I really want to read communist literature

But im a distracted fuck with ADHD and i cant take my medication coz of the side effects

can someone else with adhd give me some advice as to how they manage to plowthrough and read books

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I don't have ADHD but I hate trouble reading and concentrating. You can listen to audiobooks or watch YouTube videos explaining these sort of things. Yes, they simplify it a lot, but I think it's easier to understand. There's this amazing 4 part series by this guy on YouTube explaining Marxism. Helped me out a lot, maybe it'll help you too

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Is The Capital on audiobook? I've tried to read it but I'm dumber than a box of rocks

Capital is notoriously long, dry and difficult

I'm not sure, but I do know that there are tons of people out there who talk about many of Marx's writings. As I said, stuff on youtube is pretty helpful because they can sometimes provide visual aid (like in the playlist I linked you). You could also listen to podcasts and stuff like that. However, this whole ideology isn't something that can really be simplified *that* much.

Well then how do I, as a simple prole with no higher education, distinguish the good marxist from the bad marxist besides fee fees and rhetoric?

have you read it? it's much less boring to read than a lot of other modern philosophy.

I’m not sure. I’m still extremely new into this

This sort of intellectual laziness is why the capitalists are in control.

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I think building up discipline in general should be your first priority. Not being able to perform basic labours in society should mean that there is no way you could apply Marx' theory, so why bother trying to read it before doing more fundamental things?

Have you tried online lectures? I don't have Marxist lecturers specifically to recommend but prof. Gregory Sadler is a good source for any philosopher, including German Idealism which id pretty crucial to understanding Marx.

ADHD here

What I do:

1-Download the book I want in my phone or tablet
2-Go to a library or a park (preferably a library so the mauvaise foi washes over you, forcing you to read)
3-Set a number of pages you want to read daily. Book worms usually read more or less 20 pages minimum, so you should probably start there (when I started reading I usually set 25 pages so in 4 days I would have done 100).
4-You will create excuses to fuck off back home before you have completed your 20something pages. Ignore that little voice in your head and actually finish the damn pages. Same when you don't want to go out to read. Think of working out and getting fat by not going to a gym, except insted you get stupider and fascists and libertarians will know more theory than you if you don't catch up.

Repeat those steps until weekend arrives cuz most libraries are closed (at least near my home are).

Make sure to bring your phone/tablet charger.

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Psychiatry is a neoliberal lie. Even if it wasn't, there is literally no reason to base your identity itself on a "disability" because it does NOTHING but put you down.

Why is this such a big meme?

As someone that was diagnosed with ADHD I can tell you, I have comically short attention span. Nonfiguratively or with hyperbole, I'm able to be focused in maybe 1 in 20 explanations or talks in my courses, most of the time I won't even be aware that they were explaining something, and even if they tell me to pay attention I will unvoluntarily daydream of something else or think of something else.

It goes something like this:

Repeat trough the entire day. I can actually count the times during the week that I was able to focus in a class.

Of curse, you gain a lot of introspection and reflection in the hobbies you like, an almost sickening laser focus on thinking in the fields you are actually interested in, but god help you when it's something boring.

/rant

Also to get a more on point experience, think of this post and yours of an offhanded comment you didn't mind much but I've been thinking this trough the conversation between us instead of what you were talking about.

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Your existence seems like suffering, I'm really sorry.

Is not suffering as much as it borderline comical

Hasn't caused me that much trouble since like I said, I have problem with exposition but not so much studying by my own. I'm pretty sure I outdo must people on knowledge because I picked the habit of having to read by my own volition and since I have a laser focus only on things that I personally find fascinating, I know a lot more than the regular nerds and hobbists as well (like a nerd among nerds) in the hobbies and fields of study I'm into.

Also is pretty hard to feel suffering because of it since I always had it.

Is like saying you are sorry for a person that was born without an arm but doesn't really have any strong feelings thowards it because he never had an arm to loose in the first place.

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Books are for people who want to waste time feeling intellectual by reading extremely prolix shit
Like for instance, I can sum up origin of family in one sentence
Because of people discovering agriculture, the men previously tasked to gain food amassed more and more property and through the discovery of materials like bronze and iron some people specialized in becoming smiths, which necessitated exchange between the different specializations, and a body to protect the people's property and against wars, and those 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧intellectuals🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 want you to think the nuclear family has always existed when in fact in certain barbarian societies women played a bigger role and fathers had no say. boom

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Entertain us.

literally "I believe calling people who stand out "dysfunctional" is wrong" but with academic wanking.

Printed is better than reading on a screen. Tablet screens are better than e-ink because e-ink's slow refresh fucks your flow like getting zapped in the face by the Men In Black. Rocking back and forth while reading helps with memory. It's a common technique in religious studies and it really works (but don't do that in public if you live in the US, or somebody will call security and you'll get tazered). Alternatively, chewing gum while reading also helps a bit. Doing both at once is kinda annoying though.

There are comics and books I would call half-comics about all sorts of topics that I find very easy to read. There is Marx para Principiantes by Rius, written in the 70s. I got the English translation Introducing Marx: A Graphic Guide, and found it OK. There's also the newer Introducing Marxism. The success of Rius's little book lead to a a whole bunch of books now called Introducing… A Graphic Guide. There is also Parecomic (about Michael Albert's life and participatory economics).

can you diagnose me with the gay, doctors? I hope to god these are false flags.

Are you on the same boat as PJW regarding depression?

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Imagine trusting in the technocratic expertise of a Focaultian biopower-based hegemonic industry that was literally funded into existence by members of the CIA, that focuses on the reactionary naturalization of mind as purely physically reducible (the very same vulgar materialism that is explicitly bound in intense opposition to the Marxian dialectic), and still thinking you're a radical, all because you want to distance yourself from a right-wing youtube figurehead's views, views which only so happen to vaguely relate to the underlying ontology behind the opposition to psychiatry in the first place.

Imagine my shock when in X years from now, when national geographic or something of the sort prints an issue explaining the 'predominantly immutable bio-psychological origins of racism' or something similar, or when mainstream science becomes more openly racist and accepting of psychometrics, you'll be the first to turn over to fascism (only it will be under a different, politically correct name–neoliberalism), because you were never really a Marxist to begin with.

what does PJW think about depression?

HURR

Which reminds me: according to the first versions of the DSM 'the gay' was a disorder as well.

this

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He, like these blockheads, believes that mental illnesses stem from culture & big business.

It's a conspiracy theory about big pharma, probably. Like… no shit big pharma is bad, but these people are saying that ADHD is only a thing because the CIA made it a thing.

When did Marxism turn into a conspiracy theory about biology? Isn't that why people use the term cultural marxism? Because of conspiracy theories? I thought we were better than that.

You forgot your Porky flag

if you think depression is organic you're a fucking retard.

These are the kind of people who would tell you racism doesn't exist because idpol is used by corporations for profit.

As a person who recognizes himself in and suffers from [trendy biopolitical category no.3] it really bothers me that some comrades don't take my [trendy biopolitical category no.3] diagnosis seriously, as if I could do anything about it! The specialists have spoken, and they are the authority in these issues. The symptoms of my [trendy biopolitical category no.3] sadly makes me unable to reconsider or to actually educate myself on [trendy biopolitical category no.3] because it functions like a vicious circle: my [trendy biopolitical category no.3] both disempowers me and provides a justification for the fact of my disempowerment. Gosh, if you guys only knew how hard it is to live with [trendy biopolitical category no.3].

What do you guys mean that the psychiatry is a mode of population control? Do you guys deny SCIENCE? What are you, fucking fake Marxists? Don't you realize that there are psychiatric universities in every fucking country like there are bourgeois economic institutions in every fucking country thus proving their true scientific status?!

That some people on the left don't take my [trendy biopolitical category no.3] seriously makes me furious and want to pop even more of my prescribed and beneficial medicine!

How dare you imply my complicity with the fate god hath bestowed upon me?

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racism exists capitalism just makes it worse. same with all mental illness.

I don't have ADHD as far as I know but id recommend audio books. You can listen to audio books and play video games at the same time for example, which is a good start for getting in to leftist literature.

Well you sound a lot more reasonable than this guy denying the existence of attention deficit disorders despite the fact they have a noticeable impact on the school system. Single-issue pretend-Marxists are the worse

We are doomed.

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If they said what you just said, I would agree. These things exist biologically. We can be angry at capitalism for so many other things, we don't need to be making shit up.

It's organic, my dude. It has physical effects on the brain. Do your research outside infowars.com

or wait… is every source of information touched by neoliberals in an attempt to spread misinformation? Dude, that's what they think about *us*. It's why no one trusts universities or doctors. They believe they have Marxist agendas and want to destroy the world. I didn't know we had our own version of that…

Now that's some shitty advice right here. Do you play cookie clicker and listen to the same book three times? Better idea: Listen to the audiobook while having the text in front of you.

This is a pain in the ass but my ADD bros know this is the only way we can stomache literature

I said its a good START, not a long term solution. Obviously you should get to a point where you're only listening/reading literature, but its unrealistic to expect someone to start off doing that.
It's really not that crazy of a thing to do as a beginner. Im sorry for not having an ultra galaxy brain like you guys.

No it's not.
No it's not.

ADHD here, reminder to comrades that caffeine treats it.
healthline.com/health/adhd/caffeine#with-medication

I cant respond to all the replies but thank you for all the advice

i find it funny that people are arguing over whether or not ADHD is real. Yes ADHD is real. You can say that it shouldn't be diagnosed as a disorder because there is no such thing objectively as a disorder its just a way to categorise things we dont like as negative BUT i can safely say that while you can argue that ADHD is just a different neurochemical structure to the norm, in my own eyes it is a disorder as i have to live with the negative effects of it and it affects many aspects of my life.

caffeine is hit or miss, worth a shot though

i find it funny that people are arguing over whether or not GAYNESS is real. Yes GAYNESS is real. You can say that it shouldn't be diagnosed as a disorder because there is no such thing objectively as a disorder its just a way to categorise things we dont like as negative BUT i can safely say that while you can argue that GAYNESS is just a different neurochemical structure to the norm, in my own eyes it is a disorder as i have to live with the negative effects of it and it affects many aspects of my life.

you fucking idiot

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I didn't know that preferring homosexuality was the same as having a brain that requires methamphetamine to operate. I wonder what the difference between these two false equivalents is.

Gayness has no inherent negative aspects to your autonomous functioning. Not being able to read for five minutes straight does.

Good worker. Repeat after me: I need my 'medicine'. It is good for me. I can not read. I am hopeless. My fate is beyond my control. I have a brain disorder that can't be fixed.

Now take your 'medicine' before your withdrawal symp… I mean… ADHD symptoms kick back in.

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Do you work in Wall Street?

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dumb anti-intellectual poster. I bet you suffer from auditory and visual hallucinations and are mad the doctor makes the voices go away. Wouldn't be the first schizo Zig Forumsfat

A lot of ADD meds are based on the same chemicals in crystal meth, but if you take it as prescribed it's a wildly different effect if you have ADD. My friend realized he had ADD when he popped some Ritalin at a party and only felt normal.

SORRY, “MOM!” MY BRAIN REQUIRES IT!

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He's not just being a literal brainlet anti-intellectual, I fear it is much worse. I bet it's one of those ultra idpol afflicted cretins that rejects all normativity. News flash: there is such a thing as normal functioning, and some people have the misfortune to be abnormal in all kinds of ways that make their lives self-evidently worse! If you only have one leg, you are not just differently apendaged - you're short a leg.

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Sorry I meant to say "functioning alcoholic." One of the rules in AA is that you don't drink, but you're still an alcoholic. You'll always be an alcoholic.

ADHD doesn't "affect" anything. That's completely incorrect. ADHD is a just set of symptoms that often occur together, and that we've found can be treated with certain methods. There is no further reality to it. It is purely the "being affected" leading into "being treated." Speaking of it as if it somehow precedes these events means you're already turning it into a separate metaphysical entity.
Sure, you can find all kinds of brain patterns and genes that correlate with it, but this doesn't mean anything. It just means that people who have these genes and brain patterns tend to also develop these problems.
There's nothing to be ashamed of in having these problems. They aren't things you can just choose to go away. People should be understanding towards that, learn to appreciate you just as they appreciate all us other idiots in the world. You should be supported in your struggle against them just as everyone else needs to be supported in their petty struggles.
That is, if you want to. You might equally well choose to identify them, or some part of them, as things you like about yourself. Maybe your disjointed thought patterns give you a creative edge that separates you from others. Maybe it's exactly where you find your genius. Speaking of ADHD as a unified condition to be treated is deeply anti-individualist. What matters is the problems you identify and want to get rid of.

why are all the brainlts itt? It's called an amphetamine.

This is literally true though, many alcoholics are compensating for depression, dopamine deficiency, anxiety, etc. Some of it may be caused by society, some of it inherent.

lmao positivism

I'm not a positivist. It's exactly because I value introspective experience that I we need to reject this further existence of ADHD. In it, science is given meaning that is improper to its method.

amphetamines, or amps as they're called on the street, are basically oxygenated meth: it's all the good of meth without all the negative side effects. Keeps you awake, alert, focused, and doesn't rot out your teeth, close up your dopamine receptors, and the risk of developing tolerance is very low. But like most drugs yes you can die if you OD. Therapeutic doages range from 20-30 mg in my experience.

It's possible, look up butt-chugging.

user I got this talk before, street meth isn't safer than a regulation amphetamine

modafinil

The amount of people denying that ADHD is an actual thing is honestly the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen in my life

I bet you guys are probably anti vaxx too ffs

That's right fellow prole, vaxxinate your kuds with mercuryand lead

You retards are aware that mental illness has existed before capitalism and will almost certainly exist afterwards, right?
Im sorry too tell you but believe it or not telling a person with Schizophrenia"its just gapitalsm :DDD" isn't going to help.
Mental illness deniers kys, how can you deny mental illness when your all this autistic?

I've been on antidepressants for years and im still a communist so the mind control isn't working very well apparently

vaccines are literally pseudoscience and snake oil

ADHD being real doesn't necessarily mean every diagnosis of ADHD is valid, or that every apparent "effect" of ADHD is inextricably tied to the disease itself or affects everyone equally. Many people with diagnosed ADHD can read for hours on end.

I think there's a point to be made that the institutions that regulate all this stuff can't be blindly trusted. But on the other hand, taking drugs to improve a perceived lack should be normal and even encouraged. The problem isn't the drug taking or the perceived lack themselves, but the underlying understanding and the wider context.

Yikes

So demonstrate me the opposite.

What is it your arguing exactly? That they just don't work? Or is there more?

Stop feeding them, they're most likely trolls waiting to put us in the screenshot of "xD look how triggered leftypol gets"

Why?

Do you have Polio or Measles? Have you ever met anyone who does?

I know I definitely have ADHD because whenever I take my medication I don’t get high off my face

I take vyvanse. People with ADHD have less dopamine receptors so if I was a normal person I’d be getting real fucking high

This is something people forget. Im on antidepressants that some people use recreationally, but they have pretty much zero intoxicating effect on me. Same deal with a lot of ADHD pills.

Someone asked for my Xanax once and I had no idea what he was on about. People get high off that?

The paradigm of talking about psychological impediments to personal development as "diseases" and "health problems" should be questioned. Inserting this air of clinical science into the topic is highly ideological thing to do. It stems from the way industrial society is forced to deal with such questions. A person who is unable to come to work has to be ascribed an objective cause for this in order to please the bureaucracy that decides whether it is legitimate. Internal struggle is hard to objectify, certainly after the death of God, and we have forced it into a framework of science to try to give it concreteness nonetheless.

Freud initially thought he was uncovering a science when he founded psychoanalysis, and in a way he did, although it is a science in a very different sense from what we're used to. It is certainly true that understanding the psyche requires a great deal of dedicated study, critical thought, and systematized thinking. Psychoanalysis isn't a hard science, however, it cannot be falsified or replicated. It is much more like philosophy or literature, one of the humanities, a practice that requires broad intellectual sophistication.
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Socialist society won't be able to immediately overcome the need to objectify internal struggle, so the best we can do is be critical of the dynamic. One idea I've played around with is to declare the whole of society insane and in need of permanent communal treatment, on a voluntary basis of course. This helps break the illusion that there are some mentally healthy and some mentally disturbed people. It begs all of us to confront our own disturbances, and treat each other with a modicum of solidarity in this confrontation. We could make therapy sessions ubiquitous in society, a moment of self-criticism like practiced by Maoists, but focused on meeting out personal goals and dealing with our self-identified demons.

I think you should be thrown in a mental asylum.

Why are Freudposters always the best posters?

The same to you comrade. :)

I've started doing this and it's made my life so much better

Why though?

because we read

How the fuck did a thread derail so hard? Sorry OP.

I disagree, I'm not dead.

Agreed. There's not a lot in psychology and biology that doesn't have to do with evolution. Bipolar disorder developed to help women sleep through winter and conserve energy for procreation; autism developed to hoard resources and examine land layouts; ADHD developed to help us come up with new ideas because we got bored easily.

What do you mean, why? To improve your condition. Popping pills, prescription or not, should be seen as just as normal as smoking or drinking. Without these meds, people could seriously affected. We treat physical impairments so why not mental ones? Sure we're not gonna die if we stop taking them, but we become less effective. You could just as well tell a parapalegic to ditch the wheelchairs and just crawl everywhere, but the wheelchair makes him more effective.

People take Xanax to come down off drugs, in my experience.

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Take stimulants.
I have ADHD too, but I was able to read enough to get a philosophy degree and read Capital on my own time in the same period with copious amounts of caffeine and the occasional adderall.
I also have bipolar though, so you probably have different superpowers as me, and you might have to do something different.
I'd recommend reading shorter and easier Marx before jumping into capital if you know it's something you're going to struggle with. Take lots of notes, and reread each parapgraph if you find you got distracted and don't know what you read.

What the fuck do you think this whole thread has been about? The dude can't even sit down and read for five minutes straight, that' seems like a rather concrete problem in need of a solution.

This vulgar and reductionist materialism is not worthy of this board, you absolute faggots. Read Marx, for crying out loud: does he reduce everything to physical and biological origins or does he see them in dialectic with history and the current social? What makes humanity unique is exactly its unnaturality, its historical being, transformation of himself and of nature through work, his social networks as his own essenceless essence.

You faggots are immersed in the dominant bourgeois approach to materialism without realizing not just how unmarxist it is, but how it pacifies and deflates us.

I can't believe that we are back to having the arguments of beginning of the 20th century.

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