Have you ever felt like you were brainwashed or convinced by right wing propaganda?

Have you ever felt like you were brainwashed or convinced by right wing propaganda?
All my closest friends are right wing and after hanging out with them for so long I started to feel like their "arguments" were getting in my head. I never really side with them, but I find myself disagreeing with comrades over social issues and similar stuff more than I would want to.
The worst thing about it is that I actually research the topic and I realize all the things I believed were absolute bullshit. Any advice on how to always think critically and to don't swallow fake news? Should I even bother discussing politics with right wing people?

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Get new friends. These guys would turn you in if fascism ramped up in your country.

What do they say that's particularly convincing to you?

Right-wingers act with spooks, lies and fear. Know your facts and arguments and it is easy to deal with them

Well done for thinking for yourself.

Care to go into detail about what you thought was right, until you looked into them?

Only really shit like red pill bullshit, but thats not due to actually being convinces so much as it is due to my underlying psychological issues. For that reason I try to avoid it entirely.
Very very very occasionally racist shit about black people (im european), but then I remember Sankara and that its just confirmation bias. still wouldnt data a black girl though but thats because my children will have it tough enough as it is if they are anything like me and the last thing I want for them is to be pushed into the destructive black subculture or to be seen as black in our societyalso they arent very pretty tbh

I've yet had to have any of my friends ever convince me on something political or ideological. One is completely apolitical, the other is a member of the "xenophobia and right wing conspiracies but for smart people" party. The latter has a lot of strong opinions that are never fundamentally based in much else than "fucking liberals" or other right wing weakshit i see on the internet all the time. I am usually the one who convinces people as long as I keep it abstract and dont point to concrete actors (at which point they shut down and feel attacked because their perceived ingroup for targeted).

literally this.
just read some fucking books. use the internet and search shit.
it's easy to be right wing if you're not aware of all the facts out there

relatable as fuck

thanks

No matter how well-read you are, you can still be vulnerable to emotional appeals. And that is how the right-wing functions, pleading and shaming you endlessly until you get brainfucked and cave in. Enter any internet political community other than this one and you get bombarded by redpills about how women are whores and roman statues are epic etc. I'll admit that sometimes the larpy shit has an effect on me, but in most cases the speaker will soon slip into unabashed capitalist apologism and I immediately shake it off. The best course of action is to simply cut yourself off from chan-related political places and stop discussing politics with right-wing friends. There's nothing to be gained there.


Proving only that the right wing is emotional and goes for the simplest explanation most conductive to recreational outrage.

feelings don’t care about your socioeconomic reasoning facts

I've found people getting legitimately offended at the idea that social structures determine you without you even being aware of them.

okay I'll admit that's true. but the Flynn effect is heavily underplayed in politics because noone wants to admit to themselves that they were born dumb. not much to be done about that.

goes for the left too. PSA avoid the platypus affiliated society my once-leftist friend joined and now he’s functionally a fukuyamaist copy pasting screeds to me about how the bourgeoisie are the primary contradiction in capitalism and must be in control to liberate the masses

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have this friend

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i’m referring to “last man” era fukuyama and its bludgeoning of hegel by way of kojeve

he also said some shit about how the existing left must be destroyed by his wimpy little reading group

it’s sad

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Fukuyama was referring to social democracy in that article, the title is just click bait.

BASED FUKUYAMA CONVERTED TO SOCDEM GANG

SOCDEM IS THE END OF HISTORY

Your economics is a reaction to revolution.

Keynes wrote the General Theory not because he was scared of bolsheviks but because he was pissed off at classical economics.

btfo

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mere-exposure_effect

This is the fundamental basis for advertising and other forms of propaganda. It's also why you should constantly subtly insert leftist analysis and talking points into everyday life, just not overtly or preachy enough to be annoying.

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Oh yeah, I'm sure Otto Von Bismark was very influenced by Keynes

Bismarck wasn't socdem.

Social democrats use Keynes for economic theory this is undeniable.

The welfare state is only a means of suppressing revolution and riots. It is only enforced when deemed necessary by the ruling class. You can see right now that after the fall of the USSR neoliberalism took off.

I was literally a Zig Forumsyp that believed all the Muh joos shit and Superior Aryan race stuff for like 3 years so yeah

But neoliberalism literally started even before the USSR imploded. Thatcher and Reagan took office at a time when the USSR was still going.

Sure, after all the anticommunist propaganda had taken roots in all of the western world.

not to mention the global south which the virgin succdem relies on because he’s poisoned by commodity fetishism and doesn’t want to give up muh lavish lifestyle

based. also the reason why you should avoid ads and tracker as best as possible. It's funny how most people I've met genuinely believe they can see through propaganda and are immune to advertising. Like nigga, we can't all be immune, why else would porky pay trillions on that shit. "le rational" people are the most guilty of this, ironically.

ever heard of internal monologue?

you say that like Scandinavia is automatically some kind of utopia

How the fuck does that even work lmao, I've actually listened to a bunch of platypus podcasts on occasion and they always came off as bizarro leftcoms to me but idk much about them.

Kill yourself falseflagging retard.

What the fuck are you talking about you dumb anarkiddie

their stated goal is to “destroy the left” (???? unclear) as they believe it is unable to accomplish anything. their analysis of dialectics is weak and they believe that the bourgeoisie are the “primary contradiction” in capitalism who will lead the proletariat in their liberation or some shit. they think that capitalism is simply incomplete and the apotheosis of the bourgeoisie will lead to the completion of “””socialism””” (ie literal fukuyamaism)

further, if not explicitly zionist, they do not believe in anti-zionism and think that palestineans must be integrated lol. notably analysis of imperialism is conspiciously absent from their “politics” and what is present is garbage

they read adorno yet somehow managed to re-invent strausserism & fukuyamaism from a synthesis of crude kojevean hegelianism and misreadings of the frankfurt school & they attempt to pass this off as “TRUE marxism” while denigrating the LTV as primary contradiction.

apologies for rantpost. their podcast or whatever is probably fine but they are batshit under the surface. it’s like a ufo abducted my friend and he came back a brainwashed spart. i’m really sad

tl;dr it’s like a theory book club for WELL ACKTCHUALLY people

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Because whenever you actually research shitty right-wing takes on history, economics, sociology, biology etc. it turns out they're dead wrong. See literally ANYTHING they claim about the USSR.

I think he means the things he was convinced to believe by right-wing echo chambers/propaganda.

stay noided Zig Forums. this is why you could never snowball from Trump's success.

but that's EXACTLY what I implied
did you even read my post, anarkiddie?

i'm mexican and i don't know if it's my personal tastes or media being influenced mostly by white people showing themselves as beautiful but i definitely find "anglo" features to be extremely attractive in girls. i also find asian and girls from my own country fucking hot so idk, however i wonder if a case could be made that white superiority comes from the fact that perhaps white people are indeed the most attractive in a subconcious level we can't understand, and it lends to people developing racist prejudices. Just think about it, some racists think a black person is dumb solely because of his facial features, is something we think but never speak. I genuinely believe most racism is just people developing hatred towards people they find ugly and putting themselves on a pedestal.

Or, maybe i was brainwashed by all of that nazi propaganda with perfect looking girls. idk

this is obviously the case.
just look at India, even in an entire population of mostly brown people their caste system is clearly based on who has the lightest skin.
my personal theory? it's the eyes. having lighter eyes makes it easier to read emotions so is thus more attractive, just like other things that make emotions easier to read.
once we developed a class society people with lighter traits were just naturally given priority.

That's what he said dipshit

I actually had a discussion with my mother, for some reason they are airing turkish series(telenovelas) here in México ever since one of them made it big here, so everyone is hoping to make that next big hit, so obviously every single fucking channel has them. She said how turkish people must be more beautiful for how they look, i pointed out in media in general they just choose attractive people. She agreed but then went on to rant about how their most beautiful people are still more beautiful than the most beautiful actors here, and said the only good looking mexican actress is one with french origins. My mom is also the same person that is mad the Prince Harris married a black girl so i don't give a fuck whatever she says(or the royal family for that matter).

This definitely happens with language too, british accents make people sound educated, sensible and smart. On the other hand, when i hear someone speaking in ghetto i immediatly think of them as simple, naive or dumb, and i hate it.

have you ever thought that with the rigidity of class in late stage neoliberal capitalist society, being a descendent of a slave or even someone who grew up in 1950's segregated america might mean you have less opportunity today, and therefore will have to resort to crimes for financial gains, drug use to combat alienation, and wont have as good of an education as say a white dude with blonde eyes who didn't come from a lineage of slaves?

thinking that blacks have lower Autism Levels because "their skin pigment" when its 100% to do with nurture and the lack of nepotistic familial wealth and social links passed down just makes you a fucking retard.

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What about a blond hair blue eyes dude that do come from a lineage of slaves i.e. the slavs?

not to say that white dudes have it easy under capitalism either. but obviously your family is 100% everything in a capitalist society so as a whole whites tend to have it easier than blacks on the class and opportunity/how they deal with alienation luck scale

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the slavs became a space faring super power thanks to their attempt at communism.

even tho they weren't imperialists exploiting 3rd world labor and stealing shit like european nations/murrica

Aside from generational wealth, which is the hardest concept for a race realist to grasp(and even then, if they were to admit it, they would deny anything your ancestors lived through should affect the way you live now), lead poisoning is another big thing. Also i feel in the future we will find subconcious ways in which humans recognize each other can affect people's behaviour/determination. I remember a study that showed female chess players were better when told they were playing against girls, and when against men they showed far less ability, even though the roles were reversed and were actually playing with men.

So it means lineage of being slavs means jackshit, correct?

Germans, celts were all slaves to the romans too, all got their labor exploited.

Look at what they are today.

That chess part was wrong, there was a recent study that shows women surpassing expectations when playing against men, sorry 'bout that.

literal segregation was a thing in america as little as 50 fucking years ago. and slavery is super recent too.

and like i said, you can amass a shitload of wealth if you are imperialist. has nothing to do with the color of your skin

the fact that you are trying to deny class and generational wealth is hilarious. these are facts. if your great grandma and great grandpa were literal fucking slaves, and your parents were around in the times of segregation where they toiled harder for less and also had this lack of opportunity, chances are you going to live a bumfuck life too. why the fuck do you think all the ghettos are filled with black people? do you seriously think its just because they are black and because of their skin color they are stupider and "are there by gods hand due to their nature"

how fucking retarded can you possibly be to completely ignore dialectics

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high Autism Level jews and asians disprove you, keep on reaching you low Autism Level nigger

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A jew or a Jap can be an absolute dumb fuck personally but still live a more or less average life because of the wealth accumulation of his parents

Simultaneously a black individual who is clever can still live in squalor because he started with nothing

"If tomorrow you knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that all the cognitive differences between races were 100 percent genetic in origin, nothing of any significance should change. The knowledge would give you no reason to treat individuals differently than if ethnic differences were 100 percent environmental"

what the fuck are you talking about? israel is rich because an imperialist power like britain pumped zillions into it. jews have always been bankers because they weren't allowed to do other wage labor. they've always been bourgouise shits.
china is well off because of its ripping away of imperialism thanks to mao and socialist policy, south koreans are rich because america pumped zillions into them during the cold war to prove capitalism is great, same with japan after they lost the war.

how fucking stupid do you have to be to think that race has anything to do with your prosperity? India is a shithole because its a dumping ground for colonialism and western exploitation as little as 50 years ago. brown arabs in saudi arabia are rich because america and imperialist nations dump zillions into it.

Race has nothing to do with this shit, you have to look at the material conditions. To think brown people live in ghettos and are poor in america just because they are brown and have monkey brains completely ignores the fact that class is rigid and becomes more and more so as late stage capitalism contradicts itself and decays over time. They came here on boats as slaves a very short time ago, segregation was a thing up until your dads time. Use your fucking brain.

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high Autism Level immigrants build lives for themselves and create generational wealth, low Autism Level blacks don't accomplish shit because of their low Autism Level, it is not very difficult to understand

no that is incorrect you'd want to exile the entirety of the lesser races and ensure they don't come within 50 kilometers of your nation

yawwwwn

do you even know what that word means? its obvious you are either 13 years old or you have the brain power of an actual chimpanzee.

they affect barely anything scientifically. it's a non-variable

wrong

Niggers really do have smaller brains, smaller brains dumber it is not difficult to understand

like i said, you arent even remotely looking at the big picture. you are just a fucking retard

Chinese are white?

lol okay

lol you dont even know what the word material means, you shouldnt be saying to anyone that they have small brains

nigger nigger chicken dinner

Brain size is affected by climate, or so would most studies tell you. However they are not a perfect predictor of intelligence as a whole, take the inuit, they show an average Autism Level but have excellent memory, probably affected by the environment they developed in. Intelligence is weird.

blacks in america outnumber the chinese population a zillion to 1. 2nd of all chinese people were never fucking slaves here, i know you think denying generational wealth and the material/socioeconomic conditions of blacks as little as 50 years ago is witty or someshit but you are just a stupid faggot if you are saying "the 50 chinese people who came here on boats made it, meanwhile everytime you look in a ghetto they are all black. its gotta be monkey brains"

shit i didn't know this board corrected that word to autism level, that's neat

Do not believe in anything until you can reduce into a materialist framework

no shit

Chinese were used as slaves when building the trans American railroads

why are brown qataris and saudis rich while brown indians are poor.

Saudis and Qataris are rich through legal fictions and being willing puppets for the usa

you understand arabs are not involved in the day to day operations of the oil pumping and never were right

^^forgot flag

so brain size doesn't impact intelligence

the chinese were never slaves in america. they got paid shit wages just like white coal workers and railroad workers did. but they don't share the same history as being actual slaves as black americans. also the chinese here just like the white workers who got paid shit back then ended up becoming a part of the modern middle class. black people endured real ass "you have absolutely nothing and the bourgouise hate you cause you are a nigger" bullshit as little as 50 years ago, thats why they fill ghettos while only some are middle class. its based on generational wealth and their material conditions, any black person alive as little as 50 years ago had jack shit and its not because "they didn't feel like getting rich lol they are too stupid".

seriously to pretend like generational wealth and class does not exist just makes you an idiot. theres no way you can possibly deny those arent things

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it does

My point was that it didn't give them ultimate mental capacities just because they lived in arid, cold regions, but that it affects intelligence, just not in the way a racist would hope. Bigger eyes and brains are indeed a characteristic of people in these regions.

If you want to read some interesting ways to measure intelligence look at this article from the wiki for Speculative Evolution, is in a wiki for mostly fictional work but the EQ part is pretty interesting.

speculativeevolution.wikia.com/wiki/Intelligence
forgot to link it

really, want to share some actual data?

black people don't have generational wealth because they are too low Autism Level to build it, and yes the Chinese were enslaved

inuit are renown for their memories, and they certainly look super human intellectually when compared to populations who evolved closer along the equator

ah so you are saying its their material conditions that made them rich? an imperialist power that makes its $$$ by exploitation of third world labor through violence is why they have a lot of money and nice fancy buildings. its their oil. so since its their material conditions that make them rich and prosperous. meanwhile a poor country like india (even tho they are brown and have high Autism Levels according to your bs) is one giant shithole ghetto.

hmmm, maybe thats why crime statitstics for black americans are a thing, because of their material conditions playing a substantial role? not necessarily their race. just like how it has nothing to do with race as to why indians are poor but qataris live in a first world country.

do you understand/see what im saying

race is a material condition in of itself do you understand what i am saying

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_size#/media/File:Brain_Size_Map.png

The size might be solely for the larger visual memory. The elephant fish has the largest brain to body ratio, but it could be accounted for 1)is easier to retain a bigger brain when animals become smaller, 2)it could be attributed to the large space that electroreceptive communication takes for them. They do seem intelligent, though, they are playful.

stop comparing fucking a handful of chinese dudes who came here to work on railroads with 12% of the entire US population (the blacks). Blacks literally were not allowed to own property up until VERY recently. those chinese dudes were. to think the story of the american chinaman and the negro is exactly the same and its simply the chinamans gumption that makes it so everytime you look at a ghetto its not filled with chinese but blacks is so fucking ridiculously stupid. as ive said class is rigid. generational wealth is a thing. your material conditions play a role in what you are today in a capitalist society. blacks came here as slaves in a much larger number than the chinese did. that had a powerful effect on their generational wealth and class as a whole, especially in a country where the bourgouise hate black people but can tolerant white faces with slanted eyes. as little as 50 years ago being black in america meant you had little to no real opportunity, no matter how much "gumption" you have.

raw brain size and adjusted brain size for body mass are both a good rough indicator for intelligence, check out elephants and new Caledonian crows respectively

>en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_size#/media/File:Brain_Size_Map.png

you are an idiot who refuses to look at the big picture let alone understand even the fucking basics of dialectical materialism and class. fuckoff.

British accents sounds fucking retarded. Yorkshire sounds like a pompous little bitch, Cockney is bearly understandable, and welsh is okay I guess.
Slovak and Scottish accents I like though.

Pacific islanders have a similar intelligence quotient to innuits.

sometimes it does. often it does.

correlating brain size with intelligence isn't the same as say correlating astrological signs with intelligence. and so on

fuck you zizek pizza shit

in this case it doesn't because further research prove otherwise a la flynn effect

Ok, who's shitting on who here? What does Zizek have to do with this?

Anyway, the main point everyone is missing is that for most part, the vast majority of people regardless of race who are born into poverty and live in poverty will die in poverty. Only about 4% will ever make it to six figures. Literally no matter how hard you work, the chances of you ever making it out or your children making it out are extremely slim. pewtrusts.org/~/media/assets/2013/11/01/movingonuppdf.pdf
Even by some miracle you get out, you'll immediately put in competition with those who are also trying to make those six figures. A good chunk of the population will still remain in poverty till they die, a larger portion will make less then six figures till they die, those who make six figures will be at greater risk of slipping beneath six figures as a greater amount of time goes on for the rest of their lives, and those who own large assets, businesses, land, and millions in total wealth will most likely never lose these things with them at best simply exchanging their position with someone else temporarily, which doesn't fix the problem of the vast number of people having to make far less to have the system worse.

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i was just kidding, he said "and so on", like sniffing man extraordinaire zizek

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