On December 12 the Hungarian Parliament adopted the "Slave Law" which could require workers to do overtime work up to 400 hours a year. Further, the reference period is increased to 36 months. The law was passed without proper consultation with social partners, through misuse of the Parliamentary procedures.
The changes would create a significantly worse situation for workers, practically introducing a 6 day working week. Although it would be linked to the agreement of the parties concerned, the power relation in the world of work is not an equal partnership of employer and worker. An employee is always in a vulnerable position, very often not in position to contradict to employers' requirements. The extension of the working time reference period to three years means the employee may be obliged to work overtime for a long period, while waiting for the compensation for years. This legislation is contrary to the 2003/88/EC working time directive fixing the reference period for a maximum of 12 months.
Hungarian trade unions oppose these steps which are against fair and decent employment conditions. Over the past days strong protest actions have brought large masses to the streets.
The Hungarian Trade Union Confederation (MASZSZ) demands the withdrawal of the law and has appealed to the President of Hungary not to sign it and refer it back to the Parliament. MASZSZ call for meaningful, proper consultation with social partners. Mr. President, do not sign the Slave Law!
False Flagger most likely, triggered by Orban being a cuckold to Capital. These new measures are actually insane, even if you put aside the fact that employers can technically withhold your entirely yearly overtime pay for up to 3 FUCKING YEARS (many employers will just use this as a way to justify even more wage theft), it has a massive knock on effect on all kinds of things; because of how the law of wages will interact with this increased exploitation it'll actually have a much bigger stagnatory effect than any immigration which is ironic considering that one of Orban's tactics was to pander to an anti-immigrant sentiment, in a country with almost no immigration in the first place. Not only with the average worker potentially be forced to work an extra 1-2 hours per day without compensation, thereby technically lowering wages by around 20% in the immediate term, it will also have a knock on effect by increasing competition among workers and gives Employers infinitely more leverage over workers because they can threaten layoffs and hire new workers as and when they wish since they're getting 6 workers worth of productivity out of 5 workers; even if certain sectors choose to expand employment it'll be on weaker baseline terms than current workers receive and ultimately massively decreases the bargaining position of the current workforce and reserve army of labour. This is without even mentioning the additional knock-on effects it will have economically and socially. Since household wages trend towards subsistence levels and Hungary has more traditionally structured households it will leave the average family worse off even if no adults within a household perform forced overtime, but if they do it has catastrophic consequences to relationships and families. There is additional strain and load put not only on the family because they're required to spend more time working for less & decreasing pay, there is strain put on the education system and on childcare, for which the costs are likely going to increase massively. Increased costs of Childcare already disproportionately impacts Women & Families but it'll have a further effect whereby more employment will be in those sectors, which are gendered, so not only will larger denominations of women leave the workforce because of this but the jobs they enter will be poorly paid "women's work". A lower participation rate among either gender is actually pretty harmful, not even just to Communists, it retards Class Consciousness of Women, placing them back into the home away from the Proletariat at large, not to mention the significant drop in Material Conditions that will impact them more. Idk this entire thing is a massive clusterfuck and an absolute destruction of the power of Labour as a whole.
Josiah Parker
"Required overtime" has got to be one of Porky's most shameless euphemism. It's an increased working week.
Anyway, the left is nearly dead there everywhere, so the credit for the protests will be stolen by the most craven and disgusting actors, which is to say, "new" reactionaries. See also, France.
Ethan Perry
Except in France it is reinvigorating the left (that crisis is still very much in play) and trade union struggles often tend to create/rebuild leftwing movements. I mean the 1904 March was lead by a reactionary priest and lead to the failed 1905 socialistic revolutions.
Alexander Harris
The reactionaries did this though.
Jack Powell
Hungary has a reactionary-neo fash dichotomy in Orban and Jobbik.
Joshua Jones
Far right stupid nationalist neofash get fucked over by own countrymen. Like pottery literally everytime.
Owen Clark
Very insightful. Please include lesbian gypsies next time.
Luke Johnson
Not the one who made that post but if that's all you took away from it then smdh fam.
Lincoln Perez
I would feel sympathy for them but most eastern europeans are fascist as fuck and believe that anti-immigration will come with no drawbacks under capitalism. Though then again, a neo-fascist eastern Europe is a fantastic buffer zone against Russia. When can someone nuke the entire world?
Imagine being triggered because I brought up how it will affect women, what the fuck is wrong with you faggot? It'll affect men as well obviously, (they're included in the family & worker part in case you hadn't noticed), but considering that Orban panders towards "traditional values" I found it funny to point out that his support of certain policies ends up hurting women & families the most.
Wyatt Gray
The starting point of his long-winded and confused tirade is a labor reform that punishes workers indiscriminately and the ending point of it is that women will get it worse. No matter what, the speech of divisive parasites will inevitably gravitate towards their particular idpol obsession.
aka. families aka. all sectors
But even if you think that this was just a benign tangent of his or a 'neutral' sociological addition (if such a thing were possible in politics), ask yourself: if done in public, in our media, in our speeches, what's the net effect?
They would say that highlighting the gender aspect will bring in more "oppressed people." I would say it will divide the very working class as it always does even further, bringing in petit-bourgeois women whose "oppression" status is rather suspect and whose obsession with their gender stems exactly from this, and either replaces the only concrete focus point (revolution) that could emancipate actual working class women with some kind of vague sympathy towards some kind of abstract 'womanhood' (here: a sociological fiction) or frustrate them with this "victimhood" status granted by the speaker, leading them further to the right where they at least don't face this scornful fake-sympathy, while naturally feeding to the right more working men, who feel that again, no matter what happens, faggot sociologists (they, sharing with the speaker this delusion, falsely perceive as Marxism) will always prove to them that their exploitation can only be secondary to [gender/ethnicity/sexual orientation].
TL;DR: fuck off and read Marx and Luxemburg.
Parker Long
This is a board dedicated to the proletariat, the only class that can bring about the emancipation of all. This is not a board dedicated to the "proletariat and women," the "proletariat and lesbians." If this triggers you you don't understand the basics of Marxism. Your pretend innocence is seen through among communists.
Hudson Morales
Nice try fag, but I'm definitely less idpozzed than you if you were this triggered from a comment about one of the few ways that female workers can be affected differently than male workers. Would you like me to make a post detailing all the ways in which it will additionally affect men?
Jason Adams
Unbelievable, the Hungarian trade unions are gearing up for general strike but the fascists LARPing as leftists on Zig Forums are too busy degrading women workers to have any meaningful discussion about the situation.
Luke Roberts
Jesus Christ, this whole post reeks of autism
Jose Cruz
What's the union density in Hungary?
Wyatt Jenkins
But what about muh gender studies tho
Jordan Carter
lmao shut the fuck up burger
Dylan Martin
Not that guy, but what are you talking about fam? szakszervezet.net/en/ You can argue they're completely captured by Capital but they do exist, I personally don't know the membership levels across sectors in Hungary but I'm sure you can look it up. It's also mentioned multiple times in the OP.
Jeremiah Gutierrez
this is great had it coming
Camden Martinez
this is a red-brown reactionary board, what did you expect?
Bentley Nelson
fixed it 4 u
Also, Hungary must be abolished. Their tendency to turn fash at every possible occasion in past 100 years doesn't seem like coincidence. There must be something either in paprika or in their language/culture.
Robert Howard
One yike has been deposited into your clout account.
Jack Sanders
It was one lad coming at me and I told him to fuck off, chill out, this isn't reddit there isn't a cabal of mods to check every poster's history.(>implying I'm not watching you while you sleep)
How many times must history repeat itself before we learn?
Jose Allen
Will hungarian workers stay put like good workers or engage in the most violent glorious uprising imaginable?
Hopefully the latter.
Parker Rivera
Now the fun begins…
Christian Morales
I think I might be misunderstanding you lad, from what you said it sounded like you were complaining that reactionaries can post here but I don't really see what the solution to that is?
Ian Bell
Sorry, but magyars deserve it for chimping out in 1956 and for voting for right wingers. What the hell were they expecting? Na.zis did the same thing. Austria had riots half a year ago over similar law. Italy most likely will have similar nonsense next.
Ah, Austria where social democracy means supporting Hitler's Anschluss.
Angel Reyes
Blame? They made the law to please the German automotive industry, why would they complain about something they made themselves? It's supposed to benefit the worker, "those who want to work more should be able to work more", and of course it is 100% """voluntary""". Those who don't like it are lazy provocators working for Soros (but not working like that, they are students and lumpen who never worked a day).
That is because the standard practice of bourgeois courts is to grant women the rights over the children in divorce cases, even if the father is provably a better candidate for parenthood (women having much favorable verdicts compared to men is the proven international standard). If the divorcees have had only a single estate, it goes, naturally, to the party with custody over the kids, hence a lot of males become homeless and/or unemployable (without a recognized post address), moreover in the majority of the cases there's now child support they should be able to conjure up out of thin air.
Let me queue my small violin over your single mother who has not just had the backing of the state, but was able to retain social support (children), receives (yes, meager, but still) allowance (at the expense of the other), and, in the majority of the cases the socially accepted standard, the she must have moral superiority over her ex-husband (the courts are on the side of justice, silly), in a country where 80+% of homeless people are men, live ~10 years less due to a statistically higher participation in strenuous work and higher chance of mental problems due to social isolation.
No, I'm telling you that every sector is gendered. I'm telling you that all of this is useless sociology, grievances packaged as morality, meaningless academic exercises ate trying to construct a "just society" by measuring the "unjust society," in short: as theory nothing to do with Marxism, and as praxis actively working against Marxism by dividing the working class.
The concept of social reproduction is from Marx, "reproduction theory" building upon it and bastardizing Marx in the process is sociology, not Marxism. You are on a Marxist board. Deal with it.
Agenda or not, there's theoretical ignorance behind it, and malign effect in front of it.
I'll be the judge of that.
Yes, because the working class just LOVES IT when a freshly introduced law that rapes them as a class is being presented to them as WELL, AKSCHUALLY, WOMEN WORKERS WILL GET IT WORSE! And NATURALLY such genius interjection always brings more cohesion and unity between the workers.
Juan Allen
that's insane
Hunter Rogers
Mate, again, it was an offhand comment that wasn't the central point of the post, just an example of the aforementioned knock on effects, you're really going off on one over literally nothing, I tell you what, if you want I'll retract the poorly worded 2nd from last sentence in my original post if it makes you happy. I agree with practically everything you're saying, it's self-evident. I was just defending myself because you came at me for no reason.
Adrian Hall
Do you know how to format a post?
Carson Barnes
Critical moments can't tolerate missteps. Cheers.
Juan Fisher
Nope I'm rarted
Ok, sorted, we'll get back on topic then.
Isaiah Nelson
In Hungary fathers get custody in 40% of the cases in case there is a dispute. See dr. Grád András, dr. Jánoskúti Gyöngyvér, dr. Körös András, 2007. If you are such a Marxist as you claim yourself to be how come you are ignorant of the very basics of dialectical materialism and try to shoehorn your messed up conception of the ＲＥＡＬ ＷＯＲＬＤ into historical situations where they don't fit? At least look up the facts before you further embarrass yourself.
Colton Cooper
What is so special about that? What exactly is going to change about that labor law? No additional papers having to sign to work over 150 hours or just getting to V4 standard?
iirc immigration has no economic impact if you still have international trade. it's a non-economic issue.
Brandon Gutierrez
Have you missed this part? Furthermore, they don't even have to pay you for your overtime, they can just give leave days instead.
Matthew Sanders
Also what kind of communists doesn't care that things get worse for workers just because it's even worse in a different country. Go and campaign to legalize child work because it's legal in Bolivia if you think this kind of logic makes any sense.
Brandon Allen
Thank you for your source. Viktor "Iron fist of American Freedom" Orban is outdoing himself.
I do not know, I did not imply that. You are the one which came up with this kind of idea and then blamed it on me you jewish nigger. Try to put yourself under less stress, not everyone on Zig Forums is here to get you.
The Hungarian's supporting these protests can still be saved imo no matter how reactionary they are socially because at least they have some basic class consciousness and even basic common sense The Magyar's in the YouTube comments on twitter screaming "These Are all jEwU Paid actors to try to overthrow glorious leader" on the other hand are unfixable
Cooper Wood
With YouTube commenters it's safe to assume they are all retirees or children unless proven otherwise.
Ian Cook
what's unusual?
Owen James
link?
Angel Mitchell
This actually, liberals are destroying this place
Xavier Russell
Literally any vid about the protest's
Colton Miller
Didn’t Engels have Magyars in mind when he made the reactionary peoples comment?
Connor Cook
Engels was a pretty big fan of Kossuth, so I doubt.
Hudson Reyes
Why is it okay to be racist against Hungarians? We had three communist revolutions and they were all crushed by foreign armies…
Josiah Reed
you sound like little nationalist, Chaba
Adam Smith
Can someone summarize this situation for new people?
Jason Garcia
Hungary has a reactionary Putinesque government. It recently passed a law stating that overtime could be not paid until 3 years after it was earned. People are protesting against that and the various other rectionary derisions of democracy.
William Scott
Can you translate that from american for me?
Zachary Torres
A legal constitutional democracy, but practically a dominant party state due to corruption, electoral manipulation, and party-aligned oligarchs owning the main media outlets. See also: Turkey, Developing in: Israel, Poland
Noah Jenkins
practically a one party state, where power is maintained by election fraud and media manipulation. Systems like this are also characterised by a "national bourgoisie-government" symbiosis where the government gives tax cuts, handouts, and taxpayer money to a small group of oligarch who in exchange use their massive wealth to buy up media outlets and bribe officials and the law enforcement . Countries with this system inside the EU (or at least close to the EU), like Hungary, Poland, Romania or Turkey are the main tool of German economic empirealism, where German automobile and electronic industry moves manufacturing out to these countries and exploit the garbage regulations and low wages. This is why Germany, and henceforth the EU will never EVER be opposed to the laws, such as the current "slave law" because it greatly serves their interests. This is also why the EU will never do anything to interviene in the enternal politics of these countries (no matter how much their administrations want people to believe that this is the case)
the average Chinese worker has ~8 hours a day, 5 days a week (not 6, they get Saturdays and Sundays off). of course there are exceptions were some people work on weekends, but they usually still get 2 days off per week and are payed for overtime.
Luis Allen
They don't. It's also worth mentioning that in China healthcare and education are both very affordable, and China is moving towards universal healthcare and education. Furthermore China has one of lowest retirement ages in the world, and according to western studies their elderly live healthier and almost as long as american't ones. China also has very low crime and incarnation rates. I am critical of Chinas foreign policy, but their domestic one is one of greatest in history, and China is far better than India or post-socialist states.
Austin Cruz
They are letting in Ukrainian workers too, they just try to hide it because it would go down really badly with their voter base.
David Sullivan
Communism in China it is something like religion now.
Oh shit we're gonna actually get Magyar Syndicalism aren't we? Fuck me if the left can pull off shit like this in Hungary socialism can resurge anywhere.
Blake Cooper
No. Czechs ans Croats.
David Thomas
Blaming Putin for everything. LMAO kill yourself.
Jonathan Cooper
Literally where did I do that?
Cameron Roberts
Well Marx didn't consider the Czechs reactionary as a people, he just didn't consider them a people (more of a slavic sub group that would be absorbed into a developing Germany, like the Silesians or Sorbians).
They really are fucking rats, they're like local gypsies complaining about outsider gypsies coming to their village because they will stink the place up.
Nicholas Wood
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Nathan Murphy
Genuinely never know what Hungarian Reactionaries are talking about, see pic related
