Misandry on the Left

Grow a thicker skin. Being upset about men having a penis isn't the worst liberals have up their sleeves. Also, liberals aren't leftists, regardless of their chosen pronouns.

You tell them to shut the fuck up, and if they keep talking you purge them.

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you just call them liberals
In fact my distaste for these people is what brought me to the actual left.

This is one thing that leftypol needs to understand, these people already have an impenetrable world view, if they claim to be socialists it is only because they are just accumulating more identities for themselves. SJWs can not be cured, converted, or reasoned with. You are better off trying to 'redpill' a fascist, many fascists dont actually understand these non mainstream ideas fully and a good number of self proclaimed fascists can be converted by actually clearing up what these things mean and debunking red scare propoganda, but not a single active liberal is saveable because they are not driven to that ideology out of necessity as many of the 'alt-right' are, but are full fledged practitioners who choose to embrace it instead of simply trying to ignore it like a moderate/centrist would.

It is my hope that people come to realize the faux-left is far more distant from the left than even the biggest megahitler could ever be.

1) They’re specifically using the term “fetishize” to seem more “socialist” when they have no clue what it means in the Marxist context
2) As far as I can tell, the only thing “wrong” happening here is that men are being attracted to something, as if men’s attraction by itself degrades something.

I don't know what your first argument is supposed to mean, i can agree on that.

I didn't mean people actually kill and hate themselves because they are straight/white/male, but that it's a joke among left circles that wish to appear "woke".

I am an "SJW", but also a leftist, what purpose is your pessimism serving? You just have to embolden class identity amongst the proletariat, not tell them to fuck themselves, you have to remember that a lot of these people are still very young, they need direction, not antagonism.

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I have a pretty thick skin, but I reserve the right to vent about shit that irritates me anonymously on the internet.

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feel like you projected this up given 'revolutionary women' is a reasonably common fetish category, just like 'business women', 'police women' and so on. unless porn sites are also guilty of misusing the term.
my interpretation (based on the fact they're aware it's being fetishised and haven't yet been caught hacking people's webcams) is that the joke only works if you're aware of the context that men post such images in a sexualised context irrelevant to the political spaces in which they're shared. (i.e. sharing the image as 'tfw no revolutionary gf' rather than 'blahblahblah fighting in blahblahblah blah blah gun type blah blah politics'

There is no value to any SJW ideology because the only things it would have to deal with are thought crimes, With equal economic status no oppression or exploitation can occur. This is problem solved. Concerning yourself with peoples thoughts and opinions is not in any way leftist.

People colloquially use the term “fetish” to essentially refer to your kink. “Fetishize” and “fetishism” are terms use primarily in a Marxist concept to describe the tendency to ascribe social power and the fruits of human activity to something outside of human action.

Secondly, there’s nothing wrong with wanting a revolutionary girlfriend if that’s your thing. Women get all thirsty some men and you don’t get this uproar of “noooooooo, you’re fetisinging X-type of men and that’s wrong!” It’s only when men get boners that shit becomes problematic.

Are you talking about an hypothetical society without class, or that socialist countries are completely devoid of discrimination of any kind?

Fucking why?

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I don't really think this is true. Or, rather, most men who feel that way are driven to the right, because most people treat politics more in terms of what feels to be ethically right rather than true, so it never ends up affecting them directly.

Yes, you are correct, there can be no exploitation in socialism, that's whyI see leftism as the way to solve SJW issues, you are being apathetic to the cause altogether, which doesn't help matters. It's important to educate people, not mock them if you want them to listen to you.

yeah I'm sure your prepared infodump will convert niggerstomper88

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i want to dismantle the cis-heteronormative patriarchy.

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I agree that men expressing any sort of sexual arousal or fetishization on women is seen as some sort of taboo in left spaces, though have you ever been in porn/hentai communities?, they have some fucked up shit there, just saying.

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The marxist use is highly contextual. It certainly isn't the most common and default use, even in internet-left circles. If you say fetish, people are either going to think of the sex thing, An excessive and irrational devotion or commitment to a particular thing. or an inanimate object worshipped for its supposed magical powers or because it is considered to be inhabited by a spirit.
Which might go some way to explaining why commodity fetishism is prefaced commodity.
It is however tedious and uninteresting to read people posting about it in leftist forums. Women don't post like that as much for social reasons that i'm not really interested in getting into and probably don't really understand anyway.

but dismantling the image further, even discarding the off-topic nature of that kind of discussion, it only applies to 'fake woke' leftist men. if you've already adopted the standard Zig Forums approach, you're going to be anti-idpol demonized men anyway, so the image isn't talking about 'us'

Well, they're fetish porn communities, so I would think so. I don't think men are going to turn socialist political meetings into /d/ if they're allowed to express anything sexual or potentially fetishizing.

It's nearly impossible to convince someone directly through an argument, but it is possible to make them reconsider their views. In that sense, I do think the other guy is correct, in that fascists are willing to venture beyond the status quo, while identitarians are conforming to it in both obvious and subtle ways. I'd only question whether "socialist" is a stable political view or yet another contrarian identity for niggerstomper88 to adopt. It could be either.

men deserved to be chained up and chastised

example: the baboon nazi poster.

ヤイクス！

A society with out class is the goal of socialism. The solution to any problem is to try socialism harder.

Are just unnecessary subcategorization of the same issue which would resolve itself naturally under socialism. By making them anything more you are creating separate problems that do not actually exists as separate problems and only serve to hinder their ultimate resolution. Further, by inventing a new class of problem you are opening up all sorts of undermining forces such as conflict between champions of one form of the oppressed or another, or people simply spending their energy making things up.

The problem with 'SJW issues' is there is no way to tease out a clear picture of things and it gives the right more ammunition by fighting back with their own idpol. People are not equal, it says so right in the communist mantra "from each according to their ability". This doesnt matter to socialism, everyone is assessed and given a task they can do to help out the group.
On one hand you will have the SJW, trying to claim racism and discrimination, on the other hand you will have genocidal ethnic cleansers arguing that these tests prove we should just kill all whatever. And where is the truth? Look at a person and quantify how much of it is societal oppression or privileged and how much of it is genetic? You cant do it, why would you even want to? The only measure of these SJW 'issues' is in things like wealth inequality which wont happen under socialism, or disproportionate representation of races or sexes in certain fields which certainly will.

Is baboonposter mentally ill? He's been doing this everyday for what, a year now?

I too have watched a lot of femdom porn

The problem is too many thirsty idiots still think that white knighting will get them laid. So they attack other men based on frivolous non-issues and try to falsely paint everyone else as muh-soggy-knees purely to put themselves on a high horse. In some extreme cases their tone deaf virtue signalling becomes an obsession for them.

we hunted the mammoth is a really good example of this. It's admin is a fat ugly dude.

wehuntedthemammoth.com/

Read some of this shit ( Make sure you have adblocker on don't give him money ) while keeping pic related in mind. This is the guy who wrote it.

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Most people just use the term fetish, not fetishism. A person “has a fetish” in colloquial parlance, they don’t “fetishize” things, that’s an academic usage of the term.

Also, did I give the impression that I thought I was the guy in the pic? Because that was unintended. I know I’m not that guy, I felt more irritated just in general than personally attacked. Like, you have these flagellant orbiters who tiptoe around on pins and needles and even they just constantly get shit on.

I agree, just saying for some reason society seems to mold us into having weirder sexual thoughts than women. I know a lot, i masturbate every single day to huge_monster_cock, thick_thighs, hypno, raceplay.

They don't care if chad is sexually aggressive or has toxic masculinity or is a misogynist. They don't have blanket hatred for men. They hate all sub 8 men. If you're not a chad you're subhuman and not worthy of life. The sexual free market needs to be regulated via a reinstitution of strict monogamy.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

His posting style has changed, even if his views don't seem to have changed. He's been engaging more with the board recently at least. I don't know if that portends any significant change, but it does imply some change of thought. I can't say that for someone like that Satan Nazi girl we had a while back.

Was/is white knighting even a thing?, i definitely did it when i was in highschool and lifted girls on a pedestal in hopes of fucking, but it seems most of what people call white knighting is just feminist men. If they think they will get laid by defending women or not doesn't seem like an important part.

We should find a way to get rid of organic bodies entirely. It would solve so many problems.

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I came here two months ago and if by engaging you mean the 2 posts he did saying he was basically edgy as fuck and nationalist but wanting to get into communism, is a start.

Psychfag here.

I can say misogyny is far more of a problem on the left, and there's a logical reason why.

You do realize that the same insecurities which cause a dudebro to become a "woke ghetto poet" are the same insecurities which cause him to see women as the devil incarnate, right? Of course the same guy writing rhymes about pig brutality and why riots are cool is also going to belittle women in his lyrics because he needs to feel some degree of social control. Insecure men think women control them (through sex, basic human desire for company) unless they exercise dominance over the women. And by control I mean anything which would deny a woman her agency including white knighting, telling a woman not to behave in 'immodest' ways, etc. If he doesn't have power over her in some manner, he assumes she secretly has power over him; lording over bitches means you're a real man and not a pussy.

Please leave.

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so kill all non-chads got it.

or this

That's more information about himself than before. Prior, and for a very long time, it was always short posts with farewells to apes.

SJWs don't really want "equality", they want the type of liberty we would have under socialism - liberals equate freedom with state protection rather than self-determination, I understand all this. I'm not looking to rewrite Marx or anything. I don't think we disagree on anything fundamental.

I believe in an active effort to be considerate to people's feelings though, I don't like a lot of the apathy from marxists, and we must all admit that it is mostly cis-het white men who are shutting down these types of empathetic discussions, and minorities or women who also participate are relegated to the category akin to the "based black man" from conservatives. This isn't an attack on marxism, I have to specify, it's just an observation I have made.

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I don't know if most incels are really on the left, but i agree with most of the post. Thankfully when this board goes against women it does so against retarded feminism and not "she didn't fuck me therefore she is bad".

At least I realize I am a piece of "human" shaped feces that nobody should be subject to tolerating.

"She's a bad feminist" is often a cover for "woke male misogyny," as in, the male leftist wants to keep the "bad feminist" in her place. It's just typical male chauvinism hidden under a "theory" excuse.

I don't wish death on too many people. But, my fucking god. You are by far, the most worthless and pathetic poster on this board. Yes, including baboon poster.

I don't really see very many on the left becoming woke ghetto poets who also hate women. It's not exactly a trend, anyway. There could be a kind of hatred transformed into a pseudo-love for women in white knighting, though.

Probably one of the more interesting things psycho-socially on the larger Anglosphere left, including radlibs, is the transformation of the American high school and bullying experience into a greater political mythology, with the "smart" people against "dudebros." It's a rerun of geeks vs. jocks by the people who never seemed to have gotten over it.

The board never really makes a big deal out of a radical ways of consent or abortion, though, when i said "retarded feminism" i meant capitalism with feminine characteristics, or the typical "more female colonizers!"

Your entire post is nothing more than conjecture.

Whiteknighting is absolutely a sign of misogyny; the insecure "woke" guy runs after a damsel in distress because she's worse off mentally than he is, and he knows he can have the one-up in the relationship.

Most "smart" men are dudebros. Both treat women in equally shitty ways. Again, the "woke" guy needs to belittle women in order to secure his role as a man, which is also why he will constantly chastise reactionary women far more than he'll chastise reactionary men (again, it's all power dynamics, he has to show he knows more than women, that he's more moral than women, etc.).

Death is the sweet release he desires.

You say it as if it is our fault though?

It is the man's fault.

It's confusion on the men's side, if anything. No different than a rapist believing the victim was asking to be raped.

There will never be a straight relationship not built in some kind of power dynamic at play.

Let's all be gay and reproduce only in labs. Everyone will be happier (probably not men since we are generally way uglier)

Spoilers: they are the same thing.

No intelligent man actually believes modern feminism is at the very least not without some glaring flaws. Any time you see misandry levels of vitriol coming from a "male feminist" he either is a member of the double digit club, or trying to get laid by some SJW chick. And in the vast majority of times it's going to be the latter.

But here's the thing a guy cannot go after a girl in any situation where she is not the gatekeeper to sex. Even if he's confident and has multiple choices.

You don't need sex nor are you entitled to it.

So how is this misogyny problem is on the left?

I've seen this argument a lot, i don't expect for there to be sources on what gender gatekeeps sex the most but let's assume it's girls who have the key to a sexual encounter. Does this lead to anger/insecurities in men?, definitely, but so many other forms of discrimination are based on a general idea that the "other"(the girl, the person of color) doesn't act as i want him to. This doesn't make them any more justified in feeling this way. Is definitely an issue, but what do you propose?, is not different than saying men are lacking sexual satisfaction these days. The option will always be government given partners, which will obviously not happen.

Yeah, i don't really see how it is mostly on the left. I will say is a mentality a big majority of men have, but the left seems better at making guys cope with it, i mean which right wing "struggle session" have you seen discussing how to handle girls rejecting you that didn't turn into pick up artist advice or redpill bullshit?

I could say the same about yours, although I don't think speculation is necessarily useless. Regardless, that the language of high school is being used politically on the left isn't conjecture. It isn't clear what's driving people to express political views using this mythological US high school social environment, however.

I was only speaking in terms of their own classifications rather than addressing how they actually regard women.

Insecurity and depression are like a double-edged sword. On one hand, they cause people to think in a more analytical/self-aware fashion, i.e. people with depression think they are the scum of the earth, nothing they do is good enough, they're hideous, everyone secretly hates them, and so on; but they are also able to see through society's bullshit and notice power relations in the behaviors of others. But, this same insecurity in males also breeds woman-hating because, again, the man feels intimidated by women whom he feels de facto have the one-up over him unless he can "put the b*tch in her place".

This is often why so many "woke" men on the left end up converting to Islam or becoming born-again Christians: both religions emphasize "manliness" and give men excuses to railroad women for being "immodest", etc.

I study psychology. I know what I'm talking about. Your "high school left" regression bullshit sounds like just that: bullshit. I have never experienced it nor have I noticed it in any meaningful way. How old are you?

This is exactly the kind of stupid logic we don't need on the left.

You demanding a woman give you her pussy (or at least, expecting her to) is the epitome of entitlement.

You're not entitled to love either.

Maybe try to explain how far does this "trying to get laid" guy goes when doing so, does he just ask once?, if told not, what does he do?, how does he feel about her decision?

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Well it doesn't say much that your only retort to me is a meme.

I'm not demanding women give anyone their pussy you absolute sperg. Putting words in other peoples mouths is exactly why SJWs are considered a shitstain cancer on the left. Go back to reddit and stay there.

Doesn't mean much when you're already a meme

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It's unfortunate that you seem to be merely speculating about people more than someone who hasn't studied psychology, then.

You haven't noticed the "bro"-type language at all and its association with the stereotypical jock image? Have you been living under a rock?

Older than you, I'd bet, which is to say old enough to know that "I study psychology" means precisely nothing insofar as being correct goes. Or actually having studied psychology for that matter.

That is not necessary imbibed into men with depression. Probably the rage was directed at females by male chauvinists.

t. male and depressed

I'm 30 years old. Come at me dude.

I'm surprised you can be a lolcow at 30.

I've dated two depressed leftist men (both of whom were, BTW, clinically depressed) and they were absolute misogynists, entirely linked to their mental state.

That way is already here: dieing. But you need Gnosis first, otherwise you will reincarnate. You can't keep your "personality" tho. But it's much better.

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Said the organic body. You are your body, there is no discontinuity between you and your body. If you change it you change yourself, if it perishes you perish.

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This makes sense
It's goes hand in hand with Adlers inferior organ theory.
Those that are inferior in any way will always try to lord over others and use it as a defensive mechanism.
but also

In what way were they misogynistic?

Bitch at least post actual gnostic stuff if you want to talk about gnosticism

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I know it has some gnostic themes, but i would not call it fully gnostic

I wouldn't call it missandry. I just think the RadLib American Leftist discourse is reverse racist and misogynist as fuck. Don't get me wrong here. I don't mean "reverse racism" in the sense it's usually said.

I mean there's a culture of protesting too much, which ends up then recycling every sexist and racist stereotype through the actual discourse. Women are thought of as a marginalized group who need to be privileged along with non-whites, gays and so on. This however does not only mean women should be allowed a bigger platform, but men should also be less critical of them (listen and believe), and as a result not only is every brainfart a woman might say that even slightly bolsters the intersectional RadLib narrative accepted, it's often celebrated (like this meme). You can also see this in race, like Ta-Nahese Coates who'se resentful, often downright reactionary fantasies are celebrated as Gospel.

It's a weird re-enactment of Victorian era attitudes of race and gender. White men need to show sacrifice and restraint, because such things can be expected on them. Women and non-whites are treated as less than children. I don't much care what theoretical bells and whistles are being used to justify this behaviour. It's disgusting, and should be contained in America as much as possible.

Nope, that's a great meme, and it's using fetishize in a fairly common and correct way. Libs got btfo'd for projecting their ideology onto one big US military base in Syria, and now you (sorry, not you you very serious Marxist who still thinks he has to define simple terms on a Marxist board) are getting btfo'd for jerking off to sub5 brown women with guns.

they do though, that's a normal use of the english language
what does a foot fetishist do? in the purest sense of the term: they fetishize feet. they engage in foot fetishism.
Not really, I just wanted to build on that analysis.

Also thank you for providing reasonable engagement in light of my initial post rather than resorting to imageboard cliches in your replies.

Ah, I see you are a man of good taste. Please tell me you at least get what the series is about and that Yuki is the MC.

Well, I'm not sure, I have my interpretation. Please tell me yours.

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is there really no powerplay in non-straight relationships?

Yawn.

Why do women feel personally attacked at a kitchen joke? It's a pretty small part of yourself, given advanced technology you'd think people on the internet would choose to hide their gender its so insignificant here. It's because it is a piece of us that apparently matters, that had an effect on our experience throughout our entire lives that causes both the divide and offense. Clouded judgements fail to see through the opposite lens, and so men and women only have one eye each. As a man I blame ridiculous standards brought on by modern women for my shortcomings because the media focuses heavily on the drama, obscuring the real world. As a woman, I focus on the reports of rape and violence, on the few twisted words to its most hateful facets, to the women computerized to be more beautiful than I could ever see. In a way both are wrong, and the small local world is typically more balanced. The international market, the beast that is capitalism and the media, is unforgiving however and its blaring light shines in our sky a bleak and disheartening red. We're all living a fantasy, a dillusion written by elite dreamers with so much access to information that any path they think can be confirmed for themselves, should they subconsciously look hard enough. Personally I think we need more individualist power in the left, no more defending the meek but making them meek no longer. Stop focusing on the pieces of ourselves that are bartered as style, industry, donation and advertisement and start focusing on our ideas, and how to topple this overgrowth regime. When the competition falls and power is put into the hands of the individual, there will be no one to blame but yourself.

Imagine actually believing this

Fuck you and fuck this thread

Yours is probably a lot more interesting than mine, I've heard a lot of people talking about themes of Gnosticism in the show but I'd like to hear more. There's the Kyon is God interpretation which I think has some merit, even as just an intriguing thought experiment. I generally haven't read or thought much into the entire thing though so perhaps I'm misguided.

Anyway, mine isn't fully formed, and I only started thinking about it a couple of days ago after rewatching the main series/film and then watching the spin off, but after looking into how the spin off got completely trashed I was very confused because it seemed like no-one even understood the themes of the original. I think it's transparent that the spin-off is clearly not just an alternate universe that explores what would have happened if Kyon chose it in the Disappearance arc/film, disconnected from the main show but there are also some intriguing discrepancies that come into play within the part where the 1st universe Yuki's consciousness is planted into the 2nd universe's Yuki. There's also the fact that a lot of the things that are supposed to be nods to the main series aren't congruent with how you'd expect them (unless you subscribed to the Kyon theory, but even then I think there are problems there), I'm actually right now leaning towards neither universe being a definitively "correct" one and have a tentative theory that none of the supernatural stuff that happens actually happens, instead just being stories that Yuki herself is writing but until I can find some concrete evidence for it with examples it's just conjecture based on the fact that the narrator role in both shows operates differently (the structure of Kyon's perspective vs Yuki's perspective in the spin off are markedly different), various small discrepancies that I can't really pinpoint and the fact that it's Yuki herself that actually ever acts as a Catalyst for the plot driving forward despite it being Haruhi that supposedly creates situations and Kyon that is the agent which "fixes" things (although really you can argue he's just following a set path that Yuki is laying out for him). There seems to be some kind of symbolic relationship between the restraint that Yuki is forced to show in her role for the DO/DITE and the way in which the perspective of the audience is repeatedly shown Kyon coming to realisations that enable both the Audience & Kyon to understand Yuki. The entirety of the endless eight arc is kind of an affective technique to help the audience/reader to truly empathize with what Yuki is experiencing as the only one who retains memories in between cycles, which is intriguing because she's the only non-human character and this is kind of expanded upon further along when all of the events are essentially fallout from Yuki struggling with this. There are various points throughout the entire series where the multiple versions of Kyon take an almost obligatory interest in what Yuki is reading; out of politeness, but he never actually bothers to read anything of hers, whether it be her own writing on the computer or one of the many books, and in fact the only time he does take an authentic move to recognise yuki's interests is when he asks her about whether she wants to join the computer society to play games. I'd imagine this is why Yuki in the alternate universe does so as opposed to reading. It gets even more strange that the Library event becomes so integral in both universes when Kyon apparently isn't remotely interested in books as well. idk this is getting kind of incoherent and rambly so I'm gonna stop here but I have a lot more half formulated thoughts on various things that seem like intentional decisions by the author to frame Yuki in a specific way.