what I'm saying is you're a retard for thinking the two are diametrically opposed. if material conditions were literally the ONLY thing effecting class consciousness, we'd have had a revolution 10 fucking years ago.
but we didn't. why? because people aren't class conscious. to achieve real change we need a proper deconstruction of the ontological subject and how it interacts with its own (and other peoples) perceptions, which is what philosophers like Zizek and their predecessors are trying to do.
empirically, relying on material conditions to dictate everything is a pipe dream. we need to be asking ourselves important questions about our dialectical progression throughout the course of history. shit like why Haiti had a slave revolution but America had a civil war. or why France officially abolish religious Monarchy but England still hasn't. if you think this shit doesn't matter you're a fucking retard.
and if you're still not convinced, ask yourself what is the purpose of fighting idpol on the left then at all, if material conditions are the dictators of everything. if you think even THAT doesn't matter then you are severely, sorely misguided.
Zizek defends Ilyenkov's dialectical materialism
Ilynekov seems to parallel Greek philosophy in very odd ways, from the Stoic (and possibly Heraclitean) idea of ekpyrosis, to the universe coming together through love and coming apart by strife in endless cycles, like Empedocles.
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epic strawman. hope to see it in your next angry tweet.
I was wondering why you typed like you were still in school.
Holy fuck y'all are retarded. Nice lack of reading comprehension. Materialism is basically that there isn't some ephemeral world beyond this material one - and thus we should focus on actual historical and contemporary events rather then jacking ourselfs off with ahistorical musings of upper class philosophers. I made no comments about "ideas are bad" or anything of the sort. What I was saying is that Ilyenkov is literally an idealist of the sort that Marx fought against, and just because he was a soviet and you guys want to think you're smart cause Zizek the contradictory sniff man said he was cool.
Here's what Ilyenkov believes:
He literally believes that ideas take on their own reality and are, I quote," a necessary part of the development of the entire reality". Which means he believes fucking abstract ideas exist in nature on their own, without any linkage to historical or social relations which they develop out of. This is in clear contradiction to Marx's materialism. To quote Marx once again to show how Marx is clearly against this nonsense:
Just like there's no absolute spirit guiding the progression of mankind, there are also no ahistorical ideas floating in the universe that have a life of their own.
Anal Water did a podcast about this:
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Don't post this guy on here. He's a literal slimeball who used to pimp his Hegelian bullshit via manipulation tactics on this board for months. He deserves to be forgotten ASAP.
Where does he defend it?