join a communist organization in Israel

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Sounds like the Palestinians are right.

The Israeli gay scene has pretty great dance music though so I can see why this party would be into it. I certainly am!

smh tbqh wit chu fam

Palestinians are idpolers.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

Your story fills me with considerable anger. I had to calm down before i started typing and i am still unable to form coherent thoughts beyond this.

I get you. Every time I try to bring up class issues I get called a workerist or some shit. One of the central organizers told me, "lets be honest, there is no proletariat, we're all petit bourgeois." Ok cuck, you're not the one sleeping on the floor while working 40 hour weeks on minimum wage.
80% of these commies are just yuppies trynna find a sufficient outlet to satisfy their bourgeois sentimentality, ie shout at walls about >peace

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Which communist organization is this? Isn't there more than 1 Communist party in Israel

There are a few. I'm not gonna disclose which one this is.

Well comrade this is a valid reason to split. If you can even call it a split since they arent communist in the slightest.

The fact that they think communism is pro-worker instead of anti-class demonstrates they have no idea what they are talking about. Proles are the solution to the problem, everyone but the megaporky is suffering from it.

This could be one of the problems, people are sensing things are not right, but they look at themselves and do not think they are the standard socialist worker, and so obvious its not for them, so they invent new reasons for their sufferings and get lead astray by liberals, not realizing its still all economic all along.

You're not going to find anything that isn't radlibs, subverted by the government, or both outside of already suppressed groups. Look for more radical groups outside if you can or smaller but more dedicated groups if you can't.

Tell me where do I fond that? Are there any (college) student orgs? I've been looking for a group for ages.
מאיפה אתה?

This is a pretty good student org:
hadash.org.il/tag/אגודת-הסטודנטים/

But what org did OP join?

Is it the Israeli Communist party? Or a different org?
Is it part of joint list or hadash?

what did you expect? can you at least agree if that you all got nuked, you'd be acceptable collateral damage?

Have you ever wondered why normal people fly to the right? We want nothing to do with these faggots and their failed ideas.

Maki (the Israeli communist party) is allot more Marxist than this org.
I'm not gonna name the org itself because I don't think it's trash per se, there are allot of Palestinians in the org (different parts of Israel) which uphold Marxist principles. The parts I've been to have been moreso Israeli and it's all been quite liberal, humanist, soft stuff. I'm not sure if these liberal tendencies are rooted in a bigger sabotage by the gov or wtvr.
Imo its just that middle class Israelis usually join leftist organizations to satisfy some bourgeois sentiment, it's part of a narcissistic impulse ("we are the good guys") and when they realize they're just implicated in some narcissistic impulse (ie they don't really have anything at stake, they're just trynna be the "good ones") this has to be overturned by a desire for more radicality - but this radicality is only a knee-jerk reaction and as such has the potential to become subverted by liberal politics.

What are you trying to get, Shin Bet?

hope it gets better OP

Thanks akhi

I just want to meet with like-minded people. Didn't expect there to be another Israeli regular on Zig Forums, I know there was this Democratic Confederalist mizrahi that used to post here until the ban came flying on R*java.

How many Palestinians did you kill today Jew user?

So, maybe this is off-topic but as an outsider I'm given to understand that given their peculiar Israelis are more sympathetic to communism than most other first worlders at least until recently

Is this the case? What is the outlook of the Israeli proletariat? In the past they were told they lived in a socialist country; now they live in a country with the highest inequality in the OECD and more start-ups than the whole of Western Europe. It seems to me that Israel, in spite or because of its ethno-nationalist trappings, is actually hyper-capitalist.

*peculiar history

the foundation must be laid to be able to talk properly about how to reach communism. that foundation is curbing islam

Being a lib in Isreal is literally asking to be killed.
That country is literally in a middle of a hostile environment. Most likely the most hate country on earth.
I'm actually surprised its still exist without being a military regime like other countries around it.

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This. A military dictatorship would be fucking redundant because all the civilian leaders have served in the military

Not OP and I was never really involved in any political groups so my insight is superficial.

Maybe sympathetic, but the usual leftist here is a liberal or socdem who insists that Communism can't work and then points to the USSR.
If you mean industrial workers (because we're all proles here), I would say pretty apathetic. From my experience working in factories most of the people are old ex-USSR emigrates, some young people looking for temporary work after being released from the army and middle aged israelis (mizrahis, ashkenazis, etc) who are also regulars. A Russian woman told me that they've been working for minimum wage for 15 years without a raise, you have to do overtime as well so the usual working day is between 10-11 hours and then come on Friday as well to have the bare minimum to live. The working hours aren't the case in all factories, but it's minimum or close to (I'm talking pennies) minimum wage in the other factories I've been to as well. Often even seniority doesn't give you any wage leverage for a higher pay. Besides factory workers, most people here can barely get by. The only protest by workers I remember was when a large layoff happened in one of our biggest pharmaceutical companies. On the other hand, old folks usually identify as socialist or some form of socdem.

In general the Israeli public is apathetic, the 2011 protests ended in this way. A lot of noise, some PR from the government, Bibi says a thing or two, and people disperse realizing no one gives a shit. We have a Yellow Vests protest as well now, I don't think it'll go anywhere.

Every says Israel used to be a Social Democracy.
I never knew this, but I'm not surprised. Right wingers always jerk off about how we're the best at everything in the Middle East but compared with Europe we're lagging behind in every respect, from education to economy.


that's bs

Well, not for the Israelis at least. But it may as well be like the user above said, considering there is no term limit and Bibi keeps being elected. It's a really annoying feature of Israelis, they say how much they hate Bibi and everything is going to shit but they would still vote for him because "he's the best we've got" and "he represents Israel's interests" etc. A bit similar to how certain Russians treat Putin.

I guarantee they don't know what that term means.

great job doing zionist dirty work buddy

Revert to Islam

I should add, libertarianism is on the rise in Israel and has become much more pronounced in recent years. I was at a debate between Yaron Brook and some SocDem guy who he debated twice already, the majority of the audience (judging by the amount of snickering every so often when the SocDem spoke and the groups the congregated around each speakers in the break and after the debate) was mostly composed of lolberts. Most of them are young, either teenagers or in their early 20s, eating from the trashcan of ideology and spouting pre-programmed lines they've heard on the internet from the likes of Dave Rubin or Peterson or whoever.

There was this guy after the debate who started shouting about Cultural Marxism. Which I found funny because he didn't realize the Jews are blamed for it.


I'm pretty sure he meant he called the non-Palestinians for being liberal

who called out who?, the palestinians to israelis and you to the israelis too or was it the palestinians?, i'm confused.

You know what you must do OP

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Not sure what you're getting at but I think you misread my post lol


I was siding with certain Palestinians in opposition to the org.

We need this now more than ever. #freeahmadsadaat

I've seen this libertarian tendency quite a bit as well. I think it connects with likud ideology nicely as they've always been anti-communist from the start (Jabutinski supported the white guards iirc). I think libertarianism also allows for a kind of spineless ideology to develop, "it's all just objective workings of the market, WE'RE TOTALLY NOT SYSTEMATICALLY EXPLOITING PALESTINIAN LABOR."

after all reactionary zionist pigs are slaughtered you will be spared op

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You were probably being an autist though, communist parties should definitely not refrain from taking clear positions on issues like sexual assault. They should also be engaged with concrete real-life problems and not just with abstract talk about the future revolution. These are things many currently existing (often very sectarian) communist parties do wrong, focusing only on things most directly related to economics and forgetting about cultural and social issues. Seems like this party actually did a good job, although it would also be good if sexual assault is contextualized by linking its prevalence to capitalism and economical inequality (I don't know to what degree they did this).

but is it leninist?

Neck yourself, imperialist

wtf lol

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No shit, where your country only exists because Burgerland wants it to, your going to become burgerfied.

They used to be, times have changed though.
forward.com/news/129231/falling-far-from-the-family-tree/

Mashallah

But is every "struggle" communist in nature? Like I'm absolutely against sexual assault in schools (who isn't?) Everyone and their IDF veteran grandfather could get behind that message) but there are certain bureaucracies that are meant to prevent that sort of thing from happening - of which the protest has to directly appeal.
I'm not referring to "abstract talk about rebolution", but focusing on struggles which have directly revolutionary potential.

that wasn't always the case

Never said it was good vs bad, retard.

Why didn't you just join the PFLP? Why a settler leftist party?

not op but the PFLP are nothing more than a long forgotten meme in this point even in the PA.


אנון על איזה ארגון אתה מדבר? זה עומדים ביחד?

But, what would they do otherwise? It is clear that political organizations reach into every part of life. In the U.S, Democrats and Republicans will argue about abortion, gun control, health care, etc… and these things surely could be argued to fall outside of a purely economic purview. Yet, these political parties still argue about them.
I suppose you would say a Communist political party is wholly different. It cuts through all of the superficialities to the real economic and material basis of life. Thusly, we should not discuss these other issues as they are superfluous to this basis.
To that, I would say you fundamentally misunderstand several things. Of course, I can not name these things, though, to be fair, I did try. There are too many reasons you could believe what you believe and it quickly became apparent that I was wasting my time.

This shit is why the right is destined to win. The only hope the left has is to purge SJWs from the left and society generally, and non-idpozzed leftists refuse to do so because they would rather lose with virtue than win with dirty hands.

Again, I'm not saying that the left should only focus on "economic issues", rather on issues that are in some ways endemic or perpetuated by the capitalist system so that this issue could be potentially revolutionized. I don't think that every issue is potentially revolutionary. Many issues could (and perhaps should) be resolved within the current mode of production. A Marxist should be clear about this so as not to lead confused political struggles, we need to be clear about what we want to change and base this on class analysis. We should not be confused with liberal and humanist injunctions for "comfort", "equality", "freedom", etc.