The kurds were sellouts

ISIS is pretty fucking dead in Syria, and the war's still ongoing. one big US military base in Syria and Assad forces continue killing each other on the borders consistently.
If one big US military base in Syria had any interest in protecting their sovereignty they're better off making concessions to Assad like Catalan did with Spain. Then as the countries generate their wealth together that divide persists and can grow into something bigger.
It's far better than selling out to the US Government and falling under constant Israeli influence and propaganda.
But one big US military base in Syria won't do that, their leaders already sold their culture to Washington D.C. a long ass time ago and you all bought it. This was destiny.

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Did anyone other than teen LARPers over on our lovely retarded sibling board seriously think America was going to leave?

Yeah no
I had hope but until the US fuck off I'm not touching that shit.

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Citation needed
The stance of the Kurdis Muh forces has always been that it wants a Federalized zone WITHIN Syria
How is it doing either of those things?
What do you even mean by "Sold their culture"?

I will agree that while the collaboration with the US Goverment is unfortunate it is necessary to prevent aggression from either Turkey or the Central goverment of Syria and Dosent undo the achievements of the groups involved in the project
They have been clear that so they do seek a US withdrawal once peace has been made

It does not matter what they want. America will stay as long as it desires.

how? they don't even have any leaders representing them. they are just another horizontalist anarchist utopian movement that is doomed to fail like all the others.

The US bases in the area mainly take the form of Airfeields and similar installations
Certainly not forts or bases capable of long term resistence against Kurdish and Syrian forces
It's likely that once a deal for federalisation is reached with Damascus that a ultimatum will be handed to the US requesting their withdrawal from the area
If not then the Syrian army and the Kurdish regional militias would rather easily surround the installations and force a withdrawal

like I said, despite this they are still fighting each other. their government clearly has no plans to stop fighting Assad, otherwise they wouldn't be.

Cont.

The movement in the north of Syria also can't be called "Anarchist" in the traditional sense of the word as they don't advocate Anarchist statelessness in the traditional sense but rather advocate the abilities for groups to be represented in a society without the need for sepratistic war or conflict

I doubt Anarchists would grant Asylum to multiple exiled Turkish Marxist and Leninist groups opposing the regime in Ankara

You still have not provided evidence that they are even in a state of conflict with the Syrian goverment though?

Though the situation could currently be described as a bit of a "Cold War" of sorts between the two entities as the Damascus goverment still does not recognise the regions autonomy in a De-Facto sense the border between the entities has been the Euphrates river for years at this point and the Syrian goverment has mostly agreed not to cross into the area

syriahr.com/en/?p=102044
You are wrong unfortunately. Believe me I wish it weren't so, but they're sellouts.

What I find most troubling is so-called left wingers like Noam Chomsky and Michael Brooks explicitly supporting U.S military occupation and expansion in Northern Syria to “protect civilians and ethnic minorities” against the ‘evil’ Syrian Arab Army.

I suppose Brooks supporting U.S imperialism is somewhat typical of the first worldist western pseudo left however Chomsky should know better considering his excellent research into U.S foreign policy (his book Hegemony or Survival is a must read). Surely anyone with half a brain can see that the U.S is merely trying to Bulkanise Syria and hand over control of Northern Syria to Kurdish Oligarchs and take advantage of its natural resources including oil.

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The article linked shows the details of a relatively small clash that happened a number of months ago in one disctrict of North Syria which has a rather uniquely volatile situation
(The area is under Kurdish militia control for the most part though a border crossing under joint Syrian-Turkish control also exists)
This does not support your claim of "Killing each other on the borders consistently"

Also the source is the Syrian observatory of Human rights which is literally a pro-Militant organisation

Obviously the US would benefit from this though no evidence that the Kurds wish for this to happen exists
How so?
The Kurdish forces have a constitution that explicitly supports the eventual fading out of private (Capitalist) enterprise in favour of a mix of worker control / Mutalist Co-Ops and state ownership
The North has already allowed the central goverment to continue exploitation of oil resources in the north

Interesting insight. I have a few questions;

1- Are the Kurdish controlled areas in the north unanimously controlled by Y-P-G forces and government? My understanding was that there were ongoing friction and disputes between pro-capitalist and anti-capitalist groups and prominent individuals in the Kurdish region.

2 - Also what do you think the U.S will do in the region? Allow Turkey to annex it or support more business friendly Kurds against the Y-P-G?

Thanks.

It was only like a month or two ago that IS made a counterattack and took a few villages. The war with them is still ongoing. You don't know shit

How can you both be horizoontal and also have a leader you praise like a god? This makes no sense.

In terms of "Control" in the Military sense the area is under the authority of the Kurdish forces though the goverment still operates the medical infrastructure education infrastructure (Varies) and other social services in the area while the local political system is controlled by the Kurdish forces

The US clearly has shown that it has no intention of stopping Turkish intervention in the area
It has also historically supported the Iraqi based Kurdistan regional goverment which is explicitly hostile to the Syrian Kurdish forces

The Syrian Kurds are literally using the US bases as meat shields to keep the T*rks away. The fact is that the only way the US will leave is if the Y.PG and Syrian government sign a deal and co-operate. The people saying “fuck the Kurds lmao” are literally hoping for a situation in which the Kurds will be forced to keep relying onthe US and thus they will stay indefinitely. The only truly anti-imperialist stance is to support collaboration between the Y.PG and Syrian gov, and a deal which preserves the democratic and socialistic gains of the R.ojava revolution.

You got a source for this wild take?

You realise since the very beginning (like thirty years ago) the Kurds and Assad have had a testy but mutually dependable relationship, Assad supported the Kurds in their struggle with Turkey, The Assad regime currently funds Kurdish healthcare among other things.

What is it that makes you think you know more about the situation than Assad himself?

He’s retarded. There have been sporadic and isolated border clashes, usually involving pro-government militias rather than the actual Syrian army. Meanwhile they have done plenty of joint operations against ISIS and the TFSA and even hold joint occupation of some regions.

Oh also, the only reason the US have a military base there is because the eternal Turk stopped allowing the US to airstrike from their territory and so the US asked the Kurds. In order to protect the airbase they have built up there are special forces there also, a piffling amount compared to the Kurds presence.

The Russian military is also equally present. Is Russia imperialist now? Not taking beneficial allegiances when you can get them for the sake of ideological purity is the least pragmatic, least Leninist position you could possibly take.

On top of that, the Kurdish population has undergone really quite a sweeping cultural revolution specifically in order to resist capitalist modernity, this is a population who have in the past carried out suicide attacks etc, who are currently engaging in turning large amounts of their population into a disciplined Militia. Their cadre, who lead the revolution, which can hardly be called horizontal by any stretch of the imagination, pledge their lives to revolution, to the point where they don't even take sexual partners. Suppose the US did try any fuckery, it is not going to be taken lying down, and you can bet all the US intelligence knows that fine well. If you wanted to re-destablise the area, that is exactly the best root to take, which is obviously their goal, however, the US, pragmatically, is not going to one to destabilise the only area in Syria they have any kind of presence, tiny as it is.

I am aware, fully aware, probably more so than you as you evidently don't read shit, that the US has been pushing for regime change in Syria since as early as 2006, but your takes on geopolitics are weak , vulgar anti imperialist, pulled out your ass nonsense.

On top of that, i know 3/4 volunteers, all are leninists. So STFU with your keyboard warrior bullshit

Seconded. The majority of volunteers i've met have been either some kind of communist or ex squaddies that just want to help without much political dictation. The 'all volunteers are larping anarchists' is a meme. For me it isn't that there isn't a critique of this movement to be had it is only that there is a far more interesting and piercing one than this nonsense the screechy autists at Zig Forums spouts on as daily basis.

R*java is, was and will US imperalist puppet
Bolshevik comparision isnt making the trick these days
Anarkiddies BTFO

OP literally says the best route for the kurds is to cooperate with Syria.

I agree I have posted some time ago, that independence is not worth hosting US bases and bombing socialist state.

doesn't matter anymore
Turks are about to steamroll them into the ground, operation is expected to start tmmrw morning
US will likely retain bases and get their goal of still having parts of Syria under their control, but the one big US military base in Syria will be replaced by FSA

Syria isn’t socialist and the Kurds don’t want independence. I can’t believe that this has been going on for years and people still don’t know the most basic facts about the conflict.

Roja.va has been dealing with Assad since 2013. Half of Qamishlo is under Assad's rule. They fought ISIS together. Its why Turkey hasn't steamrolled them yet.

You should probably at least read the Wikipedia article before talking out your ass.

What does this mean?

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It means that it will soon be a bannable offence not to support Erdogan in his brave anti-imperialist struggle against R.ojava.

Laffed

Erdogan has been planning to invade Manbij and the rest of one big US military base in Syria controlled land west of the Euphrates. Looks like Russia and the US are gonna let it happen

Looks like the rumors about the US standing down were false. We'll have to wait and see.

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Yeah, won't happen. NATO needs Turkey against Russia, so Turkey will have a lot of leeway as long as Russia and NATO continue to feud.

Won't happen
Russia and Turkey have tried to make at least Cordial gestures to each other for a while
If Turkey is forced out of / Leaves NATO Erdogan has basically already said he would immediately join CST

Turks and TFSA are gonna attack in the next 48 hours
gonna take everything up to Raqqa as their final goal

that’s why he was being ironic, nerds

One can dream.

The US/YP*G is using the Turks to justify the bases. Turkey is part of NATO stupid.

bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-46623617
US WITHDRAWING TROOPS FROM NORTHERN SYRIA

Try telling that to everybody in Afrin who are now living under Jihadist fascist occupation. Turkey has their own agenda, and it involves crushing the Kurdish movement in Turkey as well as in Syria. For now the US is keeping them from invading because they are both in NATO, meaning that as long as Turkey is a threat and the Kurds have no other means of protecting themselves, the US will stay. The only way to get the US out is to form an alliance with Assad. Cooperation between the Y.PG and the SAA to get rid of the US and keep Turkey/TFSA away is the only serious anti-imperialist line.

Why do the kurds not ally themselves with Assad?

They’re currently in negotiations.

What did you expect? The US was never going to let an authentic challenger to global capitalist hegemony emerge untainted. Their options were be crushed or get on board, there isn't a 3rd option for the time being.

Well starters there is a betrayal narrative over Kobane, they originally formed from kurdish civic organisations that were suppressed by the baathist regime, and Assad has basically rejected (although not in aggressive terms) the existence of their entire system.
Regardless, there were ties between Damascus and Efrin, and in Aleppo the Kurdish autonomous neighbourhood actively worked with the SAA in that battle (mostly because Aleppo was originally a pro-Damascus city that the rebels captured in 2013). Also there are offices of the Baathist party currently operating in the DFSNS under a 2017 agreement. I imagine they may be asked to surrender more political power in exchange for Damascus military aid purely because it allows Damascus to strike against the Turks who are currently loading arms into Idib. The West has effectively said it would protect Idib back in the summer, so Damascus has kinda been at a stalemate after its victory in the south and the Homs pocket. We will see what occurs in the following days tbh: but this is the real endgame now. A major concern is that the west goes full hog in support for the Turks and their islamist proxies: which could launch an Iran-Iraq tier war.

Not so shit on your parade, but a bunch of socialist Kurds surrounded by hostile powers aren't anywhere near posing a challenge to global capitalist hegemony. I wish the Kurds all the best, but come on.

There existance in itself is a challenge, that doesn't imply that they, on their own, are going to overthrow the global order.

rip k*rds
Turks are about to end them then


because realistically they do want independence though they cloak it under a guise of autonomy backed up by American firepower

independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/trump-syria-us-troops-withdrawal-isis-end-islamic-state-a8690871.html

TRUMP CONSIDERING FULL WITHDRAWAL OF US TROOPS FROM SYRIA

oh..

Interesting, thanks. Do they at least have a chance against Turkey without the rest of NATO?

muh poor brown primitive hill peoples tho! look at all the wah-men that pose in pictures taken by cia/mossad Kurds are based!

Well, it was a good run for K*rds
Erdo will die in R*java quagmire too

Cant wait to see the biggest shitshow of Middle East since Iran-Iraq war

U.S. Military Preparing for a Full Withdrawal of Its Forces From Syria

wsj.com/articles/u-s-military-preparing-for-a-full-withdrawal-of-its-forces-from-northeastern-syria-11545225641

bookchinites btfo

It means that Turkey is going to violate lawful Syrian borders.

DSNFS against Turkey alone? No, the Turks have planes and they do not. DSNFS with support from Damascus they have a fighting chance but it will be bloody.

not a chance, especially since the Arab components will switch sides to the TFSA as a lot of them were former FSA the US brought over

I also guarantee they'll do the same dumb thing that they did in Afrin and spit in Damascus' eye

That's a hell of a Q4.

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The economy is still shot to shit though: also the Syrian gamble is v dangerous as a lot of the Pan-Turkism elements of the military (The Grey Wolves) oppose intervention in Syria in that way. This is mostly being pushed by the Erdoganite Islamists.

Bullshit, the Grey Wolves want to genocide all non Turks in Afrin and Idlib and settle Turks there.

No they want to remove the Kurds from eastern turkey already there not annex more lands mostly full of Arabs and kurds. They're also pro-Russia because muh central Asian ties.

There in support of Turkey’s ethnic cleansing of Afrin. The Grey Wolves are the Turkish version of the NSDAP.

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Ideologically perhaps, but not in the term of the turkish military alliances. The Grey wolves are isolationists that want to build foreign policy ties with turkic nations: they are opposed to Erdogan's expansionist islamist policies.

Can't believe so many posters put their foot in it by making authoritative comments seemingly hours away from massive happenings.

twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/1075475814836244480
This is either great or fucking awful news.

Well, this take sure is something a week onwards.

Are you trying to imply the Kurds would ever fight there masters, the Americans? Are you retarded?

Fucking wow

The CIA handlers will probably stick around to direct them.

The month appears first in the date format, the take is just over 56 hours old.

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doesn't at all mean the the one big US military base in Syria were a US puppet the whole time. In fact it shows the opposite . If US wanted to Balkanise Syria in Order to control it with seperatism why wouldn't they stick around

America isn't leaving.

Any dog left to starve by its master will eventually become hungry enough to eat him.

More happenings?
twitter.com/CivilWarMap/status/1075772568060063744?s=19
TFW I was right all along

Thought so tbh: SAA troops have been moving to the DeZ region.

Question is: is Erdogan gonna be cockblocked by this, or is he still going for it? If this turns into a war between Turkey and Syria it's gonna be a really interesting 2019.

No, Turks will still take a zone up to M-4 highway at the very least
SAA forces are going to secure oil and natural gas fields further south, assuming a deal is reached with kurds

Likely, Syria and Turkey have precoordinated this to an extent

What makes you think that? That's a whole lot of territory to give up mostly without a fight, and it would pretty much mean double-crossing the SyDF mere days after making a deal. Besides, if that is the plan why even negotiate?

Why isn't anyone talking about this? Please start talking about this.

We are!

Wow that's cool!

Look like France is sticking around

Gillets Jeunes one big US military base in Syria collab incoming.

Turkey and Syria have been fighting a war for like 6 years now.

Kekque
On a real though, the French army provides the one big US military base in Syria with most of its anti tank materiel so that is kinda important for events going forward.

If Roj,ava is to survive they need Anti-Air guns and SAMs.

That's where you're wrong, bucko.

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The FSA part of the one big US military base in Syria are part of it precisely in opposition to Turkey coopting their movement and creating puppet armies out of other parts of the FSA.
Rejecting an unreasonable offer like "unconditional surrender, immediate conscription, and immediate disarmament" is neither dumb nor spitting in Damascus' eye.

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