So here we are, days away from the vote on May's deal: it won't pass, but it seems nothing will. If another election happens then what? Labour has to fix this mess? We get a hung parliament with no real outcome? Seems Britain will be forever changed by this, these are the ends of days…
Leftybritpol - It's the end of the world as we know it edition
James Reed
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Jeremiah Ross
Recession inbound. Hard Brexit likely if this deal isn't passed. Election or not, there will be carnage soon, and the left had better be ready to direct the coming popular discontent, in stead of flailing as is happening in France.
Samuel Jenkins
The true meme timeline:
Ian Hernandez
Fucking kill yourself
Noah Evans
Nah the proper banter heuristic is that the EU rejects a second referendum by not allowing an extension.
Carter Foster
How do you know it won't pass though? (excuse me am dumb non-Angloid)
Henry Scott
It wont pass and then there will be a hard brexit then comrade corbyn will be elected el presidente for life and abolish the monarchy
Parker Brown
Because 92 tory MPs have said they'd vote for it, as has the supporting DUP. It is expected at best 6 Labour MPs will support it: May's kinda fucked.
Wyatt Cox
will there be happenings in bonglands on the scale of gelits jaunes?
Levi Harris
bongistanis are rarely politically active about anything.
Michael King
northern ireland had the biggest happening in western europe since may 68 though
Matthew Nguyen
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Leo Cox
careful about that imperialism lad
Charles Thompson
Literally no one cares about your Balkan tier autistic screeching about muh appropriate names
Nolan Nguyen
We don't talk about Northern Ireland.
Aaron Richardson
Nah, that's not how we work. Things are too tribal in this country.
Jason Smith
It's not about 'appropriate names' you tard. NI is not part of Britain and it has very little in common with it.
Brayden Rodriguez
to europeans you are just a bunch of english-speaking wankers who go to the pub and complain about the weather
Eli Evans
It is not a part of Great Britain, but it is a part of Britain (nobody talks about the island when they say just Britain).
Isaiah Watson
what is the difference between GB, britain and british isles?
Bentley Jones
British isles=geographical description of all the islands in the region
Britain= main land, Scotland, England and Wales I think
Great Britain= all of the UK including Northern Ireland
Easton Cox
so are ireland and the faroe islands part of the british islands?
Nolan Johnson
British Empire is a more accurate description.
Adrian Jenkins
Assuming this isn't a meme:
Great Britain is an island, containing England, Wales, and Scotland barring smaller neighbouring islands.
The British Isles are Great Britain, Ireland, and all their surrounding island.
Britain originally meant just Wales and England (see: Roman Province of Britannia) but means more colloquially the country of the UK. Like if you say someone is British they could be from Norn (unless they start singing come out ye black and tans then they'd be Irish).
Sorry lad, but you're wrong.
Jeremiah Jones
So how do we deal with a snap election, Com-lads?
Im kind of worried that if Labour win a snap election, that means they're going to get the blame when Brexit inevitably goes poorly.
What do we think?
Andrew Hernandez
Ireland yes, I think the Faroes are considering their own thing because even Shetland is out there and it has never been a part of any British state.
Jose Nguyen
Is corbyn pro- or anti-eu? newb here
Christopher Smith
neutral
Justin King
? what is that supposed to mean
i thought he was a politician
Carter Hughes
he was against joining the EU, but his current position is a but ambiguous tbh
Brandon Gray
I think they should try and force won and win it to get a brexit through. As Lenin said you can't sit on your arse and wait for perfect conditions to come around because they never will: you have to make the best of what you can.
OG anti-EU (he's a Benninite, he voted out in 1975 which puts him in a small minority), however he has to be practical with his party being so pro-EU. He is currently pushing that we should leave, but opposed May's deal. His precise brexit policy is v vague.
Brody Long
historically he's been publicly anti, he's almost certainly still privately anti but publicly he's walking a fine line where he has to insist he was pro-eu during the referendum, which he was, and now is both pro-brexit and pro-eu in order to assuage the remainers in the party.
Luis King
what did I get wrong?
Brandon Roberts
so what? whether or not Britain is in the EU has nothing to do with his agenda.
Colton Hill
Great Britain is the island with Scotland, Wales, and NI, Britain is used as a collective for stuff in the UK
Matthew Ramirez
*England, Wales, and Scotland FUCK.
Nathaniel Phillips
We can't nationalise the trains in the EU and fuck me if rail nationalisation is not the entire thing that makes him popular.
Cameron Thompson
Before purging them, right?
Liam Perry
Anti, but he keeps an ambiguous facade to try and lead liberals by the nose. Not sure how much good it does.
Wyatt Price
What do we think of the EU?
Cooper Wood
Regardless, Britain should not be a part of it: a continental system cannot work with the UK in it.
Gabriel Lopez
Reminder this is how the 2019 election will play out but with Brexit:
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MANDATORY VIEWING ^
Membership: Will Jeremy answer a direct question?
Seumas Milne: If it's about the EU, I strongly advise you not to ask a direct question.
Membership: Why?
Seumas Milne: It might provoke a direct answer
…
Andrew Neil: When you campaign in the 2016 election, are you going to support my view that we should leave the EU or not, or not? Yes or no? Straight answer.
Jeremy Corbyn: Well, if you ask me for a straight answer, then I shall say that, as far as we can see, looking at it by and large, taking one thing with another in terms of the average of my opinions, then in the final analysis it is probably true to say, that at the end of the day, in general terms, you would probably find that, not to put too fine a point on it, there probably wasn't very much in it one way or the other. As far as one can see, at this stage.
Gavin Peterson
Burger here, so I don't know shit, but it seems like leaving the EU would make it far easier for Corbyn to push anti-austerity measures
Michael Sanchez
quality reference
Jace King
Also man I rewatched A Very British Coup today: fuck me its good.
Jaxon Rodriguez
Nope, the EU is against nationalisation of industries and requires strict fiscal rules of its members.
Nolan Robinson
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Ian Williams
It's late mate give me a rest.
Zachary Robinson
How likely is a hared Brexit?
Angel Flores
May's deal is a pretty hard brexit tbh, I assume you mean a no deal?
Anthony Garcia
Just call for a Border Poll already, you Imperialist cunts
Thomas Johnson
Eat shit bitch
Henry Harris
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Henry Roberts
Cameron Bennett
I want NI reunited with Irealnd so idk what your talking about
Andrew Hill
To be destroyed.
Adam Murphy
Wtf are you talking about. Mays deal keeps EU rules that prevent large scale nationalization.
Aiden Evans
It’s just as much of an agent of capital as the nation states that preceded it.
Lincoln Myers
What would centre labour do if he came out like that?
Juan Young
Most people don't want it though
Swim fein has the right to call it anytime but then don't cuz it's not probable at this time
Leo James
Incorrect
Incorrect
I've heard enough outta you, Imperialist.
Connor Hughes
Don't the republicans have the right to call a referendum under good Friday?
Benjamin Gutierrez
Only the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland has the power to call for a Border Poll
Jayden Campbell
Oh sorry my mistake famalam
Josiah Hill
Based Seumas.
Brief to the media and threaten to split for a few months before ultimately doing nothing.
Juan Sanchez
The COCKshott linked this interestin piece
"The Left must connect with the dynamic energies created by movements of popular sovereignty, radical democracy, and class politics. It must recognise that constrained democracy is historically redundant or conceptually oxymoronic; democracy means the continual and restless striving for collective self-determination. It must recognise not only that the European Union is no friend of democracy, socialism or internationalism, or of labour against capital, but that it is not even serving the purpose of keeping the Right at bay. On the contrary, the Right, having little need of rupture from the European Union to pursue its nationalist political agenda – whether in Hungary or Poland, or Italy – remains inside the state of the Union, largely unperturbed by its bureaucratic apparatus and yet reaping the electoral rewards of Euroscepticism, capitalising on the discontent with neoliberalism. This scenario could well be repeated in the United Kingdom should there be a reversal of the Brexit referendum result."
Thomas Sanders
it's literally not a part of 'Britain' you fucking knob, Britain is a fucking island, which NI isn't on. Geography is not this difficult.
Aiden King
So there are reports that 20-30 Labour MPs might abstain on the deal which MIGHT allow it to pass…
Eli Green
HAHAHA good joke.
Logan Foster
About time someone stood up for the moped gang community tbqh
Leo Russell
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A Pro-Corbyn, Momentum backed candidate just won the Welsh Leadership race.
Aiden Myers
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What is going on…
Carson Perry
With that and a claim that 20-30 Lab MPs may abstain on the vote: it is possible the deal may actually pass…
Camden Sullivan
Somebody reset the "days without Lib Dems betraying their voters" sign.
Alexander Johnson
There is an event unfolding.
Camden Sanders
Mopeds can't handle Tactical Contact™.
Isaac Cox
Interesting thing is that this policy is actually really popular: has like 70% support. Voicing some opposition to it is reasonable, but honestly fuck the cunts.
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Aaron Myers
He was a punk, she did ballet, what more can I say?
Camden Hernandez
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Dylan Reed
So when we going to war with Spain lads?
Looking at my Burn Europe clock the Germans are nearly 40 years behind on physically ruining Europe, the French haven't done it in nearly 200 years, surely its our turn to have a go?
Levi Collins
Kayden Foster
Let's let Spain block extending A50. We can let them have a bash at destroying Europe/EU.
Caleb Howard
Are you guys proud of me yet? Death to anglos btw
Grayson Gomez
Can you post that on somewhere because that girl is hot as hell
Juan Edwards
I agree, what a stunning and brave woman!
Jaxson Anderson
do we /revolutionarydefeatism/ now?
Caleb Morris
So is the deal going to get blocked or will the eternal Blairite fuck everyone in the ass one last time
Hunter Allen
I'd say it's pretty likely it will fail, pretty sure the numbers don't stack up in May's favour at all. Best just waiting for this sort of thing though since there's not much you can do to impact it and politics is a bit of a wildcard nowadays.
Hudson Russell
anyone have the pic with lenin hidden behind a curtain or a big piece of cloth on which is a corbyn motto (or a momentum one)?
Michael Hughes
I know exactly what image you mean (It is a Corbyn for Leader) one, but I don't have it. I know an user does here.
Brayden Smith
HE'S SNEAKY
Angel Thompson
das it mane
Lincoln Jenkins
economist.com
Excellent Adam Curtis interview.
Mr Curtis: They may have been conned about some of the reasons to vote for Brexit, but that vote was still an expression of what they feel, which is a sort of anger. One of the most cowardly things I think is all these nice middle-class people I know who are going to become German citizens. You fucking cowards. If you really think this is wrong, why don’t you stay here and fight for what you think is good? Fuck off. You want to go and live in Germany? It’s a retreat. But they’re somehow so proud of it. It’s part of the pessimistic mood and nobody has managed to explain to me why the middle classes are so pessimistic. It was when someone showed me “The Handmaid’s Tale”…have you seen The Handmaid’s Tale”?
The Economist: I’m afraid not.
Mr Curtis: It’s gruesome. It’s absolute shit. You’ll probably love it because it gives you a dystopia. Somebody told me it’s peak dystopia. You can’t go further than this. It’s torture porn for the baby-boomer generation. Sorry, I’m off the point.
Chase Parker
Christ, Curtis is so consistently based
Nicholas Gonzalez
I think Curtis is right when he says he's a journalist and not a politician (or a theorist for that matter). He makes a lot of great observations and some… unique takes, but it's all very surface level, and that's kind of what I get from his films as well. I think the comparison with Jordan Peterson is very apt. They both talk about these issues that are very real and evoke feelings that resonate with a lot of people, but because they don't have a coherent theory behind these issues their conclusions are either banal or just off. Not to hate on him or anything, I like his films, but he's not the genius that some people think he is.
Also, slightly off topic
This guy has made his entire career by basically copying Marx and writing his own shittier version. This is basically just Marx's theory of alienation, except Marx's theory is way more than just "my job is meaningless". Same thing with the debt book. I was reading the Origin of the Family, long time ago, and there is a passage where he talks about debt in the ancient world, makes a lot of the same points as Graeber, but he actually ties it together with the development of the family, the state, property, class, just a broader materialist analysis that's way more lucid and enlightening than Graeber's own shitty takes. You would think that after over a century of accumulated knowledge someone like Graeber would be able to come up with something better than Engel's talk about Polynesians and consanguinity, but no, our knowledge progresses and our takes keep getting worse.
Jackson Brooks
Lamo, reports the People's Vote lot are trying to kill attempts to take Britain into the EEA. The counterrevolution devours its parents…
Samuel Williams
Remind me again why we make fun of yanks for being thin-skinned about 9/11 when scousers are *still* salty about less than 100 people dying almost 30 years ago?
Aiden Thompson
Because porky, the bill, and the press barons didn't try to say 9/11 was the victims' faults.
Also fuck Maggie innit.
Luis Wood
The scousers didn't deserve it