Censorship

Censorship post revolution/achieving socialist state. I personally am against it, but what are your opinions? Of course, to a certain level there must be censorship (i.e. gov docs) but generally I think that it should be kept at minimum.

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There is no definite answer, it depends on far too many factors. Censorship is a means and not an end. If we're going to have a hermit state like the DPRK with little to no outside support, heavy censorship appears a necessity. If revolution happens in many places at once and there will be a robust socialist alliance capable of countering capitalist propaganda without relying on heavy censorship, there will be less need for it. I'm of the opinion that education and counter-propaganda are more important.

This. There’s also the real danger that censorship of reactionary forces can turn into censorship of dissenting (but still revolutionary and socialist) political lines and legitimate criticism.

That was my original worry

this. the solution to reactionary forces are counterintelligence and books, not censorship

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Of course censorship is necessary. Every state does it. Reactionaries, fascists, racists, religious fundamentalists, etc should not be given a platform to agitate against socialism

The socialist state should be able to liquidate reactionaries at will and prevent reaction from spreading by whatever means necessary.

You are retarded

The problem with censorship is a strategic one. Censoring our enemies sends them underground. This makes it more difficult for us to know what they're up to and counter them in public discourse. Keep it up and we become dependent on censorship to keep them down, and that's a very dangerous position to be in.

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censorship for quality control is essential.


i post on 8ch because i'm too lazy to register for websites. this whole "imageboards are about free speech!!!" thing is tedious nonsense.
everyone forgets the catch to the /b/'s rules being ZOMG NONE!!!11 : This applies to moderators as well.

I agree, but for that you should wait till the society get education enough to be critictic with reactionary propaganda, and the capitalism has made a ignorance society currently,

that's not a problem for non-Euroskeptic countries though. it's completely backwards imho.

Just lke violence censorship can be used for good in the right hands

The north korean reaction to the kpop video has convinced me censorship is bad. If you have to censor something you are already losing, instead you need to not have to worry if something is seen by people because they have been correctly taught.

There was a point in history where humanity could have easily transitioned into a communist society, but instead we went in the wrong direction.

Nearly everything should be censored. Like braces to correct scoliosis, the party must act as a brace to reshape humanity into what it was always meant to become.

Rewrite history in its entirety. Don't be a liberal about it, nothing of value will be lost. Throw the reactionary trash where it belongs.

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Freedom is always and exclusively the freedom of the dissenting voice. You can't be socialist and support censorship.

I don't have a problem with it.

Unless socialism is in power. Then it's totally consistent.

Some censorship is necessary especially during the revolution, but I'm completely against this stupid idea that we need to "reshape" humanity by protecting peoples eyes from politically/philosophically unpleasent things. It's incredibly short sighted. In USSR and other ex-socialist countries civil liberty and anti-censorship was one of Bourgeois Democracy's biggest selling points, basically "socialism but you won't be treated as a naughty child" sort of shit. The pro ultra-censorship stance never ceasea to amaze me, how low opinion these people have of the people they claim to fight for.

Censorship and restriction of "Freedoms" in socialist states is almost universally linked to the quality of life of the population
Socialist states that fail to improve quality of life and stagnate often have to employ restrictive measures as the population will quickly lose faith in socialism once they have seen the higher Quality of life of nearby capitalist countries
Thus why Nations like Ceausescu's Romania Hoxha's Albania and the DPR-Korea must employ such Harsh measures while states that succeed at consistently improving the quality of life of the proletariat like Kadar's Hungary Cuba and China have allowed more open discussion and less censorship

I think that's one of the best arguments against censorship I've heard.

It is difficult for me to imagine what 'freedom' is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not in fear of losing his job, his home, and his bread. Only in such a society, personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.

Liberal.


The analogy to the pre-internet age is a false one. Censorship en-masse is not required because viewpoints are in themselves dangerous, but because they increase the signal-to-noise ratio to a dangerous degree. The marketplace of ideas was always a ridiculous concept, but in the short-attention-span internet age an anti-censorship position can only be a boon to reaction.
Now of course, that isn't to immediately argue that one must empower tech corporations to be the arbiters of good taste. What is being defended here is the principle of censorship, and not any practical route to implementation.

It involves no degree of low opinion to imagine that people under late capitalism are busy, time constrained, and so resort to using heuristics that will lead to reactionary propaganda over digging with a fucking spoon to find leftist material that isn't utterly impenetrable.

In socialism we won't be living under late-stage capitalism, we'll be living under socialism.

Let people post Nazishit on the internet or in public, then take them out back after their display and put a bullet in their head.

Read Cockshott. Direct democracy and therefore open discussion is an economic necessity

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