots say."

I never got that apology, even after this utter tone deafness likely helped Trump get elected, at this point I don't even care for one anymore. The only way to end the conflict is for one side to beat the other and scatter it to the four winds. Either we win or they do, there can't be a compromise, and there's too much mutual hatred on both sides to forgive and forget.

I am thinking for myself in fact–you mistake genuine cynicism for "edginess". In regards to the last part of your post, we've become so accustomed to our stories having us, the human race, as the main stars that we can't imagine a world wherein we don't exist. The fact is that world is not just possible, it's probable. The left doesn't "have" to come back, the world doesn't "have" to be saved, these things *can* come back and be saved, but there's no unseen force guiding history in this direction. At the last moment, the cavalry wont come, the people wont "rise up", there's nothing forcing them to–hell they'll only think to do something when extinction is on their door, and even then it'll be too late.

There's not a leftist alive today who's comparable to even the "failures" like Luxembourg or Trotsky, the percentage of "real" leftists out there is probably smaller than even the constantly despised and fringe neo-nazis. It's done, finished. Even if it could "save the world" it isn't happening.

Humans are social creatures and no man is an island–if you hold these views you'll inevitably end up socializing with leftists, which means being held to their standards and morality. It's totally unavoidable.

It's always the problem of the left to misuse the term "fear"–mostly because you're trying to make my reasons look unjustifiable or petty. I don't, in fact, fear being called "anything" and trust me when I say being called a "Nazi" is far worse and bares far more consequences than being called a cuck.

As for organizing being "too hard", I've progressed to the point where the very word "equality" is practically noxious to me. I don't care to, or wish to, ever associate with leftists. Simply put, they're an alien people to me. Something foreign. I have no motivation to join up with them or waste my breath "speaking out against IdPol" when that just wont work.

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Matthew Reed
Matthew Reed

I just wanted for the longest time to hear "These people grew from our side, they insulted you, we're sorry and we don't support anything these idiots say."
I never once supported them and only moved from the center to the far left after realizing I didnt have to like or associate with those fucks to believe certain ideas. Suck my cock faggot.

Luis Lee
Luis Lee

I just wanted for the longest time to hear "These people grew from our side, they insulted you, we're sorry and we don't support anything these idiots say."
<Sir, I say sir, when will you finally disavow these ruffians?
For someone pretending to be cynical and being willing to make the "hard" nihilistic choice of retreat into right idpol, you sure are a huge faggot. People were mean to you on the internet, god forbid! If you indeed are that kind of a weakling, then pic related applies very much.

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Gavin Murphy
Gavin Murphy

You're free to call it petty just as I'm free to despise your side for petty reasons, though I'd argue continued leftist denial about this problem isn't helping your side any–and hurting it in the long run–in the end it will be the next decade or so which will prove decisively what your actions (for better or worse) have earned you.

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Michael Hall
Michael Hall

Okay, seriously, how old are you? I didn't read every word you said, but it sounds like you're obsessed with viewing humanity as some sort of malevolent force out to get you and you're using it as an excuse to retreat into an extreme political position that you hold no real convictions for, just that it's as cruel as your own view of the world. Get away from the internet and I promise that you'll feel a lot better in time.

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Jaxon Long
Jaxon Long

Why the need to convert anybody? Honest question. Trying to "convert" people has done nothing but fuel conspiracy theory (muh subversion!) and piss people off. /pol/ is unironically doing more to turn people left than we have anyways, their purity spiraling is making them look even more insane and intolerable

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Anthony Wilson
Anthony Wilson

I do believe in magic, you goddamn materialist bastard.
You said human rights orgs, journalists, and actors. Marx was only sort-of one of these things, he was more of an economist when with Engels.
Economist? In what fucking university or trade? He's a goddamn NEET who begs Engels for allowance and in turn writes books for him. Books that Engels used to fight against his competitors i.e. other factory owners.
The "goal" isn't erasing borders and nations though.
Yes, that is precisely the goal, a classless moneyless governmentless cannot exist in a world with nation and border, and Marx wanted to do away with all nations, borders and even culture first before they can get to communism, this is why he supported free trade.
The idea is that when productive forces at their fullest and scarcity has been reduced to near post-scarcity levels, borders and nations with cease on their own accord because the material reason for their existence will cease to be. You don't skip to full Communism though, you have to go through a period of lower-stage communism
Mumbo jumbo bullshit, Marx never has a fucking plan, he just has a prediction that never come true, he used socialism and communism as synomyp, and it's Stalin and his goons who invent "lower stage communism" or "socialism" to justify central planning and big ass nanny state, or Lenin who reverted to capitalism for "historical dialetics". Pathetic.
Yes, because Marx had already been studying capitalism and was an economist
It's that word again, in what sense? What economic model does he describe? Engels knows more about fucking economics than him.
ou literally talked before about the "undying human spirit fighting to remain sane in an ever changing world" which Old Man and the Sea largely is
And? What that does have to do with anything? I have no experience with Hemmingway to say he's right wing or not. Just that his literature is just edgy and depressing with no hopes.

Oliver Hernandez
Oliver Hernandez

Funny you talk about this, because rightiest inheriently believe in natural order and just world, which means that humanity is NATURALLY good and is corrupted by evil beings, and the rightist want to get back to that.

Meanwhile leftists have always regarded history as shit and even believed Kike Marx's word that communism is gonna start "real history".
It's safe to say that the leftists are either turning into nazbols or liberals, and this place is no different.

Nathaniel Anderson
Nathaniel Anderson

Evil beings
Does anyone have the humans vs orcs cap, I lost it when I cleaned my pc

Caleb Kelly
Caleb Kelly

Do you want the bourgeois vs proles one?

Hunter Edwards
Hunter Edwards

rightiest inheriently believe in natural order and just world, which means that humanity is NATURALLY good and is corrupted by evil beings, and the rightist want to get back to that
Right-wingers' understanding of politics is based on Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings.
What a shocker. How do people fall for your voodoo shit in the first place?

Here's a question for you: How do you define "evil", and what do you think motivates evil behaviour?

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Wyatt Lopez
Wyatt Lopez

One does not "fall for it", one recognizes the truth.

And do not place LOTR next to Harry Potter, please.

Here's a question for you: How do you define "evil",
Corruption.
and what do you think motivates evil behaviour?
Excess. Greed, lust, wrath, all of that.

Charles Jackson
Charles Jackson

One does not "fall for it", one recognizes the truth.
the world is black and white
truth
More like religious myths.

Corruption
Explain. No idea what you mean by corruption in this context, tbh fam.
Excess. Greed, lust, wrath, all of that.
And these traits are exclusive to 'evil beings'? Or are everyone susceptible to them?

Jayden Scott
Jayden Scott

More like religious myths.
Nope, the truth.
Explain. No idea what you mean by corruption in this context, tbh fam.
merriam-webster.com/dictionary/corruption
And these traits are exclusive to 'evil beings'? Or are everyone susceptible to them?
The people who have excess of these traits are evil beings. They have no self control and fall prey to evil.

Blake Myers
Blake Myers

links to four definitions of corruption
Yeah, you're actually gonna have to specify what exactly you mean by corruption in this context.
The people who have excess of these traits are evil beings. They have no self control and fall prey to evil.
Are they born with these traits? Or do they attain them?

Carson Evans
Carson Evans

Yeah, you're actually gonna have to specify what exactly you mean by corruption in this context.
It's in the definition I linked.
c. a departure from the original or from what is pure or correct
Are they born with these traits? Or do they attain them?
They are born with these traits.

Jonathan Clark
Jonathan Clark

c. a departure from the original or from what is pure or correct
So what is pure and correct? Can you find a time and place in history where things were "pure and correct"?
They are born with these traits.
How do you know this? Are you saying that external factors stop influencing your behavior after birth? Because unless you can show that people can't become "evil" after birth, then your base assumption kind of falls apart.
Maybe now is the time to tell you that there actually exist theories that can both explain and predict political behavior, without resorting to baseless assumptions inspired by fictional morality tales.

Julian Edwards
Julian Edwards

So what is pure and correct?
merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pure
merriam-webster.com/dictionary/correct
Can you find a time and place in history where things were "pure and correct"?
Every times in history, things are pure and correct and are being corrupted by evil beings.
How do you know this?
Through personal experience and definition, all humans have basic instincts and urges, by keeping these inline, you become a good human.
Maybe now is the time to tell you that there actually exist theories that can both explain and predict political behavior, without resorting to baseless assumptions inspired by fictional morality tales.
Or maybe it's time you throw down the political hocus pocus and actually recognize the truth. Truth is unchanging, unlike "political theories".

Michael Cox
Michael Cox

Every times in history, things are pure and correct and are being corrupted by evil beings.
things are good, but then bad things happen
Supreme take.
Through personal experience and definition, all humans have basic instincts and urges, by keeping these inline, you become a good human.
So evil is to succumb to urges that everyone shares, but that happens during birth? (You said that evil people are born evil).
Truth is unchanging, unlike "political theories".
Imagine being like this.
Scientific theories are how you uncover the truth. Believing something 'just because', thinking your own "personal experience" is all that's needed, is how you dig yourself into a hole of delusion.

Sebastian Brown
Sebastian Brown

Through personal experience and definition, all humans have basic instincts and urges, by keeping these inline, you become a good human.

I never thought anyone would actually go by Freud here lmao
Tell us, why didn't you fuck your mother yet, did she not put out for you or what?

Christian Brown
Christian Brown

Every times in history, things are pure and correct and are being corrupted by evil beings.
Wishful thinking. The truth is that the pure and correct was evil from the beginning. It's all one big system.

Luke Bennett
Luke Bennett

admit responsibility for the actions and beliefs of people you never aligned with and always hated because other people call them "left" and you call yourself "left"
This is some white guilt shit.
Normalfaggot NPC go away

Angel Brooks
Angel Brooks

I live in a liberal hellhole surrounded by leftist college students. Trust me, I get out enough just fine, I'm disgusted by what surrounds me. Secondly I never once tried to explain my political position in this thread; I'm by no means a Nazi–I'd say I'm more of a generic authoritarian right winger if anything–but I definitely feel as if I was born in the wrong century.
That, however, is besides the point. I'm here and there's no way to "go back", I can't find much joy in this world, but I can definitely hate. I can hate and loathe and despise certain things, and use that as motivation to keep pushing me forward, to keep growing, to keep struggling, and to find those quiet little places where I'm free of this living hell for a moment.

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Bentley Gray
Bentley Gray

APOLOGIZE!

lol I can't take you faggots seriously. I understand where the real historical nazis came from it was WW1 and the great depression, masses of unemployed shell shocked veterans wanted revenge and jobs and a militarist aesthetic to recover lost pride.

You faggots were traumatized by fucking tumblr and buzzfeed articles. Gamergate was your WW1 you got shellshocked by posts you didn't like. Your college years were your great depression.

Imagine being so mindfucked by internet posts that you become a fascist shilling for ethnic cleanisng. Buzzfeed and the SJW's are annoyiong but it's not their fault that you became retarded it's your fault their retardation pales in comparison to yours. Your entire fucking existance played out in a personal drama centered around the computer screen that was only real in your mind. Most people have no idea tumblr exists most people don't know about buzzfeed clickbait they don't know that some comic book character became a fat femenist or that Call Of Duty now has a female protagonist or some other irrelevant shit that you care about it all happened in your mind and it's a good thing. The more retards get filtered out this way into the open the better

Jeremiah Johnson
Jeremiah Johnson

What "living hell" are you exposed to, exactly? Because as far as I can tell you seem to be still in school, surrounded as you are by students, and thus perfectly sheltered from wage labour, among others. Are the cool kids bullying you, user?

Nicholas Foster
Nicholas Foster

This has got to be elaborate satire.

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Camden Rogers
Camden Rogers

Someday you will stop hating and accept that this place doesn't belongs to us. Compassion will replace hate.

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Adam Clark
Adam Clark

Tbh colleges are hotboxes. They are highly atomized and paranoid environments and a lot of the weird collective neuroses of student/campus populations do not reflect the real world. Not to say the outside working world is any better: in some ways it's worse, but it's through encountering the contradictions of it that one comes to understand their estranged being. And that is where the spectre awaits.

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Asher Torres
Asher Torres

I'm not in college actually, already graduated, I work retail and pay my bills. If this is going to turn into a "But muh wage slaves in Malaysia, don't you feel silly for complaining about your first world problems now?" Diatribe, day in and day out I'm surrounded by entitlement and stupidity–and constantly talk of white male privilege this or rape culture that. A buddy of mine got told to check his privilege because he didn't let a lady cut ahead of him.

Having to constantly let these idiots go on and on, having to be talked down to again and again by a bunch of useless wastes of oxygen because "Oh WHY did you change the sour cream recipe from whole milk to lowfat milk, you RUINED my favorite sour cream!" and then hanging with friends only to hear some stupid liberal platitudes about "Ugh, Ben Shapiro is such a racist–like, I can't even." is fucking maddening.

If you think anywhere in my posts I insisted that being insulted was "traumatizing" then you didn't–in fact–read them. Again, if you think you're entitled to any loyalty or friendship because of your ideas, then you don't know how people actually work. If I have to sacrifice my dignity just to associate with them, they aren't worth it.

Though I have to wonder at the hypocrisy at someone mocking another person's pettiness for not supporting them out of admittedly petty reasons, while at the same time feeling too prideful to just offer an apology and end the conflict.

If my "wounded pride" isn't reason enough to oppose your ideas, then why is your pride so great that the idea of actually apologizing–even if there's no real material cost to it–is something you wont even consider?

You can mock all you want, but I was open with the fact that my "petty" problems could be solved with a single sincere apology, yet most people here seem too petty to even consider that.

If I stop hating, then simply put, I'll stop existing. I'm not just a person who hates, I am my hate. I don't even feel the excitement from arguing against someone I hate anymore, I just feel disgust and exhaustion.

This hate isn't going anytime soon.

I already graduated college, everything was nightmarish from the faculty to the liberal students. I've been in the "real world" of wage labor for some time now. Trust me, this out of time feeling isn't based off of one or two neurotic college students I encountered. Someone like me honestly doesn't belong in this world, but it's the one we're stuck with.

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Ryan Rogers
Ryan Rogers

A buddy of mine got told to check his privilege because he didn't let a lady cut ahead of him.
She sounds retarded, but so are you if you've based all your politics around opposition to dumb radlibs, which is what most /pol/yps seem to do.

Owen Jones
Owen Jones

You won't know until you get there. Also, not existing is actually the best.

Wyatt Richardson
Wyatt Richardson

If I stop hating, then simply put, I'll stop existing. I'm not just a person who hates, I am my hate.
Chuunibyou: incurable

Bentley Morgan
Bentley Morgan

Having to constantly let these idiots go on and on, having to be talked down to again and again by a bunch of useless wastes of oxygen because "Oh WHY did you change the sour cream recipe from whole milk to lowfat milk, you RUINED my favorite sour cream!" and then hanging with friends only to hear some stupid liberal platitudes about "Ugh, Ben Shapiro is such a racist–like, I can't even." is fucking maddening.
If you think Ben Shapiro is a serious person then theres truly not much goig on up there.
But why the fuck would anyone think that right-wing politics of any kind could alleviate the problems you describe? You don't even really seem to know what exactly your problem is, all you do is dream about some romanticized images of how things should/could be, its all based on dumb aesthetics and beyond that theres nothing.
Born in the wrong century
Aight obv its very easy to make fun of this kind of statement but to be real for a moment here,
what do you think previous centuries looked like? Do you think people were more intelligent, cultured? Lol. Most people were fucking uncultured swine, the aristocracy might have listened to better music but they were a bunch of neurotic inbred psychos. Do you think it was a 'time for adventurers and conquerors'? Even more fucking lol, 99% chance you were cannon fodder and thankful for it because "im gonna go to heaven yay".

Listen to this
youtube.com/watch?v=Mdo6WuWpwsc

Hate
Nothing wrong with that, but if some part of you still wants to do something not pointless with your life, start educating yourself and become a communist.
Leon Trotsky on communism:
Man will become immeasurably stronger, wiser, and subtler; his body will become more harmonious, his movements more rhythmic, his voice more musical. The forms of life will become dynamically dramatic. The average human type will rise to the heights of an Aristotle, a Goethe, or a Marx. And above these heights, new peaks will rise.

Connor Perry
Connor Perry

A buddy of mine got told to check his privilege because he didn't let a lady cut ahead of him.
Has he already recovered from this?
having to be talked down to again and again by a bunch of useless wastes of oxygen because "Oh WHY did you change the sour cream recipe from whole milk to lowfat milk, you RUINED my favorite sour cream!"
You seem to resent doing emotional labour. And so the sjw worm turns again.

Nathaniel Anderson
Nathaniel Anderson

A buddy of mine got told to check his privilege because he didn't let a lady cut ahead of him.
See, the funny thing about this is letting ladies cut in front of you is kind of an aristocratic, 19th century notion.
I already graduated college, everything was nightmarish from the faculty to the liberal students. I've been in the "real world" of wage labor for some time now. Trust me, this out of time feeling isn't based off of one or two neurotic college students I encountered. Someone like me honestly doesn't belong in this world, but it's the one we're stuck with.
Okay, got it. So this I am with you. I hated college and the sense of feeling "out of time" that you're experiencing is basically just "modernity," to sum up in one word. Capitalism annihilated traditional patterns of deference and command, and threw into disrepute overarching meaning-giving systems that once prevailed over whole societies. Rushing in to fill the void came a generalized sense of ennui which isn't so much boredom but a sick, "soul-destroying" boredom on an existential level. "All that is solid melts into air." I also think you are misdirecting your anger, and are in a way reflecting – like a mirror – the same attitudes of the people you hate. You write: "hanging with friends only to hear some stupid liberal platitudes about 'Ugh, Ben Shapiro is such a racist–like, I can't even.' is fucking maddening."

Then this:

The bourgeoisie cannot exist without constantly revolutionising the instruments of production, and thereby the relations of production, and with them the whole relations of society. Conservation of the old modes of production in unaltered form, was, on the contrary, the first condition of existence for all earlier industrial classes. Constant revolutionising of production, [EMPHASIS HERE:] uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions, everlasting uncertainty and agitation distinguish the bourgeois epoch from all earlier ones. All fixed, fast-frozen relations, with their train of ancient and venerable prejudices and opinions, are swept away, all new-formed ones become antiquated before they can ossify. All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind.

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch01.htm#007

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Jackson Young
Jackson Young

If I stop hating, then simply put, I'll stop existing. I'm not just a person who hates, I am my hate. I don't even feel the excitement from arguing against someone I hate anymore, I just feel disgust and exhaustion. This hate isn't going anytime soon.
/pol/ terrifies me because I thought this exact kind of shit when I was 14-15. Like verbatim, a decade ago this would be literally me. Plus all the right-wing conspiracy shit, and /pol/ didn't even exist back then. I have moved on long since, but I can't imagine being so edgy and infantile past college. It's depressing. We seriously need reeducation camps where people like this will be forcibly prevented from using the Internet, I'm not even joking right now.

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Luis Johnson
Luis Johnson

m-mommy the SJW's were mean to me!
oh god just stop fucking posting. If you're gonna be a fascist can you at least pretend to not be such a limp wristed faggot.

Levi Hill
Levi Hill

/pol/ terrifies me because I thought this exact kind of shit when I was 14-15
That's probably because a large proportion (probably a majority at this point) of /pol/ is literally 14-15 years old.

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Ian Anderson
Ian Anderson

"Ugh, Ben Shapiro is such a racist–like, I can't even." is fucking maddening.

But Ben Shaprio IS a racist.

Mason Richardson
Mason Richardson

Books that Engels used to fight against his competitors i.e. other factory owners.
So let me get this straight, Engels supported an economic system that would destroy his own family from owning factories because he didn't like his competitors? Engels at the time didn't even own the factory, his family whom he had strained relationship with did.
Yes, that is precisely the goal, a classless moneyless governmentless cannot exist in a world with nation and border, and Marx wanted to do away with all nations, borders and even culture first before they can get to communism, this is why he supported free trade.
Read Marx
Mumbo jumbo bullshit, Marx never has a fucking plan, he just has a prediction that never come true, he used socialism and communism as synomyp, and it's Stalin and his goons who invent "lower stage communism" or "socialism" to justify central planning and big ass nanny state, or Lenin who reverted to capitalism for "historical dialetics". Pathetic.
Read Marx, lower stage communism is literally described in Critique of the Gotha Program.
It's that word again, in what sense? What economic model does he describe? Engels knows more about fucking economics than him.
Capitalism and Socialism. Engels did not participate in the family business when he first met Marx and when they first began working together. Engels largest work was anthropological if anything.
Just that his literature is just edgy and depressing with no hopes.
Read Hemingway before critiquing him.

Almost all the answers here could be "Actually read the source and the history of the author before making statements".

Sebastian Morales
Sebastian Morales

things are good, but then bad things happen
That is precisely what happens though.
So evil is to succumb to urges that everyone shares, but that happens during birth? (You said that evil people are born evil).
Evil is corruption, which I already said.
Scientific theories are how you uncover the truth.
Yep, not political theories. inb4 Marxism is a science
Believing something 'just because', thinking your own "personal experience" is all that's needed, is how you dig yourself into a hole of delusion.
Now when I believe something just because?
But that's another thing, why do you believe something? Because someone told you to, someone gives you the evidences? And you call me delusional?
The fuck, you want to fuck your mother?
Here's the delusional Marxist with a negative world.

Gavin Perry
Gavin Perry

inb4 Marxism is a science
what do you think science is?

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Jaxson Robinson
Jaxson Robinson

So let me get this straight, Engels supported an economic system that would destroy his own family from owning factories because he didn't like his competitors?
Yep? Because Marx's books didn't harm Engels, Marx's books harm his competitors.
Engels at the time didn't even own the factory, his family whom he had strained relationship with did.
But he would and did become the owner of such factory.
Read Marx
Read Marx.
Read Marx, lower stage communism is literally described in Critique of the Gotha Program.
Nope, it wasn't, CoGP said "lower stage communism" would retain this and that, but it's not in anyway descriptive of what would happen.
Capitalism and Socialism.
Capitalism is already well described since the dawn of humanity.
Socialism never happened.
So what kind of economist is Marx?
Engels largest work was anthropological if anything.
Which makes him a social engineer, you know, like George Soros.
Read Hemingway before critiquing him.
That's not even a critique. And I don't read Hemmingway.

Almost all the answers here could be "Actually read the source and the history of the author before making statements".
Like what? Have you actually read Marx?

Aaron Hall
Aaron Hall

Science is the studying of phenomenon in order to repeat it.

David Roberts
David Roberts

Is this praxis?

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Noah Jones
Noah Jones

It's called a Zig Forumsnigger posting on 4chan.

Brayden Jenkins
Brayden Jenkins

Yep? Because Marx's books didn't harm Engels, Marx's books harm his competitors.
Proof? Socialism doesn't allow for privately owned factories and inevitably if it occurred in Engels time, his families factory would also cease to be privately owned.
But he would and did become the owner of such factory.
Not at the time Marx wrote his first observations of capitalism
Nope, it wasn't, CoGP said "lower stage communism" would retain this and that, but it's not in anyway descriptive of what would happen.
"lower stage communism" would retain this and that, but it's not in anyway descriptive of what would happen.
I think you may have missed the part about the dictatorship of the proletariat, how people are paid by contribution, and labour vouchers
Capitalism is already well described since the dawn of humanity.
Capitalism hasn't existed since the dawn of humanity. Economists like Adam Smith and Ricardo never said this. Literally no one except modern libertarians has said this. Trading isn't capitalism in case you were wondering.
Socialism never happened.
While most of the examples occurred afterwords, the Paris commune literally happened during Marx's time.
So what kind of economist is Marx?
To use the common definition of an economist, "An economist is an expert who studies the relationship between a society's resources and its production or output.", which Marx did. He built of Adam Smith's and Ricardo's observations of capitalism with their way of analyzing it and his own analysis.
Which makes him a social engineer, you know, like George Soros.
No, it doesn't, otherwise every anthropological work is social engineering. I think George Soros even writes anthropological works. Read Origin of the Family, its literally just Engels looking at the anthropological works of the time to make his own observations on how different forms of the family developed in different stages of history, societies, and economies.
That's not even a critique. And I don't read Hemmingway.
The point was you asserted the earlier things you said were right wing, which they are not. Many different authors, even leftist ones, have written about those things.
Like what? Have you actually read Marx?
Again, have you?

Adam Butler
Adam Butler

calling people niggers on an imageboard is just part of the whole thing
you can't not call someone a nigger
it's part of undermining identity politics and its terms

Angel Reyes
Angel Reyes

Proof? Socialism doesn't allow for privately owned factories and inevitably if it occurred in Engels time, his families factory would also cease to be privately owned.
Socialism would not occur during Engels's time. But Kike Marx's books would serve as wonderful propaganda to incite strikes.
Not at the time Marx wrote his first observations of capitalism
And? He's still in the scope of getting the position.
I think you may have missed the part about the dictatorship of the proletariat, how people are paid by contribution, and labour vouchers
Which is retaining that and that, but not descriptive.
Capitalism hasn't existed since the dawn of humanity.
Yes it did.
Economists like Adam Smith and Ricardo never said this.
Adam Smith and Ricardo are not the only economics nor they were arbiters of capitalism.
Trading isn't capitalism in case you were wondering.
Yes it is, trading and marking is capitalism, which is why Marx was against it.
While most of the examples occurred afterwords, the Paris commune literally happened during Marx's time.
Paris Commune was not socialism.
To use the common definition of an economist, "An economist is an expert who studies the relationship between a society's resources and its production or output.", which Marx did.
Marx is neither an expert nor he described any kinds of economic system.
No, it doesn't, otherwise every anthropological work is social engineering.
Anthropological work is inherently about social engineering because it studies and asserts how society works, Engels work in particular makes comments on how it should be in the future (women liberation), thus it is social engineering.
I think George Soros even writes anthropological works.
Just like Engels.
The point was you asserted the earlier things you said were right wing, which they are not.
But they are? Because that's right wing ideology.
Many different authors, even leftist ones, have written about those things.
So it makes these leftist ones write right wing literature.
Again, have you?
I have, have you?

Carson Murphy
Carson Murphy

To use Wikipedia of all places
Science (from Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge")[1] is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe.[2][a]
Marx observed capitalism, organized his observations into a theory, and made predictions based those observations and theory. You can look at capitalism now and still make the same observations he made on the underlying mechanism of how it operates. Darwin looked at the development of organic nature, while Marx looked at the development of human history. Darwin was a huge inspiration for Marx.
But Kike Marx's books would serve as wonderful propaganda to incite strikes.
Which is good and leads to strikes everywhere?
And? He's still in the scope of getting the position.
You're just making assumptions with no evidence at his point. You were before, but now you're just being blatant about it.
Which is retaining that and that, but not descriptive.
You're retarded. He's laying the base platform and foundation to structure socialism around.
Yes it did.
No, it didn't. There was not always cycles of investment, industrial scale commodity production for the purpose exchange, or even private ownership of a MoP for the purpose of commodity production for exchange for money to be reinvested.
Adam Smith and Ricardo are not the only economics nor they were arbiters of capitalism.
They represented the first look at studying capitalism and were the most widely accepted economists of their time and after. No economist after them or before them stated capitalism is trade, that only came hundreds of years later from people who were never taken seriously because it makes no sense.
Yes it is, trading and marking is capitalism, which is why Marx was against it.
No, it isn't. Again, you're just proving you haven't read any economist.
Paris Commune was not socialism.
Ok, this is epic.
Marx is neither an expert nor he described any kinds of economic system.
Show proof.
Anthropological work is inherently about social engineering because it studies and asserts how society works,
You've got to be fucking with me now, you said it was social engineering. Stop backpedaling.
Engels work in particular makes comments on how it should be in the future (women liberation), thus it is social engineering.
He never made comments on how things "should" be, he made comments on how things MIGHT be based on the changing conditions of society.
Just like Engels.
That was meant to be "I don't think George Soros even writes anthropological works.", which he doesn't. Point me towards one.
But they are? Because that's right wing ideology.
They are not, show me how they are.
I have, have you?
No, you obviously haven't because you keep making statements with no sources and claim some conspiracy by Engels with also no sources. You make incorrect statements on Marx and think anthropological works are social engineering. Actually show me evidence of you're accusations or leave.

Charles Lopez
Charles Lopez

I would view it more as just using the common vernacular to effectively get a point across

Elijah Kelly
Elijah Kelly

two people doing a thing is capitalism
end yourself you stupid nigger

Jose Morgan
Jose Morgan

Marx observed capitalism, organized his observations into a theory, and made predictions based those observations and theory.
I don't see science, I see theory and predictions, you might as well say Nostradamus was a scientist because he can observe history and make predictions.
Which is good and leads to strikes everywhere?
Which is bad for Engels's competitor, Engels's factory never suffered at Marx's hands.
You're just making assumptions with no evidence at his point.
How? He's the factory owner's son, and he's in the scope of the being inline.
You're retarded. He's laying the base platform and foundation to structure socialism around.
Where and how? Saying meaningless term like dictatorship of the proletariat (which was never expanded upon) and labor vouchers, a structure does not make.
No, it didn't.
Yes it did, look at the first cavemen who exchange tools with each other, or the first agragian society that trades with each other. The capitals are their goods, and they invest and use these goods in order to build up their property.
They represented the first look at studying capitalism and were the most widely accepted economists of their time and after.
And again, Adam Smith and Ricardo were not the only economists nor are they arbiters of capitalism.
people who were never taken seriously because it makes no sense.
You mean taken seriously by everyone because it makes sense. Everyone is in this world is still following capitalism.
No, it isn't. Again, you're just proving you haven't read any economist.
One does not need to study ANY economist in order to understand capitalism.
Ok, this is epic.
How? How was Paris Commune socialism?
Show proof.
Marx was a NEET/a journalist, there's no proof of him being an economist except his own claim.
The capitalism that he described is wrong, his theory is wrong and socialism never happened.
You've got to be fucking with me now, you said it was social engineering. Stop backpedaling.
Yes it is?
He never made comments on how things "should" be, he made comments on how things MIGHT be based on the changing conditions of society.
Which he is in favor, again, because the dirty bourgeois WANTED it to happen.
Point me towards one.
thriftbooks.com/w/the-age-of-fallibility-consequences-of-the-war-on-terror_george-soros/857274/#isbn=158648494X&idiq=2624701
They are not, show me how they are.
Right wing ideology is about respecting for tradition, when the term is cointed by the french monarchists during the French revolution. Any ideology that is about preserving the old or showing the old struggling against the new, progressive force is right wing.
No, you obviously haven't because you keep making statements with no sources and claim some conspiracy by Engels with also no sources.
I have provided every sources, it's you who are in denial about the conflicting statue of Engels.
You make incorrect statements on Marx and think anthropological works are social engineering.
Show me where, and anthropological works ARE social engineering.

Grayson Torres
Grayson Torres

Except it is.

In fact, one person employing another is declared verboten by Kike Marx.

Aiden Ortiz
Aiden Ortiz

trading and marking is capitalism
one person employing another is capitalism
make up your mind

Xavier Wilson
Xavier Wilson

Both are capitalism?

One person employing another is the trading of of money for labor.

Levi Davis
Levi Davis

otherkin and proud
stop triggering me
Why is idpol so cancerous?

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Adam Morales
Adam Morales

bad thing = leftist, good thing = rightist, if leftist does good thing he is a rightist
capitalism is just trade and has always existed
books are social engineering and you shouldn't read them, there's objective truth and it's whatever it is in my head
This one is so generic, but for some reason I don't think it's bait

Cooper Myers
Cooper Myers

Nice strawman, kike, but please quote me properly.

Colton Perry
Colton Perry

Either ways,
capitalism is just trade and has always existed
This is true.

Adrian Richardson
Adrian Richardson

I don't understand this image, it reads like she contradicts herself. Liberalism threatens capitalism and leftism doesn't, but true leftism threatens capitalism and isn't liberalism? Wtf is this word vomit?

Aiden Wilson
Aiden Wilson

They're retarded

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Xavier Cruz
Xavier Cruz

except there's a clear difference between trading a beer for 3 cigarettes, and trading not to starving to death for hours of your lifetime.

Zachary Nguyen
Zachary Nguyen

No it isn't you retarded baboon. Like even rightist historians and economists would disagree with you and say that capitalism is a relatively modern invention, although they may disagree with Marx on specific time limits. You're asserting something akin to flat earth and you have to be genuinely retarded to believe it.

Eli Jackson
Eli Jackson

They literally say liberalism doesn't threaten existing power structures you illiterate mongrel

Joshua Martin
Joshua Martin

she never said liberalism threatens capitalism, she never said leftism doesn't threaten capitalism
it's a fucking tweet, how is your reading comprehension this bad

Noah Clark
Noah Clark

2745728
Where's the clear difference? Both are trading
no there isn't. the second one isn't a trade because there's only one option.

Carson Carter
Carson Carter

2745735
you can choose to starve to death in the forest.
at last I have realized I am living in true freedom.

Parker Brooks
Parker Brooks

Okay, prove it.

John Russell
John Russell

2745751
first google result for "ancient trade" after wikipedia
So is this the power of /pol/ facts and logic? That page says nothing about capitalism or that trade existing in ancient time meant they had capitalism.

Nicholas Brooks
Nicholas Brooks

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you might as well say Nostradamus was a scientist because he can observe history and make predictions.
Someone making predictions based on the bible and other supernatural phenomena is the same as economists looking at trends and history and making predictions based on those trends.
Every economist that has ever lived is Nostradamus confirmed.
Which is bad for Engels's competitor, Engels's factory never suffered at Marx's hands.
No factory in Germany really suffered because in Engels time there was no socialist revolt in Germany
How? He's the factory owner's son, and he's in the scope of the being inline.
Show proof that he did what he did to benefit his families factory.
Where and how? Saying meaningless term like dictatorship of the proletariat (which was never expanded upon) and labor vouchers, a structure does not make.
Critique of the Gotha Program is literally a critique of the Gotha Program to make it workable and how its socialist economy should be structured.
Yes it did, look at the first cavemen who exchange tools with each other, or the first agragian society that trades with each other. The capitals are their goods, and they invest and use these goods in order to build up their property.
People giving each other tools or trading farmed goods for tools is not capitalism or capitalist reinvestment into a privately held MoP. Private ownership didn't even exist for most of human history, most of human history goods were held in common.
And again, Adam Smith and Ricardo were not the only economists nor are they arbiters of capitalism.
Who are you using then?
You mean taken seriously by everyone because it makes sense. Everyone is in this world is still following capitalism.
Not even classical liberals think capitalism is trade.
One does not need to study ANY economist in order to understand capitalism.
Holy shit, we have a galaxy brained intellectual here who don't need to read no books.
How? How was Paris Commune socialism?
user, its literally a commune with a socialist government.
Marx was a NEET/a journalist, there's no proof of him being an economist except his own claim. The capitalism that he described is wrong, his theory is wrong and socialism never happened.
Prove it
Yes it is?
It isn't by definition
Which he is in favor, again, because the dirty bourgeois WANTED it to happen.
Which is why the bourgeoisie proceeded to oppose socialism and communism in every country for the next hundreds of years, of course.
thriftbooks.com/w/the-age-of-fallibility-consequences-of-the-war-on-terror_george-soros/857274/#isbn=158648494X&idiq=2624701
This isn't anthropology nigger
Right wing ideology is about respecting for tradition, when the term is cointed by the french monarchists during the >French revolution. Any ideology that is about preserving the old or showing the old struggling against the new, progressive force is right wing.
So people fighting for the now nonexistent USSR are right-wing?
I have provided every sources, it's you who are in denial about the conflicting statue of Engels.
No, you haven't
Show me where, and anthropological works ARE social engineering.
Burden of proof is on you here, show me sources.
2745728
I can in fact prove it.
Do it nigger

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Adam Perry
Adam Perry

precisely because it is the left-most edge of the economic spectrum that DOESN'T threaten their [capitalists] power
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user, I appreciate you coming to my aid, but...

Landon Hall
Landon Hall

We've tried before. Didn't work very well.

Easton Turner
Easton Turner

It did have some hilarious side effects, but it would likely just shit the place up now its way smaller.

Ryan Green
Ryan Green

post some nazi shit on /pol/
"yeah but what about freedom and democracy"
">unironic assad shills"
"FALSE FLAG! google Qanon"
it makes me laugh seeing nazis trying to operate in a board and website they themselves decimated.

Liam Collins
Liam Collins

Is that why there's so many anti-capitalist threads on /v/?

Ryder Young
Ryder Young

There are?

Charles Cruz
Charles Cruz

what happened? raids or what?

James Ortiz
James Ortiz

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Literally no one agrees with your definition of capitalism, but that's okay because every single economist and historian that has ever lived is wrong. You want us to argue against a definition that you just made up, for which no possible source can exist. That's some creationist tier arguing. Is this how /pol/ debates?

Thomas Ortiz
Thomas Ortiz

Literally everyone fucking do except the economist and historians.

And some economist agrees too.

You want us to argue against a definition that you just made up, for which no possible source can exist.
Funny because I didn't make that up while Marx made up his definition of capitalism (that no one actually uses).

Benjamin Wright
Benjamin Wright

<not existing is actually the best
Then why haven't you an hero'd? I don't want you to, because I firmly believe life has purpose and that all life has at least some value to it, but why haven't you so if you truly believe that?

Angel Jones
Angel Jones

We used to be the bogeyman for 4chan, and because Zig Forums isn't listed on google they constantly raided the wrong place.

Cooper Brown
Cooper Brown

Because leftist is coward.
That's what you told yourself.

Meanwhile, raids happen frequently and the vols are here to clean it up.

Brody Edwards
Brody Edwards

t. 2017 oldfag boomer

Dominic Torres
Dominic Torres

If you call this shit raiding you have severely died as a movement, jesus.

Michael Foster
Michael Foster

Literally everyone fucking do except the economist and historians.
So everyone except people whose opinion is actually relevant?

Logan Phillips
Logan Phillips

I'm a 2007 oldfag zoomer actually.
I'm just posting here normally, the vols just mad that I exist at all.
Wow, trust the expert guys!

Trust the expert.

Lincoln Collins
Lincoln Collins

everyone has a different definition so the actual one is wrong
back to >>>/postmodernism/

Daniel Harris
Daniel Harris

Funny you say about that, but Marx's definition is wrong.

The fact Marx ignored past definition (i.e. the state) shows that he's the one who's wrong.

Cameron White
Cameron White

everyone before him agreed on the definitions. it's the retarded failed normalfags who think they know what they're talking about from watching youtube videos though.

Julian Harris
Julian Harris

Macron is the emobodiment of what every wing of society hates, exemplified by this meme.

On a random note, Y'know what the best pipe dream that's never been tried before would be? Every political ideology is given a certain amount of space, a certain amount of resources, a certain amount of people, and just lets loose to see which proves to be the best. I'm talking a full on bio-dome society test (1 dome for each ideology) for 10 years, to see how well it works. Frankly I think most if not all societies would work on the small level, but on a big level? That's where the REAL data would be. It'd cost a shitton of money, but imagine if whichever society came out on top, or the several that came out on top were all tested again for longer, and with more people. Keep going until you get the BEST ideology, and then make that the world's political ideology. You could still have nations depending on the ideology, but y'know. Of course, its a pipe dream because even if the project is done, elites would never give up power. Even if a revolution happened, it'd likely just put another elite class on top ala Soviet Union. Who knows though, right?

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James Bailey
James Bailey

What is your definition based on? That you feel like it is true? Do you identify as a trigendered otherkin too?

2007
The year you were born in I guess.

Camden Morris
Camden Morris

2007 oldfag zoomer
Incredible amounts of doubt.

Chase Mitchell
Chase Mitchell

Nobody fucking agrees with him, it's why Marxism requires a fucking sect of followers who call everybody else wrong.

Joseph Smith
Joseph Smith

My definition is based on the mechanism used by actual capitalist i.e. merchant.
Go to any market stall.
How can I prove it to ya?

Kevin Edwards
Kevin Edwards

everybody who actually studies anything agrees with him

Eli Baker
Eli Baker

In all honesty, you were allowed a significant period of time to argue and vaguely gesticulate about some grave offense to your empty and boneheaded sensibilities before you started getting cleaned. All you've done is schizopost from the moment you've arrived, not to mention your annoying reddit spacing and general lack of understanding (down to even basic historical record)

Landon Williams
Landon Williams

How can I prove it to ya?
Go back in time and never make such a patently false claim in the first place.

Benjamin Price
Benjamin Price

Which is not the mechanism that has been in use for most of the human history.

Juan Reyes
Juan Reyes

That's just fucking wrong.
Nope, nobody allowed me shit, they banned me for 10 times now.

Yet I'm still here.

ll you've done is schizopost from the moment you've arrived,
LOL what? How?
Show me a time machine, I would like to go back to the 1860s, Europe.

Ethan Rivera
Ethan Rivera

What? If anything has changed in the world, trading ain't.

You are blatantly fucking wrong.

Samuel Barnes
Samuel Barnes

That's just fucking wrong.
wanna back up that claim with literally anything?

Carter Young
Carter Young

Mikhail Bakhunin?

Nolan Butler
Nolan Butler

merchants trading is not fucking capitalism. you can shill your retarded brainlet 14 year old definition but nobody's going to buy it.

Owen Green
Owen Green

he agreed on the basic definitions used by Marx.

Nicholas Cook
Nicholas Cook

Yes it fucking is, and go ask literally everyone that is not Marxist.
Nope, he didn't.
He in fact called Marx a statist sellout.

Mason Diaz
Mason Diaz

Yes it fucking is, and go ask literally everyone that is not Marxist
like who?
Nope, he didn't.
He in fact called Marx a statist sellout.
but he agreed on what capitalism basically was, along with everything else besides what communism was.

Juan Sanders
Juan Sanders

Show me a time machine, I would like to go back to the 1860s, Europe.
Hop right in!

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John Adams
John Adams

If you're THAT user, then.
Yet I'm still here
In all candor, the fact that you have a VPN and can operate it is not a measure of persistence in the face of persecution. I applaud you having the time to pursue your passion of nonsensically berating a 'marxism' that doesn't exist but in your gravely pockmarked illusions. My second congratulations should be the fact that, if you're a 2007 oldfag, that you've managed to retain your shitty grammar and nigh childish English-language rhetoric - while everyone else, even the occasional /pol/-poster, seems to have developed some proclivity towards propagandizing.
A huge reason behind your continual ejection is that, contrary to some popular belief, without the descending into essentialist nonsense, we don't actually care if you come and question. The fact, however, that you've been exceedingly persistent in coming in and bastardizing the whole of a decent conversation on faulty grounds in most every respect means that you're not a very pleasant poster to retain.

In all candor, it'd be much preferred if you would cease making a fool of yourself, or at least don your clowns costume like the baboon-poster so that we might glean some more entertainment from your stupidity. At present, it's just somewhat sad

Joshua Stewart
Joshua Stewart

like who?
Like anyone who isn't a Marxist. Average dude on the street?
but he agreed on what capitalism basically was, along with everything else besides what communism was.
Aksually, Bakunin agreed that capitalism the private ownership of the means of productions, which I agree to, but it's not enough.
Capitalism is the private ownership of properties.

Luis Richardson
Luis Richardson

tl;dr?
Nice try, bitch boi.

James Richardson
James Richardson

tl;dr?
He wants you to be more intelligent or at least amusing in your stupidity.

Anthony Garcia
Anthony Garcia

I'm already intelligent and I don't need to be amusing.

Thank you.

Jayden Kelly
Jayden Kelly

tl;dr
typical, an illiterate /pol/yp. Doesn't matter, it was a long, drawn-out observation on your minimal mental capacity.
Average dude on the street
The measure and predictive capacity of a random person on the street couldnt mean quarter-fuck to the whole of the organization of a contemporary economy. So who gives a shit what some random thinks - it doesn't come into economics, just the perception of economics. Read literally any foundational textbook on political economy, and you'll see the same. If you make assumptions about the origin of the whole of a system based on pithy anecdotes, you'll never understand the full breadth of the process that you're subject to.

Juan Morgan
Juan Morgan

I'm already intelligent
youtu.be/NOaSdO5H91M?t=5

Zachary Adams
Zachary Adams

So in short, the people who actually sell and buy for a living know less than some experts studying in a university.

And they ask why college students are poor, they pretty much invent shit and eat the shit they invent.

you will never understand
Weird, I already understand. Meanwhile, work on your understanding.

Jayden Walker
Jayden Walker

2745817
Nostradamus was making predictions based on history though.
Nostradamus literally believed in the equivalent of Majik like you do.
Might as well, same shit.
And you wonder why no one takes you seriously
Exactly as Engels wanted.
Prove it
He did it to benefit himself because he was gonna become the head of his own factory, and it would be good for him if his competitors get strikes.
It would also mean he would get strikes and his factory would be seized by the workers
So where is it? Point it out. Oh wait, you can't. Kike Marx exactly like Zig Forums now, he never said anything concrete, just dropping words that he made up definitions.
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch01.htm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotha_Program
Yes it is, it is capitalism.
No its not, no one ever called it that and your reasoning implies that no system other then capitalism ever existed even those that patently rejected it. The USSR was capitalist, Maoist China was capitalist, every anarchist commune was capitalist, literally every human interaction is capitalist. You might as well say its your God now.
Another bullshit, most properties in the history are held by kings, dukes, barons, merchant, emperors, NOT common.
Tribes didn't exist
Peasant farming didn't exist
Most of the first colonists didn't exist
Holy shit, are primitives capitalist to you now?
Capitalism as trading, as ancient merchants.
No it isn't. Merchants don't denote capitalism yet either, they eventually lead to capitalism but began really appearing and seizing power in feudalism.
Classical liberals did not invent capitalism.
They helped define it
You don't need to read no books to learn how to trade.
Maybe if you did read books, you'd learn trade isn't capitalism
Where and how? It's literally a failed revolution that lasted a bunch of weeks.
Its socialist, it just failed to militarize and was trapped by the fact that it was surrounded by capitalist powers that wished them dead. Its why Marx's critique of them was that they didn't go far enough.
The world operates by capitalism, as it has going on.
No, you were told to prove the theory wrong. There has been a continuous drop in the rate of profit like Marx said there would be, how is this observation wrong?
Do they? The bourgeois open shops and trades in China. In fact, they trade with pretty much everyone in the world, where's that communism and socialism repression?
Under you're definition, China isn't even socialist. Also, did you miss the entire fucking cold war?
How? It's literally a social study.
Again, quoting definitions here, "Anthropology is the study of humans and human behavior and societies in the past and present."
The USSR is not the traditional society of Russia, but the people who want to revive the USSR actually do so they can get back the prestige and traditions held by the USSR, nationalism and anti-gay policies included.
And the USSR was socialist
Yes I did.
I'm not going to "no u" again, you have no proof other then basing yourself on definitions no one else holds. Are you a postmodernist?
Anthropological works are meant to be read by people and in turn change the society in accordance to the WISH of the writers.
Only a fucking brainlet could believe this. We might as well never study history ever.
livescience.com/4823-ancient-trade-changed-world.html
Again, as others have said, this isn't proof. Trade isn't capitalism as anybody uses the definition and its only in your head.

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Ian Wilson
Ian Wilson

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Doctor tells you you're sick
"lol no, I'm not sick. Some person I know who works out of the back and of his SUV sells me heroine sometimes told me I'm not. I also think I'm not sick because I'm the sick one. You're just jealous of my observational abilities!"
This is what you sound like

Thomas Cooper
Thomas Cooper

2745853
It absolutely has. So I go to "any market stall" and what do I see? The owner of the market stall has private property rights on that stall, he pays the state to protect those rights with taxes, and his ability to own the stall depends only on his financial well-being and not his membership of a caste. This is an unique state of affairs that was unheard of anywhere until some 200-300 years ago.

Hunter-gatherers held property in common, trade between tribes existed but bartered goods were put into the common pool. There existed no private ownership of property, no employment of one by another, no accumulation of wealth by a single merchant.

Slave societies like those in Mesopotamia, China, Egypt, Rome and Mesoamerica were basically command economies, trade was heavily regulated with bureaucracy and goods obtained through trade would be distributed based on need and social rank. You could only participate in trade if you were born in the merchant caste, most property was owned by the state or patricians. The majority of population had no actual property and had nothing to trade, they worked state fields.

In feudal systems trade could be only carried out by members of guilds, no such thing as free trade existed for peasants or feudals. You owned property based on birthright and gave tithes to your suzerain. Trade by merchants was seen as something of an anomaly for the longest time and there were only small enclaves where they operated more or less freely.

Only when the bourgeoisie class got strong enough that it could directly challenge kings and feudals, only then CAPITALISM began to develop. Ownership of property and trade became no longer tied to caste but only to one's ability to amass capital.

but people gave thing for thing so it was literally the same
Then communism is capitalism because you'd still trade labor vouchers for products. The USSR was capitalist, cavemen were capitalist, apes are capitalist. Trees are capitalist because they exchange carbon dioxide for oxygen. Your definition becomes literally 100% meaningless. It's religious mumbo jumbo.

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Isaiah Brown
Isaiah Brown

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the people who actually sell and buy for a living know less
Listen, I get that you've got a raging boner for this theory of market/economic relativism you're trying really hard to push, and that you'd like very much to assume that capitalism is merely the common, social perception of it (which would be more getting into philosophies of social valuation and the idea of empiricism), but the metering of economics has never emerged as a simple web of singular trade processes. You're patently wrong if your "capitalism" is an understanding that the political and economic phenomena that governed trade in antiquity are equatable to modern financial capital, with trends of meaningful non-reproducibility in factor endowment capital.
work on your understanding
I didn't say that you will never understand. I know you can't really think in English so I'll just say that the phrasing I used means something different in that context. Context matters, sweetie ;D

Brody Carter
Brody Carter

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So your definition of capitalism is objectively meaningless. It's your god, everything and nothing at once. I don't see what discussion could possibly be had here.

Christian Gonzalez
Christian Gonzalez

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As an user said before, you're literally arguing plants are capitalist because they exchange carbon dioxide for oxygen.

Isaiah Wright
Isaiah Wright

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And now the 14 times!

I'm still here, cuckvols.

Joshua Long
Joshua Long

How brave. You want a participation award or something?

Kayden Rogers
Kayden Rogers

Calls us postmodernist when he's literally changing the definition of what society accepts as capitalism to the point O/CO2 exchange from plants is capitalism.
Go out and try to tell any rightist or leftist this. Traditionalists would probably kill you tbh.

Nathaniel Gray
Nathaniel Gray

2745942

wow your idea of capitalism is almost deleuzian lol

Nolan Brooks
Nolan Brooks

I mean, he argued that leftists are bad because they dislike loli porn. If he actually went back to the 1860s that he craves so much they'd hang him within days. These are some impressive fucking brain worms.

Jack Rivera
Jack Rivera

I don't care to, or wish to, ever associate with leftists. Simply put, they're an alien people to me. Something foreign.
But we at leftypol are leftists too aren't we? Like other anons have said, most of us are oldfags, we're the same people that you shitpost with anonymously about anime and video games.

Malaysia
I live there lmao

Gavin Martinez
Gavin Martinez

I just want my post not deleted.
And they would be wrong.
You mean the 1860s with Age of Consent being 14 and actual child prostitutes?

Hot damn.

Landon Morales
Landon Morales

Oldfags would not type like that, oldfags would not bown to censorship and SJWs.

Luis Murphy
Luis Murphy

oldfags would not bown to censorship and SJWs.
We don't like SJWs (which weren't even a thing back then) and if you think censorship never occurred, you don't remember Moot and the mods.

Michael Ross
Michael Ross

Shit i remember the time Moot said that /jp/ was his favorite board because it's a "weaponized /a/" and then /jp/ got raided. Maybe we should get in touch with Moot, I wonder what he's up to now that he's no longer the admin of 4chan.

David Young
David Young

Also for clarification I'm not that guy.

Lucas Taylor
Lucas Taylor

In my experience most oldfags would be considered SJWs in the rare instances they grow political tastes

Connor King
Connor King

I wonder what he's up to now that he's no longer the admin of 4chan

probably enjoying life and growing as a person since he has no obligations to such a shit stain of a website

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