There is a saying from the English Civil War about that. The Rural supported the Jacobites while the Urban supported the Republicans.
What is your take and opinion on 2016 presidental election?
Julian Hughes
Brody Flores
One of the best threads in a while.
Beautiful analysis and not much shitposting. I agree with most of this thread.
Jason Hill
bingo
Aaron Murphy
Who cares? It is all over anyway we are all done piggy will always win it is all don we are dead I will kill myself goodbye old friends we should all mass suicide it is over we have to give up
Lucas Foster
There's a lot of good analysis in this thread.
Adding onto it, and from the perspective of someone who actually voted for Trump during the 2016 election, I would say that we see a curious kind of zeal coming from the respective voters of both Trump and Obama–they undoubtedly both established their own cults of personality which helped lend Obama to being above criticism and any criticism of Trump to be ignored by their respective bases. There's an odd kind of signal and counter-signal, one that I suspect is based in the failure of both of these populist candidates, wherein the more obvious it becomes that their terms as president isn't transformative, the more tyrannical and rabid their fans become–for Obama this led to the rise of the liberal IdPol we all know and love, and in Trump's case we see a renewal of nationalist sentiment combined with a growing white identity politics.
Overall it reflect, I think, growing dissatisfaction with the established political order as others have said, but no real benefit to anti-capitalism. Instead it seems people are turning towards cult-like leaders to "save" them rather than any analysis of what's going on. In the case of the latter, I'm of course biased against SJWs so I can't help but find fault with them in both burning out young idealists and potential socialists–however it's not entirely their fault, the radical left hasn't done enough to educate people.
Samuel Ross
Kino posts.
Jaxon Miller
It was the most expensive circus ever with just about zero actual effect on anything, aside from changing the mindsets of people towards greater acceptance of authoritarianism. The whole point of the debacle was to play a gigantic joke on Burgers, and the Burgers went along with the joke (Trump's margin of victory was decided literally by people who just voted Trump for the lulz, not that elections really matter because as user mentioned the civil service and judiciary hold most of the real power, Congress doing as much as humanly possible to do nothing since the things they want at the moment would be both massively unpopular and disastrous if implemented.)
Trump is not anything new. We did this shit before with Reagan, complete with the elevation of some of the scummiest criminals imaginable to the executive. If there was anything to mark a turning point, it's to gauge just how much shit Burgers will eat, and the answer is more than the rulers dreamed. The willingness to go along with this farce could be a signal to step up the horribleness and amplify culture war horseshit, but that's still part of a long-term trend.
2020 at this point is probably the return of Obama-style neoliberal technocrats, except even more arrogant and boneheaded than last time. Both of the political parties are stuffed with incompetents who don't know what they're doing; anyone with a modicum of political talent got purged to make way for Jeb and Hillary, let alone anyone with a coherent vision that is different from "please let's try not to fuck this up, k?"
I don't think there's going to be another economic collapse on the scale of 2008 for a while. If there is going to be any major disruption at all, it's probably coming after 2020. The current strategy is to just do everything possible to not fuck up what they built in 2008, and to keep the shell game going for some time into the future. So long as wealth continues to inflate at the top, they can control the tap of wealth flowing downward such that the depression takes effect gradually but consistently, and keep grinding people through the gig economy and welfare payments for several more years. I think the end of the '20s is where you're going to start seeing dramatic changes, or a general war (which seems to be what they're building up towards, even if everyone knows what an absolutely horrible idea it is).