I disagree with Chomsky. I totally disagree. It's the time we get the eff out of the Middle East. - Jimmy Dore

Fuck that, there's no reason to support US troops in foreign soil right now.

Lol yeh okay buddy

Name anyone in the Middle East who likes the k*rds Iran hates them Turkey hates them Iraq and Syria hates them arabs hate them, Suunis hate them, Shias hate them. Only Israel and the US likes them and everyone hates them because of this very reason. It's almost as if they are a bunch of shills.

This is the almond activator right here.

Obviously the US must help them secede and destroy those countries in the process

You mean the legitimate government that forced Kurds from their homes to make way for Arab settlers and then imposed strict restrictions on their ability to even speak their language? Assad is a bulwark against imperialism for sure, but let’s not pretend that there Kurds were not an oppressed national minority. It’s also worth pointing out that R0java’s DemCon system is FAR more socialist than Assad’s Syria. Their revolution is worth preserving. Obviously the US leaving is a good thing, but totally dismissing the PYD’s struggle and revolutionary project is peak bullshit. A compromise must be reached that preserves the revolutionary gains made in R0java as well as Syria’s national sovereignty.

All that it requires is that they burn just a pinch of incense - and build One big US military base.

Fuck that.

Wew

Their revolution predates US involvement in Syria’s conflict be three years, it’s not as if it was an artificial Western construction. Why would you oppose a compromise that preserves both the revolution and Syrian sovereignty? There’s literally no good reason why Assad and R0java need to be enemies, and given the circumstances they have more interests in common than in conflict.

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That's all irrelevant. Their revolution might be led by a long lost descendant of Karl Marx who has preserved the one true communism for all I care. If preserving their revolution has become tied up with a permanent US presence, it is no longer worth preserving.

Moot point anyway. The US is on the way out. The Kurds can return to the fold or be destroyed, and no amount of whining from westernoids with delusions of noble savages will change anything about it.

It was never tied up with permenant US presence. The Kurds used the US as meatshields against the Turks and as a source of free bombs to kill ISIS. That’s all it ever was, and their withdrawal is proof that it is temporary.
Except being destroyed also means indefinite Turkish occupation of a quarter of Syria you dipshit. A compromise that preserves the revolution is obviously the superior scenario. Not only will it preserve the democratic and socialist gains made in R0java, it will provide a launching point for PKK operations into Turkey, which could severely weaken NATO. Can you give me a single reason why preserving the revolution is not the best choice now that the US is gone?

What army will preserve your precious revolution then?

The SAA, it’s allies, and the SyDF together can keep the Turks away, but their cooperation doesn’t mean that R0java’s autonomy needs to be destroyed. Likewise, R0java seeks autonomy within Syria, so it’s not incompatible with protecting Syrian national sovereignty. Why would you oppose R0java retaining autonomy within Syria?

Chomsky is such a fucking sell out. His vote Hillary shit was already stomach churning.

Because all of that is up to the Syrian people to decide, not me.

Then why are you whining about America pulling out? If they don't need America's army, then all this does is free them from American influence and is thus a good thing anyway.

They don’t need America IF the Syrians are willing to work with them. They can’t stand against Turkey alone, but if they form a united front then they can win.

Honest question: why do so many people insist Chomsky "shills for Israel" because every time he brings up Israel he's always attacking their apartheid system, treatment of the Palestinians, etc.? Just because he doesn't accept le spoopy merchant meme doesn't mean he's a "Zio".

is amongst the worst takes on this board, such a bad take that we have a sister board for our retarded r0java buddies over at Zig Forums

Then isn't the US leaving a good thing? If they DO manage to form a united front, the anti-US power bloc will grow that much larger in that region.

That black cats cunt has been banished to that board multiple times but refuses to stay. All he does is subtly shill for US imperialism 24/7. It really is pathetic.

The US leaving is a good thing if the SAA and SyDF come to an agreement. Otherwise the Turks will swoop in and occupy a huge swath of Syria. Anybody insisting that the SyDF should submit completely to the SAA is being retarded. It probably doesn’t make much difference to the Kurds whether they are crushed by Syria or by Turkey, so they won’t agree to a complete capitulation to Damascus. That leaves the united front as the only solution.

Fuck off. I’m literally cheering US withdrawal and urging an anti imperialist united front between the SAA and SyDF.

Here's what their agreement's gonna be:
Northeast Syria is Syria, not Roj*va. Period. Y*PG is going to dissolve and join the Syrian army if they want to live.

You are kind of late. They've already changed the name 2 years ago.

Why are you opposed to the survival of the revolution? Give me a single good reason. The Kurds won’t except such a deal, which means that they will lose to the Turks. Your options are a united front and the survival of the revolution, or an indefinite NATO occupation. Which would you prefer?

Total independence is not realistic. Why not pursue something like the Iraqi Kurds?

anarchiddies btfo'd

say it with me:
C O M R A D E D O R E

Literally Muh Joos tier

Is he a socialist yet?

They aren’t pursuing total independence. They’ve been advocating for autonomy WITHIN Syria for years now.

he's literally always been a Marxist in Dem clothing, that's his whole shtick

Nah he’s just a socdem, but an old school one with great anti-imperialist principles. Socdems of his kind are critical allies at the current moment imo.

Because it was completely fake and opportunist to begin with. It is literally a counterrevolution. You are delusional if you think Kurds in Syria would rather have a last stand against Turkey rather than reconciliation and recognition of the legitimate Syrian government.

they accepted the American military bases so I imagine they can’t be all that bright.

Bullshit. In a video where he criticizes the police he compares them negatively to North Korea and Maoist China. He's succdem at best.

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Not saying keeping a U.S. presence would help the Kurds in the long run, but most of those groups are reactionary, as well.
Why should we care what they think?

Ron Placone supports cooperativism/market socialism.

youtube.com/watch?v=QpTgmVk4ztA

Counterrevolution against what? Syria wasn’t a socialist state before the war. On be contrary Assad was taking them farther to the right, privatizing shit all over the place and gutting the welfare state his father built. He also wasn’t even that much of an anti imperialist, since his father participated in Desert Storm and he himself tortured people on behalf of the CIA. Meanwhile the Kurds were seizing the means of production, liberating women, engaging in radical democratization of society, and creating a multi ethnic enclave in a state long dominated by Arabs. They were doing this all while fighting ISIS and Al Queda. Before the US intervention the support for them here was unanimous, because from a socialist perspective they were obviously the only force in the region aiming at some kind of social revolution. The split happened because they started working with the US, which if you knew anything about anything you’d was a relationship that basically developed by accident. During the battle of Kobane, (in which the Kurds were literally facing possible annihilation from ISIS) the US started bombing Daesh positions in the area. They then started coordinating with the Kurds to give them air support and things evolved from there to the current point. Only a retard would say not to free bombs in a situation like that.
Holy shit do you know the first thing about what’s going on here? The Kurds have been calling for reconciliation with Syria for years, which is why they are asking for autonomy within Syria and not independence. My only point is that reconciliation doesn’t mean that the R0java revolution has to be crushed, they can maintain their gains within an autonomous region inside Syria’s current borders. What I want to know is why you would be against such an arrangement. Give me an actual reason, because vague platitudes about them being “counterrevolutionary” despite Syria not being a revolutionary society aren’t going to cut it.

RON IS TITOIST GANG

I don't like Kurdish politics either, but your rhetoric is getting into reactionary territory there buddy, watch out for that.
t. Kürd who supports Assad

They're a bunch of militant faggots trained, equipped, armed, supplied and financed by U.S. and other Western capitalist countries as a U.S. capitalist asset, taking over and using up infrastructure and stocks built and produced by capitalist countries and barely surviving selling oil produced with existing capitalist infrastructure to capitalist countries and importing basic goods only produced by capitalist countries and their Constitution is modeled after the US Constitution which is Capitalist in nature.

Also the Western kids that have joined them later literally fought alongside Ukrainian and Georgian Fascists killing Communists in Donbass because PUTIN IS EVUL>>2764959

Literally none of that is true. Before 2014 they had no connections to western powers, and now that the US has pulled out they aren’t being backed in any significant capacity.
All applies to the Syrian government.
No it isn’t. It’s based on localized direct democracy.
Proofs billy?

Erdogan got the go ahead from Trump. If the Kurds want to reconcile they have at most 2 weeks to come to an understanding with Assad before Turkey rolls in, depending on army readiness.

I have read a message from a Turk conscript who said their offensive is postponed until after new years. That's not a whole lot of time left.

Yeah, the date is murky, but it will be soon. The MoD does not want the Kurds to know the date so they did not inform the public.

Dont despair my fellow anarchists Saudi Arabia wont let the revolution die! They are the hero we deserve!

middleeastmonitor.com/20181122-saudi-arabia-uae-send-troops-to-support-kurds-in-syria/

Lmao

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How can Jimmy Dore be so right about everything?

I want to like jimmy dore but his voice is the worst thing I've heard in my life

He’s less annoying than any Democrat I’ve heard in a looong time.

It's really nasally and abrasive. He has a terrible laugh too.

I don't throw the "dual-loyalty" card around lightly. Noam Blum, AKA Neontaster served in the IDF as a translator, and later at MEMRI (Mosad). He is a Podhoretz, Norman's grandson. He works for Hudson institute, FFS. His anonymous warmongering is gross and people should know

rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/untold-story-syria-antifa-platoon-666159/

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Kurds are drug mules for the CIA and don't really deserve the praise they receive in the West.

So just two western anarkiddies being retards of their own accord is all it takes discredit the entire movement? Are you actually stupid enough to think this or are you just a Turkroach bot?

Who gives a shit, how does that mean the US was in Syria because of the Kurds and not regime change in Syria specifically to get rid of the Assad regime? You fucking degenerate tunnel vision fuck